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Great Moments in Socialism
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Byker
2015-09-18 20:29:55 UTC
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Socialism is an economic failure. International socialism didn’t work in the
Soviet Union. National socialism didn’t work in Germany. And democratic
socialism, while avoiding the horrors of its communist and Nazi cousins,
also has been a flop.

Socialism fails because it attempts to replace market-determined prices
http://tinyurl.com/nbozrx2

with various forms of central planning based on government-dictated prices:
http://tinyurl.com/ofjaqjo

Moreover, socialism channels self-interest in a destructive direction. In a
free market, people get income and improve their lot in life by satisfying
and fulfilling the needs of other people. In a socialist system, by
contrast, people squabble over the re-slicing of a shrinking pie.

There’s a famous Winston Churchill quote that basically says that the
ostensible problem with capitalism is that people aren’t equally rich,
whereas the supposed attractiveness of socialism is that people get to be
equally poor: http://tinyurl.com/otoy33l

A visual version of Churchill’s quote, and it’s definitely worth sharing:
http://tinyurl.com/qgvu42s

Both the Churchill quote and the image are very entertaining. And they
effectively make the point that statism is very bad for ordinary people.

That being said, they’re not actually accurate.

Sure, the masses are equally impoverished by socialist systems, but a
handful of people escape this fate. You probably won’t be surprised to learn
that the government elites have very comfortable lives. And that may be the
understatement of the century, as indicated by this report in the U.K.-based
Daily Mail. Here are some very relevant passages.

“The daughter of Hugo Chavez, the former president who once declared ‘being
rich is bad,’ may be the wealthiest woman in Venezuela, according to
evidence reportedly in the hands of Venezuelan media outlets. Maria Gabriela
Chavez, 35 … holds assets in American and Andorran banks totaling almost
$4.2 billion. … Others close to Chavez managed to build up great personal
wealth that was kept outside the petrostate. Alejandro Andrade, who served
as Venezuela’s treasury minister from 2007 to 2010 and was reportedly a
close associate of Chavez, was discovered to have $11.2 billion in his
name … During his lifetime, Hugo Chavez denounced wealthy individuals, once
railing against the rich for being ‘lazy.’ ‘The rich don’t work, they’re
lazy,’ he railed in a speech in 2010. ‘Every day they go drinking whiskey –
almost every day – and drugs, cocaine, they travel.’”
http://tinyurl.com/phrdw2t

What a bunch of hypocrites. They denounce successful people who presumably
earn money honestly, yet they amass huge fortunes by pilfering their nation.

And what’s been happening in Venezuela is no different, I’m sure, than what
happened in the past in Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and other socialist
regimes.

And I’m sure it’s still happening today in other socialist hell holes such
as North Korea and Cuba: http://tinyurl.com/nf2m632

The elite enjoy undeserved and unearned wealth while ordinary people live
wretched lives of deprivation: http://tinyurl.com/ptd8yo5

Everyone’s equal, but some are more equal than others.

Some wise words about the impact of socialism on ordinary people from Kevin
Williamson of National Review.

“The United Socialist party’s disastrous economic policies have led to acute
shortages of everything: rice, beans, flour, oil, eggs, soap, even toilet
paper. Venezuela is full of state-run stores that are there to provide the
poor with life’s necessities at subsidized prices, but the shelves are
empty. … While Venezuela has endured food riots for years, the capital
recently has been the scene of protests related to medical care. Venezuela
has free universal health care — and a constitutional guarantee of access to
it. That means exactly nothing in a country without enough doctors,
medicine, or facilities. Chemotherapy is available in only three cities,
with patients often traveling hours from the hinterlands to receive
treatment. But the treatment has stopped.”: http://tinyurl.com/psdu2mp

Now ask yourself whether you think the party bosses are suffering like other
citizens http://tinyurl.com/o7ldfyo

because of a lack of food and health care (or toilet paper!):
http://tinyurl.com/nsxvhnf

And that giant gap between the treatment of the elite vs. the peasantry
tells you everything you need to know about socialism, whether it’s the
brutal kind practiced in places such as Venezuela or the kinder, gentler
(but equally hypocritical) versions found elsewhere:
http://tinyurl.com/peghb8e

http://tinyurl.com/pe44rvx
Siri Cruz
2015-09-18 22:30:06 UTC
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Post by Byker
Socialism fails because it attempts to replace market-determined prices
Market determined prices can also fail. That's why some countries have a special
legal scheme of wartime economies with government rationning and some central
planning, and some countries have anti-hoarding law.

It appears that in the real world governments use a variety economic schemes,
shifting as needs dictate. After all socialism, capitalism, free market, central
planning, and all that are just means to an end. The end is to provide enough of
the material needs of the people that they don't overthrow the government.
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Beam Me Up Scotty
2015-09-18 23:13:31 UTC
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Post by Byker
Socialism fails because it attempts to replace market-determined prices
Market determined prices can also fail. That's why some countries have a special
legal scheme of wartime economies with government rationning and some central
planning, and some countries have anti-hoarding law.
Doesn't NORTH KOREA that has strict economic laws end up with starving
people every so often? Socialism and central run economies are NO utopia.
Post by Siri Cruz
It appears that in the real world governments use a variety economic schemes,
shifting as needs dictate. After all socialism, capitalism, free market, central
planning, and all that are just means to an end. The end is to provide enough of
the material needs of the people that they don't overthrow the government.
NOT really true since they use the money from the starving people to pay
an army to point guns at the people. And so in lies the fault with a
central planned economy and government. Push comes to shove and
they'll kill their own citizens and anyone that sees them kill their own
citizens.
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Byker
2015-09-18 23:52:50 UTC
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NOT really true since they use the money from the starving people to pay
an army to point guns at the people. And so in lies the fault with a
central planned economy and government. Push comes to shove and they'll
kill their own citizens and anyone that sees them kill their own citizens.
Some historians have estimated that as many as 200 million people may have
died as part of the dream of creating a collectivist “Paradise on Earth.”
Making a better “new world” was taken to mean the extermination, the
liquidation, the mass murder of all those that the socialist revolutionary
leaders declared to be “class enemies,” including the families, the children
of “enemies of the people.”

As the Soviet mathematician and dissident, Igor Shafarevich, who spent many
years in the Gulag slave labor camps for his opposition to the communist
regime, said in his book, The Socialist Phenomenon (1980):

“Most socialist doctrines and movements are literally saturated with the
mood of death, catastrophe, and destruction . . . One could regard the death
of mankind as the final result to which the development of socialism leads.”

That twentieth century socialism would lead to nothing but this outcome was
understood at the time of the Bolshevik victory in Russia. It was clearly
expressed by the greatest intellectual opponent of socialism during the last
one hundred years, the Austrian economist, Ludwig von Mises.

Near the end of his famous 1922 treatise, Socialism: An Economic and
Sociological Analysis, Mises warned that:

“Socialism is not in the least what is pretends to be. It is not the pioneer
of a better and finer world, but the spoiler of what thousands of years of
civilization have created. It does not build, it destroys. For destruction
is the essence of it. It produces nothing, it only consumes what the social
order based on private ownership in the means of production has created . .
. Each step leading towards Socialism must exhaust itself in the destruction
of what already exists.”

When voices are raised today calling for socialism in America, including by
those attempting to win a major party candidacy to run for the presidency of
the United States, it is important – no, it is crucial – that the history
and reality of socialism-in-practice in those parts of the world in which it
was most thoroughly imposed and implemented be remembered and fully
understood. If we do not, well, history has its own ways of repeating
itself.

http://tinyurl.com/pbwdp6p
Siri Cruz
2015-09-19 00:01:24 UTC
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Post by Byker
Some historians have estimated that as many as 200 million people may have
died as part of the dream of creating a collectivist ³Paradise on Earth.²
Making a better ³new world² was taken to mean the extermination, the
How many Americans did the WPB kill?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Production_Board
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Governor Swill
2015-09-19 01:55:40 UTC
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:13:31 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Byker
Socialism fails because it attempts to replace market-determined prices
Market determined prices can also fail. That's why some countries have a special
legal scheme of wartime economies with government rationning and some central
planning, and some countries have anti-hoarding law.
Doesn't NORTH KOREA that has strict economic laws end up with starving
people every so often? Socialism and central run economies are NO utopia.
The problem in NK is an old one: totalitarianism. A strong elite
class runs the country and takes it's production for itself without
regard for the needs of the People. This is the reason so many
liberals are worried about the growing wealth gap in the US. The top
and bottom grow even further apart while the middle get stretched.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Siri Cruz
It appears that in the real world governments use a variety economic schemes,
shifting as needs dictate. After all socialism, capitalism, free market, central
planning, and all that are just means to an end. The end is to provide enough of
the material needs of the people that they don't overthrow the government.
NOT really true since they use the money from the starving people to pay
an army to point guns at the people. And so in lies the fault with a
central planned economy and government. Push comes to shove and
they'll kill their own citizens and anyone that sees them kill their own
citizens.
Missed the point again, did you? Govt does what govt finds is needful
for the survival of the govt. This has always been and will always
be, true. The difference between, for example, NK and the US is that
historically, the govt has found its strength in the people while NK
finds strength in spite of them.

