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**RELEASE ALL EVIDENCE OF THE NAZI CAMPS? ****
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sandman
2007-06-06 21:09:03 UTC
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Release all evidence of the Nazi camps

It has been 60 years...
why are we still hiding evidence of Nazi atrocities?



http://www.erichufschmid.net/StopNaziCoverup.html

History is warped
http://www.erichufschmid.net/Conspiracies12.htm

"Finkelstein eventually wrote a book in which he complains that enormous
numbers of Jews are pretending to be survivors of the Nazi prison camps in
order to get money from the German and/or other governments. He says his
mother made the sarcastic comment:
"If everyone who claims to be a survivor actually is one, who did Hitler
kill?"
Ron O'Neal
2007-06-06 23:08:07 UTC
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Post by sandman
Release all evidence of the Nazi camps
It has been 60 years...
why are we still hiding evidence of Nazi atrocities?
http://www.erichufschmid.net/StopNaziCoverup.html
History is warped
http://www.erichufschmid.net/Conspiracies12.htm
"Finkelstein eventually wrote a book in which he complains that enormous
numbers of Jews are pretending to be survivors of the Nazi prison camps in
order to get money from the German and/or other governments. He says his
"If everyone who claims to be a survivor actually is one, who did Hitler
kill?"
Re: ....why are we still hiding evidence of Nazi atrocities?

If it truly is "hidden", then how the Heck did you find it?

Oh.....I get it now ! You believe a dozen or so crackpots who refute the
Holocaust, in direct contradiction to the multitude of thousands who say it
was real.

Makes sense....if you are 5 years old.

RO
john w <johnw@yahoo.com>
2007-06-06 23:22:35 UTC
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Post by sandman
Release all evidence of the Nazi camps
It has been 60 years...
why are we still hiding evidence of Nazi atrocities?
The last I was aware, America is not in possession of the bulk of the
information.

It's in European hands. And I am quite sure the Europeans have reason
(good or bad) to not release the information.

john w
Post by sandman
http://www.erichufschmid.net/StopNaziCoverup.html
History is warped
http://www.erichufschmid.net/Conspiracies12.htm
"Finkelstein eventually wrote a book in which he complains that enormous
numbers of Jews are pretending to be survivors of the Nazi prison camps in
order to get money from the German and/or other governments. He says his
"If everyone who claims to be a survivor actually is one, who did Hitler
kill?"
Roger
2007-06-07 04:44:19 UTC
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You should be an organ donor.

Now.
Post by sandman
Release all evidence of the Nazi camps
It has been 60 years...
why are we still hiding evidence of Nazi atrocities?
http://www.erichufschmid.net/StopNaziCoverup.html
History is warped
http://www.erichufschmid.net/Conspiracies12.htm
"Finkelstein eventually wrote a book in which he complains that enormous
numbers of Jews are pretending to be survivors of the Nazi prison camps in
order to get money from the German and/or other governments. He says his
"If everyone who claims to be a survivor actually is one, who did
Hitler kill?"
RedFox
2007-06-13 23:09:11 UTC
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Post by sandman
Release all evidence of the Nazi camps
It has been 60 years...
why are we still hiding evidence of Nazi atrocities?
What documentation remained under wraps - because it involved people still
living - has mostly been released over the last year. It was held in
archives in Germany where the government had got fed up with the process
of denazification

We might have preferred the earlier release of some of this material to
assist prosecuting the guilty but the fact of the holocaust and of other
German atrocities during the Nazi epoch has never been in doubt.
Holocaust denial has nothing to do with historical research - it is an
attempt to sanitize history in order to make fascism and nazism attractive
to a new generation as political forms. Christian conservatism is a
particularly popular recruiting ground for Nazi evangelists

When your entire family has been wiped out - when you hear your elders
speak of street massacres - of the rapes and murders - of young children
murdered before their eyes - you understand what is meant by a living
memory and an oral memory

There is no point in denying what happened and no concealment. Hitler
once said that no one would remember the slaughter of the Armenians during
the First World war in Turkey. But people do remember and no denial -
official or personal will blot out the stain

From a BBC page

Sunday, 26 January, 2003, 01:40 GMT
Armenians say US failed them

Victims of one of the worst crimes of our age


By Fergal Keane
Reporting from Turkey for Correspondent

President Bush is counting his allies in Europe and the Middle East in
preparation for conflict in Iraq. One of the key US allies is Turkey.

But the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Armenians in 1915 - some
estimates run to more than a million - still troubles America's diplomatic
relations with Turkey.


Armenian communities have long pressed America to recognise the slaughter
in Ottoman Turkey as genocide.

But the Turks have always denied genocide and the scale of killing.

Turkey says the deaths were the consequence of civil war.

America regards Turkey as being strategically vital in any potential
conflict with Iraq.

The Western allies will need Turkish bases from which to launch air and
land strikes.

Turkish politicians have consistently urged America not to recognise the
Armenian claims.

The Armenians feel they have been failed by President Bush, and President
Clinton before him, in not already branding the slaughter as genocide - as
they both had pledged to do.


The Armenians were victims of one of the worst crimes of our age.

Militant nationalists, who ruled Ottoman Turkey at the time, had long
regarded the Armenians as a treacherous minority.

As the Ottoman Turks prepared for entry to the First World War, they
started the deportation of the Armenians from their traditional lands.


Thriving Armenian communities vanished. Those who made it to America were
the lucky few.

But many thousands were either left to starve in the mountains or, as
Professor Halil Bergtai explained, "They fell victim to systematic
extermination by vengeful tribes acting as government agents."

The Armenians have always maintained these actions were a calculated genocide.

However, former Turkish MP, Tayyibe Gulek rejects the accusations, saying:
"Accusing people of genocide, of wanting to eradicate a whole group of
people simply because of who they are, is absolutely incorrect, inaccurate
and we feel very insulted."


Turkey has never denied forcing the Armenians out but says this did not
amount to genocide.


The government order sealed Armenian fate

Filed away in the Ottoman archives is an extraordinary document.

Signed in 1915 by the government's cabinet, it is an official order for
the deportation of all Armenians.

Men, women and children were all classified as the enemy and were to be
driven out.

The American Ambassador in Constantinople at the time, Henry Morgenthau,
urgently contacted the Secretary of State in Washington.

He wrote: "Deportation of and excesses against peaceful Armenians is
increasing, and from harrowing reports of eye witnesses it appears that a
campaign of race extermination is in progress under a pretext of reprisal
against rebellion".

It is clear that America was made aware of the extent of the atrocities at
an early stage.



Just prior to the American presidential elections in 2000, President
Clinton shocked the majority of Congress.


Was Turkish pressure heavy on his mind?

He asked the Speaker of the House to withdraw a bill that would have
recognised the Armenian slaughter as "genocide".

His reason was for "grave national security and concerns, endangering
American lives".

But, Turkish Ambassador, Solmaz Unaydin said: "I think it was President
Clinton's very good foresight, appreciation and evaluation of Turkey's
position in the region, and the value they attach to our 'friendship and
collaboration' as a Nato ally."

Now, with war looming against Iraq, President Bush needs Turkey even more
than his predecessor.

This has meant breaking a pledge he made to the Armenian community.

In the run-up to the presidential elections, President Bush stated: "The
Armenians were subjected to a genocidal campaign...if elected president, I
would ensure our nation properly recognises the tragic suffering of the
Armenian people".


Turkey could play a key role in any Iraqi conflict

Bedros Gezoulin is a 96-year-old survivor of the slaughter who vividly
remembers the massacres and starvation.

He said: "After I die, I will be finished. But I will wait for that day. I
will wait till I die to hear them say: 'yes we have done it'."

But with President Bush dependent on Turkish support the survivors may be
waiting for a long time.

------------------------------------------------------------------------


------------------------------------------------------------------------
Correspondent: Armenia - The Betrayed, was broadcast on Sunday, 26
January, 2003 on BBC Two at 1915 GMT
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Topaz
2007-06-14 22:07:56 UTC
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Auschwitz: Myths and facts
by Mark Weber

