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Three More Unions -- Including Teamsters -- STRONGLY Oppose ObamaCare
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CC Rider
2013-07-18 19:33:18 UTC
Buyers' remorse, eh gentlemen.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Gawd help me, but I love it!
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Unions to Democrats: Obamacare Will 'Destroy Health, Well-Being of Workers'

Image: Unions to Democrats: Obamacare Will 'Destroy Health, Well-Being of
Workers'


Tuesday, 16 Jul 2013 02:34 PM

By Lisa Barron

Labor unions appear to be doing an about-face on Obamacare, with the heads
of three major unions sending a letter to Democratic leaders in Congress
warning that the law as it now stands could have dire consequences for
workers.

The letter, addressed to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California, was written by James
Hoffa, general president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters;
Joseph Hansen, international president of the United Food and Commercial
Workers International Union; and Donald Taylor, president of UNITE-HERE.

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The union leaders stated that the Affordable Care Act would "shatter not
only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the
40-hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class."

Pointing to the employer mandate that requires businesses to provide
health coverage to employees working more than 30 hours a week, the union
leaders said, "Numerous employers have begun to cut workers' hours to avoid
this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is
twofold: Fewer hours mean less pay while also losing our current health
benefits."

"We have a problem," they wrote, and "you need to fix it."

The tough rhetoric from the usual supporters of President Barack Obama
comes as his signature healthcare program is floundering before its rollout
this year.

The administration has already delayed several key aspects of the law,
including the employer mandate, which required companies with 50 or more
workers to provide health insurance or pay a fine.

The union bosses also noted that millions of workers are covered by
nonprofit health plans known as Taft-Hartley plans, which "have been built
over decades by working men and women" and that "under the ACA as
interpreted by the administration, our employees will be treated
differently and not be eligible for subsidies afforded other citizens."

"As such," they added, "many employees will be relegated to second-class
status and shut out of the help the law offers to for-profit insurance
plans. "

The three labor leaders concluded, "We can no longer stand silent in the
face of elements of the Affordable Care Act that will destroy the very
health and well-being of our members along with millions of other
hardworking Americans."

Avik Roy, author of the Forbes blog The Apothecary, pointed out that they
are not the only union leaders who have been critical of Obamacare.

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Roy said that Kinsey Robinson, president of the United Union of Roofers,
Waterproofers and Allied Workers, said in April that their concerns "have
not been addressed, or in some instances, totally ignored" and that "in the
rush to achieve its passage, many of the act's provisions were not fully
conceived, resulting in unintended consequences that are inconsistent with
the promise that those who were satisfied with their employer-sponsored
coverage could keep it."



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Dänk 42Ø
2013-07-18 19:46:24 UTC
Post by CC Rider
Buyers' remorse, eh gentlemen.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Gawd help me, but I love it! ______________
Unions to Democrats: Obamacare Will 'Destroy Health, Well-Being of Workers'
Image: Unions to Democrats: Obamacare Will 'Destroy Health, Well-Being
of Workers'
Tuesday, 16 Jul 2013 02:34 PM
By Lisa Barron
Labor unions appear to be doing an about-face on Obamacare, with the
heads of three major unions sending a letter to Democratic leaders in
Congress warning that the law as it now stands could have dire
consequences for workers.
The letter, addressed to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California, was written by James
Hoffa, general president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters;
Joseph Hansen, international president of the United Food and Commercial
Workers International Union; and Donald Taylor, president of UNITE-HERE.
Editor's Note: Should ObamaCare Be Repealed? Vote in Urgent National Poll
The union leaders stated that the Affordable Care Act would "shatter not
only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the
40-hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class."
Pointing to the employer mandate that requires businesses to provide
health coverage to employees working more than 30 hours a week, the
union leaders said, "Numerous employers have begun to cut workers' hours
to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The
impact is twofold: Fewer hours mean less pay while also losing our
current health benefits."
This outcome was predicted as the Obamacare was being "debated" in
Congress. Democraps knew this would happen, and passed it anyway.
Post by CC Rider
"We have a problem," they wrote, and "you need to fix it."
Democraps don't need to fix anything, since that party pwns labor
unions. Nothing matters less in politics than a special interest group
whose support can be taken for granted.

What this purported party of the working class has done is to abolish
health insurance benefits AND the classic 40-hour workweek, creating a
new standard of having to work two 25-hour parttime jobs with no health
benefits. Those who don't work at all are rewarded with free Medicaid
coverage. Progress!