Swill
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Beam Me Up Scotty
2015-09-19 16:51:17 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:13:31 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Byker
Socialism fails because it attempts to replace market-determined prices
Market determined prices can also fail. That's why some countries have a special
legal scheme of wartime economies with government rationning and some central
planning, and some countries have anti-hoarding law.
Doesn't NORTH KOREA that has strict economic laws end up with starving
people every so often? Socialism and central run economies are NO utopia.
The problem in NK is an old one: totalitarianism.
And that totalitarianism is needed to have a centrally run Socialist
economy. The problem being that once you give away enough freedom to
allow socialism a chance, the totalitarians have an easy time taking
away the last few freedoms you have. Socialism is like one big central
hub, the owner has control and Capitalism and a free economy is like the
Internet with millions of hums that are all sizes depending on their
need. NO one central control can take it all over and they won't try
because it's impossible.

Which means that the fools and the totalitarians both want to impose
Socialism little by little until they get to a point that the
totalitarians will start taking over.

The genius in America was the divided government with checks and
balances and the free markets... as there are fewer and fewer divisions
in government and the checks and balance are ignored and the free
markets disappear, we get closer to totalitarianism being the reality.
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Governor Swill
2015-09-19 21:36:15 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Byker
Socialism fails because it attempts to replace market-determined prices
Market determined prices can also fail. That's why some countries have a special
legal scheme of wartime economies with government rationning and some central
planning, and some countries have anti-hoarding law.
Doesn't NORTH KOREA that has strict economic laws end up with starving
people every so often? Socialism and central run economies are NO utopia.
The problem in NK is an old one: totalitarianism.
And that totalitarianism is needed to have a centrally run Socialist
economy. The problem being that once you give away enough freedom to
allow socialism a chance, the totalitarians have an easy time taking
away the last few freedoms you have. Socialism is like one big central
hub, the owner has control and Capitalism and a free economy is like the
Internet with millions of hums that are all sizes depending on their
need. NO one central control can take it all over and they won't try
because it's impossible.
Do you practice at ignorance or does it come naturally? Because most
of Scandinavia is socialist and is also democratic. Yeah, they have
national legislatures and an executive and an independent judiciary
just like we do and for them, it's worked very nicely.

Otoh, Germany and Italy were both totalitarian and capitalist in the
thirties and forties.

The problem, in other words, is more the form of govt than the form
the economy takes. Any economic system, well managed to secure the
People's prosperity and happiness is effective if the govt under which
it exists is also effective and has as its goal, the security,
prosperity and happiness of the People.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Which means that the fools and the totalitarians both want to impose
Socialism little by little until they get to a point that the
totalitarians will start taking over.
Scotty, you don't know the difference between politics and economics.
You've been fed so much bull for so long and never bothered to check
up on it that now, you don't know anything real at all.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
The genius in America was the divided government with checks and
balances and the free markets... as there are fewer and fewer divisions
in government and the checks and balance are ignored and the free
markets disappear, we get closer to totalitarianism being the reality.
And this same genius is employed in countries around the world using
various systems. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

For me, I find a free enterprise system, operating with capital
markets and regulated by a responsible, elected govt, to be the system
that seems to work best.

As for the rest of your ranting today, I am SOOOOOO glad you're not
the king!

Swill
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What Republicans are really scared of is that the economy
*won't stop* getting better.
Beam Me Up Scotty
2015-09-19 22:26:42 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
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Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Byker
Socialism fails because it attempts to replace market-determined prices
Market determined prices can also fail. That's why some countries have a special
legal scheme of wartime economies with government rationning and some central
planning, and some countries have anti-hoarding law.
Doesn't NORTH KOREA that has strict economic laws end up with starving
people every so often? Socialism and central run economies are NO utopia.
The problem in NK is an old one: totalitarianism.
And that totalitarianism is needed to have a centrally run Socialist
economy. The problem being that once you give away enough freedom to
allow socialism a chance, the totalitarians have an easy time taking
away the last few freedoms you have. Socialism is like one big central
hub, the owner has control and Capitalism and a free economy is like the
Internet with millions of hums that are all sizes depending on their
need. NO one central control can take it all over and they won't try
because it's impossible.
Because most
of Scandinavia is socialist and is also democratic. Yeah, they have
national legislatures and an executive and an independent judiciary
just like we do and for them, it's worked very nicely.
if so then why are they tiny bankrupt Nations? Some have had currency
collapse several times in the last 50 years.
Post by Governor Swill
Otoh, Germany and Italy were both totalitarian and capitalist in the
thirties and forties.
In which the leaders killed anyone that didn't do business as they told
them to do it. What was that Volks Wagon thing Hitler supported.

And then there was Crystal Nacht where the totalitarian destroyed the
Jewish businesses

From where I sit that's NOT capitalism. Hitler said he was a Socialist.

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic

system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair

salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to

wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we

are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

--Adolf Hitler-- (Speech of May 1, 1927

DIDN'T HITLER create a National health care system?
Post by Governor Swill
The problem, in other words, is more the form of govt than the form
the economy takes. Any economic system, well managed to secure the
People's prosperity and happiness is effective if the govt under which
it exists is also effective and has as its goal, the security,
prosperity and happiness of the People.
NOT true, some economic systems require more centralized power and
steals more freedoms from the people.

How's that Cuban or Venezuelan economy doing today?
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Which means that the fools and the totalitarians both want to impose
Socialism little by little until they get to a point that the
totalitarians will start taking over.
Scotty, you don't know the difference between politics and economics.
Liberals can't find the dividing line, which is why they think the
government should set pay scale and tax 90% from people that worked for
the money. If the Liberals knew the difference they wouldn't think that
other peoples money is public property.
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
The genius in America was the divided government with checks and
balances and the free markets... as there are fewer and fewer divisions
in government and the checks and balance are ignored and the free
markets disappear, we get closer to totalitarianism being the reality.
Liberalism is the problem Socialism is a symptom of the Liberals
unsustainable political ideology.
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Siri Cruz
2015-09-19 22:32:05 UTC
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In article <8ilLx.6681$***@fx05.iad>,
Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
And then there was Crystal Nacht where the totalitarian destroyed the
Jewish businesses
Many times whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous. Where does that fit on you
scales of socialism?
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Mattb.
2015-09-19 22:46:01 UTC
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Beam Me Up Scotty
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And then there was Crystal Nacht where the totalitarian destroyed the
Jewish businesses
Many times whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous. Where does that fit on you
scales of socialism?
You mean like Ferguson, Baltimore and LA.?
Governor Swill
2015-09-20 01:32:50 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Beam Me Up Scotty
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And then there was Crystal Nacht where the totalitarian destroyed the
Jewish businesses
Many times whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous. Where does that fit on you
scales of socialism?
You mean like Ferguson, Baltimore and LA.?
You deny the Klan ever existed or that it ever did the things it was
reputed to? Do you also deny the Holocaust ever happened?