Nearly everyone has heard of Auschwitz, the German wartime
concentration camp where many prisoners-most of them Jewish-were
reportedly exterminated, especially in gas chambers. Auschwitz is
widely regarded as the most terrible Nazi extermination center. The
camp's horrific reputation cannot, however, be reconciled with the
facts.
Scholars challenge Holocaust story
Astonishing as it may seem, more and more historians and engineers
have been challenging the widely accepted Auschwitz story. These
"revisionist" scholars do not dispute the fact that large numbers of
Jews were deported to the camp, or that many died there, particularly
of typhus and other diseases. But the compelling evidence they present
shows that Auschwitz was not an extermination center and that the
story of mass killings in "gas chambers" is a myth.
The Auschwitz camps
The Auschwitz camp complex was set up in 1940 in what is now
south-central Poland. Large numbers of Jews were deported there
between 1942 and mid-1944.
The main camp was known as Auschwitz I. Birkenau, or Auschwitz II, was
supposedly the main extermination center, and Monowitz, or Auschwitz
III, was a large industrial center where gasoline was produced from
coal. In addition there were dozens of smaller satellite camps devoted
to the war economy.
Four million victims?
At the postwar Nuremberg Tribunal, the Allies charged that the Germans
exterminated four million people at Auschwitz. This figure, which was
invented by the Soviets, was uncritically accepted for many years. It
often appeared in major American newspapers and magazines, for
example. (note 1)
Today no reputable historian, not even those who generally accept the
extermination story, believes this figure. Israeli Holocaust historian
Yehuda Bauer said in 1989 that it is time to finally acknowledge the
familiar four million figure is a deliberate myth. In July 1990 the
Auschwitz State Museum in Poland, along with Israel's Yad Vashem
Holocaust Center, suddenly announced that altogether perhaps one
million people (both Jews and non-Jews) died there. Neither
institution would say how many of these people were killed, nor were
any estimates given of the numbers of those supposedly gassed. (note
2) One prominent Holocaust historian, Gerald Reitlinger, has estimated
that perhaps 700,000 or so Jews perished at Auschwitz. More recently,
Holocaust historian Jean-Claude Pressac has estimated that about
800,000 persons-of whom 630,000 were Jewish-perished at Auschwitz.
While even such lower figures are incorrect, they show how the
Auschwitz story has changed drastically over the years. (note 3)
Bizarre tales
At one time it was seriously claimed that Jews were systematically
electrocuted at Auschwitz. American newspapers, citing a Soviet
eyewitness report from liberated Auschwitz, told readers in February
1945 that the methodical Germans had killed Jews there using an
"electric conveyor belt on which hundreds of persons could be
electrocuted simultaneously [and] then moved on into furnaces. They
were burned almost instantly, producing fertilizer for nearby cabbage
fields." (note 4)
And at the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans used a "newly invented" device to
instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." (note 5) No reputable historian
now accepts either of these fanciful tales.
The Höss 'confession'
A key Holocaust document is the "confession" of former Auschwitz
commandant Rudolf Höss of April 5, 1946, which was submitted by the
U.S. prosecution at the main Nuremberg trial. (note 6)
Although it is still widely cited as solid proof for the Auschwitz
extermination story, it is actually a false statement that was
obtained by torture.
Many years after the war, British military intelligence sergeant
Bernard Clarke described how he and five other British soldiers
tortured the former commandant to obtain his "confession." Höss
himself privately explained his ordeal in these words: "Certainly, I
signed a statement that I killed two and half million Jews. I could
just as well have said that it was five million Jews. There are
certain methods by which any confession can be obtained, whether it is
true or not." (note 7)
Even historians who generally accept the Holocaust extermination story
now acknowledge that many of the specific statements made in the Höss
"affidavit" are simply not true. For one thing, no serious scholar now
claims that anything like two and a half or three million people
perished in Auschwitz.
The Höss "affidavit" further alleges that Jews were already being
exterminated by gas in the summer of 1941 at three other camps:
Belzec, Treblinka and Wolzek. The "Wolzek" camp mentioned by Höss is a
total invention. No such camp existed, and the name is no longer
mentioned in Holocaust literature. Moreover, the story these days by
those who believe in the Holocaust legend is that gassings of Jews did
not begin at Auschwitz, Treblinka, or Belzec until sometime in 1942.
No documentary evidence
Many thousands of secret German documents dealing with Auschwitz were
confiscated after the war by the Allies. Not a single one refers to a
policy or program of extermination. In fact, the extermination story
cannot be reconciled with the documentary evidence.
Many Jewish inmates unable to work
For example, it is often claimed that all Jews at Auschwitz who were
unable to work were immediately killed. Jews who were too old, young,
sick, or weak were supposedly gassed on arrival, and only those who
could be worked to death were temporarily kept alive.
But the evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the
Jewish inmates were not able to work, and were nevertheless not
killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4,
1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS
Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of
25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and
that all of the remaining Jewish inmates-some 21,500, or about 86
percent-were unable to work. (note 8)
This is also confirmed in a secret report dated April 5, 1944, on
"security measures in Auschwitz" by Oswald Pohl, head of the SS
concentration camp system, to SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Pohl reported
that there was a total of 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz camp
complex, of whom 18,000 were hospitalized or disabled. In the
Auschwitz II camp (Birkenau), supposedly the main extermination
center, there were 36,000 inmates, mostly female, of whom
"approximately 15,000 are unable to work." (note 9)
These two documents simply cannot be reconciled with the Auschwitz
extermination story.
The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily
as a camp for Jews who were not able to work, including the sick and
elderly, as well as for those who were temporarily awaiting assignment
to other camps. That's the considered view of Dr. Arthur Butz of
Northwestern University, who also says that this was the reason for
the unusually high death rate there. (note 10)
Princeton University history professor Arno Mayer, who is Jewish,
acknowledges in a recent book about the "final solution" that more
Jews perished at Auschwitz as a result of typhus and other "natural"
causes than were executed. (note 11)
Anne Frank
Perhaps the best known Auschwitz inmate was Anne Frank, who is known
around the world for her famous diary. But few people know that
thousands of Jews, including Anne and her father, Otto Frank,
"survived" Auschwitz.
The 15-year-old girl and her father were deported from the Netherlands
to Auschwitz in September 1944. Several weeks later, in the face of
the advancing Soviet army, Anne was evacuated along with many other
Jews to the Bergen-Belsen camp, where she died of typhus in March
1945.
Her father came down with typhus in Auschwitz and was sent to the camp
hospital to recover. He was one of thousands of sick and feeble Jews
who were left behind when the Germans abandoned the camp in January
1945, shortly before it was overrun by the Soviets. He died in
Switzerland in 1980.
If the German policy had been to kill Anne Frank and her father, they
would not have survived Auschwitz. Their fate, tragic though it was,
cannot be reconciled with the extermination story.
Allied propaganda
The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay
statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any
evidence of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because
rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread.
Allied planes dropped large numbers of LEAFLETS , written in Polish
and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that
people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story,
which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort,
was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. (note 12)
Survivor testimony
Former inmates have confirmed that they saw no evidence of
extermination at Auschwitz.
An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp
experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was
interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations
with a Polish forced laborer. On the train trip to the camp, a Gypsy
woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at
Auschwitz.
Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go
into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The
terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then,
instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads.
Auschwitz was no vacation center, Maria confirmed. She witnessed the
death of many fellow inmates by disease, particularly typhus, and
quite a few committed suicide. But she saw no evidence at all of mass
killings, gassings, or of any extermination program. (note 13)
A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from
Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and
cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard
and saw nothing of "gas chambers" during the time she was interned
there. She heard the gassing stories only later. (note 14)
Inmates released
Auschwitz internees who had served their sentences were released and
returned to their home countries. If Auschwitz had actually been a top
secret extermination center, the Germans would certainly not have
released inmates who "knew" what was happening in the camp. (note 15)
Himmler orders death rate reduced
In response to the deaths of many inmates due to disease, especially
typhus, the German authorities responsible for the camps ordered firm
counter-measures.
The head of the SS camp administration office sent a directive dated
Dec. 28, 1942, to Auschwitz and the other concentration camps. It
sharply criticized the high death rate of inmates due to disease, and
ordered that "camp physicians must use all means at their disposal to
significantly reduce the death rate in the various camps."
Furthermore, it ordered:
The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the
nutrition of the prisoners and, in cooperation with the
administration, submit improvement recommendations to the camp
commandants . . . The camp doctors are to see to it that the working
conditions at the various labor places are improved as much as
possible.
Finally, the directive stressed that "the Reichsfhrer SS [Heinrich
Himmler] has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced."
(note 16)
German camp regulations
Official German camp regulations make clear that Auschwitz was not an
extermination center. They ordered: (note 17)
New arrivals in the camp are to be given a thorough medical
examination, and if there is any doubt [about their health], they must
be sent to quarantine for observation.
Prisoners who report sick must be examined that same day by the camp
physician. If necessary, the physician must transfer the prisoners to
a hospital for professional treatment.
The camp physician must regularly inspect the kitchen regarding the
preparation of the food and the quality of the food supply. Any
deficiencies that may arise must be reported to the camp commandant.
Special care should be given in the treatment of accidents, in order
not to impair the full productivity of the prisoners.
Prisoners who are to be released or transfered must first be brought
before the camp physician for medical examination.
Telltale aerial photos
Detailed aerial reconnaissance photographs taken of Auschwitz-Birkenau
on several random days in 1944 (during the height of the alleged
extermination period there) were made public by the CIA in 1979. These
photos show no trace of piles of corpses, smoking crematory chimneys
or masses of Jews awaiting death, things that have been repeatedly
alleged, and all of which would have been clearly visible if Auschwitz
had been the extermination center it is said to have been. (note 18)
Absurd cremation claims
Cremation specialists have confirmed that thousands of corpses could
not possibly have been cremated every day throughout the spring and
summer of 1944 at Auschwitz, as commonly alleged.
For example, Mr. Ivan Lagace, manager of a large crematory in Calgary,
Canada, testified in court in April 1988 that the Auschwitz cremation
story is technically impossible. The allegation that 10,000 or even
20,000 corpses were burned every day at Auschwitz in the summer of
1944 in crematories and open pits is simply "preposterous" and "beyond
the realm of reality," he declared under oath. (note 19)
Gassing expert refutes extermination story
America's leading gas chamber expert, Boston engineer Fred A.
Leuchter, carefully examined the supposed "gas chambers" in Poland and
concluded that the Auschwitz gassing story is absurd and technically
impossible.
Leuchter is the foremost specialist on the design and installation of
gas chambers used in the United States to execute convicted criminals.
For example, he designed a gas chamber facility for the Missouri state
penitentiary.
In February 1988 he carried out a detailed onsite examination of the
"gas chambers" at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek in Poland, which
are either still standing or only partially in ruins. In sworn
testimony to a Toronto court and in a technical report, Leuchter
described every aspect of his investigation.
He concluded by emphatically declaring that the alleged gassing
facilities could not possibly have been used to kill people. Among
other things, he pointed out that the so-called "gas chambers" were
not properly sealed or vented to kill human beings without also
killing German camp personnel. (note 20)
Dr. William B. Lindsey, a research chemist employed for 33 years by
the Dupont Corporation, likewise testified in a 1985 court case that
the Auschwitz gassing story is technically impossible. Based on a
careful on-site examination of the "gas chambers" at Auschwitz,
Birkenau and Majdanek, and on his years of experience, he declared: "I
have come to the conclusion that no one was willfully or purposefully
killed with Zyklon B [hydrocyanic acid gas] in this manner. I consider
it absolutely impossible." (note 21)
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Auschwitz: Myths and facts
by Mark Weber
Nearly everyone has heard of Auschwitz, the German wartime
concentration camp where many prisoners-most of them Jewish-were
reportedly exterminated, especially in gas chambers. Auschwitz is
widely regarded as the most terrible Nazi extermination center. The
camp's horrific reputation cannot, however, be reconciled with the
facts.
Scholars challenge Holocaust story
Astonishing as it may seem, more and more historians and engineers
have been challenging the widely accepted Auschwitz story. These
"revisionist" scholars do not dispute the fact that large numbers of
Jews were deported to the camp, or that many died there, particularly
of typhus and other diseases. But the compelling evidence they present
shows that Auschwitz was not an extermination center and that the
story of mass killings in "gas chambers" is a myth.
The Auschwitz camps
The Auschwitz camp complex was set up in 1940 in what is now
south-central Poland. Large numbers of Jews were deported there
between 1942 and mid-1944.
The main camp was known as Auschwitz I. Birkenau, or Auschwitz II, was
supposedly the main extermination center, and Monowitz, or Auschwitz
III, was a large industrial center where gasoline was produced from
coal. In addition there were dozens of smaller satellite camps devoted
to the war economy.
Four million victims?
At the postwar Nuremberg Tribunal, the Allies charged that the Germans
exterminated four million people at Auschwitz. This figure, which was
invented by the Soviets, was uncritically accepted for many years. It
often appeared in major American newspapers and magazines, for
example. (note 1)
Today no reputable historian, not even those who generally accept the
extermination story, believes this figure. Israeli Holocaust historian
Yehuda Bauer said in 1989 that it is time to finally acknowledge the
familiar four million figure is a deliberate myth. In July 1990 the
Auschwitz State Museum in Poland, along with Israel's Yad Vashem
Holocaust Center, suddenly announced that altogether perhaps one
million people (both Jews and non-Jews) died there. Neither
institution would say how many of these people were killed, nor were
any estimates given of the numbers of those supposedly gassed. (note
2) One prominent Holocaust historian, Gerald Reitlinger, has estimated
that perhaps 700,000 or so Jews perished at Auschwitz. More recently,
Holocaust historian Jean-Claude Pressac has estimated that about
800,000 persons-of whom 630,000 were Jewish-perished at Auschwitz.
While even such lower figures are incorrect, they show how the
Auschwitz story has changed drastically over the years. (note 3)
Bizarre tales
At one time it was seriously claimed that Jews were systematically
electrocuted at Auschwitz. American newspapers, citing a Soviet
eyewitness report from liberated Auschwitz, told readers in February
1945 that the methodical Germans had killed Jews there using an
"electric conveyor belt on which hundreds of persons could be
electrocuted simultaneously [and] then moved on into furnaces. They
were burned almost instantly, producing fertilizer for nearby cabbage
fields." (note 4)
And at the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans used a "newly invented" device to
instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." (note 5) No reputable historian
now accepts either of these fanciful tales.
The Höss 'confession'
A key Holocaust document is the "confession" of former Auschwitz
commandant Rudolf Höss of April 5, 1946, which was submitted by the
U.S. prosecution at the main Nuremberg trial. (note 6)
Although it is still widely cited as solid proof for the Auschwitz
extermination story, it is actually a false statement that was
obtained by torture.
Many years after the war, British military intelligence sergeant
Bernard Clarke described how he and five other British soldiers
tortured the former commandant to obtain his "confession." Höss
himself privately explained his ordeal in these words: "Certainly, I
signed a statement that I killed two and half million Jews. I could
just as well have said that it was five million Jews. There are
certain methods by which any confession can be obtained, whether it is
true or not." (note 7)
Even historians who generally accept the Holocaust extermination story
now acknowledge that many of the specific statements made in the Höss
"affidavit" are simply not true. For one thing, no serious scholar now
claims that anything like two and a half or three million people
perished in Auschwitz.
The Höss "affidavit" further alleges that Jews were already being
Belzec, Treblinka and Wolzek. The "Wolzek" camp mentioned by Höss is a
total invention. No such camp existed, and the name is no longer
mentioned in Holocaust literature. Moreover, the story these days by
those who believe in the Holocaust legend is that gassings of Jews did
not begin at Auschwitz, Treblinka, or Belzec until sometime in 1942.
No documentary evidence
Many thousands of secret German documents dealing with Auschwitz were
confiscated after the war by the Allies. Not a single one refers to a
policy or program of extermination. In fact, the extermination story
cannot be reconciled with the documentary evidence.
Many Jewish inmates unable to work
For example, it is often claimed that all Jews at Auschwitz who were
unable to work were immediately killed. Jews who were too old, young,
sick, or weak were supposedly gassed on arrival, and only those who
could be worked to death were temporarily kept alive.
But the evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the
Jewish inmates were not able to work, and were nevertheless not
killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4,
1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS
Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of
25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and
that all of the remaining Jewish inmates-some 21,500, or about 86
percent-were unable to work. (note 8)
This is also confirmed in a secret report dated April 5, 1944, on
"security measures in Auschwitz" by Oswald Pohl, head of the SS
concentration camp system, to SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Pohl reported
that there was a total of 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz camp
complex, of whom 18,000 were hospitalized or disabled. In the
Auschwitz II camp (Birkenau), supposedly the main extermination
center, there were 36,000 inmates, mostly female, of whom
"approximately 15,000 are unable to work." (note 9)
These two documents simply cannot be reconciled with the Auschwitz
extermination story.
The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily
as a camp for Jews who were not able to work, including the sick and
elderly, as well as for those who were temporarily awaiting assignment
to other camps. That's the considered view of Dr. Arthur Butz of
Northwestern University, who also says that this was the reason for
the unusually high death rate there. (note 10)
Princeton University history professor Arno Mayer, who is Jewish,
acknowledges in a recent book about the "final solution" that more
Jews perished at Auschwitz as a result of typhus and other "natural"
causes than were executed. (note 11)
Anne Frank
Perhaps the best known Auschwitz inmate was Anne Frank, who is known
around the world for her famous diary. But few people know that
thousands of Jews, including Anne and her father, Otto Frank,
"survived" Auschwitz.
The 15-year-old girl and her father were deported from the Netherlands
to Auschwitz in September 1944. Several weeks later, in the face of
the advancing Soviet army, Anne was evacuated along with many other
Jews to the Bergen-Belsen camp, where she died of typhus in March
1945.
Her father came down with typhus in Auschwitz and was sent to the camp
hospital to recover. He was one of thousands of sick and feeble Jews
who were left behind when the Germans abandoned the camp in January
1945, shortly before it was overrun by the Soviets. He died in
Switzerland in 1980.
If the German policy had been to kill Anne Frank and her father, they
would not have survived Auschwitz. Their fate, tragic though it was,
cannot be reconciled with the extermination story.
Allied propaganda
The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay
statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any
evidence of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because
rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread.
Allied planes dropped large numbers of LEAFLETS , written in Polish
and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that
people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story,
which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort,
was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. (note 12)
Survivor testimony
Former inmates have confirmed that they saw no evidence of
extermination at Auschwitz.
An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp
experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was
interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations
with a Polish forced laborer. On the train trip to the camp, a Gypsy
woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at
Auschwitz.
Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go
into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The
terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then,
instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads.
Auschwitz was no vacation center, Maria confirmed. She witnessed the
death of many fellow inmates by disease, particularly typhus, and
quite a few committed suicide. But she saw no evidence at all of mass
killings, gassings, or of any extermination program. (note 13)
A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from
Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and
cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard
and saw nothing of "gas chambers" during the time she was interned
there. She heard the gassing stories only later. (note 14)
Inmates released
Auschwitz internees who had served their sentences were released and
returned to their home countries. If Auschwitz had actually been a top
secret extermination center, the Germans would certainly not have
released inmates who "knew" what was happening in the camp. (note 15)
Himmler orders death rate reduced
In response to the deaths of many inmates due to disease, especially
typhus, the German authorities responsible for the camps ordered firm
counter-measures.
The head of the SS camp administration office sent a directive dated
Dec. 28, 1942, to Auschwitz and the other concentration camps. It
sharply criticized the high death rate of inmates due to disease, and
ordered that "camp physicians must use all means at their disposal to
significantly reduce the death rate in the various camps."
The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the
nutrition of the prisoners and, in cooperation with the
administration, submit improvement recommendations to the camp
commandants . . . The camp doctors are to see to it that the working
conditions at the various labor places are improved as much as
possible.
Finally, the directive stressed that "the Reichsfhrer SS [Heinrich
Himmler] has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced."
(note 16)
German camp regulations
Official German camp regulations make clear that Auschwitz was not an
extermination center. They ordered: (note 17)
New arrivals in the camp are to be given a thorough medical
examination, and if there is any doubt [about their health], they must
be sent to quarantine for observation.
Prisoners who report sick must be examined that same day by the camp
physician. If necessary, the physician must transfer the prisoners to
a hospital for professional treatment.
The camp physician must regularly inspect the kitchen regarding the
preparation of the food and the quality of the food supply. Any
deficiencies that may arise must be reported to the camp commandant.
Special care should be given in the treatment of accidents, in order
not to impair the full productivity of the prisoners.
Prisoners who are to be released or transfered must first be brought
before the camp physician for medical examination.
Telltale aerial photos
Detailed aerial reconnaissance photographs taken of Auschwitz-Birkenau
on several random days in 1944 (during the height of the alleged
extermination period there) were made public by the CIA in 1979. These
photos show no trace of piles of corpses, smoking crematory chimneys
or masses of Jews awaiting death, things that have been repeatedly
alleged, and all of which would have been clearly visible if Auschwitz
had been the extermination center it is said to have been. (note 18)
Absurd cremation claims
Cremation specialists have confirmed that thousands of corpses could
not possibly have been cremated every day throughout the spring and
summer of 1944 at Auschwitz, as commonly alleged.
For example, Mr. Ivan Lagace, manager of a large crematory in Calgary,
Canada, testified in court in April 1988 that the Auschwitz cremation
story is technically impossible. The allegation that 10,000 or even
20,000 corpses were burned every day at Auschwitz in the summer of
1944 in crematories and open pits is simply "preposterous" and "beyond
the realm of reality," he declared under oath. (note 19)
Gassing expert refutes extermination story
America's leading gas chamber expert, Boston engineer Fred A.
Leuchter, carefully examined the supposed "gas chambers" in Poland and
concluded that the Auschwitz gassing story is absurd and technically
impossible.
Leuchter is the foremost specialist on the design and installation of
gas chambers used in the United States to execute convicted criminals.
For example, he designed a gas chamber facility for the Missouri state
penitentiary.
In February 1988 he carried out a detailed onsite examination of the
"gas chambers" at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek in Poland, which
are either still standing or only partially in ruins. In sworn
testimony to a Toronto court and in a technical report, Leuchter
described every aspect of his investigation.
He concluded by emphatically declaring that the alleged gassing
facilities could not possibly have been used to kill people. Among
other things, he pointed out that the so-called "gas chambers" were
not properly sealed or vented to kill human beings without also
killing German camp personnel. (note 20)
Dr. William B. Lindsey, a research chemist employed for 33 years by
the Dupont Corporation, likewise testified in a 1985 court case that
the Auschwitz gassing story is technically impossible. Based on a
careful on-site examination of the "gas chambers" at Auschwitz,
Birkenau and Majdanek, and on his years of experience, he declared: "I
have come to the conclusion that no one was willfully or purposefully
killed with Zyklon B [hydrocyanic acid gas] in this manner. I consider
it absolutely impossible." (note 21)
www.ihr.org
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/
http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
Rare Russian footage of Auschwitz and a camp where people's hair was shaved
off to make pillows and mattresses. Less than 10% of the prisoners were of
Jewish descent, and a majority of the 10% of Jewish descent were Christians
because both the Lutherans and the Catholics in Germany, betrayed Christians
of Jewish descent by opening their Church records to the Nazis for finding
any Christian of Jewish descent.




To top it all off, the East German Pope, and the last Polish Communist Pope,
encouraged some to invest in both sides of all the conflicts in the Middle
East now, and is deliberately turning them against one another just like the
Pope did in WW2.

The UN and NATO and G-8 leaders have taken to themselves lethal powers, and
they take lethal actions, both of which the majority of the Peoples in the
Nations that they represent object to, making the UN and NATO and the G-8
unjust powers, whom have not derived just powers from the consent of the
Peoples Governed.

When has any of your so called Representatives ever fully informed you of
all sides of any issue, and accepted your opinion or proposed solution on
the issue, before casting a lethal vote on the issue at the UN and NATO and
G-8 Government levels?

The National Representatives of the UN and NATO and G-8 Government levels
do not represent the Peoples in their Nations, they represent Global
Financers and Global Corporations.

In NATO instead of designing our Factories with the dual purpose of a
sustainable rate of Civilian Industrial Enterprise and National Industrial
Defense in times of peace, and a sustainable rate of Civilian Industrial
Enterprise and a sustainable stepped up rate of National Industrial Defense
in a time of War, they separated Civilian Industrial Enterprise capabilities
from National Industrial Defense capabilities, so that during the Arms Race
with the Soviet Union, the National Industrial Defense Complexes grew at a
rate that would not be sustainable in a time of peace, so that the Rulers
and Business leaders of the National Industrial Defense Complexes, instead
of having a sustainable rate of Civilian Industrial Enterprise to fall back
on to keep themselves and their people employed, just because the National
Industrial Defense Complexes are all that they have to keep themselves and
their people employed, they became deceitful and greedy at the expense of
the life and liberty of others, and they invent and instigate conflicts in
times of peace, just so that they can have an Arms Market to help them keep
their unsustainable and unneeded stepped up rate of National Industrial
Defense Complexes in times of peace. And as a results, building and
maintaining an unsustainable and unneeded stepped up rate of massive Defense
Road Systems, and building and maintaining an unsustainable and unneeded
stepped up rate of massive National Industrial Defense Complexes, and
building and maintaining an unsustainable and unneeded stepped up rate of
massive Armed Forces, have become the normal way of life for our Greedy
Rulers and Businessmen even in a time of peace, just like it was for Adolph
Hitler and his Businessmen.

In times of peace and in times of war, to save the innocent from dying of
starvation and disease and homelessness in undeveloped countries, they do
not need just temporary handouts of food and medicines and clothes and
blankets, they need infrastructures built that will enable them to develop
modern power plants, desalination plants, modern hospitals, modem schools,
and modern libraries, all with modern communications, and agriculture, and
fisheries, transportation, housing, and factories, so that they can become
able to feed and care for and clothe and house themselves.