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"As for the philosophic side of Marxism, the pea-and-thimble trick with
those three mysterious entities, thesis, antithesis, and synthesis, I
have never met a working man who had the faintest interest in it. It is
of course true that plenty of people of working-class origin are
Socialists of the theoretical bookish type. But they are never people who
have remained working men; they don't work with their hands, that is.
They belong either to the type I mentioned in the last chapter, the type
who squirms into the middle class via the literary intelligentsia, or the
type who becomes a Labour M.P. or a high-up trade union official. This
last type is one of the most desolating spectacles the world contains. He
has been picked out to fight for his mates, and all it means to him is a
soft job and the chance of 'bettering' himself. Not merely while but BY
fighting the bourgeoisie he becomes a bourgeois himself."

-- George Orwell, "The Road to Wigan Pier"
Xavier
2013-07-18 20:00:37 UTC
Post by Dänk 42Ø
Post by CC Rider
"We have a problem," they wrote, and "you need to fix it."
Democraps don't need to fix anything, since that party pwns labor
unions. Nothing matters less in politics than a special interest group
whose support can be taken for granted.
Maybe they won't vote for the other side, but I have a hunch that they'll
just stay home in Nov. 2014, like conservatives did in Nov. 2012 when their
choices were Obama or Obama Lite.
Y***@Jurgis.net
2013-07-18 20:41:32 UTC
Post by Xavier
Post by Dänk 42Ø
Post by CC Rider
"We have a problem," they wrote, and "you need to fix it."
Democraps don't need to fix anything, since that party pwns labor
unions. Nothing matters less in politics than a special interest group
whose support can be taken for granted.
Maybe they won't vote for the other side, but I have a hunch that they'll
just stay home in Nov. 2014, like conservatives did in Nov. 2012 when their
choices were Obama or Obama Lite.
Spanking monkey won't bring back Women, Minorities, and thinking
america to that failing, mad republican party

You are losing because YOU are slurping up the same propaganda that
idiots get fed
Post by Xavier
====================================================================
PETE DuPONT, GOPAC Founder: When he began the campaign with GOPAC, the
serious part of building to a majority, he said, "The first thing
we've got to do is we all got to use the same language. We've got to
start talking about"_ and Newt said this hundreds of times_ "start
talking about a conservative opportunity society replacing the liberal
Welfare state." And he'd say, "Bang that language into your head. Use
it every night. Use the same words and pretty soon it will permeate to
the American people." And that was the right strategy.
"The great masses' receptive ability is only very limited, their understanding
is small, but their forgetfullness is great. As a consequence
of these facts, all effective propagana has to limit itself only to a
very few points and use them like slogans until even the very last man
is able to imagine what is intended by such a word.
Adolph Hitler
Mein Kampf
Madame Roselles
2013-07-18 21:26:25 UTC
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Xavier
Post by Dänk 42Ø
Post by CC Rider
"We have a problem," they wrote, and "you need to fix it."
Democraps don't need to fix anything, since that party pwns labor
unions. Nothing matters less in politics than a special interest group
whose support can be taken for granted.
Maybe they won't vote for the other side, but I have a hunch that they'll
just stay home in Nov. 2014, like conservatives did in Nov. 2012 when their
choices were Obama or Obama Lite.
Spanking monkey won't bring back Women, Minorities, and thinking
america to that failing, mad republican party
Thinking America is what stayed home in 2012, given the choices they had.
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
You are losing because YOU are slurping up the same propaganda that
idiots get fed
The country is losing because blacks couldn't look past their racism, and
sissy white liberals past their white guilt and so slurped down the Obammy
Kool Aid and chose a Marxist.
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Xavier
====================================================================
PETE DuPONT, GOPAC Founder: When he began the campaign with GOPAC, the
serious part of building to a majority, he said, "The first thing
we've got to do is we all got to use the same language. We've got to
start talking about"_ and Newt said this hundreds of times_ "start
talking about a conservative opportunity society replacing the liberal
Welfare state." And he'd say, "Bang that language into your head. Use
it every night. Use the same words and pretty soon it will permeate to
the American people." And that was the right strategy.
"The great masses' receptive ability is only very limited, their understanding
is small, but their forgetfullness is great. As a consequence
of these facts, all effective propagana has to limit itself only to a
very few points and use them like slogans until even the very last man
is able to imagine what is intended by such a word.
Adolph Hitler
Mein Kampf
.
Y***@Jurgis.net
2013-07-18 23:22:02 UTC
On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:26:25 -0400, Madame Roselles
Post by Madame Roselles
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Xavier
Maybe they won't vote for the other side, but I have a hunch that they'll
just stay home in Nov. 2014, like conservatives did in Nov. 2012 when their
choices were Obama or Obama Lite.
Spanking monkey won't bring back Women, Minorities, and thinking
america to that failing, mad republican party
Thinking America is what stayed home in 2012, given the choices they had.
No, there were MORE voting in the 2012 election---they voted for Obama

More women

More Latinos

More minorities

More republicans voted---but could not make up the massive losses
caused by:

a) your candidate being such a piss-poor one

b) The fundamental "principles" which the present day GOP now adopts.