She may have been referring to reports such as these.
<http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/12/04/8-successful-aspiring-black-communities-destroyed-white-neighbors/>

Swill
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What Republicans are really scared of is that the economy
*won't stop* getting better.
Mattb.
2015-09-20 02:23:13 UTC
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On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 21:32:50 -0400, Governor Swill
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Mattb.
Post by Governor Swill
Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
And then there was Crystal Nacht where the totalitarian destroyed the
Jewish businesses
Many times whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous. Where does that fit on you
scales of socialism?
You mean like Ferguson, Baltimore and LA.?
You deny the Klan ever existed or that it ever did the things it was
reputed to? Do you also deny the Holocaust ever happened?
Yes the Klan was/is a bunch of assholes, and yes the Holocaust
happened. Now what has that to do with what I posted?
Post by Governor Swill
She may have been referring to reports such as these.
<http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/12/04/8-successful-aspiring-black-communities-destroyed-white-neighbors/>
Swill
Governor Swill
2015-09-20 21:29:09 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
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Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
And then there was Crystal Nacht where the totalitarian destroyed the
Jewish businesses
Many times whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous. Where does that fit on you
scales of socialism?
You mean like Ferguson, Baltimore and LA.?
You deny the Klan ever existed or that it ever did the things it was
reputed to? Do you also deny the Holocaust ever happened?
Yes the Klan was/is a bunch of assholes,
And murderers. You forgot "murderers".
Post by Mattb.
and yes the Holocaust
happened. Now what has that to do with what I posted?
Considering you sidestepped what she posted and attempted a
deflection, quite a bit.

She responded to Scotty attempting to equate violence with socialist
governments, specifically by citing the Nazis and Kristalnacht.

Her response pointed out that violence against groups can be
perpetrated by other groups in the presence of republican govts.

Your cites, irrelevant to her point, made me wonder if perhaps you
naively didn't believe white Americans had ever perpetrated violence
on black Americans.
Post by Mattb.
Post by Governor Swill
She may have been referring to reports such as these.
<http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/12/04/8-successful-aspiring-black-communities-destroyed-white-neighbors/>
Swill
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What Republicans are really scared of is that the economy
*won't stop* getting better.
Mattb.
2015-09-20 22:28:15 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Mattb.
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Mattb.
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
And then there was Crystal Nacht where the totalitarian destroyed the
Jewish businesses
Many times whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous. Where does that fit on you
scales of socialism?
You mean like Ferguson, Baltimore and LA.?
You deny the Klan ever existed or that it ever did the things it was
reputed to? Do you also deny the Holocaust ever happened?
Yes the Klan was/is a bunch of assholes,
And murderers. You forgot "murderers".
Post by Mattb.
and yes the Holocaust
happened. Now what has that to do with what I posted?
Considering you sidestepped what she posted and attempted a
deflection, quite a bit.
She responded to Scotty attempting to equate violence with socialist
governments, specifically by citing the Nazis and Kristalnacht.
Her response pointed out that violence against groups can be
perpetrated by other groups in the presence of republican govts.
Your cites, irrelevant to her point, made me wonder if perhaps you
naively didn't believe white Americans had ever perpetrated violence
on black Americans.
"whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous."

The cities of "Ferguson, Baltimore and LA" show it isn't a race thing
but a envy thing. Someone has something you don't so go after it.

Blacks every bit as racist as whites at times and envy those that work
hard for what they have. Socialist so many times think they can sit
on there ass and take from those that actually work and no it isn't a
racist thing. A freeloader thing.
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Post by Mattb.
Post by Governor Swill
She may have been referring to reports such as these.
<http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/12/04/8-successful-aspiring-black-communities-destroyed-white-neighbors/>
Swill
Siri Cruz
2015-09-20 23:46:21 UTC
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"whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous."
The cities of "Ferguson, Baltimore and LA" show it isn't a race thing
but a envy thing. Someone has something you don't so go after it.
Yes. When crackers decided Negros had too much money for their own good, they
would rampage to Negro town across the railroad tracks to loot and destroy.
Thanks to failing crackers being jealous of their betters.

So if the one time Kristallnacht says something about socialism, what do
multiple lynchings and rampages say about it? Don't bruise your brain on this
one.
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Mattb.
2015-09-21 00:05:59 UTC
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Post by Mattb.
"whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous."
The cities of "Ferguson, Baltimore and LA" show it isn't a race thing
but a envy thing. Someone has something you don't so go after it.
Yes. When crackers decided Negros had too much money for their own good, they
would rampage to Negro town across the railroad tracks to loot and destroy.
Thanks to failing crackers being jealous of their betters.
" crackers"? That is like saying nigger. You see Cracker is every
bit as racist as nigger.


So lets change you paragraph

"Yes. When blacks decided blacks had too much money for their own
good, they would rampage to black towns of Ferguson, Baltimore and LA
across the railroad tracks to loot and destroy. Thanks to failing
blacks being jealous of their betters. "
Post by Siri Cruz
So if the one time Kristallnacht says something about socialism, what do
multiple lynchings and rampages say about it? Don't bruise your brain on this
one.
Beam Me Up Scotty
2015-09-21 00:37:56 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Mattb.
"whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous."
The cities of "Ferguson, Baltimore and LA" show it isn't a race thing
but a envy thing. Someone has something you don't so go after it.
Yes. When crackers decided Negros had too much money for their own good, they
would rampage to Negro town across the railroad tracks to loot and destroy.
Thanks to failing crackers being jealous of their betters.
" crackers"? That is like saying nigger. You see Cracker is every
bit as racist as nigger.
So lets change you paragraph
"Yes. When blacks decided blacks had too much money for their own
good, they would rampage to black towns of Ferguson, Baltimore and LA
across the railroad tracks to loot and destroy. Thanks to failing
blacks being jealous of their betters. "
Post by Siri Cruz
So if the one time Kristallnacht says something about socialism, what do
multiple lynchings and rampages say about it? Don't bruise your brain on this
one.
Look at "the night of the long knives" and you see a pattern. Hitler
was getting rid of shop owners and industry heads and rivals. Hitler was
"TAKING OVER THE ECONOMY" and running it as he and his Socialist pals
wanted it run, like a military machine.

They knew they had to do what Hitler wanted... or Hitler would punish
his enemies, sound Familiar?



Obama to Latinos "Punish Our Enemies" (American citizens)

Which begs the question of what does Obama say to his other Marxist friends?
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Governor Swill
2015-09-22 03:39:39 UTC
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Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
And then there was Crystal Nacht where the totalitarian destroyed the
Jewish businesses
Many times whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous. Where does that fit on you
scales of socialism?
You mean like Ferguson, Baltimore and LA.?
You deny the Klan ever existed or that it ever did the things it was
reputed to? Do you also deny the Holocaust ever happened?
Yes the Klan was/is a bunch of assholes,
And murderers. You forgot "murderers".
Post by Mattb.
and yes the Holocaust
happened. Now what has that to do with what I posted?
Considering you sidestepped what she posted and attempted a
deflection, quite a bit.
She responded to Scotty attempting to equate violence with socialist
governments, specifically by citing the Nazis and Kristalnacht.
Her response pointed out that violence against groups can be
perpetrated by other groups in the presence of republican govts.
Your cites, irrelevant to her point, made me wonder if perhaps you
naively didn't believe white Americans had ever perpetrated violence
on black Americans.
"whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous."
The cities of "Ferguson, Baltimore and LA" show it isn't a race thing
but a envy thing. Someone has something you don't so go after it.
Again, Ferguson and Baltimore are irrelevant to this particular
discussion.
Post by Mattb.
Blacks every bit as racist as whites at times and envy those that work
hard for what they have. Socialist so many times think they can sit
on there ass and take from those that actually work and no it isn't a
racist thing. A freeloader thing.
The discussion was about socialist vs democratic govts and their
relative propensity for violence.

Among modern democratic states, the US is among the most democratic
and clearly the most violent.
Post by Mattb.
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Mattb.
Post by Governor Swill
She may have been referring to reports such as these.
<http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/12/04/8-successful-aspiring-black-communities-destroyed-white-neighbors/>
Swill
--
What Republicans are really scared of is that the economy
*won't stop* getting better.
Beam Me Up Scotty
2015-09-21 00:15:25 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Mattb.
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Mattb.
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
And then there was Crystal Nacht where the totalitarian destroyed the
Jewish businesses
Many times whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous. Where does that fit on you
scales of socialism?
You mean like Ferguson, Baltimore and LA.?
You deny the Klan ever existed or that it ever did the things it was
reputed to? Do you also deny the Holocaust ever happened?
Yes the Klan was/is a bunch of assholes,
And murderers. You forgot "murderers".
Post by Mattb.
and yes the Holocaust
happened. Now what has that to do with what I posted?
Considering you sidestepped what she posted and attempted a
deflection, quite a bit.
She responded to Scotty attempting to equate violence with socialist
governments, specifically by citing the Nazis and Kristalnacht.
Her response pointed out that violence against groups can be
perpetrated by other groups in the presence of republican govts.
Your cites, irrelevant to her point, made me wonder if perhaps you
naively didn't believe white Americans had ever perpetrated violence
on black Americans.
Post by Mattb.
Post by Governor Swill
She may have been referring to reports such as these.
<http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/12/04/8-successful-aspiring-black-communities-destroyed-white-neighbors/>
There was also the "NIGHT of the LONG KNIVES", where Hitler killed his
rivals and enemies, all in one night...