But because the Greedy Rulers and Businessmen of the UN and NATO and G-8
want their Coal and Oil and Resources, they will not let them develop. And
they say we are giving them aide, but just like under the UN Oil for Food
program for Iraq, the people do not get the aide that they need in time, and
as I write, many are still starving and dying.

And who gets their Coal and Oil and Resources? Financial Contributors and
Guides to the UN and NATO and G-8 Rulers.



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National Security update!

Because truth sometimes affects public opinion negatively towards the
messenger, you will find that Politicians, Officials, Religious Rulers, and
Scientists, and Educators, and the Medias, that work in these fields to get
gains of money, and or popularity, and or political influence, are reluctant
to reveal the truth about some things, just because it could affect
their bottom line, or someone is pressuring or paying them to keep quiet
about the truth of some of these things, so that they may make gains off the
Public's ignorance on a subject. Well because I have no desire to be
popular, or to get money from anyone for what I say or do, not being
motivated by money or pressure from others, you will find my research and
presentation of some subjects are a lot different than their's and their so
called professionals in these fields, but watch how they try to adjust to
the results of my research and presentation of these subjects, so that they
may make gains somehow anyway that they can.

Between 21.000 to 31,000 feet there is enough moisture there at times, and
it is cold enough there that Jet Vapor Trails can form an Ice Crystal Cirrus
Cloud that does not disappear like the Jet Vapor Trails that temporarily
form in the Dry Stratosphere above about 31,000 feet. Communist
Environmental
Groups that wanting to destroy Western Technology and Power, so they can
take us over, are trying to convince people otherwise.

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They want you to think that the two US Political Parties are not one Party,
and if you find out the truth that they have became one party with two
different names, they want you to think that it was because they became Neo
Nazi Communists, because of the Leftwing Jews and the Rightwing
Evangelicals, when in reality they all have been played as fools, and were
deliberately deceived to form a puppet Government for the Catholics, just
like they formed in Nazi Germany.

Most of the Rulers that have taken over the Catholic Church, the UN, NATO,
and the US Government, even when they tell the truth about life, the actions
of their organizations and policies will not line up with their words, and
because of their actions and or their inactions, many people starve, and
many people die, and when point that out, they will pretend that they don't
know what is going on, saying that they will investigate it, and solve the
problem, but no matter what solution that they come up with, nothing
changes, and because of their actions and or their inactions, many people
still starve, and many people still die.

Because I am near blind and near deaf much of the time, I make typing
errors, but because it is a matter life and death to so many people, I
struggle with my disabilities, and correct some of my typing errs that I
find in some of my writings, and because I see many things and hear many
things, but am bind and deaf not hearkening to most things, I add some
details that I left out, and repost it for you, so that some may see the
truth, that will truly help them bring to themselves freedom, so that they
may truly help those still bound in bondage and are in need.

Even though some people are going to get upset by what I am going to say,
and many of them will spin diverse lies against the truth to try to deceive
others, and some of them will even rise in hate and hurt others who believe
or who are just finding the truth, I will lead the way by seeking the truth
moment by moment from my friends above me, and energized by their love for
me, I will tell the truth to all that I can, for I know that if you continue
in our words, you will acquaint the truth, and the truth shall make you
free, and you shall be free indeed.


Because many of these Environmental and Religious Groups that began before
and or during and or just after the Cold War, are just Political groups
using Political Propaganda, so that they can overthrow just Governments, and
their Propaganda is not based on any accurate scientific data, and or on any
accurate true religious doctrine, or on any true acquaintance with God, and
they cannot help the environment or others with their proposals, or save
your souls with their religious doctrines or their religious ceremonies,
which their political and science and religious belief systems lead people
away from God, and into bondage, because they are often just Political scams
to get Tax Monies and Donations, so that it will help them lure and bind
people making them dependant on them, by destroying their self sufficiency
and destroying the Economy to keep you reliant upon them, I give you some
background of Politics and Religion that led to these current events, and I
give you some actual science tests that you can run and see for yourself
that many of the Politicians and Environmental groups and Religious Groups
and their so called Scientists are lying, and until you run some actual
scientific tests to see who is lying, perhaps you could stop trying to help
them confuse people, by stopping yourself from repeating their Political and
Religious Propaganda, and lies.


This clip is of Al Gore and WMD in Iraq, he was wrong on WMD in Iraq, and he
is wrong on Climate change for exactly the same reason, it is lies called
Propaganda that Governments spin, and tell, to sway the public to support
their jailing, enslaving, and killing, and robbing of innocent people.
Post by Topaz
You have to watch the entire clip - it is unbelieveable!
http://blackandright.mensnewsdaily.com/2007/06/12/al-gores-memory-challenge/
I have been trying to tell you guys all along, the Communists used the State
of Israel and the Catholic Church to get at the Tax and Spend Democrats, so
that they could feed the Borrow until Economic Collapse Republicans false
information on WMD in Iraq, because the Communists convinced some of the
leading Democrats that the War With Iraq would discredit the Republicans and
the Democrats could regain power. But the move discredited the USA, and
discouraged and stopped most of the Nations of the world from helping us
find and capture the likes of Bin Laden, because the Catholics want the Jews
and Muslims to kill each other off, and the Communist deception put the USA
in an incredible deficit, to help the Communists destroy our Economy so that
they can take us over from within.

Only 10% of the prisoners in Nazi Concentration camps were considered of
Jewish descent, and were not necessarily of the antichrist Jewish faith.
Germany at one time was mostly Lutheran, and Martin Luther believed the head
of the Church should be the head of State, and Hitler was merging the state
with the Lutherans as a state religion with the Popes Blessings, because
that is a form of Communism all the Popes want for themselves, but choose to
use puppet Governments to accomplish it so that they can distance themselves
from the dirty deeds, and the number of active Catholics were out numbering
active Lutherans for the first time in a long time, so that any critics of
the Catholics were marked as insane, and were sent to the concentration
camps. Any Lutheran or Catholic that was of Jewish decent was marked with a
star of David along with people of the Jewish Religion, so the majority of
the people marked as Jews were Christians. There were basically only two
political parties when the rise of Hitler began, a conservative fascist
rightwing, and a liberal communist leftwing, and the majority of the Jews
and Catholics were Communists on the leftwing, and the majority of the
Protestants were on the rightwing, just like in the USA now. The Promotion
of the Two Marys by the News medias was an attempt by the Catholics to get
the Jews and the Evangelicals to see their view, and join the puppet
Government against the Muslims, just like they influenced the Lutherans to
do in Germany, so that they could destroy the Lutherans and Jews together,
only now it is to destroy the Jews, Evangelicals and Muslims together. In
Germany all Criminals and Political Opponents eventually after Hitler rose,
left the country or went to the concentration camps as slave labor, and they
put prisoners in charge of the prisoners, and the antichrist Jews were the
most ruthless rulers over the Christens of Jewish descent, and the Political
opponents of Hitler, and the Gypsies, and the Homosexuals, and the Common
Criminals.

WW2 Religions from an Atheist slant of propaganda, he tries to blame all
Christians for the Nazi Catholics mistakes, but shows how the Protestants
gave up fellow Christians of Jewish descent, just like many of the Nazi
Catholics did.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/ChurchesWWII.htm#anchor2

Description of what led to the final solution, which did not just pertain to
people of Jewish descent, but to the other 90% of the prisoners too.

http://cghs.dadeschools.net/ib_holocaust2001/Final_Solution/organization/final_solution_organization.htm

(There are a lot of actual videos of prisoners in the concentration camps,
and notice that very few or none in most of the videos are wearing a star of
David, and that supports the records of eyewitnesses that say only about 10%
were of Jewish descent, and many of that 10% were Christians with Jewish
descent. Here is a link where you will find many actual videos that have no
propaganda in them, and documentaries that have propaganda in them.
)

When Hitler rose to power, which of the two Political Points of View did the
current Pope take back then, the conservative fascists, or the liberal
communists? Pope John Paul was from Communist Poland, was he a conservative
fascists, or the liberal communists?

Under the influence of the Communists, Al Gore cannot walk up a Mountains
and check the air composition to see what the level of He, N2 and O2, Carbon
and Sulfur, CO2 and CFCs, is in the air every 500 feet in altitude, and find
out why full grown trees are shorter higher up than at the Mountain's base,
and he cannot find out why trees cannot grow above a certain altitude. Under
the influence of the Communists, Al Gore cannot figure out that because CO2
is heavier than O2, gravity will not permit enough CO2 to rise high enough
for trees to grow on mountain tops, and under the influence of the
Communists, Al Gore cannot figure out that CFCs are heavier than CO2, and
cannot ascend to the upper Dry Stratosphere where CO2 and H2O is too heavy
to ascend that high, so that it would be impossible for CFCs to ascend to
the Ozone Layer and destroy it. Under the influence of the Communists, Al
Gore has to promote the lies of the Communists Scientists who formed the
IPCC in 1988 and took over the UN and the US Government and even testified
to and persuaded the Pope to be on their side against the Christian
Scientists.

Hey Al Gore and you environmental political nuts, instead of helping the
Communists destroy and overthrow our Government with your fake Family
Values, why not take and add up the weights of the Atoms for yourself, and
see that one Chlorine Atom (Atomic weight 35.4,) alone, is heaver than H2O
(Molecular Atomic weight 18,) which one Chlorine Atom cannot exist alone in
nature for long, and the diatomic Chlorine green gas molecule (Molecular
Atomic weight 70.8) is heavier than CO2, (Molecular Atomic weight 44,) and
that is why Chlorine ends up in salts in the oceans, instead of rising to
the stratosphere?

Here is some more info on tests to run, if you choose a mountain next to LA,
why can the Smog not rise high enough to get over the mountains, and just
hangs there over the city, and along the coasts until lower forming clouds
hall it away to make acid rains? Because only NO can make it to the top of
the mountain range, and O3 (Molecular Atomic weight 48) and NO2 (Molecular
Atomic weight 46) and NO3 (Molecular Atomic weight 62) and NO4 (Molecular
Atomic weight 78) and SO (Molecular Atomic weight 48) and SO2 (Molecular
Atomic weight 64) are too heavy, so very little of any of these, if any of
these, can make it to the top of the mountain range, and no CFCs rise as
high as the Mountain peaks, because the CFCs are heavier than these Ozone
and Nitrogen Oxide and Sulfur Oxide Molecules, and these form Cloud
Condensation Nuclei where in the H2O they form with excited Hydrogen Atoms
to produce heavier Acid Molecules for Acid Rains downwind from the Cities
where they are formed. (As an experienced Nuclear Biological and Chemical
Warfare Instructor, I studied Weather Patterns and Terrain Patterns looking
for places where enemy traps could be set up, where they could deploy
Chemical and or Biological Weapons with the best effectiveness, and the
Weather Patterns and Terrain Patterns around LA make it an Ideal Target for
the Chemical and or Biological Warfare Agents, if they can disperse enough
of it into the air, because the Warfare Agents are heavier than Smog, and
would cling in heavier concentration closer to the ground in LA than Smog,
with the mountains blocking them in, and no wind to blow them away, it could
cause a lot of damage and loss of life. The Military Intelligence Agencies
were aware of that vulnerability of the Californian Coast early on in the
Cold War, and because the population and residential areas have now changed
since then, how they are set up now to adjust and defend the Californian
Coast against Chemical and or Biological Warfare Agents, that I am not sure
of now, and they and they hews medias should keep that as secret as possible
so as not to tip our enemies off to our current defense, for they had
defense plans coving it in WW2 too, that our enemies know about, so we
frequently change plans to throw them off guard. That situation in LA and
the Californian Coast is also why the insurgents in Iraq are attempting to
use Chlorine Trucks as Bombs in Iraq in some places, because Deadly Diatomic
Green Chlorine Gas is heavy, and clings to the ground, and in the right
Terrain on a windless day, if in a high enough concentration in a
concentrated population area, it could cause a lot of damage and loss of
life, like what happened to the Kurds.)

From the ground up to about 31,000 feet is called the Troposphere, and from
about 31,000 to about 160,000 is called the Stratosphere.

Between 21.000 to 31,000 feet there is enough moisture there at times, and
it is cold enough there that Jet Vapor Trails can form an Ice Crystal Cirrus
Cloud that does not disappear like the Jet Vapor Trails that temporarily
form in the Dry Stratosphere above about 31,000 feet. Communist
Environmental
Groups that wanting to destroy Western Technology and Power, so they can
take us over, are trying to convince people otherwise.

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Above 23,000 feet in the Troposphere, lower than 31,000 feet where the
Stratosphere begins, Cirrus Ice Crystal Clouds form both naturally from
Heavier Molecules formed in the middle about 52,000 feet to upper about
160,000 feet Stratosphere from light Atoms, and from manmade Molecules
formed in the upper Troposphere at 23,000 to 31,0000 feet, and forming short
lived manmade Stratospheric Clouds as Vapor Trails in the lower Dry
Stratosphere at 31,000 to 52,000 feet, there is not enough water there to
form a longer lasing Ice Crystal Clouds, just enough water forms by the
burning of the Fuels to form a short live Vapor Trail, (Even though some
of our best Jets cannot go that high, I will use 52,000 feet because it is a
Military secret how high our best jets can fly because of how they overcome
the lower density of air needed for lift on the wings at that altitude, and
how they over come the too low of an amount of oxygen needed for air
breathing Jet Engines to burn fuel, ) and if any manmade event is having any
effect on the Weather Patterns anywhere, Jets and Planes flying above 23,000
feet are doing it, because they try to fly 30,000 to 52,000 feet to get over
the stronger turbulence zones that starts and varies from ground level up
to an altitude of about 23,000 feet, but it is doubtful that manmade vapor
trails are causing Global Climate Change, because the exact same gases
formed by the exothermic reactions of Air and Fuel in Air Berating Engines
of Jet and Plane as exhaust, that is used by nature as manmade Cloud
Condensation Nuclei to form manmade vapor trails, these same gases are
produced many times more abundantly by nature in the middle about 52,000
feet to the upper about 160,000 feet Stratosphere by the Sun's different
wavelengths of Light, and Earth's Magnetic Field, as naturally made Cloud
Condensation Nuclei that descends by Gravity to the Troposphere blow 31,000
feet, every moment of every day, and without them naturally forming for H2O
to condense on when they sink by Gravity to the Troposphere, there would be
no Clouds forming anywhere to give us rain and snow for plants and fresh
drinking water cattle and wildlife and us, and our Aircraft would not be
able to fly as high as they do.

When some scientists figured out how Clouds form naturally, and saw how
man's aircraft duplicate the natural process in a small degree, they came
up with a limited way of producing some manmade clouds for manmade rain when
the right conditions existed, and when the scientists showed it to their
Rulers, the Nations that found it, made it a Military Secret, and some of
the Rulers of the Nations decided to use the Ignorance of the Public, to
deceive them into helping them make a profit for themselves, and for
enslaving others, and they are deliberately deceiving, and or bribing, and
or blackmailing, other Rulers and Businessmen and Scientists and Citizens,
to help them.

In an area where a concentration of Air craft Flights over 23,000 feet are
affecting local Weather Patterns by seeding the atmosphere with manmade
Cloud Condensation Nuclei, it is like seeding clouds with frozen CO2, called
Dry Ice to form Carbonic Acid, as Cloud Condensation Nuclei to cause a local
rain under the right conditions. Enough CO2 normally does not ascend that
high to form natural Cloud Condensation Nuclei from Carbonic Acid because
of Gravity, but Dry Ice acts like the naturally formed Heavier Molecules
that form other Acids as Cloud Condensation Nuclei, except clouds seeded
with Dry Ice the Clouds form around the Carbonic Acid as Cloud Condensation
Nuclei. So if it is a problem in a local area, to stop Air Traffic from
affecting local Weather Patterns, all that the Air Traffic Controllers would
have to do, is ban flights over 23,000 feet that affect the area by the
manmade Cloud Condensation Nuclei, causing the manmade Weather Patterns, and
local Weather Patterns would turn back to natural Weather Patterns.

The lie about CFCs was produced by the Communists so they could keep
refrigerators away from undeveloped countries, so that they could keep them
developing infrastructure and keep them dependant on them feeding them with
handouts, as hand fed slaves. The Elite and Rulers of Great Britain adopted
the lie for their own Coal and Oil and Recourse Profits, and soon the Elite
and Rulers of the US and the Elite and the Rulers of the UN did too, so
that they can control the would population, as they decide who lives and who
dies, in undeveloped Nations, so that they can take their Coal and Oil and
Resources for the G-7 Nations which became the G-8 with Russia. It is funny
that two different people showed me Russian and Chinese Military Documents,
that both said that they were instructing their comrades on how to use the
lies about CFCs to keep masses of people under control, as hand fed slave
labor.