The entire field of candidates from Neutie to Perry were probably the
WORST in history of the GOP.

And----the up coming election ain't no better because of the primary
WILL take out any establishment (reasonable) candidate you have.

You WILL get a more radical candidate to run----it's assured.
Madame Roselles
2013-07-19 00:31:38 UTC
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:26:25 -0400, Madame Roselles
Post by Madame Roselles
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Xavier
Maybe they won't vote for the other side, but I have a hunch that they'll
just stay home in Nov. 2014, like conservatives did in Nov. 2012 when their
choices were Obama or Obama Lite.
Spanking monkey won't bring back Women, Minorities, and thinking
america to that failing, mad republican party
Thinking America is what stayed home in 2012, given the choices they had.
No, there were MORE voting in the 2012 election---they voted for Obama
More women
More white women voted Romney.
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
More Latinos
voted for Obama ... in 2008.
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
More minorities
Smaller % of blacks voted Obama and now 86% give him a favorable rating,
down from the 90+%
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
More republicans voted---
Horseshit. The conservatives stayed home because it was RINO dominated.














but could not make up the massive losses
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
a) your candidate being such a piss-poor one
b) The fundamental "principles" which the present day GOP now adopts.
The entire field of candidates from Neutie to Perry were probably the
WORST in history of the GOP.
And----the up coming election ain't no better because of the primary
WILL take out any establishment (reasonable) candidate you have.
You WILL get a more radical candidate to run----it's assured.
..
Dänk 42Ø
2013-07-19 04:11:23 UTC
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:26:25 -0400, Madame Roselles
Post by Madame Roselles
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Xavier
Maybe they won't vote for the other side, but I have a hunch that
they'll just stay home in Nov. 2014, like conservatives did in Nov.
2012 when their choices were Obama or Obama Lite.
Spanking monkey won't bring back Women, Minorities, and thinking
america to that failing, mad republican party
Thinking America is what stayed home in 2012, given the choices they had.
No, there were MORE voting in the 2012 election---they voted for Obama
More women
More Latinos
More minorities
By voting for him, women, latinos and other minorities supported Chairman
Obama's illegal and unconstitutional police-state surveillance program.
Why exactly do you you believe this is a good thing?

Y***@Jurgis.net
2013-07-18 20:40:02 UTC
Post by CC Rider
http://www.newsmax.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA

NewsExLax

That's a real winner.....

Why did you cite that crap----Because Weekly World News Folded?

Hmmm?
Joe Cooper
2013-07-18 20:46:48 UTC
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by CC Rider
http://www.newsmax.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
NewsExLax
That's a real winner.....
Why did you cite that crap----Because Weekly World News Folded?
Hmmm?
So you have no evidence whatsoever that the story is not true? We didn't
think so.
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Y***@Jurgis.net
2013-07-18 23:24:02 UTC
Post by Joe Cooper
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by CC Rider
http://www.newsmax.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
NewsExLax
That's a real winner.....
Why did you cite that crap----Because Weekly World News Folded?
Hmmm?
So you have no evidence whatsoever that the story is not true? We didn't
think so.
I have the source.

NO ONE needs (or at leas rational people) to accept a known rag that
has a history of deception and lying as it's fundamental goal of
advancing the rightwing causes.