A bit of a patter emerging there huh?

SO when a Socialist regime wants to control the businesses they kill
their opposition or punish them as Obama put it. And the Socialists
control the production and the distribution all with never actually
owning it. Hitler deemed that Jews weren't good for business under his
brand of Socialism. SO there were NO more Jews allowed in the economy.
Can't get more Totalitarian than that nor more Socialist and centrally
controlling than to kill the producers and distributer that you don't
like. And even set up an entire part of government to eradicate all the
Jews.

It would have been far more humane to have Nationalized it all and
replaced them all with "tow head Germans" and let the Jews become
homeless street beggars.

Hitler just did it with more zeal than most Socialists. Hitler went
after the the people that he didn't want in business and then he also
went that extra mile and exterminated them.

I have to say that Jews still vote for Liberals/Socialists and it always
amazes me that they are that stupid, maybe Darwin was right? Will they
survive as a group if they never learn? Stalin, Hitler and most Leftist
regimes end up treating Jews like something they stepped in.

It's like the Black culture in America, Democrats treat them like shit
and do all kinds of things to them and they still vote for Democrats....
Democrats that kill all the black human lives inside a uterus that they
can. Because it funds their re-election campaigns. They have a war on
poverty that's been failing for 50 years and yet blacks still vote
Democrat. Democrats put blacks in schools where they fail. In Democrat
policies failure is positive thing.

That's why Democrats all like Obama....
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Siri Cruz
2015-09-21 00:28:32 UTC
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In article <RZHLx.14131$***@fx18.iad>,
Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
SO when a Socialist regime wants to control the businesses they kill
their opposition or punish them as Obama put it. And the Socialists
Really? Purges by Obama? Do you have a body count for those. I'd accept an order
of magnitude.
--
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'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
When is a Kenyan not a Kenyan? When he's a Canadian.
That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!
Beam Me Up Scotty
2015-09-21 18:36:18 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
SO when a Socialist regime wants to control the businesses they kill
their opposition or punish them as Obama put it. And the Socialists
Really? Purges by Obama? Do you have a body count for those. I'd accept an order
of magnitude.
Businesses have been collapsing everywhere and Obama selects the
survivors like GM and those that pay into the Liberal re-election
groups, Planned Parenthood sends out a lot of money to support Democrat
re-elections. Liberals are willing to fight for that one, yet we have
ObamaCare that offers all the insurance people need and it covers
everyone So why do we pay twice for women's BIRTH CONTROL once in the
forced ObamaCare insurance and once in a Grant to Planned Parenthood?

What you want is meaningless, since the truth is there to see. Obama has
yet to march people into concentration camps but ObamaCare can and is
used to decide who is worth saving and who isn't, it's end result is the
same. Obama does make it a point to punish his enemies. Mostly by
making it so that no one can survive without the Obama government's
help... then all he has to do is NOT help you.

When you step over a person that's dying and you could have saved them,
did you kill them? The newest version of Socialism/Fascism is to box
people into a corner and let them fail if they don't do what the
Socialists want or if the Socialists decide they don't need you or they
hate your kind. Like Christians....

You can see it in Obama efforts to help, they are always one sided,
never equal. Only those that are Leftist get the help, anything but
Christians get the help, anyone that voted for him gets the help the
rest are stepped over and left to die.

Create the "crisis" then use it.....
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Beam Me Up Scotty
2015-09-21 19:12:50 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
SO when a Socialist regime wants to control the businesses they kill
their opposition or punish them as Obama put it. And the Socialists
Really? Purges by Obama? Do you have a body count for those. I'd accept an order
of magnitude.
Oil pipe line purged
Oil drilling purged
Coal industry purged
coal mining purged

Private health insurance Purged
Private school vouchers purged
Private School loans purged

Military Generals purged
Christian freedoms purged
Immigration laws purged


Hundreds of thousands if NOT millions of Jobs purged.


Fannie/Freddie Nationalized
GM rescued
Goldman Sachs rescued

Obama is selecting who to purge.
What has been purged, all things Obama is against. Isn't that a
coincidence?
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Siri Cruz
2015-09-21 19:26:08 UTC
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In article <3EYLx.35211$***@fx09.iad>,
Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Governor Swill
Beam Me Up Scotty
FCC.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
SO when a Socialist regime wants to control the businesses they kill
their opposition or punish them as Obama put it. And the Socialists
Really? Purges by Obama? Do you have a body count for those. I'd accept an order
of magnitude.
Hundreds of thousands if NOT millions of Jobs purged.
Soviet purges meants tens of millions people _killed_. And you equate that to
Obama. Sheesh.
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'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
When is a Kenyan not a Kenyan? When he's a Canadian.
That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!
Governor Swill
2015-09-23 04:39:21 UTC
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Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
SO when a Socialist regime wants to control the businesses they kill
their opposition or punish them as Obama put it. And the Socialists
Really? Purges by Obama? Do you have a body count for those. I'd accept an order
of magnitude.
Oil pipe line purged
We didn't need it (see next comment) and we still don't. Canada needs
it and if they want it, they can pay to build it and pay rent to
everybody whose land it crosses.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Oil drilling purged
The Obama years have been noted for a rapid expansion of domestic oil
production. The United States, at 12.5M bbls/day is now the world's
largest oil producer.
<http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/economy/worlds-biggest-oil-producers/>

In 2005 we produced 8.2m bbls/day.

In 2009, we imported 10,000 bbls of oil per day. Last year we
imported 5,000 bbls per day.
<http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mttntus2&f=a>
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Coal industry purged
coal mining purged
As well it should be. This is the 21st century, why are we still
using 18th century energy technology?
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Private health insurance Purged
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The insurance companies are vastly richer, a few
poor kids are getting their medication and John Boehner has to pay a
little more tax at the tanning salon. How is that a purge?
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Private school vouchers purged
Really? Got any proof?
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Private School loans purged
Obama has been promoting the expansion of education loans and reducing
the debt load of students.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Military Generals purged
Really? Got a list?
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Christian freedoms purged
No Christian freedoms have been purged unless you count it a "freedom"
to discriminate and punish non Christians for the "crime" of not being
Christian.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Immigration laws purged
Immigration laws haven't been changed, let alone repealed.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Hundreds of thousands if NOT millions of Jobs purged.
Those jobs were purged by the Bush recession. Obama has brought many
of them back. In 2012, Romney promised to have unemployment down to
6% by the time he'd been in office four years.

Three years later, Obama has it down to 5%.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Fannie/Freddie Nationalized
Due to deregulation that allowed the banking industry to collapse much
as it did eighty years ago. After that, heavy banking regulation was
passed. It worked great! Right up until Congress repealed it.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
GM rescued
Thus saving hundreds of thousands of the jobs you falsely claim Obama
"purged".

"If we bail out the car companies, you can kiss the US auto industry
goodbye." - Mitt Romney 2008
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Goldman Sachs rescued
Some of them should have gone to prison.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Obama is selecting who to purge.
What has been purged, all things Obama is against. Isn't that a
coincidence?
It might be if any of it was true.

Swill
--
What Republicans are really scared of is that the economy
*won't stop* getting better.
Governor Swill
2015-09-22 03:42:21 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
SO when a Socialist regime wants to control the businesses they kill
their opposition or punish them as Obama put it. And the Socialists
Really? Purges by Obama? Do you have a body count for those. I'd accept an order
of magnitude.
Why are you asking Scotty for facts? He never has facts. What few
brain cells he has are in his testicles because his head is up his
ass.