Add up the Molecular Atomic Masses yourself, and run the experiments that I
mentioned, and also don't rely on their remote censoring devices, and get
some accurate samples from every 500 feet of altitude in the lower and
middle and upper stratosphere, and test them yourself, you will see that
they are all lying about CFCs destroying the Ozone Layer, and they are lying
about CO2 causing Global Warming.(They could not give me an accurate enough
spectroscopes to detect roadside bombs, and I could not develop the ones
that they have to be accurate enough to detect roadside bombs, and as remote
censoring devices for atmospheric composition, I found most of them to be
less than 20% accurate, some near 55% to 60% accurate.)

http://www.noblemind.com/search.exe?keyword=Elements+Alphabetical+Listing&var=2

What was hidden from the Public by another Ruler, is the same things that
are hidden from the Public today by our rulers.

Bush and the Tax and Spend Democrats and the Borrow until Economic Collapse
Republicans hearkened to false Jews and false Christians, and deceived the
Public with a choice between two evils on state ballots, to outlaw the
sanctified marriages of the God of Abraham, who sanction the marriages of
Moses, Jacob, David, Solomon, and others, being sanctified marriages of one
man married to multiple women as one wife, and Bush and the Tax and Spend
Democrats and the Borrow until Economic Collapse Republicans deceived the
Public to persecute true Jews and true Christians that believe the truth,
the same way Hitler deceived the Public to do, as they divided the one
nation under God and bought the wrath of the unbelieving upon the believing
whom are justified by God, not by man's law or religions.


Like Hitler robbed the gold from the physically and mentally disabled in the
Catholic insane asylums and nursing homes of Nazi Germany, because they
spoke out against the abuse of the Catholic Doctors, their only crime, they
were not Catholic, and having committed no crime either, the Tax and Spend
Democrats and the Borrow until Economic Collapse Republicans hearkened to
false Jews and false Christians and Atheists, as Doctors, to count their
critics as insane, and take away their liberties by accusations of being
delusional, as the Doctors make monies from the Government for expensive and
dangerous and deadly mind control drugs.

Rare Russian footage of Russians who were stripped, and their hair was
shaved off to make pillows and mattresses, and the good looking women were
raped, and then murdered.

http://youtu.be/wVz8gFPtfw0

Like Hitler's Doctors caused what they told the Public was Iatrogenic
Illnesses and Iatrogenic Deaths, the Borrow until Economic Collapse
Republicans hearkened to false Jews and false Christians and Atheists, as
Doctors, who claim they are preventing epidemics, as they cause epidemics
of Autistic Children by their vaccines and drugs, as they cause damage to
the long term heath of the Public by their vaccines and drugs, as multitudes
die prematurely all across the USA.

Like Hitler's Judges, the Borrow until Economic Collapse Republicans
hearkened to false Jews and false Christians and Atheists, as Judges who
blindly apply the Law, so that all that oppose them are counted as criminals
and insane and dangerous even though they committed no crime, their liberty
is taken away.

Like Hitler's Jailers, who jailed those Christians and Gypsies who were not
Catholics with Jews, and the Guards turned the jailed Jews against the
jailed Christians and Gypsies, who were killed first, often by the jailed
Jews trying to buy more time for themselves, the Borrow until Economic
Collapse Republicans hearkened to false Jews and false Christians and
Atheists, as Jailers who allow abuse from prisoners against one another, and
they keep track of it, so that when they have a Political or Religious
prisoner that want to get rid of, they may jail them among their enemies,
and say like many Nazi Guards said, they said, "We were just common Guards
or just common Soldiers, the prisoners did it to each other."

This ballot gives you the right to choose between two evils, which do you
consider to be the lesser of the two evils?

Caught between the Turf Wars of Legal Corporate Iatrogenic enslaving
Medications, and Illegal Street enslaving Iatrogenic Medications,
so that either side that we choose we will become Iatrogenic Slaves owned by
our Drug Dealers, so which of the two groups of Iatrogenic Medical Slave
Masters, are the lesser of the two evils?

Lets see, if you choose the Legal Corporate Iatrogenic Slave Masters, and
stop taking their Legal Iatrogenic Medicines that enslave you, they scream
that, "you are crazy," and can lock you up, and force the Legal Iatrogenic
Medicines upon you to keep you enslaved!

But if you choose the Illegal Street Iatrogenic Slave Masters, and stop
taking their Illegal Iatrogenic Medicines that enslave you, they scream, "No
don't go," and to try to keep you enslaved, they say, "I will give you a
free hit if you stay," but if you don't accept it, they can not lock you up,
and you are no longer enslaved, your are free!

Are you ready to Vote?

But wait a minute, didn't we have the right to choose the 13th Amendment,
just so that we could be free from Slavery? Did you guys forget to tell
these people that run our Society this way, about the accomplishments of the
Civil War? Oh wait, because of the Drugs that they forced upon me, I forgot
all about that guy that took the Presidency! Lets see, what was his name?

Was it George? Or was it Mud?

Us Iatrogenic Medical Slaves, say to our Slave Masters, give us Liberty, or
give us death!

For you deliberately conspired to do this thing, and you are now in
violation of the 13th Amendment of our US Constitution!

To the dishonest and greedy Racketeering US Doctors and US Medical Staff and
US Drug Manufactures and US Officials.

As an experienced registered informant for the Criminal Investigation
Department, of the United States Army, it is doing my Duty to my God, and to
my Country, as I secretly pretend to be one of them, and stand face to face
with Domestic Criminals and Foreign Enemies, going along with whatever
interests and activities the Domestic Criminals or Foreign Enemies, have
busied themselves with, as I secretly suck up all the information, and
gather all the evidence that I can, about their interests and activities,
and then I report of their interests and activities, and give the evidence
to the loyal among the US Government.

We are members of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm. The unarmed underground
Civil American Liberties Militia. We are made up of mostly likeminded US
Military Veterans that are spread across the entire USA, and some abroad,
secretly doing our Duty to our God, and to our County! We have no
membership, we are all Volunteers, and we do not expect any pay for our Duty
that we daily do, working separately to bring about our joint effort of
defending our Families and our Country, by exercising the Rights that we
serve our God and our Country to defend, against all our common Enemies,
Foreign and Domestic.

We have found that most Politicians and Judges and Lawyers and Police
Officers and the Media and the Public, do not even know what an Iatrogenic
Illness is! And we have found that some of you have deliberately taken
advantage of their ignorance, and you have conspired to use your Freedom to
say whatever you want to say, to influence and help them design and set up
our Hospitals and our Clinics and our Courts, just so that some of you can
try to get away with producing Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses. Just so that
you can make a Wealthy Lifestyle for yourselves, as you continue getting
paid for causing the Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses as Slave Masters of
Iatrogenic Medical Slavery! And we have found that many of you are
influencing or buying out the judgment of the FDA, or Politicians, or other
Officials, or of the Media, just to get them to approve and support the use
of Drugs, that often cause more harm than good, because they were developed
to make you the Slave Masters, and the Slave Owners, of those that you
deliberately targeted and bound in your Iatrogenic Medical Slavery!

Some of the Medications used for producing Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses, are
not used for the category of Mental Illnesses, but are not cures of
sicknesses, they are classified as Treatments for Chronic Sicknesses. But a
majority of the Medications used for producing Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses,
are used for the category of what they call Chronic Mental Illnesses. And we
have found that you have even been using the Mass Media, to play upon
people's ignorance of Mental Illnesses, to build fear in them, as you build
prejudice in them, so that you can motivate them to do your dirty works at
your will. And we found some of you have been deliberately brainwashing our
society for a long time, to get them to blindly support, and to blindly
follow along with your scam of Medical Racketeering. And out of their
ignorance of Mental Illnesses, and the fears that you gave them, you have
tricked them into giving you the authority to use force, even upon those
whom you falsely claim have a Dangerous Mental Illness. And out of their
ignorance of Mental Illnesses, and the fears that you gave them, you have
built prejudice in them, and often motivate them by your influence over the
collective social group, to use intimidation, as a fear factor, upon those
who you falsely claim need your Medications, that cause Iatrogenic
Illnesses. And some of you are deliberately abusing the authority to use
force, as you force upon people ignorant of Mental Illnesses, Medications
that cause Iatrogenic Illnesses, just so that you can enslave them in your
Iatrogenic Medical Slavery.

I have the Detailed Documentation of what they are planning and doing,
enough to get thousands of convictions, does anyone want it?



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Previous Letter to the President

Mr. President and Mr. Vice President

The Secret of the Rosary

We did not give Saddam Chemical Weapons. Follow this background, and it will
show you what is going on.

The Old hardliner European Communists united with the Asian Communists, and
they have been studying the Religions and Secular Groups for years, to see
how they could use them to overthrow NATO, and they have infiltrated the
Catholics, the Evangelicals, the Church of England, the Muslims, and the
State of Israel, and Secular Groups, and the Communists are leading them by
their own desirers and greed for power, using them to destroy and overthrow
the Governments of the Western Nations from within.

During WW2, the arch enemies of the Catholics, the Lutherans, and the Church
of England, and the Evangelicals, and the Jews, and the Gypsies, and the
Muslims, and Buddhists, and Atheists, among England, and Germany, and Italy,
and Japan, and Poland, and the Communist Nations, were turned one against
the other by the Pope, and to throw the blame on someone else, the Catholics
wanted the world to believe that it was just a Political Nazi thing, and
that all that they were killing was Jews, and the Catholics got 60 Million
Lutherans, and followers of the Church of England, and the Evangelicals, and
the Jews, and the Gypsies, and the Muslims, and Buddhists, and Atheists,
among Germany and Italy and Japan and Poland and the Communist Nations
Killed.

Notice who died in the Concentration Camps and Insane Asylums. (Many of the
Insane Asylums and Nursing Homes in Europe that became Concentration Camps,
were owned and run by Catholics, and the people were counted insane and were
admitted and locked up for the safety of the Public, most just because of
their Political, and or Religious, and or Non-Religious, Behaviors. Notice
Catholic Critics were on the extermination Lists,
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/places/germany/euthanasia/ftp.py?places/germany/euthanasia//14f13.01
This was because though Germany was largely a Lutheran Nation for many
years, the Lutherans numbers were dwindling and many of them were inactive
in their Church, and Catholics began to dominate society, so criticizing
Catholics had become considered bad behavior because of the growing Catholic
Influence.)








Notice they call him Hitler's Pope, and the Pope's words did not match his
actions, because it was just his own propaganda to keep himself and the
Catholics looking clean, while writing off all the influence he used to stir
up the War as Nazi and communist propaganda, because he listened to and
encouraged both Hitler and the Communists, so that the Pope could destroy
the German Lutherans and the Jews and the rest of his enemies together.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0028.html



The Catholics are leading the Jews to War in Palestine and Lebanon, and an
Inevitable War with Iran to try to destroy as many of them as possible.

"Since 1993 I have been warning that Iran is the only enemy that poses an
existential threat to Israel."

A quote from- Maj. Gen. Efraim Sneh former Israeli deputy defense minister

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/8/9/93736.shtml?s=lh


Notice that since 1993 he did not believe Iraq posed an existential threat
to Israel. Why? He knew then that Iraq had no WMD left.

Pope John Paul the 2nd, has just been blowing the devils smoke at the House
of Joseph, the heir by birthright of the House of Israel, and had his people
influencing the conflict between Israel and the Muslims in Iraq.

The Polish Pope John Paul the 2nd, had many more followers that dwindled
down to a number of 300,000 thousand followers in Iraq by 9-11, and these
wanted no contact with American Christians like the Evangelical Pat Robison,
and Pope John Paul the 2nd had followers in all the States that gave false
intelligence reports about WMD in Iraq to Western Intelligence Agencies, as
many of his followers follow his predecessor's advice since before the Fall
of the USSR, to invest in both Western and Eastern Industrial Military and
Medical and Educational and Media Complexes, and like the Communists, their
aim is to use the State of Israel to gain Political Power over the US, but
the Catholics want to use the State of Israel and the Jews to destroy the
Muslims.

We did not give Saddam Chemical Weapons. Saddam had no conventional weapons
factories, and bought all his weapons from the Soviet Union. The Chemical
shells and warheads that he used against Iran and the Kurds were all made in
the Old Soviet Union, and all his conventional weapons too. Saddam's
Chemical Weapons were used up against Iran, except for old useless corroded
shells and warheads that could not be used. Saddam led UN inspectors to
them, to get them to destroy them, while he blocked inspections else where
so he could make his enemies think he still had WMD, that way Iran and the
Kurds would not be likely to attack him. and so he could use the sanctions
as power and an excuse to starve any Iraqis that still stood with the US
from during the Iraq Iran War.

We only gave Iraq a few dual use Biological Agents that the Pentagon later
claimed was the Basis of Iraq's Biological Warfare program, and because
making conventional weapons was too hard for Saddam, he realized the
aluminum tubes and equipment he bought for a Nuclear program would be
useless to him, so under secret Russian escort he sold his Nuclear program
to Libya in 1993. And this is why Maj. Gen. Efraim Sneh, the former Israeli
deputy defense minister, did not mention Iraq as a threat to Israel, even
though the US and Britain and Israel promoted Saddam as such a threat to
Israel, falsely saying it was because of his WMD programs, they were keeping
Saddam pinned down with no fly zones since 1991.


The Communists in Albania, Kosovo, Chechnya, etc, and Israel, baited the
US's and Britain's greed for Oil and their need for a new Weapons Market,
with false Intelligence reports on WMD in Iraq, because they knew that
NATO's Industrial Western Military Complexes were going broke because of the
end of the Cold War, and new that they could finance and use the Industrial
Western Military Complexes, to draw us into an expensive War that would help
the European communists and Asian Communists destroy our credibility and our
Economy, by coaxing the US and Britain to want to target all the countries
of the Fallen USSR, and do away with their Old Soviet conventional Weapons
and replace them with NATO weapons. That is what the Middle East conflicts
and the new Missile defense system is all about.

It is all about Oil and keeping NATO's Industrial Western Military Complexes
making money. The Financers of the Industrial Western Military Complexes had
the Government take the US off the gold standard as the USSR fell, why? They
saw that the Industrial Western Military Complexes would need to cut back on
expenses because of the end of the Arms Race with the USSR. Without the Arms
Race they need to pay slave wages to keep the Industrial Western Military
Complexes in businesses.

The Catholics and the European and Asian Communists using the State of
Israel have both the Tax and Spend Democrats and the Borrow until Economic
Collapse Republicans holding on to a new model to build on so that they can
get more of their Agents into the US and overthrow our Country from within.
They want to attract the more intelligent minds from around the world and
make America the New Dubai, because that is how they built Dubai. But to do
that for America will mean displacing or blocking out three fourths of the
population like Dubai did also, because that three fourths of the population
cannot afford to live there.

So at best what they are going to do for America, is widen the gap between
the rich and the poor, and make areas where only the rich can afford to
live, and make ghettos for the poor that could become infested with street
gangs, but wait, that is what they have already done, so why are they just
going to make it worse? Do you know why so many working Middle class and
working poor are defaulting on loans and or cannot afford a home? They took
us off the Gold standard to make us slaves.

$19.14 an hour with Gold at $670 an ounce, is the same buying power as the
minimum wage of $1.00 with Gold at $35.27 in 1960. The slave Masters just
want more slaves.

The Deceived Rulers of the UN and G-8, as leaders of their dream new world
order, they are deciding who will live in their new world order, and who
will die, and are even using a lie that Global Warming is caused by CO2,
knowing that it has been caused by an increase in Solar Activity. They are
falsely blaming CO2, so that they can keep undeveloped Nations from
developing, so that they can starve them and steal their Coal and Oil. Just
like the Oil for Food program for Iraq, none of the Aide programs for Africa
or other undeveloped nations will keep them from starving, because all that
they are getting is handouts from the greedy Rulers of the Nations in
exchange for access to the Coal and Oil Fields, and they will not let the
Africans build infrastructure so that they can desalinate water and grow
food for themselves, so eventfully they will starve to death like over a
million Iraqis did in Iraq.


Just stay C.A.L.M. everybody, we are here for you!

Follow me, I am a US Army Veteran!

As an experienced registered informant for the Criminal Investigation
Department, of the United States Army, it is doing my Duty to my God, and to
my Country, as I secretly pretend to be one of them, and stand face to face
with Domestic Criminals and Foreign Enemies, going along with whatever
interests and activities the Domestic Criminals or Foreign Enemies, have
busied themselves with, as I secretly suck up all the information, and
gather all the evidence that I can, about their interests and activities,
and then I report of their interests and activities, and give the evidence
to the loyal among the US Government.

We are members of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm. The unarmed underground
Civil American Liberties Militia. We are made up of mostly likeminded US
Military Veterans that are spread across the entire USA, and some abroad,
secretly doing our Duty to our God, and to our County! We have no
membership, we are all Volunteers, and we do not expect any pay for our Duty
that we daily do, working separately to bring about our joint effort of
defending our Families and our Country, by exercising the Rights that we
serve our God and our Country to defend, against all our common Enemies,
Foreign and Domestic.

In Service of God and Country

Joseph R Loegering

Founder, of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm!