(their archives hold a litany of crap from the 90's related to the
Clintons--NONE of which has any factual basis or truth)
Post by Joe Cooper
====================================================================
PETE DuPONT, GOPAC Founder: When he began the campaign with GOPAC, the
serious part of building to a majority, he said, "The first thing
we've got to do is we all got to use the same language. We've got to
start talking about"_ and Newt said this hundreds of times_ "start
talking about a conservative opportunity society replacing the liberal
Welfare state." And he'd say, "Bang that language into your head. Use
it every night. Use the same words and pretty soon it will permeate to
the American people." And that was the right strategy.
"The great masses' receptive ability is only very limited, their understanding
is small, but their forgetfullness is great. As a consequence
of these facts, all effective propagana has to limit itself only to a
very few points and use them like slogans until even the very last man
is able to imagine what is intended by such a word.
Adolph Hitler
Mein Kampf
Madame Roselles
2013-07-19 00:33:25 UTC
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Joe Cooper
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by CC Rider
http://www.newsmax.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
NewsExLax
That's a real winner.....
Why did you cite that crap----Because Weekly World News Folded?
Hmmm?
So you have no evidence whatsoever that the story is not true? We didn't
think so.
I have the source.
Cite it.
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
NO ONE needs (or at leas rational people) to accept a known rag that
has a history of deception and lying as it's fundamental goal of
advancing the rightwing causes.
(their archives hold a litany of crap from the 90's related to the
Clintons--NONE of which has any factual basis or truth)
Post by Joe Cooper
====================================================================
PETE DuPONT, GOPAC Founder: When he began the campaign with GOPAC, the
serious part of building to a majority, he said, "The first thing
we've got to do is we all got to use the same language. We've got to
start talking about"_ and Newt said this hundreds of times_ "start
talking about a conservative opportunity society replacing the liberal
Welfare state." And he'd say, "Bang that language into your head. Use
it every night. Use the same words and pretty soon it will permeate to
the American people." And that was the right strategy.
"The great masses' receptive ability is only very limited, their understanding
is small, but their forgetfullness is great. As a consequence
of these facts, all effective propagana has to limit itself only to a
very few points and use them like slogans until even the very last man
is able to imagine what is intended by such a word.
Adolph Hitler
Mein Kampf
.
Madame Roselles
2013-07-18 21:28:06 UTC
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by CC Rider
http://www.newsmax.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
NewsExLax
That's a real winner.....
Why did you cite that crap----Because Weekly World News Folded?
Hmmm?
Wasn't the article in Mother Jones?

Not surprised really.
Ookin' 'n' Eekin'
2013-07-18 21:34:13 UTC
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by CC Rider
http://www.newsmax.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
NewsExLax
That's a real winner.....
Why did you cite that crap----Because Weekly World News Folded?
Hmmm?
I guess then that the Wall St. Journal's gonna get their asses sued for
printing the "alleged" letter:



Dear Leader Reid and Leader Pelosi:

When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act
(ACA), you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could
keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless you and
the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not
only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40
hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.

Like millions of other Americans, our members are front-line workers in the
American economy. We have been strong supporters of the notion that all
Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have
also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put
boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks
and raised money to secure this vision.

Now this vision has come back to haunt us.

Since the ACA was enacted, we have been bringing our deep concerns to the
Administration, seeking reasonable regulatory interpretations to the
statute that would help prevent the destruction of non-profit health plans.
As you both know first-hand, our persuasive arguments have been disregarded
and met with a stone wall by the White House and the pertinent agencies.
This is especially stinging because other stakeholders have repeatedly
received successful interpretations for their respective grievances. Most
disconcerting of course is last week’s huge accommodation for the employer
community—extending the statutorily mandated “December 31, 2013” deadline
for the employer mandate and penalties.

Time is running out: Congress wrote this law; we voted for you. We have a
problem; you need to fix it. The unintended consequences of the ACA are
severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios:

First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees’ work
hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers’
hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The
impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our
current health benefits.
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Second, millions of Americans are covered by non-profit health insurance
plans like the ones in which most of our members participate. These
non-profit plans are governed jointly by unions and companies under the
Taft-Hartley Act. Our health plans have been built over decades by working
men and women. Under the ACA as interpreted by the Administration, our
employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies
afforded other citizens. As such, many employees will be relegated to
second-class status and shut out of the help the law offers to for-profit
insurance plans.

And finally, even though non-profit plans like ours won’t receive the same
subsidies as for-profit plans, they’ll be taxed to pay for those subsidies.
Taken together, these restrictions will make non-profit plans like ours
unsustainable, and will undermine the health-care market of viable
alternatives to the big health insurance companies.

On behalf of the millions of working men and women we represent and the
families they support, we can no longer stand silent in the face of
elements of the Affordable Care Act that will destroy the very health and
wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking
Americans.

We believe that there are common-sense corrections that can be made within
the existing statute that will allow our members to continue to keep their
current health plans and benefits just as you and the President pledged.
Unless changes are made, however, that promise is hollow.

We continue to stand behind real health care reform, but the law as it
stands will hurt millions of Americans including the members of our
respective unions.

We are looking to you to make sure these changes are made.

James P. Hoffa
General President
International Brotherhood of Teamsters

Joseph Hansen
International President
UFCW

D. Taylor
President
UNITE-HERE
http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/07/12/union-letter-
obamacare-will-destroy-the-very-health-and-wellbeing-of-workers/