Swill
--
What Republicans are really scared of is that the economy
*won't stop* getting better.
Beam Me Up Scotty
2015-09-21 00:32:31 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Mattb.
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Mattb.
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
And then there was Crystal Nacht where the totalitarian destroyed the
Jewish businesses
Many times whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous. Where does that fit on you
scales of socialism?
You mean like Ferguson, Baltimore and LA.?
You deny the Klan ever existed or that it ever did the things it was
reputed to? Do you also deny the Holocaust ever happened?
Yes the Klan was/is a bunch of assholes,
And murderers. You forgot "murderers".
Post by Mattb.
and yes the Holocaust
happened. Now what has that to do with what I posted?
Considering you sidestepped what she posted and attempted a
deflection, quite a bit.
She responded to Scotty attempting to equate violence with socialist
governments, specifically by citing the Nazis and Kristalnacht.
Her response pointed out that violence against groups can be
perpetrated by other groups in the presence of republican govts.
Your cites, irrelevant to her point, made me wonder if perhaps you
naively didn't believe white Americans had ever perpetrated violence
on black Americans.
Post by Mattb.
Post by Governor Swill
She may have been referring to reports such as these.
<http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/12/04/8-successful-aspiring-black-communities-destroyed-white-neighbors/>
There was also the "NIGHT of the LONG KNIVES", where Hitler killed his
rivals and enemies, all in one night...

A bit of a pattern emerging there huh?

So when a Socialist regime wants to control the businesses they kill
their opposition or punish them as Obama put it. And the Socialists
control the production and the distribution all with never actually
owning it. Venezuela did it like this, no one argues that Venezuela
isn't Socialist and they used price controls and then they did
Nationalize the OIL fields. Which they have mismanaged, and Food and
Sugar was Nationalized, but they have food shortages and sugar is made
into alcohol fuel.


Hitler deemed that Jews weren't good for business under his
brand of Socialism. And there were NO more Jews allowed in the economy.
Can't get more Totalitarian than that nor more Socialist or more
discriminatory, or more centrally controlling than to kill the producers
and distributer that you don't like. And even set up an entire part of
government to eradicate all the Jews.

It would have been far more humane to have Nationalized it all and
replaced them all with "tow head Germans" and let the Jews become
homeless street beggars.

Hitler just did it with more zeal than most Socialists. Hitler went
after the the people that he didn't want in business and then he also
went that extra mile and exterminated them so they couldn't own a business.

I have to say that Jews still vote for Liberals/Socialists and it always
amazes me that they're that stupid, maybe Darwin was right? Will they
survive as a group if they never learn? Stalin, Hitler and most Leftist
regimes end up treating Jews like something they stepped in.

It's like the Black culture in America, Democrats treat them like shit
and do all kinds of things to them and they still vote for Democrats....
Democrats that kill the black human lives inside a uterus that they
possibly can. Because it funds their re-election campaigns.

Democrats have a war on poverty that's been failing for 50 years and yet
blacks still vote Democrat. Democrats put blacks in schools where they
fail. Democrat policy failure is a positive thing to the Liberals.

That's why Democrats all like Obama.... he's a failure.
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That's Karma
Topaz
2015-09-22 02:58:14 UTC
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Here are some quotes from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica
after the heading Ku Klux Klan:

"Ku Klux Klan, the name of an American secret association of Southern
whites united for self-protection and to oppose the Reconstruction
measures of the United States Congress"

"The various causes assigned for the origin and development of
this movement were: the absence of stable government in the South for
several years after the Civil War; the corrupt and tyrannical rule of
the alien, renegade and negro, and the belief that it was supported by
the Federal troops which controlled elections and legislative bodies;
the disfranchisement of whites; the spread of ideas of social and
political equality among the negroes; fear of negro insurrections; the
arming of negro militia and the disarming of whites; outrages upon
white women by black men"

"The constitutions and rituals of these secret orders have
declarations of principles, of which the following are characteristic:
to protect and succour the weak and unfortunate, especially the widows
and orphans of Confederate soldiers; to protect members of the white
race in life, honour and property from the encroachments of the
blacks"

"To control the negro the Klan played upon his superstitious
fears by having night patrols, parades and drills of silent horsemen
covered with white sheets, carrying skulls with coals of fire for
eyes"

"the Ku Klux movement went on until it accomplished its object by
giving protection to the whites, reducing the blacks to order,
replacing the whites in control of society and state, expelling the
worst of the carpet-baggers and scalawags, and nullifying those laws
of Congress which had resulted in placing the Southern whites under
the control of a party composed principally of ex-slaves."


www.tomatobubble.com www.ihr.org http://nationalvanguard.org

http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com
Black Lies Matter
2015-09-20 10:21:50 UTC
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On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 21:32:50 -0400, Governor Swill
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Mattb.
Post by Governor Swill
Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
And then there was Crystal Nacht where the totalitarian destroyed the
Jewish businesses
Many times whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous. Where does that fit on you
scales of socialism?
You mean like Ferguson, Baltimore and LA.?
You deny the Klan ever existed or that it ever did the things it was
reputed to?
The Klan was and is evil, not to mention a wholly owned subsidiary of
the DemocRatic Party.
Post by Governor Swill
Do you also deny the Holocaust ever happened?
Is that Godwin entering the room...?
Post by Governor Swill
She may have been referring to reports such as these.
<http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/12/04/8-successful-aspiring-black-communities-destroyed-white-neighbors/>
Again, utter evil, not to mention a century gone.
bookoflife.org
2015-09-20 22:12:27 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Mattb.
Post by Governor Swill
Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
And then there was Crystal Nacht where the totalitarian destroyed the
Jewish businesses
Many times whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous. Where does that fit on you
scales of socialism?
You mean like Ferguson, Baltimore and LA.?
You deny the Klan ever existed or that it ever did the things it was
reputed to? Do you also deny the Holocaust ever happened?
She may have been referring to reports such as these.
<http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/12/04/8-successful-aspiring-black-communities-destroyed-white-neighbors/>
Swill
--
What Republicans are really scared of is that the economy
*won't stop* getting better.
DO U DENY rONALd reagan was an Jew Arab, worked with FBI and hollywood to end KKK and promote Arab migrants? Talked a lot shit about religion which he had no idea of what it was. so fairy tale book .
Black Lies Matter
2015-09-20 10:14:13 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
And then there was Crystal Nacht where the totalitarian destroyed the
Jewish businesses
Many times whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous. Where does that fit on you
scales of socialism?
About the same place as blacks burning down their own neighborhoods
because they want new sneakers.
Beam Me Up Scotty
2015-09-20 17:24:28 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
And then there was Crystal Nacht where the totalitarian destroyed the
Jewish businesses
Many times whites would run amuck to loot and destroy the businesses in Negro
town because the blacks were getting too prosperous. Where does that fit on you
scales of socialism?
That's NOT the government and central planning doing it, blacks burn
down black town all by themselves, today under Liberalism it's just
urban renewal.
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Byker
2015-09-20 21:20:26 UTC
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blacks burn down black town all by themselves, today under Liberalism it's
just urban renewal.
With everyone BUT the spoonbills picking up the tab...
Domitius Corbulo
2015-09-20 21:39:49 UTC
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Post by Byker
blacks burn down black town all by themselves, today under Liberalism
it's just urban renewal.
With everyone BUT the spoonbills picking up the tab...
Robert Reich
I got a call this morning from an old college friend who’s been a
lifelong Republican (for years we’ve kidded one another about our
respective politics), who to...ld me he had decided to leave the GOP.
“It’s become the Party of hatemongers and know-nothings,” he said. “I’m
embarrassed to be one of them.”
I asked him what had tipped him over the edge.
“Everything,” he said. “Their harangues against undocumented immigrants
and promises to round them up and build a wall along the southern
border. Their willingness to accept charges Obama is a Muslim and not
born in America; that vaccines cause autism; that global warming is a hoax.”
“Yeah,” I said. “Pretty awful.”
“But that’s not all,” he said, becoming agitated. “It’s also their
knee-jerk warmongering substituting for foreign policy. Their
intolerance of a woman’s right to choose, and of gays’ and lesbians’
right to marry. Their willful suppression of black votes. Their racism!”
It was as if I’d opened a sluice gate. He went on, almost shouting:
“Their incessant pandering to their wealthy funders by wanting even more
tax cuts for the rich and big corporations, and then lying that the
benefits will “trickle-down.” Their attacks on teachers. Cuts in school
budgets. Eagerness to cut school lunches for poor kids…”
“Whoa,” I stopped him. “I get it. But these aren’t all new. Why did you
stay a Republican all these years?”
He was silent for a moment. “Because I admired Mark Hatfield and Nelson
Rockefeller and Jacob Javits,” he said. “I supported Barry Goldwater and
John McCain. They reflected my values. I kept thinking my Republican
Party would come back. But now I know it’s dead. The Party is now a
sinkhole of ignorance and bigotry.”
“So,” I asked with a smile in my voice, “does this mean you’re coming
over to my side?”
“No,” he said, still deeply serious. “Not yet. For now I’m an Independent.”
“But you’ll vote for a Democrat in the presidential election?”
“Absolutely. The Republicans now running are all “a-- ----s.”
Byker
2015-09-20 21:56:38 UTC
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Post by Domitius Corbulo
The Republicans now running are all “a-- ----s.”
Trump wins essentially by default
Siri Cruz
2015-09-20 23:51:17 UTC
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³But you¹ll vote for a Democrat in the presidential election?²
Democrats keep nominating conservatives like Obama. Go Green.
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'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
When is a Kenyan not a Kenyan? When he's a Canadian.
That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!
Governor Swill
2015-09-20 01:27:19 UTC
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Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Byker
Socialism fails because it attempts to replace market-determined prices
Market determined prices can also fail. That's why some countries have a special
legal scheme of wartime economies with government rationning and some central
planning, and some countries have anti-hoarding law.
Doesn't NORTH KOREA that has strict economic laws end up with starving
people every so often? Socialism and central run economies are NO utopia.
The problem in NK is an old one: totalitarianism.
And that totalitarianism is needed to have a centrally run Socialist
economy. The problem being that once you give away enough freedom to
allow socialism a chance, the totalitarians have an easy time taking
away the last few freedoms you have. Socialism is like one big central
hub, the owner has control and Capitalism and a free economy is like the
Internet with millions of hums that are all sizes depending on their
need. NO one central control can take it all over and they won't try
because it's impossible.
Because most
of Scandinavia is socialist and is also democratic. Yeah, they have
national legislatures and an executive and an independent judiciary
just like we do and for them, it's worked very nicely.
if so then why are they tiny bankrupt Nations? Some have had currency
collapse several times in the last 50 years.
Really? Which Scandinavian countries are bankrupt? Which have had
multiple currency collapses?
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Governor Swill
Otoh, Germany and Italy were both totalitarian and capitalist in the
thirties and forties.
In which the leaders killed anyone that didn't do business as they told
them to do it. What was that Volks Wagon thing Hitler supported.
Germany's answer to the Model T. It was designed as a cheap, low
maintenance, reliable family car.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
And then there was Crystal Nacht where the totalitarian destroyed the
Jewish businesses
Which has squat to do with the subject at hand. But, since you asked,
the Jews were noted for their support of socialists and communists.
Hitler was a bitter foe of communism.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
From where I sit that's NOT capitalism. Hitler said he was a Socialist.
Like I've said before, you don't know the difference between politics
and economics. You also don't know anything about the economics of
Germany or Italy of the time either. Both were private enterprise,
capitalist economies. All those Messerschmits, Junkers and BMW
weapons systems were built by privately held and public corporations,
NOT by the state any more than the US govt built OUR tanks and jeeps
and guns.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic
system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair
salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to
wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we
are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
--Adolf Hitler-- (Speech of May 1, 1927
DIDN'T HITLER create a National health care system?
The Internet is a wonderful thing.