The unarmed underground, Civil American Liberties Militia!
Topaz
2007-06-16 00:04:34 UTC
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Here is part of the Leuchter Report:
"Thirty-one samples were selectively removed from the alleged gas
chambers at Kremas I, II, III, IV and V. A control sample was taken
from delousing facility #1 at Birkenau. The control sample was removed
from a delousing chamber in a location where cyanide was known to have
been used and was apparently present as blue staining. Chemical
testing of the control sample #32 showed a cyanide content of 1050
mg/kg, a very heavy concentration. The conditions at areas from which
these samples were taken are identical with those of the control
sample, cold, dark, and wet. Only Kremas IV and V differed, in the
respect that these locations had sunlight (the buildings have been
torn down) and sunlight may hasten the destruction of uncomplexed
cyanide. The cyanide combines with the iron in the mortar and brick
and becomes ferric-ferro-cyanide or prussian blue pigmentation, a very
stable iron-cyanide complex.
"The locations from which the analyzed samples were removed are set
out in Table III.
"It is notable that almost all the samples were negative and that the
few that were positive were very close to the detection level
(1mg/kg); 6.7 mg/kg at Krema III; 7.9 mg/kg at Krerma I. The absense
of any consequential readings at any of the tested locations as
compared to the control sample reading 1050 mg/kg supports the
evidence that these facilities were not execution gas chambers. The
small quantities detected would indicate that at some point these
buildings were deloused with Zyklon B - as were all the buildings at
all these facilities"

http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
2007-06-16 01:12:30 UTC
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Post by Topaz
"Thirty-one samples were selectively removed from the alleged gas
chambers at Kremas I, II, III, IV and V. A control sample was taken
from delousing facility #1 at Birkenau. The control sample was removed
from a delousing chamber in a location where cyanide was known to have
been used and was apparently present as blue staining. Chemical
testing of the control sample #32 showed a cyanide content of 1050
mg/kg, a very heavy concentration. The conditions at areas from which
these samples were taken are identical with those of the control
sample, cold, dark, and wet. Only Kremas IV and V differed, in the
respect that these locations had sunlight (the buildings have been
torn down) and sunlight may hasten the destruction of uncomplexed
cyanide. The cyanide combines with the iron in the mortar and brick
and becomes ferric-ferro-cyanide or prussian blue pigmentation, a very
stable iron-cyanide complex.
"The locations from which the analyzed samples were removed are set
out in Table III.
"It is notable that almost all the samples were negative and that the
few that were positive were very close to the detection level
(1mg/kg); 6.7 mg/kg at Krema III; 7.9 mg/kg at Krerma I. The absense
of any consequential readings at any of the tested locations as
compared to the control sample reading 1050 mg/kg supports the
evidence that these facilities were not execution gas chambers. The
small quantities detected would indicate that at some point these
buildings were deloused with Zyklon B - as were all the buildings at
all these facilities"
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/
http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
Why don't you look at the actual films of the gas canisters? How about the
actual films before any of these places were torn down?

http://youtu.be/wVz8gFPtfw0

Don't tell me that they did not exist, you will find my family name among
the victims in several camps, even though as blood descendants of Israel,
they were Christians. Some of my family still owns farms in Germany, and
there are a lot more films about the holocaust than are on the internet.

In service of God and Country

Joseph
Topaz
2007-06-16 15:22:34 UTC
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Post by
Why don't you look at the actual films of the gas canisters? How about the
actual films before any of these places were torn down?
http://youtu.be/wVz8gFPtfw0
Don't tell me that they did not exist, you will find my family name among
the victims in several camps, even though as blood descendants of Israel,
they were Christians. Some of my family still owns farms in Germany, and
there are a lot more films about the holocaust than are on the internet.
http://www.noontidepress.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35&products_id=357
Filmed on location at the Auschwitz camp site in Poland, this stunning
video by Jewish-American investigator David Cole shows that the "gas
chamber" that has been displayed to hundreds of thousands of tourists
is actually a propaganda prop. Alicia, an official tour guide, assures
David Cole, on camera, that the "gas chamber" in the main camp that is
shown to visitors is in its original, unaltered state. Then Dr.
Franciszek Piper, head curator of the Auschwitz State Museum,
acknowledges to Cole that this "gas chamber" is actually a postwar
creation. This video also tackles other Holocaust claims, including
the "human soap" fable. Shows that fraudulent "proofs" of homicidal
gassings were produced after the end of World War II, and that
visitors to the Auschwitz camp site have been systematically deceived
for decades.


http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
RedFox
2007-06-17 03:18:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by
Don't tell me that they did not exist, you will find my family name among
the victims in several camps, even though as blood descendants of Israel,
they were Christians. Some of my family still owns farms in Germany, and
there are a lot more films about the holocaust than are on the internet.
In service of God and Country
Joseph
Lest We Forget

Greetings
Topaz
2007-06-17 16:08:27 UTC
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by Theodore J. O'Keefe

Nothing has been more effective in establishing the authenticity of
the Holocaust story in the minds of Americans than the terrible scenes
US troops discovered when they entered German concentration camps at
the close of World War II.

At Dachau, Buchenwald, Dora, Mauthausen, and other work and detention
camps, horrified US infantrymen encountered heaps of dead and dying
inmates, emaciated and diseased. Survivors told them hair-raising
stories of torture and slaughter, and backed up their claims by
showing the GIs crematory ovens, alleged execution gas chambers,
supposed implements of torture, and even shrunken heads and
lampshades, gloves, and handbags purportedly made from skin flayed
from dead inmates.

US government authorities, mindful that many Americans who remembered
the atrocity stories fed them during World War I still doubted the
Allied propaganda directed against the Hitler regime, resolved to
"document" what the GIs had found in the camps. Prominent newsmen
and politicians were flown in to see the harrowing evidence, while
the US Army Signal Corps filmed and photographed the scenes for
posterity. Famous journalist Edward R. Murrow reported, in tones of
horror, but no longer of disbelief, what he had been told and shown,
and Dachau and
Buchenwald were branded on the hearts and minds of the American
populace as names of infamy unmatched in the sad and bloody history
of this planet.

For Americans, what was "discovered" at the camps -- the dead and the
diseased, the terrible stories of the inmates, all the props of
torture and terror -- became the basis not simply of a transitory
propaganda campaign but of the conviction that, yes, it was true: the
Germans did exterminate six million Jews, most of them in lethal gas
chambers.

What the GIs found was used, by way of films that were mandatory
viewing for the vanquished populace of Germany, to "re-educate" the
German people by destroying their national pride and their will to a
united, independent national state, imposing in their place
overwhelming feelings of collective guilt and political impotence.
And when the testimony, and the verdict, of the Nuremberg Tribunal
incorporated most, if not all, of the horror stories Americans were
told about
Dachau, Buchenwald, and other places captured by the US Army, the
Holocaust could pass for one of the most documented, one of the most
authenticated, one of the most proven historical episodes in the
human record.

A Different Reality

But it is known today that, very soon after the liberation of the
camps, American authorities were aware that the real story of the
camps was quite different from the one in which they were coaching
military public information officers, government spokesmen,
politicians, journalists, and other mouthpieces.

When American and British forces overran western and central Germany
in the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with
discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes.

Among them was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic
pathologists, who was assigned to the US Army's Judge Advocate
General's Department. As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team,
Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German
camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim
work at Dachau, he was
questioned for three days by US Army prosecutors.

Dr. Larson's findings? In an 1980 newspaper interview he said: "What
we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that
is a hoax." And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his
biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist
on duty in the entire European Theater" of Allied military operations,
confirmed that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered."

Typhus, Not Poison Gas

If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau,
Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death or
deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as
well.

As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief
cause of death at Dachau, Belsen and the other camps was disease,
above all typhus, an old and terrible scourge of mankind that until
recently flourished in places where populations were crowded together
in circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had
broken down. Such was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in
Germany at war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic
delousing, quarantine of the sick and cremation of the dead, the
virtual
collapse of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led
to catastrophe.

Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and
mortality in the camps has been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D.,
Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the
Harvard University School of Public Health, who was with US forces in
Germany in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in
concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus
infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes
for the outbreaks as follows:

Germany in the spring months of April and May [1945] was an
astounding sight, a mixture of humanity travelling this way and that,
homeless, often hungry and carrying typhus with them ...Germany was in
chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing
armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the
spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were
seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution was poor,
housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere
lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring
such as few countries and few times have experienced.

Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russell Barton, today a
psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with
British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who
volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn
oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that "Thousands of prisoners who
died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II
weren't deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of
diseases."

Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited
stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue
after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously
maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed
each day.

Despite noisily publicized claims and widespread popular notions to
the contrary, no researcher has been able to document a German policy
of extermination through starvation in the German camps.

No 'Human Skin' Lampshades

What of the ghoulish stories of concentration camp inmates skinned for
their tattoos, flayed to make lampshades and handbags, or other
artifacts? What of the innumerable "torture racks," "meathooks,"
whipping posts, gallows, and other tools of torment and death that are
reported to have abounded at every German camp? These allegations, and
even more grotesque ones proffered by Soviet prosecutors, found their
way into the record at Nuremberg.

The lampshade and tattooed-skin charges were made against Ilse Koch,
dubbed by journalists the "Bitch of Buchenwald," who was reported to
have furnished her house with objects manufactured from the tanned
hides of luckless inmates.

But General Lucius Clay, military governor of the US zone of occupied
Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948, told his superiors in
Washington: "There is no convincing evidence that she [Ilse Koch]
selected inmates for extermination in order to secure tattooed skins
or that she possessed any articles made of human skin." In an
interview General Clay gave years later, he stated about the material
for the infamous lampshades: "Well, it turned out actually that it was
goat flesh. But
at the trial it was still human flesh. It was almost impossible for
her to have gotten a fair trial." Ilse Koch hanged herself in a German
jail in 1967.

It would be tedious to itemize and refute the thousands of bizarre
claims as to Nazi atrocities. That there were instances of German
cruelty, however, is clear from the testimony of Dr. Konrad Morgen, a
legal investigator attached to the Reich Criminal Police, whose
statements on the witness stand at Nuremberg have never been
challenged by proponents of the Jewish Holocaust story. Dr. Morgen
informed the court that he had been given full authority by Heinrich
Himmler,
commander of Hitler's SS and the dread Gestapo, to enter any German
concentration camp and investigate instances of cruelty and corruption
on the part of camp personnel. As he explained in sworn testimony at
Nuremberg, Dr. Morgen investigated 800 such cases, resulting in more
than 200 convictions. Punishments included the death penalty for the
worst offenders, including Hermann Florstedt, commandant of Lublin
(Majdanek), and Karl Koch (Ilse's husband), commandant of Buchenwald.

While German camp commandants in certain cases did inflict physical
punishment, such acts had to be approved by authorities in Berlin, and
it was required that a camp physician first certify the good health of
the prisoner to be disciplined, and then be on hand at the actual
beating. After all, throughout most of the war the camps were
important centers of industrial activity. The good health and morale
of the prisoners was critical to the German war effort, as is
evidenced in a January 1943 order issued by SS General Richard Glücks,
chief of the office that supervised the
concentration camps. It held the camp commanders "personally
responsible for exhausting every possibility to preserve the physical
strength of the detainees." Camp Survivors: Merely Victims?
US Army investigators, working at Buchenwald and other camps, quickly
ascertained what was common knowledge among veteran inmates: that the
worst offenders, the cruelest denizens of the camps, were not the
guards but the prisoners themselves. Common criminals of the same
stripe as those who populate US prisons today committed many
villainies, particularly when they held positions of authority, and
fanatical Communists, highly organized to combat their many
political enemies among the inmates, eliminated their foes with
Stalinist ruthlessness. Two US Army investigators at Buchenwald, Egon
W. Fleck and Edward A. Tenenbaum, carefully investigated circumstances
in the camp before its liberation. In a detailed report submitted to
their superiors, they revealed, in the words of Alfred Toombs, their
commander, who wrote a preface to the report, "how the prisoners
themselves organized a deadly terror within the Nazi terror."

Fleck and Tenenbaum described the power exercised by criminals and
Communists as follows:

The trusties, who in time became almost exclusively Communist
Germans, had the power of life and death over all other inmates. They
could sentence a man or a group to almost certain death ... The
Communist trusties were directly responsible for a large part of the
brutalities at Buchenwald.

Colonel Donald B. Robinson, chief historian of the American military
government in Germany, summarized the Fleck-Tenenbaum report in an
article published in an American magazine shortly after the war.
Colonel Robinson wrote succinctly of the American investigators'
findings: "It appeared that the prisoners who agreed with the
Communists ate; those who didn't starved to death."

Additional corroboration of inmate brutality has been provided by
Ellis E. Spackman, who, as Chief of Counter-Intelligence Arrests and
Detentions for the US Seventh Army, was involved in the liberation of
Dachau. Spackman, later a professor of history at San Bernardino
Valley College in California, wrote in 1966 that at Dachau "the
prisoners were the actual instruments that inflicted the barbarities
on their fellow prisoners."

'Gas Chambers'

In December 1944 US Army officers Colonel Paul Kirk and Lt. Colonel
Edward J. Gully inspected the German concentration camp at
Struthof-Natzweiler in Alsace. They submitted their findings to their
superiors at the headquarters of the US 6th Army Group, which
subsequently forwarded their report to the US War Crimes Division.
While, significantly, the full text of their report has never been
published, it has been revealed, by a historian supportive of
Holocaust claims, that the two investigators were careful to
characterize equipment exhibited to them by French informants as a
"so-called lethal gas chamber," and to claim it was "allegedly used as
a lethal gas chamber." (Emphasis added)

Both the careful phraseology of the Natzweiler report, and its
effective suppression, stand in stark contrast to the credulity, the
confusion, and the blaring publicity that accompanied official reports
of alleged gas chambers at Dachau. At first, a US Army photo depicting
a GI gazing at a steel door marked with a skull and crossbones and the
German words for: "Caution! Gas! Mortal danger! Don't open!," was
identified as showing the murder weapon.

Later, however, it was evidently decided that the apparatus in
question was merely a standard delousing chamber for clothing, and
another alleged gas chamber, this one cunningly disguised as a shower
room, was exhibited to American congressmen and journalists as the
site where thousands breathed their last. While there exist numerous
reports in the press as to the operation of this second "gas chamber,"
no official report by trained Army investigators has yet surfaced to
reconcile such problems as the function of the shower heads: Were they
"dummies," or did lethal cyanide gas stream through them? (Each theory
has appreciable support in journalistic and
historiographical literature.)

As with Dachau, so with Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, and the other camps
liberated by the Allies in western Germany. There was no end of
propaganda about "gas chambers," "gas ovens," and the like, but so far
not a single detailed description of the murder weapon and its
function, not a single report of the kind that is mandatory for the
successful prosecution of any assault or murder case in America at
that time and today, has come to light.

Furthermore, a number of Holocaust authorities have now publicly
decreed that there were no gassings, no extermination camps in Germany
after all. (We are now told that "gassing" and "extermination" camps
were located exclusively in what is now Poland, in areas captured by
the Soviet Red Army and made off-limits to western investigators.)

Dr. Martin Broszat of the Munich-based Institute for Contemporary
History, which is funded by the German government, stated
categorically in a 1960 letter to the German weekly Die Zeit: "Neither
in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other
prisoners gassed." Professional "Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal stated
in 1975 and again in 1993 that "there were no
extermination camps on German soil."

Dachau "gas chamber" No. 2, which was once presented to a stunned and
grieving world as a weapon that claimed hundreds of thousands of
lives, is now described in the brochure issued to tourists at the
modern Dachau "memorial site" in these words: "This gas chamber,
camouflaged as a shower room, was not used."

The Propaganda Intensifies

More than 50 years after American troops entered Dachau, Buchenwald
and other German camps, and trained American investigators established
the facts as to what had gone on in them, the government in
Washington, the entertainment media in Hollywood, and the print media
in New York continue to churn out millions of words and images
annually on the horrors of the camps and the infamy of the Holocaust.
Despite the fact that, with the exception of the defeated Confederacy,
no enemy of America has ever so suffered so complete and devastating
defeat as did Germany in 1945, the mass media and the politicians and
bureaucrats behave as if Hitler, his troops, and his concentration
camps continue to exist in an eternal present, and our opinion makers
continue to distort, through ignorance or malice, the facts about the
camps.

Time for the Truth

It is time that the government and the professional historians reveal
the facts about Dachau, Buchenwald and the other camps. It is time
they let the American public know how the inmates died, and how they
didn't die. It is time that the claims of mass murder by gassing are
clarified and investigated in the same manner as any other claims of
murder. It is time that the free ride certain groups have enjoyed as
the result of unchallenged Holocaust claims be terminated, just as it
is time to end the scapegoating of other groups, including Germans,
eastern Europeans, the
Roman Catholic hierarchy, and the wartime leadership of America and
Britain, either for their alleged role in the Holocaust or their
supposed failure to stop it.

Above all, it is time that the citizens of this great Republic have
the facts about the camps, facts they have a right to know, a right
that is fundamental to the exercise of their authority and their will
in the governance of their country. As citizens and as taxpayers,
Americans of all ethnic backgrounds, of all faiths, have a basic right
and an overriding interest in determining the facts of incidents that
are deemed by those in positions of power to be significant in
determining America's foreign and educational policy, as well as its
selection of past events to be memorialized in our
civic life.

Today the alleged facts of the Holocaust are at issue all over the
civilized world. The truth will be decided only by recourse to the
facts, in the public forum: not by concealing the facts, denying the
truth, stonewalling reality. The truth will out, and it is time the
government of this country, and governments and international bodies
throughout the world, make public the evidence of what actually
transpired in the German concentration camps in the years 1933-1945,
so that we may put paid to the lies, without fear or favor, and carry
out the work of reconciliation and renewal that is and must be the
granite foundation of mutual tolerance between peoples and of a peace
based on justice.

Summary
The conclusions of the early US Army investigations as to the truth
about the wartime German concentration camps have since been
corroborated by all subsequent investigators and can be summarized:

1.The harrowing scenes of dead and dying inmates were not the result
of a German policy of "extermination," but rather the result of
epidemics of typhus and other disease brought about largely by the
effects of Allied aerial attacks.
2.Stories of Nazi supercriminals and sadists who turned Jews and
others into handbags and lampshades for their private profit or
amusement were sick lies or diseased fantasies; indeed, the German
authorities punished corruption and cruelty on the part of camp
commanders and guards.
3.On the other hand, portrayals of the newly liberated inmates as
saints and martyrs of Hitlerism were quite often very far from the
truth; indeed, most of the brutalities inflicted on camp detainees
were the work of their fellow prisoners, in contravention of German
policy and German orders.
4.The alleged homicidal showers and gas chambers were used either for
bathing camp inmates or delousing their clothes; the claim that they
were used to murder Jews or other human beings is a contemptible
fabrication. Orthodox historians and professional "Nazi-hunters" have
quietly dropped claims that inmates were gassed at Dachau, Buchenwald
and other camps in Germany. They continue, however, to keep silent
regarding the lies about Dachau and Buchenwald, as well as to evade an
open discussion of the evidence for homicidal gassing at Auschwitz and
the
other camps captured by the Soviets.


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RedFox
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by Theodore J. O'Keefe
Nothing has been more effective in establishing the authenticity of
the Holocaust story in the minds of Americans than the terrible scenes
US troops discovered when they entered German concentration camps at
the close of World War II.
+++++++++++++++++

"Those who needed to know that the measures to be taken had Hitler's
approval were told under seal of secrecy. Eichmann, who had a central role
to play, told an Israeli interrogator in 1960 that Heydrich summoned him
in the late summer of 1941 and informed him:

'The Fuhrer has ordered the physical extermination of the Jews.'

He said this sentence to me and then, quite contrary to his habit, paused
for a long time as if he wanted to test the effect of his words on me. At
first I could not grasp the implications because he chose his words
carefully. But then I understood and said nothing further because there
was nothing more I could say.

In an affadavit he made in 1946, Hoss (Hoess), the Commandant of
Auschwitz, recalled being summoned to Himmler's offfice in Berlin in the
summer of 1941 and told:

The Fuhrer has ordered the final solution of the Jewish question and we -
the SS - have to carry out this order . . . I have earmarked Auschwitz for
this task . . . It will be onerous and diffficult and will require your
full personal commitment.

You will maintain the strictest silence concerning this order, even vis a
vis your superiors . . . Every Jew we can lay hands on must be
exterminated without exception. If we now fail to destroy the biological
basis of Jewry, then one day the Jews will destroy the German people."


(From Hitler and Stalin, Parallel Lives - Allan Bullock - Lord Bullock of
Leafield, Vice Chancellor of the University of Oxford)

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Topaz
2007-06-21 22:52:08 UTC
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Post by RedFox
"Those who needed to know that the measures to be taken had Hitler's
approval were told under seal of secrecy. Eichmann, who had a central role
to play, told an Israeli interrogator in 1960 that Heydrich summoned him
"Eichmann who was kidnapped by Israel, held by the Israelis who are
known for their use of torture, was kept in fear of his life, tried
for crimes that didn't exist at the time he committed them, in a
country other than that in which the 'crimes' were committed, which
didn't exist at the time when the crimes WERE committed, and was
eventually murdered. And we are supposed to just accept that the
things he said were the things that HE wanted to say rather than the
things his captors wanted him to say?"

David



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Post by Topaz
"Eichmann who was kidnapped by Israel, held by the Israelis who are
known for their use of torture, was kept in fear of his life, tried
for crimes that didn't exist at the time he committed them, in a
country other than that in which the 'crimes' were committed, which
didn't exist at the time when the crimes WERE committed, and was
eventually murdered. And we are supposed to just accept that the
things he said were the things that HE wanted to say rather than the
things his captors wanted him to say?"
David
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The Eichmann Trial - Proceedings: The 15 Charges
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Charges from the court transcript:
Clerk of the Court: Criminal Case No. 40/61. The Attorney General versus
Adolf Eichmann, the son of Adolf Karl Eichmann. On behalf of the
prosecution, Mr. Gideon Hausner, Attorney General, Dr. Ya'akov Robinson,
Assistant to the Attorney General, Mr. Gabriel Bach, Mr. Ya'akov Baror,
Mr. Zvi Terlo --Assistant State Attorneys; the Accused in person and his
Counsel, Dr. Robert Servatius.


Presiding Judge: Adolf Eichmann, are you Adolf Eichmann, the son of Adolf
Karl Eichmann?

Accused: [standing] Yes.

Presiding Judge: Are you represented in this trial by Dr. Robert Servatius
and by Mr. Dieter Wechtenbruch?

Accused: Yes.

Presiding Judge: You are accused before this Court in terms of an
indictment containing 15 counts. I shall read the indictment to you and
this indictment will be translated for you into German. This is the
indictment against you on behalf of the Attorney General.

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FIRST COUNT


Nature of the Offence

Crime against the Jewish People, an offence against Section 1(a)(1) of the
Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law, 5710-1950 and Section 23 of
the Criminal Law Ordinance, 1936.

Particulars of the Offence


(a) The Accused, during the period from 1939 to 1945, together with
others, caused the deaths of millions of Jews as the persons who were
responsible for the implementation of the plan of the Nazis for the
physical extermination of the Jews, a plan known by its title "The Final
Solution of the Jewish Question."

(b) Immediately after the outbreak of the Second World War the Accused was
appointed to be the head of a Section of the Gestapo in Berlin the
functions of which were to locate, deport and exterminate the Jews of
Germany and of the other countries of the Axis as well as in the areas
which the Axis States had occupied. The Section bore, in succession, these
identification numbers:
IVD4; IVB4; IVA4.

(c) Instructions for carrying out the plan of extermination in Germany
were given directly by the Accused to local headquarters of the Gestapo,
whilst in Berlin, Vienna and Prague the Accused's instructions were given
to the central offices (Zentralstelle für Jüdische Auswanderung) for the
administration of which he was personally responsible until their
dissolution, shortly before the end of the Second World War.

(d) In the areas of German occupation the Accused operated through the
offices of the commanding officers of the Security Police and the SD and
the persons specifically responsible for Jewish affairs who were appointed
from amongst the personnel of the Accused's Section in the Gestapo, and
who were subject to his directives.

(e) In the countries of the Axis and the occupied areas, the Accused made
use of the offices of Germany's foreign representatives in each individual
place, and he did so in constant liaison with the special departments of
the German Foreign Ministry in Berlin which dealt with matters concerning
Jews. In these representative offices advisers were appointed subject to
his directives.

(f) The Accused together with others perpetrated the extermination of
Jews, inter alia, by means of putting them to death in concentration
camps, the purpose of which was mass murder, of which the more important
ones were:

1. Auschwitz: Millions of Jews were exterminated here, commencing from the
year 1941 and until the end of January 1945, in gas chambers, in
incinerators, by shooting and by hanging. The Accused directed the
commanders of this camp to use the gas Zyklon B and during the years 1942
and 1944 actually took steps to ensure the supply of a quantity of gas for
the purpose of exterminating Jews.

2. Chelmno: This extermination camp was operated from the beginning of
November 1941 until the beginning of 1945, and in it, inter alia,
poisonous gases were used.

3. Belzec: This extermination camp was operated from the month of March
1942 until October 1943, and in it poisonous gases were used, among other
means of extermination.

4. Sobibor: This extermination camp was operated from the month of March
1942 until October 1943, and in it were installed, inter alia, five rooms
built of stone into which poisonous gases were introduced.

5. Treblinka: This extermination camp was operated on 23 July 1942 and
until the month of November 1943. Here too, inter alia, poisonous gases
were used.

6. Majdanek: This extermination camp was operated from the year 1941 until
the month of July 1944, and in it, inter alia, poisonous gases were used.



(g) Immediately following the invasion of the German Army into Poland, in
September 1939, the Accused carried out acts of expulsion, the uprooting
of populations, and extermination which were coordinated with massacre
units mobilized from the ranks of the German Security Police and the SS
and called by the name Einsatzgruppen ("Operation Units"). Such units
operated also after the invasion of the Soviet Union in the year 1941, and
advanced in the wake of the German Army. They received their orders
directly from the "Head Office for Reich Security" (RSHA) and operated in
collaboration with the Accused in the extermination of Jews, each within
the area of its authority. The Units were made to act especially on the
Jewish Sabbath and Festival Days -- dates which were selected for the
massacre of Jews. These Units exterminated hundreds of thousands of Jews
in the German area of occupation in Poland.

(h) Before the invasion of the German Army into the regions of the Soviet
Union and the Baltic countries, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, which were
annexed to her, four Operation Units were organized by the Head Office for
Reich Security (RSHA) working in collaboration with the Accused in the
extermination of the Jews in the aforementioned regions in that part of
Poland which had been annexed to the Soviet Union after September 1939.
The acts of these Units included, inter alia, the following operations:

1. Operation Unit "A" put to death in the course of the first four months
of the German Army's invasion into the aforementioned regions:
* Lithuania: over 80,000 Jews;
* Latvia: over 30,000 Jews;
* Estonia: about 470 Jews;
* Belorussia: over 7,600 Jews;
* Russia: about 2,000 Jews;
* The province of Tilsit: about 5,500 Jews.



A total of over 135,000 Jews.

2. Operation Unit "B" up to 14 November 1941 exterminated upwards of
45,000 Jews in Belorussia and other zones.

3. Operation Unit "C" up to 3 November 1941 exterminated in the Ukraine
more than 75,000 Jews -- and amongst them about 33,000 Jews of Kiev.

4. Operation Unit "D" exterminated about 54,000 Jews up to 12 December 1941.

5. During the period August to November 1942, these Operation Units
exterminated approximately 363,000 Jews. These Operation Units dealt on
this scale and with this objective in the aforementioned areas in the
extermination of the Jews, beginning from June 1941, and until the year
1944, and exterminated hundreds of thousands of Jews in addition to those
previously specified.



(i) At the end of the year 1941, the Accused gave orders to deport
thousands of Jews from Germany, Austria and Czechoslovakia (the
Protectorate) to ghettos in Riga, Kovno and Minsk. These Jews were
exterminated -- and amongst others --

1. (1) A transport of these Jews from the Reich (Germany) was murdered on
30 November 1941 together with about 4,000 Jews of Riga.
2. (2) About 3,500 Jews from Germany who were sent to Minsk as mentioned,
upon the orders of the Accused, were liquidated by an Operation Unit in
Belorussia, together with 55,000 Jews from amongst the residents of the
area.



(j) The Accused, together with others, caused the deaths of thousands of
Jews between the years 1940-1945 in forced labour camps which were
administered under a concentration camp regime and where Jews were
enslaved, tortured and starved to death in Germany and the countries it
conquered.

(k) The Accused, together with others, caused the deaths of additional
hundreds of thousands of Jews between the years 1939-1945 by means of mass
deportations and the assembly of the Jews in ghettos and other places of
concentration, which were implemented under cruel and inhuman conditions
in Germany and the other countries of the Axis, and also in the occupied
regions, namely in the following countries:

* Germany, Austria, Italy, Bulgaria, Belgium.

* The Soviet Union and the Baltic countries Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia
which were annexed by her, and that part of Poland which had been annexed
to the Soviet Union after September 1939.

* Denmark, Holland, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Greece, Luxembourg, Monaco,
Norway, Poland, Czechoslovakia, France, and Romania.

(l) The Accused caused the deaths of approximately half a million of the
Jews of Hungary by means of their mass deportation to the extermination
camp at Auschwitz and other places during the period between 19 March 1944
and 24 December 1944 when he was serving as Head of the "Eichmann Special
Commando Unit" (Sondereinsatz-kommando Eichmann) in Budapest. (m) The
Accused carried out all the acts detailed in this count with the intention
of destroying the Jewish People.


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SECOND COUNT


Nature of the Offence

Crime against the Jewish People, an offence against Section 1(a)(1) of the
Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law, 5710-1950 and Section 23 of
the Criminal Law Ordinance, 1936.

Particulars of the Offence


(a) The Accused, together with others, subjected many millions of Jews to
living conditions which were likely to bring about their physical
destruction, during the period 1939 to 1945 and to this end operated in
Germany and the other countries of the Axis, in the areas of their
occupation and also in areas which were in practice subject to their
authority. In the said period and by virtue of his functions mentioned in
the First Count, and in order to implement "The Final Solution of the
Jewish Question" he acted in the following ways:

1. Enslaving them in forced labour camps
2. Placing and keeping them in ghettos
3. Driving them into transit camps and other places of concentration
4. Their deportation and their mass transportation under inhuman conditions
And all of this was done by the Accused for those same objectives, by the
same methods of operation and in the same places as described in the First
Count.



(b) The Accused carried out these acts with the intention of destroying
the Jewish People.



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THIRD COUNT


Nature of the Offence

Crime against the Jewish People, an offence against section 1

(a)(1) of the Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law 5710- 1950,
and section 23 of the Criminal Law Ordinance, 1936.

Particulars of the Offence


(a) During the period of Nazi rule, the Accused fulfilled functions in the
Security Service of the SS (SD) for dealing with Jews, according to the
plan of the Nazi Party (NSDAP). These functions were amalgamated after the
outbreak of the Second World War with the functions of the Department in
the Gestapo described in the First Count and which was headed by the
Accused.


(b) Throughout that entire period the Accused, together with others,
caused grave harm to millions of Jews, physically and mentally, in Germany
and in the other countries of the Axis, in the occupied areas and also in
the areas which in practice were subject to their authority in those
countries specified in the First Count.

(c) The Accused, together with others, caused this grave harm by means of
enslavement, starvation, expulsion and persecution, confinement to
ghettos, to transit camps and to concentration camps -- all this under
conditions intended to humiliate the Jews, to deny their rights as human
beings, to oppress and torment them by inhuman suffering and torture.

(d) The Accused, together with others, carried out these acts by adopting
methods, of which the most important were:

1. Sudden mass arrests of innocent Jews, without judicial process, and
only because of their being Jews, and their torture in concentration
camps, such as those at Dachau and Buchenwald;

2. The organization of mass persecution by means of arrests, cruel
beatings, the infliction of serious injury, and torture in concentration
camps, of approximately 2,000 Jews of Germany and Austria on the night
between the 9th and 10th November 1938;

3. Organizing operations of social and economic boycott of the Jews and
stigmatizing them as a subhuman racial group;

4. Putting into practice the laws known as "The Nuremberg Laws" for the
purpose of depriving millions of Jews in all those countries specified in
the First Count of their human rights.



(e) The Accused carried out these acts with the intention of destroying
the Jewish People.


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FOURTH COUNT


Nature of the Offence

Crime against the Jewish People, an offence against Section 1(a)(1) of the
Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law 5710-1950 and Section 23 of
the Criminal Law Ordinance, 1936.

Particulars of the Offence



(a) Commencing in the year 1942, the Accused, together with others,
adopted measures calculated to prevent births amongst the Jews of Germany,
and the occupied countries.

(b) The adoption of these measures by the Accused in his official capacity
as Head of the Department for Jewish Affairs in the Gestapo in Berlin was
also intended to advance the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question."

(c) Amongst these measures were;


1. Instructions by the Accused to Dr. Eppstein, head of the Council of
Elders in the Concentration Camp at Terezin (Theresienstadt) in the years
1943-44, concerning the ban on births in the camp, and concerning the
termination of pregnancies by means of artificial abortion in every case
and in all stages of pregnancy;

2. An order of the German police in the Baltic countries in the year 1942
against Jewish women in the Kovno Ghetto forbidding them to give birth and
compelling them to undergo operations for abortion in every case of
pregnancy;

3. On 27 October 1942 in the offices of the Accused (RSHA) IVB4 in Berlin,
the Accused, together with others, prescribed measures for the
sterilization of persons of mixed descent of the first degree of Jews in
Germany and in the occupied territories according to the following
principles:



(aa) The sterilization would be carried out on the person of the
individual of mixed descent, Jew or Jewess, upon their agreeing to this in
return for the favour of receiving permission to remain within the borders
under the rule of the German Reich;

(bb)The individual of mixed descent would be entitled to choose between
sterilization and deportation to the extermination areas in the East;

(cc) The authorities were to suggest to individuals of mixed descent to
choose deportation;

(dd) Those choosing deportation would be separated according to their sex
in order to prevent any further births;

(ee) The sterilization would be performed privately and secretly;



(d) In laying down these measures the Accused intended to destroy the
Jewish People.