"The German social insurance and health care system began in the 1880s
under Bismarck. Ironically, it was part of Bismarck’s “anti-socialist”
legislation, adopted under the theory that a little socialism would
prevent the rise of a more virulent socialism.

"By the time of Weimar, German doctors had become accustomed to
cooperating with the government in the provision of medical care. The
reforms of the Weimar Republic following the medical crises of World
War I included government policies to provide health care services to
all citizens. Socially minded physicians placed great hope in a new
health care system, calling for a single state agency to overcome
fragmentation and the lack of influence of individual practitioners
and local services. The focus of medicine shifted from private
practice to public health and from treating disease to preventable
health care. During the German “economic consolidation” of 1924-1928,
public health improved under new laws against tuberculosis, venereal
disease, and alcoholism, with new advisory centers for chemical
dependency and counseling bureaus for marriage and sexual problems."
<http://fee.org/freeman/national-health-care-medicine-in-germany-1918-1945/>
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Governor Swill
The problem, in other words, is more the form of govt than the form
the economy takes. Any economic system, well managed to secure the
People's prosperity and happiness is effective if the govt under which
it exists is also effective and has as its goal, the security,
prosperity and happiness of the People.
NOT true, some economic systems require more centralized power and
steals more freedoms from the people.
Like the Patriot Act?
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
How's that Cuban or Venezuelan economy doing today?
Cuba is doing better. Their journey away from a communist economy is
well underway. Cuba now allows private property and has a real estate
market.

As for Venezuela, easy come, easy go. They tried to found their
economy on oil as the Saudis did, but unlike the Saudis, they failed
to manage that income well.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Which means that the fools and the totalitarians both want to impose
Socialism little by little until they get to a point that the
totalitarians will start taking over.
Scotty, you don't know the difference between politics and economics.
Liberals can't find the dividing line,
You're a liberal? That would explain why you don't know the
difference.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
which is why they think the
government should set pay scale and tax 90% from people that worked for
the money. If the Liberals knew the difference they wouldn't think that
other peoples money is public property.
Really? How many liberals do you know who want to tax everybody at
90%? How many do you know who want the govt to set pay scales?
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
The genius in America was the divided government with checks and
balances and the free markets... as there are fewer and fewer divisions
in government and the checks and balance are ignored and the free
markets disappear, we get closer to totalitarianism being the reality.
Liberalism is the problem Socialism is a symptom of the Liberals
unsustainable political ideology.
You mean radical liberal demagogues like Jefferson, Franklin and
Hancock - those liberals?

Swill
--
What Republicans are really scared of is that the economy
*won't stop* getting better.
bookoflife.org
2015-09-18 23:14:39 UTC
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Socialism is an economic failure. International socialism didn't work in the
no such thing as socialism, Russia was ruled by petty dictators. You need an IQ above retard to understand this, the jew arabs created that socialism mythos.
Hugo
2015-09-18 23:16:27 UTC
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Socialism is an economic failure. International socialism didn’t work in the
Soviet Union. National socialism didn’t work in Germany. And democratic
socialism, while avoiding the horrors of its communist and Nazi cousins,
also has been a flop.
Socialism fails because it attempts to replace market-determined prices
http://tinyurl.com/nbozrx2
http://tinyurl.com/ofjaqjo
Moreover, socialism channels self-interest in a destructive direction. In a
free market, people get income and improve their lot in life by satisfying
and fulfilling the needs of other people. In a socialist system, by
contrast, people squabble over the re-slicing of a shrinking pie.
There’s a famous Winston Churchill quote that basically says that the
ostensible problem with capitalism is that people aren’t equally rich,
whereas the supposed attractiveness of socialism is that people get to be
equally poor: http://tinyurl.com/otoy33l
http://tinyurl.com/qgvu42s
Both the Churchill quote and the image are very entertaining. And they
effectively make the point that statism is very bad for ordinary people.
That being said, they’re not actually accurate.
Sure, the masses are equally impoverished by socialist systems, but a
handful of people escape this fate. You probably won’t be surprised to learn
that the government elites have very comfortable lives. And that may be the
understatement of the century, as indicated by this report in the U.K.-based
Daily Mail. Here are some very relevant passages.
“The daughter of Hugo Chavez, the former president who once declared ‘being
rich is bad,’ may be the wealthiest woman in Venezuela, according to
evidence reportedly in the hands of Venezuelan media outlets. Maria Gabriela
Chavez, 35 
 holds assets in American and Andorran banks totaling almost
$4.2 billion. 
 Others close to Chavez managed to build up great personal
wealth that was kept outside the petrostate. Alejandro Andrade, who served
as Venezuela’s treasury minister from 2007 to 2010 and was reportedly a
close associate of Chavez, was discovered to have $11.2 billion in his
name 
 During his lifetime, Hugo Chavez denounced wealthy individuals, once
railing against the rich for being ‘lazy.’ ‘The rich don’t work, they’re
lazy,’ he railed in a speech in 2010. ‘Every day they go drinking whiskey –
almost every day – and drugs, cocaine, they travel.’”
http://tinyurl.com/phrdw2t
What a bunch of hypocrites. They denounce successful people who presumably
earn money honestly, yet they amass huge fortunes by pilfering their nation.
And what’s been happening in Venezuela is no different, I’m sure, than what
happened in the past in Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and other socialist
regimes.
And I’m sure it’s still happening today in other socialist hell holes such
as North Korea and Cuba: http://tinyurl.com/nf2m632
The elite enjoy undeserved and unearned wealth while ordinary people live
wretched lives of deprivation: http://tinyurl.com/ptd8yo5
Everyone’s equal, but some are more equal than others.
Some wise words about the impact of socialism on ordinary people from Kevin
Williamson of National Review.
“The United Socialist party’s disastrous economic policies have led to acute
shortages of everything: rice, beans, flour, oil, eggs, soap, even toilet
paper. Venezuela is full of state-run stores that are there to provide the
poor with life’s necessities at subsidized prices, but the shelves are
empty. 
 While Venezuela has endured food riots for years, the capital
recently has been the scene of protests related to medical care. Venezuela
has free universal health care — and a constitutional guarantee of access to
it. That means exactly nothing in a country without enough doctors,
medicine, or facilities. Chemotherapy is available in only three cities,
with patients often traveling hours from the hinterlands to receive
treatment. But the treatment has stopped.”: http://tinyurl.com/psdu2mp
Now ask yourself whether you think the party bosses are suffering like other
citizens http://tinyurl.com/o7ldfyo
http://tinyurl.com/nsxvhnf
And that giant gap between the treatment of the elite vs. the peasantry
tells you everything you need to know about socialism, whether it’s the
brutal kind practiced in places such as Venezuela or the kinder, gentler
http://tinyurl.com/peghb8e
http://tinyurl.com/pe44rvx
Exactly. And why should I pay for expensive AIDS drugs for
faggots who don't contribute anything to society or an economy?