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FIFTH COUNT


Nature of the Offence

Crime against humanity, an offence against Section 1(a)(2) of the Nazis
and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law 5710-1950, and Section 23 of the
Criminal Law Ordinance, 1936.

Particulars of the Offence

The Accused committed acts, during the period between 1939 and 1945, in
Germany and the other countries of the Axis, in the occupied territories
and also in the areas which were in practice subject to their authority,
which are to be defined as crimes against humanity, when, together with
others, he caused the murder, extermination, enslavement, starvation and
expulsion of the Jewish civilian population in those countries and areas.
The Accused committed these acts in the course of fulfilling his functions
as specified in the first Count.

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SIXTH COUNT


Nature of the Offence

Crime against humanity, an offence against section 1(a)(2) of the Nazis
and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law 5710-1950, and Section 23 of the
Criminal Law Ordinance, 1936.

Particulars of the Offence

The Accused in committing the acts described in Counts 1 to 5 persecuted
Jews on national, racial, religious and political grounds.

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SEVENTH COUNT


Nature of the Offence

Crime against humanity, an offence against Section l(a)(2) of the Nazis
and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law 5710-1950, and Section 23 of the
Criminal Law Ordinance, 1936.

Particulars of the Offence


(a) During the period of Nazi rule in Germany and the other countries of
the Axis, in the occupied countries, and also in the areas which were, in
practice, subject to their authority, the Accused, together with others,
caused the plunder of the property of millions of Jews who were residents
of these countries, by means of inhuman coercion, robbery, terror and
torture.

(b) Amongst the Accused's deeds were:

1. The establishment, organization, and management of the "Central Office
for Jewish Emigration" (Zentralstelle fur Jüdische Auswanderung) in
Vienna, immediately following the entry of the Nazis into Austria in the
month of March 1938 and until the end of the Second World War, by means of
which the Accused transferred the property of the Jews of Austria and of
the Jewish communities of that state to German control. This property was
in part plundered in order to finance the expulsion of the Jews of Austria
beyond the country's borders and in part transferred through coercion to
the possession of the authorities by means of terror against the owners
thereof.

2. The establishment of the "Central Office for the Emigration of Jews" in
Prague following the Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia in the month of March
1939, and its organization and management by the Accused, until the end of
the Second World War, according to the model of the Central Office in
Vienna. Through this office a "Special Account" was administered as a
channel for the transfer of the property of the Jews whom the Accused,
together with others, robbed -- within Czechoslovakia and in other
countries.

3. The establishment of the Central Office for the Emigration of Jews and
for Jewish Affairs in Germany (Reichszentrale) in Berlin in the year 1939
and its management by the Accused until the end of the Second World War.
By means of this Central Office, following the example of the Central
Office in Vienna, the Accused, together with others, plundered the
property of the Jews of Germany and the property of their communities by
the same means and under the same conditions as he laid down in respect of
the offices in Vienna and Prague.

4. By means of collecting forced payments from persons deported from
Germany and the occupied territories, the Accused compelled hundreds of
thousands of Jews to finance their deportation to the extermination camps
and the sites of other concentrations for mass slaughter. To this end the
Accused set up the Special Account "W" which was at the exclusive disposal
of his Section.

5. The property of the Jews slain in the countries of German conquest in
Eastern Europe was also plundered by their murderers -- the men of the SS.
For purposes of centralizing the act of robbery, special operations were
organized in the years 1942 - 1943 within the framework of a special
campaign for the slaughter of the Jews of Poland, which was known by the
description "Reinhardt Action" (Aktion Reinhardt). The person in charge of
this special operation was the Senior Commander of the Security Police and
the SD for the district of Lublin. During these two years property
estimated at a nominal value of 200 million marks, but the actual value of
which amounted to several times this sum, was stolen.

6. During the Second World War and until shortly before its conclusion,
freight trains were dispatched to Germany every month from the areas of
occupation in the East, containing the movable property of those murdered
in the extermination camps, in the concentration sites and in the ghettos.
This property also included enormous quantities of parts of the bodies of
those done to death such as hair, gold teeth, false teeth, artificial
limbs; furthermore, every other personal item was plundered from the
bodies of the Jews before and after their extermination.

7. The Accused, together with others, planned all the operations of
comprehensive robbery so that the property of millions of those brought
for extermination might be taken from them and brought to Germany. The
extent of his success emerges from the fact that, when at the time of
their retreat in January 1945, the Germans burned 29 stores of personal
effects and articles of value out of 35 such stores established in the
extermination camp at Auschwitz, there were found in the stores that were
saved from the fire, inter alia:
348,820 men's suits, 836,255 women's costumes, 38,000 men's shoes.


(c) The Accused carried out the said operations until the end of the year
1939 by virtue of his special duties in the Security Service of the SS
(SD); and since the end of that year the Accused merged these duties with
his functions in Department IV of the RSHA.

(d) The Accused carried out the robbery of the property of the Jews in
Germany and in the other territories of occupation, over and above those
already mentioned in this count as aforesaid, by means of issuing
instructions to the local commanders of the Security Police and to those
in the countries of the Axis and the occupied areas, through the foreign
representatives of Germany as described in the First Count.



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EIGHTH COUNT


Nature of the Offence

War crime, an offence against Section l(a)(3) of the Nazis and Nazi
Collaborators (Punishment) Law 5710-1950 and Section 23 of the Criminal
Law Ordinance, 1936.

Particulars of the Offence

The Accused performed acts, during the period of the Second World War, in
Germany and in the other countries of the Axis and also in the occupied
territories, which are to be defined as war crimes, when, together with
others, he caused the persecution, expulsion and murder of the Jewish
population of the countries occupied by the Germans and the other
countries of the Axis. The Accused committed these acts in the course of
fulfilling his functions as specified in the First Count.

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NINTH COUNT


Nature of the Offence

Crime against humanity, an offence against Section 1(a)(2) of the Nazis
and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law 5710-1950 and Section 23 of the
Criminal Law Ordinance, 1936.

Particulars of the Offence

The Accused, between the years 1940 and 1942 committed acts in Poland,
which at that time was occupied by Germany, which are to be defined as
crimes against humanity when, together with others, he caused the
deportation of more than half a million Polish civilians from their places
of residence, with the intention of settling German families in those
places. The displaced Poles were transferred, some to Germany and the
territories occupied by her for the purpose of employing them and holding
them under conditions of servitude, coercion and terror; some were
abandoned in other regions of Poland and the German areas of occupation in
the East; some were concentrated in labour camps organized by the SS under
inhumane conditions; and some were transferred to Germany and were
destined for the purpose of Rückverdeutschung ("Germanization"). The
Accused committed these acts of his by virtue of a special appointment in
the month of December 1939, according to which he was empowered by the
Chief of the Security Police in Berlin to act as the person responsible
for the "evacuation" of the civilian Population.

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TENTH COUNT


Nature of the Offence

Crime against humanity, an offence against Section 1(a)(2) of the Nazis
and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law 5710-1950, and Section 23 of the
Criminal Law Ordinance, 1936.

Particulars of the Offence


(a) The Accused committed acts in the year 1941 in Yugoslavia in parts
then occupied by Germany, which are to be defined as crimes against
humanity when, together with others, he caused the deportation of more
than fourteen thousand Slovene civilians from their places of residence,
with the intention of settling German families in their stead;


(b) The deported Slovenes were transferred to the Serbian province of
Yugoslavia by methods of coercion and terror, and under inhumane
conditions.

(c) The planning of these expulsions was effected by the Accused at a
meeting on 6 May 1941 which took place in Marburg (Untersteiermark) and to
which the Accused invited representatives of the other authorities dealing
with the matter. The expulsion headquarters continued to be located in
that city, and acted in accordance with the directives of the Accused. The
Accused committed these acts by virtue of his special appointment as
mentioned in the Ninth Count.


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ELEVENTH COUNT


Nature of the Offence

Crime against humanity, an offence against Section 1(a)(2) of the Nazis
and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law 5710-1950, and Section 23 of the
Criminal Law Ordinance, 1936.

Particulars of the Offence

The Accused committed acts during the period of the Second World War which
are to be defined as crimes against humanity in Germany and the occupied
territories when, together with others, he caused the deportation from
their places of residence of tens of thousands of Gypsies, their assembly
in places of concentration, and their dispatch to extermination camps in
the areas of the German occupation in the East, for the purpose of
murdering them. The Accused committed these acts by virtue of his special
appointment as mentioned in the Ninth Count.

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TWELFTH COUNT


Nature of the Offence

Crime against humanity, an offence against Section l(a)(2) of the Nazis
and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law, 5710-l950, and Section 23 of the
Criminal Law Ordinance, 1936.

Particulars of the Offence

In the year 1942 the Accused committed acts which are to be defined as
crimes against humanity when, together with others, he caused the
deportation of approximately 100 children, residents of the village of
Lidice in Czechoslovakia, their transfer to Poland and their murder there.
The Accused committed these acts in the course of fulfilling his functions
in the Gestapo in Berlin.

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THIRTEENTH COUNT


Nature of the Offence

Membership of a hostile organization, an offence against Section 3(a) of
the Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law 5710-1950.

Particulars of the Offence

The Accused, during the period of the Nazi rule in Germany, was a member
of the organization known by the name of Schutzstaffeln der NSDAP (SS) and
during the course of his service in this organization attained the rank of
SS Obersturmbannführer. This body was declared a criminal organization in
the Judgment of the International Military Tribunal on 1 October 1946 in
accordance with Section 9 of the Charter of the Tribunal which was
attached to the Agreement of the Four Powers dated 8 August 1945, in
regard to the trial of the major war criminals.

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FOURTEENTH COUNT


Nature of the Offence

Membership of a hostile organization, an offence against Section 3(a) of
the Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law, 5710-1950.

Particulars of the Offence

During the period of Nazi rule in Germany, the Accused was a member of an
organization known by the name Sicherheitsdienst des Reichsführers SS
(SD). This body was declared a criminal organization in the Judgment of
the International Military Tribunal on 1 October 1946 in accordance with
Section 9 of the Charter of the Tribunal which was attached to the
Agreement of the Four Powers dated 8 August 1945 in regard to the trial of
the major war criminals.

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FIFTEENTH COUNT


Nature of the Offence

Membership of a hostile organization, an offence against Section 3(a) of
the Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law 5710-1950.

Particulars of the Offence

During the period of Nazi rule in Germany, the Accused was a member of the
Secret State Police (Geheirne Staatspolizei) known as the "Gestapo" and
served therein as Head of the Department for Jewish Affairs. This body was
declared a criminal organization in the Judgment of the International
Military Tribunal on 1 October 1946 in accordance with Section 9 of the
Charter of the Tribunal which was attached to the Agreement of the Four
Powers dated 8 August 1945 in regard to the trial of the major war
criminals.


Presiding Judge: Did you understand the indictment?


Accused: Yes, certainly.
Topaz
2007-06-22 23:44:33 UTC
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Jew

Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that the Jews tell big lies. The
Jewish media took his words out of context and claimed that Hitler was
in favor of big lies. This was in itself a big lie and proof that
Hitler was right. Here is what Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf and in
context:

"But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity
for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute
responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had
shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the
catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that
hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for
the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took
away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous
enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the
Fatherland to justice. All this was inspired by the principle--which
is quite true in itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain
force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always
more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature
than consciously or voluntarily, and thus in the primitive simplicity
of their minds they are more readily fall victims to the big lie than
the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little
matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It
would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and
they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort
truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so
may be brought clearly to their minds, they still doubt and waver and
will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For
the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it
has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in
this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These
people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest
purposes.
"From time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than
any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their
very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a
religious community, whereas in reality they are a race? And what a
race! One of the greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has
branded the Jews for all time with a statement which is profoundly and
exactly true. He (Schopenhauer) called the Jew 'The Great Master of
Lies'. Those who do not realize the truth of that statement, or do not
wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth
to prevail."


http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
RedFox
2007-06-22 04:17:39 UTC
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Eichmann sentence

Sentencing

Presiding Judge:

   After considering the appropriate sentence for the Accused with a deep
feeling of the burden of responsibility borne by us, we reached the
conclusion that in order to punish the Accused and deter others, the
maximum penalty laid down in the law must be imposed on him. In the
Judgment we described the crimes in which the Accused took part. They are
of unparalleled horror in their nature and their scope. The objective of
the crimes against the Jewish People of which the Accused was found guilty
was to obliterate an entire people from the face of the earth. In this
respect they differ from criminal acts perpetrated against persons as
individuals. It may be said that such comprehensive crimes, as well as
crimes against humanity which are directed against a group of persons as
such, are even more heinous than the sum total of the criminal acts
against individuals of which they consist.

  But at the stage of passing sentence consideration must also, and
perhaps primarily, be given to the injury inflicted on the victims as
individuals, which was implicit in these crimes, and the immeasurable
anguish which they and their families suffered and still suffer to this
very day because of these crimes. For the despatch of each train by the
Accused to Auschwitz, or to any other extermination site, carrying one
thousand human beings, meant that the Accused was a direct accomplice in a
thousand premeditated acts of murder, and the degree of his legal and
moral responsibility for these acts of murder is not one iota less than
the responsibility of the person who with his own hands pushed these human
beings into the gas chambers.

  Even if we had found that the Accused acted out of blind obedience, as
he argued, we would still have said that a man who took part in crimes of
such magnitude as these over years must pay the maximum penalty known to
the law, and he cannot rely on any order even in mitigation of his
punishment. But we have found that the Accused acted out of an inner
identification with the orders that he was given and out of a fierce will
to achieve the criminal objective, and in our opinion, it is irrelevant
even for the purpose of imposing a punishment for such terrible crimes,
how this identification and this will came about, and whether they were
the outcome of the training which the Accused received under the regime
which raised him, as his Counsel argues.

  This Court sentences Adolf Eichmann to death, for the crimes against the
Jewish People, the crimes against humanity and the war crimes of which he
has been found guilty. We shall not impose a penalty on him for membership
of a hostile organization, of which he was found guilty (see the Criminal
Procedure (Trial Upon Information) Ordinance Section 30(2), last part, and
Crim. App. 132/57, 11 Piskei Din , 1544, 1552).

This is the Sentence. You are entitled to appeal against the Judgment and
the Sentence, and if you wish to do so, you must submit the Statement of
Appeal to the office of this Court within ten days from today and the
grounds of appeal within fifteen days from today.
RedFox
2007-06-17 02:45:19 UTC
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The Leuchter report has been extensively refuted as neo-nazi garbage
aimed at backing up the criminal Zundel - who is currently I believe in
Jail for Holocaust denial

Here is a selection from one refutation of Leuchter:

FULL TEXT AVAILABLE ON

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/report.shtml

A Study of the Cyanide Compounds Content In The Walls Of The Gas Chambers
in the Former Auschwitz and Birkenau Concentration Camps

by Jan Markiewicz, Wojciech Gubala, Jerzy Labedz
Institute of Forensic Research, Cracow

ABSTRACT: In a widespread campaign to deny the existence of extermination
camps with gas chambers the "revisionists" have recently started using the
results of the examinations of fragments of ruins of former crematoria.
These results (Leuchter, Rudolf) allegedly prove that the materials under
examination had not been in contact with cyanide, unlike the wall
fragments of delousing buildings in which the revisionists discovered
considerable amount of cyanide compounds. Systematic research, involving
most sensitive analytical methods, undertaken by the Institute confirmed
the presence of cyanide compounds in all kinds of gas chamber ruins, even
in the basement of Block 11 in Auschwitz, where first, experimental
gassing of victims by means of Zyklon B had been carried out. The analysis
of control samples, taken from other places (especially from living
quarters) yielded unequivocally negative results. For the sake of
interpretation several laboratory experiments have been carried out.

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This article was first published in the journal Z Zagadnien Sqdowych z.
XXX, 1994, 17-27. It appears here with the permission of the Institute for
Forensic Research. Some minor editing has been done. This editting has not
changed the content (even in the case of small errors) but has been done
to increase the readability on the net. We also offer a foreword to place
this work in context.

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As early as the first years after the end of World War II single
publications began to appear in which the authors attempted to "whitewash"
the Hitlerite regime and to call various signs of its cruelties into
question. But it was not till the fifties that the trend may be defined as
"historical revisionism" arose and started developing; its supporters
claim that the history of the World War II has been fabricated for the
purposes of anti-German propaganda. According to their statements there
was no Holocaust, i. e. no mass extermination of Jews and in that case the
Auschwitz-Birkenau Concentration Camp could not have been an extermination
camp -- it was only a "common" forced labour camp and no gas chambers
existed in it.