Fuck them. They made the decision to be a faggot. Let them
earn their keep and pay for the drugs that extend their wretched
lives for a few years.
Topaz
2015-09-19 01:05:21 UTC
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Socialism is a government doing something to help people.

Capitalism is the opposition to anything a government might do to help
people.

The most annoying thing about the USA is affirmative action. This
means that women and Black people get the jobs and scholarships even
if the White man is more qualified. America is founded on the idea
that the White man is to blame for everything bad. And every time
women or Black people get to be president or whatever it's called a
great achievement. This is known as political correctness or PC for
short.

The problem with the schools is that they are PC. But the Jews and
their minions cleverly twist it so that "Socialism" is the problem and
not PC. Communism may of course be trash but so is Capitalism. Here is
a quote from Mein Kampf:

"the Jew seized upon the manifold possibilities which the
situation offered him for the future. While on the one hand he
organized capitalistic methods of exploitation to their ultimate
degree of efficiency, he curried favour with the victims of his policy
and his power and in a short while became the leader of their struggle
against himself. 'Against himself' is here only a figurative way of
speaking; for this 'Great Master of Lies' knows how to appear in the
guise of the innocent and throw the guilt on others. Since he had the
impudence to take a personal lead among the masses, they never for a
moment suspected that they were falling prey to one of the most
infamous deceits ever practiced. And yet that is what it actually
was."




www.tomatobubble.com www.ihr.org http://nationalvanguard.org

http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com
Beam Me Up Scotty
2015-09-19 16:16:26 UTC
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Post by Topaz
Socialism is a government doing something to help people.
Capitalism is the opposition to anything a government might do to help
people.
Socialism is a government doing something to people.

Capitalism is the opposition to anything a government might do to
people.
--
That's Karma
Siri Cruz
2015-09-19 16:52:59 UTC
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In article <%SfLx.311$***@fx28.iad>,
Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Socialism is a government doing something to people.
Capitalism is the opposition to anything a government might do to
people.
Capitalism is a person lending extra cash and property to business for
expansion. Socialism is the government lending cash and property to a business
fro expansion. To US uses both methods depending on the needs of the country.
--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
When is a Kenyan not a Kenyan? When he's a Canadian.
That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!
bookoflife.org
2015-09-19 20:07:25 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Socialism is a government doing something to people.
Capitalism is the opposition to anything a government might do to
people.
Capitalism is a person lending extra cash and property to business for
expansion. Socialism is the government lending cash and property to a business
fro expansion. To US uses both methods depending on the needs of the country.
--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
When is a Kenyan not a Kenyan? When he's a Canadian.
That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!
shut up, just replace capitalism with pink elephants. words are words, shit, for brains.
Governor Swill
2015-09-19 21:40:21 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruz
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Socialism is a government doing something to people.
Capitalism is the opposition to anything a government might do to
people.
Capitalism is a person lending extra cash and property to business for
expansion. Socialism is the government lending cash and property to a business
fro expansion. To US uses both methods depending on the needs of the country.
Precisely.

As usual, Scotty proves he doesn't know the difference between
politics and economics.

Swill
--
What Republicans are really scared of is that the economy
*won't stop* getting better.
Topaz
2015-09-20 09:34:26 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruz
Capitalism is a person lending extra cash and property to business for
expansion. Socialism is the government lending cash and property to a business
fro expansion. To US uses both methods depending on the needs of the country.
Those who let their money work for them are worthless parasites.

We need to scrap the debt-money system. This site explains it for
those who don't know:
http://www.michaeljournal.org/myth.htm

We need a money supply that is not owed to bankers. The government
should print the money without borrowing anything from anyone. Money
would be brought into circulation by paying policemen and other public
servants. Once there is a debt-free money supply in circulation, the
police and other things would then be paid for by taxes. New money
would still be created when needed but we would control the amount of
it so there is no inflation.

Loans for houses and cars and business should be from the
government and at zero interest. This would initially add to the money
in circulation but when the loan is repaid the money would be removed
circulation, so there is no net increase and no inflation.


www.tomatobubble.com www.ihr.org http://nationalvanguard.org

http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com
Governor Swill
2015-09-19 21:38:47 UTC
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Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Topaz
Socialism is a government doing something to help people.
Capitalism is the opposition to anything a government might do to help
people.
Socialism is a government doing something to people.
Capitalism is the opposition to anything a government might do to
people.
Socialism is govt doing it to the People.

Capitalism is the People doing it to each other.

Swill
--
What Republicans are really scared of is that the economy
*won't stop* getting better.
Topaz
2015-09-20 09:41:08 UTC
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On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 17:38:47 -0400, Governor Swill
Post by Governor Swill
Socialism is govt doing it to the People.
If that is the definition then I'm against it. But a government
should do things to help people.


"The U.S. government played a vital role in settling the West,
including massive land purchases and giveaways, the Homestead Act, the
Pony Express, agricultural colleges, rural electrification, telephone
wiring, road-building, irrigation, dam-building, farm subsidies, and
farm foreclosure loans. Settling the West would have been impossible
without such help.

The West was not conquered by rifle-toting pioneers, but by the U.S.
Army. Our government made massive land purchases, without which the
conquest of these territories would have been even bloodier. It spent
$15 million on the Louisiana Purchase, $25 million on the Texas/
California purchase, and $7 million for the Alaska Purchase.

Our government then turned around and sold this land below cost, at
considerable loss to itself. The Preemption Act of 1841, the
Graduation Act of 1854 and the Homestead Act of 1862 all gave away
land to pioneers for a song.

The government also played a crucial role in developing these lands.
When it came to connecting the Great Lakes to the Eastern seaboard
with canals, the government funded or financially guaranteed three
fourths of the $200 million project. It also gave each state 30,000
acres of land to build agricultural colleges. These colleges were
enormously important in advancing agricultural education and
techniques among the farmers. As a result, American farmers were
quickly able to create a working agricultural economy. Our government
also created the mail service that interconnected the entire nation's
economy.

At the farthest edges of the frontier, the settlers were literally
lawless; gun-fighting and dueling were rampant. It was only when the
government moved in that law and order and a sense of community were
established. Diseases killed people, attacks from Native Americans
killed more, and economic chaos turned cities into ghost towns
overnight. Group survival proved much more effective than true
hermitism.

Historian John Mack Farragher described life on the frontier as "a
community experience, Sharing work with neighbors at cabin raisings,
log rollings, hayings, husking, butchering, harvesting or threshing
were all traditionally considered communal affairs 'borrowing system'
allowed scarce tools, labor and products to circulate for the benefit
of all." One pioneer told prospective settlers: "Your wheel-barrows,
your shovels, your utensils of all sorts, belong not to yourself, but
to the public who do not think it necessary even to ask a loan, but
take it for granted."

The government continued to develop the West in the early 20th
century. It constructed dams and subsidized huge irrigation projects.
During the Great Depression, rural electrification programs brought
electricity to farmers, which enabled them to use power tools,
refrigeration and household appliances to make their work and personal
lives easier. The government also built highways into the West, and
wired the countryside for telephone service. The government saved
countless small farmers by giving them loans to stall foreclosures and
tide them over the rough times. And it began paying huge farming
subsidies that continue to this day.

The West has a rich tradition of dependency on government. As
historian Stephanie Coontz says: "It would be hard to find a Western
family today or at any time in the past whose land rights,
transportation options, economic existence, and even access to water
were not dependent on federal funds." Paradoxically, however, the West
has also enjoyed a long tradition of anti-government sentiments. When
John Wayne punched out "Mr. Government Bureaucrat" in a Hollywood
Western, he was acting out the misplaced rage of many Western
Americans.


Abel
Post by Governor Swill
Capitalism is the People doing it to each other.
Swill
www.tomatobubble.com www.ihr.org http://nationalvanguard.org

http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com
Topaz
2015-09-20 09:32:17 UTC
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On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:16:26 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Socialism is a government doing something to people.
If that is the definition then I am against it. But a government
should do things to help people.
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Capitalism is the opposition to anything a government might do to
people.
Capitalism and Communism are both deplorable. The problem with
capitalism is that it puts no special value on people. Capitalism is
based on supply and demand. A capitalist company that made potato
chips for example would need--X number of potatoes, Y amount of salt,
and Z number of human beings for labor. The human beings have no more
value than the potatoes or the salt. And they consider it good to pay
the humans as little as they possibly can to increase their profits.

According to capitalist theory people must compete to see who
will work for the least pennies per hour. They say everyone must
compete with the people in Mexico and China to see who will work for
the fewest pennies. If a company makes billions in profit while paying
its employees starvation wages that is perfectly fine. At least the
sacred laws of supply and demand are not violated. If the people die
of starvation that is fine too. You can always get more people. If
there is not enough work for everyone to do then they think people
need to die off. The Luddites were correct that something was very
rotten. But instead of smashing the machines, they should have smashed
Capitalism. Of course machines should be a blessing to mankind, but
Capitalism has made them a curse. Actually Capitalism is the curse.


Ebenezer Scrooge did everything right according to the capitalists and
followed the beliefs and values of capitalism. The apologists for
the Scrooges correctly point out that people only start business for a
profit. Of course that is true. Anyone can see that communism is a big
mistake. But wouldn't people start the business for only millions in
profits rather than billions? What if there were laws that made sure
working people got a reasonable share of the profit? Would that be so
terrible?

In a hypothetical case suppose in the future technology
progressed so far that all work was done by machines. Huge farms
gathering food and all automated. You would think that would be
heaven on earth. But not with capitalism. People would be worthless
according to capitalist supply and demand ideas. People wouldn't get
one loaf of bread because they would have no jobs.

Capitalists oppose welfare and say that orphans and other needy
people should be helped by charity. How much charity would there be
when capitalists openly say that selfishness is a great virtue? If
there was no welfare then the charitable people would have to pay for
everything while most people would not pay one thin dime. We have
welfare so people all pay their fair share. It is part of having
civilization.

We have many laws that make things better for people.
There are laws that give people extra pay if they work over forty
hours. There are laws that ensure people will have retirement.
Capitalism is for doing away with the laws so businesses can be free
to be as greedy as possible. There are laws that keep people from
getting ripped off when they buy a house. Capitalism is against that.
Capitalism is bad for people.




www.tomatobubble.com www.ihr.org http://nationalvanguard.org

http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com
Ramon F Herrera
2015-09-19 16:33:08 UTC
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Post by Byker
Socialism is an economic failure. International socialism didn’t work in the
Soviet Union. National socialism didn’t work in Germany. And democratic
socialism, while avoiding the horrors of its communist and Nazi cousins,
also has been a flop.
"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller


Pretty much all the groups mentioned above vote Democrat -- Except the
Nazis.

-Ramon
Ramon F Herrera
2015-09-19 16:36:33 UTC
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Post by Byker
And democratic
socialism, while avoiding the horrors of its communist and Nazi cousins,
also has been a flop.
Byker:

I find no difference between your posts and the statements in the web
site of the Nazi Party.

Can you tell us the difference?

-Ramon

http://www.americannaziparty.com
Ramon F Herrera
2015-09-19 16:37:42 UTC
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On behalf of the US Latinos, I would like to ask the following to the
Republican Party authorities and loyal base:

How come your position on Immigration Reform is the exact same one as
that of the "fine" institutions below?

http://www.midwestcoalitiontoreduceimmigration.org/
http://www.numbersusa.com
http://www.fairus.org
http://www.cis.org
http://www.vdare.com
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org
http://www.westernyouth.org
http://www.infowars.com
http://www.jbs.org/ (John Birch Society)
http://www.stormfront.org
http://www.americannaziparty.com
http://www.kkk.org/

-RFH
Ramon F Herrera
2015-09-19 16:40:35 UTC
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Post by Byker
And democratic
socialism, while avoiding the horrors of its communist and Nazi cousins,
I fail to see any difference between your posts and those of your fellow
Social Conservatives on one hand, and the definition of Nazism on the other.

-Ramon

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DocinDC1
1:24 PM CDT

Far right politics commonly include authoritarianism, nativism and
racialism. Typically, the term far right is applied to fascists and
neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far
right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right
to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and — in
the case of Nazism — genocide of people deemed to be inferior.

The far right claims that superior people should proportionally have
greater rights than inferior people. The far right has historically
favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the
rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses.

Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and
anti-integration stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and
undesirable. Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality,
culture and migration), a far-right position could be the view that
certain ethnic, racial or religious groups should stay separate, and
that the interests of one’s own group should be prioritized.
Ramon F Herrera
2015-09-19 16:41:23 UTC
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Post by Byker
And democratic
socialism, while avoiding the horrors of its communist and Nazi cousins,
also has been a flop.
I fail to see any difference between your posts and those of your fellow
Social Conservatives on one hand, and the definition of Nazism on the other.

-Ramon

=============================


DocinDC1
2:20 PM CDT

Nazism was declared a Far Right ideology by those who invented it.

"National Socialism" was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi
Germany. It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism
and antisemitism.

Nazism relied upon the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist
movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which
fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It called for
the Far Right platform of domination of society by people deemed
racially superior, while purging society of people declared inferior.

Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and all other leaders of the party defined the
party as a party of the Nationalist Right. In its rise, it fought and
murdered Communists, Socialists, and Social Democrats in the streets as
their political enemies.

When the seizure of power occurred in 1933, they put the leaders of
Socialist, Communist and Social Democratic parties into prisons, and
later into concentration camps, while incorporating parties of the Right
into their movement.
Governor Swill
2015-09-19 21:43:44 UTC
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Post by Ramon F Herrera
"National Socialism" was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi
Germany. It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism
and antisemitism.
It was also based on ignorance. The Nazis labeled Judaism a race,
completely disregarding the fact that it's only a religion and has no
markers in the DNA molecule.

Swill
--
What Republicans are really scared of is that the economy
*won't stop* getting better.
bookoflife.org
2015-09-19 23:07:40 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Ramon F Herrera
"National Socialism" was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi
Germany. It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism
and antisemitism.
It was also based on ignorance. The Nazis labeled Judaism a race,
completely disregarding the fact that it's only a religion and has no
markers in the DNA molecule.
now you are thinking strait :) good for you.
Post by Governor Swill
Swill
--
What Republicans are really scared of is that the economy
*won't stop* getting better.
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