Historical revisionism is now put forward by members of various nations,
who already have their own scientific circles, own publications and also
use the mass media for their purposes. Up to 1988, the "revisionists"1
most frequently manipulated historical sources or simply denied the facts.
Then, after the appearance of the so-called Leuchter Report (2), their
tactics changed distinctly. The above-mentioned Report, worked out on the
basis of a study of the ruins and remains of the crematoria and gas
chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau, has been considered by them to be specific
evidence in support of their allegations and evidence of judicial validity
at that, since it was commissioned by the court of law in Toronto
(Canada). F. Leuchter, living in Boston, worked on the design and
construction of gas chambers still in use to execute the death penalty in
some States of the USA. This is considered to give him authority to take
the role of expert as regards gas chamber issues. In this connection
Leuchter came to Poland on 25 February 1988 and stayed here for 5 days,
visiting the camps at Auschwitz-Birkenau and at Majdanek. In his report
based on this inspection he states that "he found no evidence that any of
the facilities that are usually alleged to have been gas chambers were
actually used as such". Moreover, he claims that these facilities "could
not be used as gas chambers for killing people" (Item 4000 of the Report).


Leuchter tried to confirm his conclusions with the help of chemical
analysis. For this purpose he took samples of material fragments from the
chamber ruins to subject them to an analysis for hydrogen cyanide, the
essential component of Zyklon B, used -- acc. to the testimony of
witnesses -- to gas the victims. He took 30 samples altogether from all
the five structures used formerly as gas chambers. At laboratory analyses
performed in the USA the presence of cyanide ions at concentrations of 1.1
to 7.9 mg/kg of material examined was found in 14 samples. He also took
one sample from the delousing building at Birkenau, which he treated as a
"control sample", and in which cyanides were found to be present at a
concentration of 1060 mg kg of material. The positive results of the
analyses of samples from the former gas chambers are explained by Leuchter
by the fact that all the camp facilities were subjected to a fumigation
with hydrogen cyanide in connection with a typhoid epidemic which really
broke out in the camp in 1942.

A later investigation, carried out by a G. Rudolf (4), confirmed the high
concentrations of cyanogen compounds in the facilities for clothes
disinsectization. This may be so since, being undamaged, these facilities
were not exposed to the action of weather conditions, especially rainfall.
Moreover, it is known that the duration of disinsectization was relatively
long, about 24 hours for each batch of clothes (probably even longer),
whereas the execution with Zyklon B in the gas chambers took, according to
the statement of the Auschwitz Camp Commander Rudolf Hoess (7) and the
data presented by Sehn (6), only about 20 minutes. It should also be
emphasized that the ruins of these chambers have been constantly exposed
to the action of precipitation and it can be estimated, on the basis of
the climatological records, that in these last 45 years or so they have
been rinsed rather thoroughly by a column of water at least 35 m in height
(!). In our correspondence with the Management of the Auschwitz Museum in
1989, not knowing the Leuchter Report then, we expressed our anxiety as to
the chances of detection of cyanogen compounds in the chamber ruins;
nevertheless, we offered to carry out an appropriate study. At the
beginning of 1990 two workers of the Institute of Forensic Research
arrived on the premises of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Camp and took samples
for screening analysis: 10 samples of plaster from the delousing chamber
(Block No 3 at Auschwitz), 10 samples from gas chamber ruins and, in
addition, 2 control samples from the buildings which, as living quarters,
had not been in contact with hydrogen cyanide. Out of the 10 samples from
the delousing chamber, seven contained cyanogen compounds at
concentrations from 9 to 147 µg in conversion to potassium cyanide (which
was used to construct the calibration curve) and 100 g of material. As far
as the ruins are concerned, the presence of cyanide was demonstrated only
in the sample from the ruins of Crematorium Chamber No II at Birkenau.
Neither of the control samples contained cyanides.

When the dispute on the Leuchter Report arose, we undertook a closer study
of the problem, availing ourselves, among other publications, of J. C.
Pressac's comprehensive work (5). In consequence, we decided to start
considerably more extensive and conscientiously planned researches. To
carry them out, the Management of the Auschwitz Museum appointed their
competent workers, Dr. F. Piper (custodian) and Mr. W. Smrek (engineer) to
join the commission, in which they co-worked with the authors of the
present paper, representing the Institute of Forensic Research. Under this
collaboration the Museum workers were providing us on the spot with
exhaustive information concerning the facilities to be examined and -- as
regards the ruins -- a detailed topography of the gas chambers we were
concerned with. And so they made it possible for us to take proper samples
for analysis. We tried to take samples -- if at all possible -- from the
places best sheltered and least exposed to rainfall, including also as far
as possible -- fragments of the upper parts of the chambers (hydrogen
cyanide is lighter than air) and also of the concrete floors, with which
the gas from the spilled Zyklon B came into contract at rather high
concentrations.

Samples, about 1-2 g in weight, were taken by chipping pieces from bricks
and concrete or scrapping off, particularly in the case of plaster and
also mortar. The materials taken were secured in plastic containers marked
with serial numbers. All these activities were recorded and documented
with photographs. Work connected with them took the commission two days.
The laboratory analysis of the material collected was conducted -- to
ensure full objectivity -- by another group of Institute workers. They
started with preliminary work: samples were comminuted by grinding them by
hand in an agate mortar, their pH was determined at 6 to 7 in nearly all
samples. Next the samples were subjected to preliminary spectrophotometric
analysis in infrared region, using a Digilab FTS-16 spectrophotometer. It
was found that the bands of cyanide groups occurred in the region of
2000-2200 cm-1 in the spectra of a dozen samples or so. However, the
method did not prove to be sensitive enough and was given up in
quantitative determinations. It was determined, using the spectrographical
method, that the main elements which made up the samples were: calcium,
silicon, magnesium, aluminium and iron. Moreover, titanium was found
present in many samples. From among other metals in some samples there
were also barium, zinc, sodium, manganese and from non-metals boron.

The undertaking of chemical analysis had to be preceded by careful
consideration. The revisionists focussed their attention almost
exclusively on Prussian blue, which is of intense dark-blue colour and
characterized by exceptional fastness. This dye occurs, especially in the
form of stains, on the outer bricks of the walls of the former
bath/delousing house in the area of the Birkenau camp. It is hard to
imagine the chemical reactions and physicochemical processes that could
have led to the formation of Prussian blue in that place. Brick, unlike
other building materials, very feebly absorbs hydrogen cyanide, it
sometimes does not even absorb it at all. Besides, iron occurring in it is
at the third oxidation state, whereas bivalent iron ions are indispensable
for the formation of the [Fe(CN)6]-4 ion, which is the precursor of
Prussian blue. This ion is, besides, sensitive to the sunlight.

J. Bailer (1) writes in the collective work "Amoklauf gegen die
Wirklichkeit" that the formation of Prussian blue in bricks is simply
improbable; however, he takes into consideration the possibility that the
walls of the delousing room were coated with this dye as a paint. It
should be added that this blue coloration does not appear on the walls of
all the delousing rooms.

We decided therefore to determine the cyanide ions using a method that
does not induce the breakdown of the composed ferrum cyanide complex (this
is the blue under discussion) and which fact we had tested before on an
appropriate standard sample. To isolate cyanide compounds from the
materials examined in the form of hydrogen cyanide we used the techniques
of microdiffusion in special Conway-type chambers. The sample under
examination was placed in the internal part of the chamber and next
acidified with 10% sulfuric acid solution and allowed to remain at room
temperature (about 20°C) for 24 hrs. The separated hydrogen cyanide
underwent a quantitative absorption by the lye solution present in the
outer part of the chamber. When the diffusion was brought to an end, a
sample of lye solution was taken and the pyridine-pyrazolone reaction
carried out by Epstein's method (3). The intensity of the polymethene dye
obtained was measured spectrophotometrically at a wavelength equal to 630
nm. The calibration curve was constructed previously and standards with a
known CN- content were introduced into each series of determinations to
check the curve and the course of determination. Each sample of materials
examined was analysed three times. If the result obtained was positive, it
was verified by repeating the analysis. Having applied this method for
many years, we have opportunities to find its high sensitivity,
specificity and precision. Under present circumstances we established the
lower limit of determinability of cyanide ions at a level of 3-4 ,µg CN-
in 1 kg of the sample.

The results of analyses are presented in Tables I-IV. They unequivocally
show that the cyanide compounds occur in all the facilities that,
according to the source data, were in contact with them. On the other
hand, they do not occur in dwelling accommodations, which was shown by
means of control samples. The concentrations of cyanide compounds in the
samples collected from one and the same room or building show great
differences. This indicates that the conditions that favour the formation
of stable compounds as a result of the reaction of hydrogen cyanide with
the components of the walls, occur locally. In this connection it takes
quite a large number of samples from a given facility to give us a chance
to come upon this sort of local accumulation of cyanide compounds.

To complete this research on the cyanide compound content in various camp
facilities, we decided to carry out several pilotage experiments. The
renovation of the Institute building, just in progress, provided us with
materials for this investigation. We divided particular constituents of
these materials (bricks, cement, mortar and plaster) into several 3-4 gram
pieces and placed them into glass chambers, in which we generated hydrogen
cyanide by reacting potassium cyanide and sulfuric acid. We used high
concentrations of this gas (about 2%) and wetted some of the samples with
water. Fumigation took 48 hours at a temperature of about 20°C (Table V).
Another series of samples were treated with hydrogen cyanide as well, but
now in the presence of carbon dioxide. According to calculations, in the
chambers in which people had been gassed the carbon dioxide content
produced in the breathing process of the victims was rather high and in
relation to hydrogen cyanide may have been even as high as 10:1. In our
experiment we applied these two gases (CO2 and HCN) in the 5:1 ratio.
Having been subjected to gassing, the samples were aired in the open air
at a temperature of about 10-15°C. The first analysis was conducted 48
hours after the beginning of airing.

This series of tests allows the statement that mortar absorbs and/or binds
hydrogen cyanide best and also that wet materials show a noticeable
tendency to accumulate hydrogen cyanide whereas brick, especially old
brick, poorly absorbs and/or binds this compound.

+++++++

There follows a table of results

+++++++++

Final Remarks

The present study shows that in spite of the passage of a considerable
period of time (over 45 years) in the walls of the facilities which once
were in contact with hydrogen cyanide the vestigial amounts of the
combinations of this constituent of Zyklon B have been preserved. This is
also true of the ruins of the former gas chambers. The cyanide compounds
occur in the building materials only locally, in the places where the
conditions arose for their formation and persistence for such a long time.
In his reasoning Leuchter (2) claims that the vestigial amounts of cyanide
combinations detected by him in the materials from the chamber ruins are
residues left after fumigations carried out in the Camp "once, long
ago"(Item 14.004 of the Report). This is refuted by the negative results
of the examination of the control samples from living quarters, which are
said to have been subjected to a single gassing, and the fact that in the
period of fumigation of the Camp in connection with a typhoid epidemic in
mid-1942 there were still no crematoria in the Birkenau Camp. The first
crematorium (Crematorium II) was put to use as late as 15 March 1943 and
the others several months later.

Footnotes:

1. The terms "historical revisionism" and "revisionists" in the sense used
there have been introduced into the literature of the field under
discussion.

References


1. Amoklauf gegen die Wirklichkeit. Praca zbiorowa (B. Gallanda, J.
Bailer, F. Freund, T. Geisler, W. Lasek, N. Neugebauer, G. Spenn, W.
Wegner). Bundesministerium fuer Unterricht und Kultur Wien 1991.

2. Der erste Leuchter Report, Toronto 1988, Samisdat Publishers Ltd.,
Toronto 1988.

3. Epstein J., Estimation of Microquantities of Cyanide, Analytical
Chemistry 1947, Vol. 19, p. 272.
4. Gauss E., Vorlesungen ueber Zeitgeschichte, Grabert Vlg. Tuebingen 1993.

5. Pressac J. C., Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers,
B. Klarsfield Foundation, New York 1989.

6. Sehn J., Ob6z Koncentracyjny Oswiecim-Brzezinka. Wydawnictwo Prawnicze,
Warszawa 1960.

7. Wspomnienia, Rudolf, Hoessa, komendanta obozu oswiecimskiego. G16wna
Komisja Badania Zbrodni Hitlerowskich w Polsce. Wydawnistwo Prawnicze,
Warszawa 1956.

The study was performed and funded by the Committee for Scientific
Research under the scheme of Research Project No. 2 P 30 3088 04. Leader
of the Project Prof. Jan Markiewicz.


   
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Topaz
2007-06-17 16:09:58 UTC
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http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science.html
and as propaganda goes, it's pretty good. It is a very clever
deception, replete with brazen accusations against Revisionists for
doing what, in actual fact, the Jews are doing. Nearly every criticism
made on that page should be applied to Holocaust promotion, rather
than to Revisionism, including the claims about underhanded motives, a
priori assumptions, and questionable procedures.
I'd like to call attention to two paragraphs, in particular:
[Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
"When one examines denier "science," one finds that every one of these
rules are violated. Fred Leuchter simply assumed that it would have
taken just as much cyanide to kill people as it took to kill lice.
That's false; lice take much more cyanide to kill and they need to be
exposed to it for a lot longer. He also seems to have assumed that
gassings took place much more often than they really did, apparently
taking the abnormal conditions at the peak of the Hungarian
deportations as being typical of the entire time at Birkenau."
At one time, it was alleged that 4 million people had died in
Auschwitz alone. Later, after Revisionists kept pointing out the
impossibility of that figure, the number was reduced to about one
million. That's still much too high, of course. The number of persons,
both prisoners and guards, both Jews and Gentiles, who died at
Auschwitz during the whole war was about 74,000, according to records
of the camp unsealed by Mikiel Gorbachev. Most of the victims died
from typhus, which was transmitted by the bites of lice, which is why
the Germans used gas chambers to disinfest clothing. I wonder what
sort of "documentation" the Jews used to establish that phony 4
million figure in the first place.
Anyway, although lice do require a higher dose of HCN to be killed
than humans, a delousing chamber would have to be operated only once
in a while because prisoners' clothing (without the prisoners in them)
would not take up as much room as people would. But the Holocaust
fiction requires that millions of people be killed in a fairly small
number of gas chambers, meaning that the average gas chamber would
have had to kill perhaps several hundred thousand people. Obviously,
it would take it many cycles to do so, and on each cycle some HCN
would have come into contact with the iron in the bricks of the
building.
Even if we might suppose that the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas
chambers" would not show quite as much Prussian blue as the delousing
chambers did ? and it is not clear whether this would be the case
however eagerly Nizkor interprets any uncertainty their way ? they
would certainly show more contamination with cyanide compounds than
the guards' barracks does. But they don't. The level of cyanide
compounds found in the alleged extermination facilities is about the
same as the level found in buildings that nobody thinks was used as a
gas chamber. That is the point that Nizkor neglects to mention, for
obvious reasons.
[Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
"Leuchter also assumed that since the delousing chambers have blue
stains (apparently from cyanide compounds such as prussian blue), the
gas chambers would have had the same staining."
Not so fast, Nizkook. If there had been =half= as much Prussian blue
on the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as there was on
the delousing chamber, Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr.
Zundel when he returned to Canada. If there had been even 1/10th as
much Prussian blue on the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas
chambers" as on the delousing chamber, the Jews would still have had a
case. But there is =no= Prussian blue on the walls of the alleged
"homicidal gas chamber."
Let's come at it again from the other direction. If the level of other
cyanide compounds (besides Prussian blue) on the alleged "homicidal
gas chambers" had been 100 times greater than on the walls of the
guards' barracks, then Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr.
Zundel when he returned to Canada. But the level of cyanide compounds
on the inside of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" is commensurate
with the level inside the guards' barracks.
By using tricks of phrasing, the folks at Nizkor tell a tale that
sounds like science and like a high-brow denunciation of the
pseudo-facts of others. But in fact the reverse is true. It is Nizkor
and the rest of the Holohoax promotion organizations that are pushing
the lie on the rest of us. One of the most diabolical of their tricks
is saying that the levels of cyanide compounds in the alleged
"homicidal gas chambers" are higher than the background level, meaning
that the level is higher than the traces of cyanide that you might
expect to find, say, in your average new house, one that had never
been fumigated by Zyklon B. What they are not telling you is that
after one or two fumigations of your new house, it, too, will have
cyanide compound contaminations higher than the background level, yet
nowhere near as much contamination as would eventually accrue if you
began using your home repeatedly as a homicidal gas chamber. If you
did that, Prussian blue would form on your bricks, and the overall
level of cyanide compounds would be about ten thousand times what it
was after your fumigations.
[Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
"In fact, the formation of prussian blue from exposure to cyanide is
not well understood. The rate of its formation, if it is formed at
all, may vary considerably under different circumstances."
Whether we understand =how= it forms or not, we do understand that it
=does= form. And anyway, what is so hard about sticking a brick in an
atmosphere of hydrogen cyanide for various amounts of time in order to
measure the rate of Prussian blue formation? I'd be surprised if
nobody has done this experiment. I think that it should be done, just
to get an idea of the different rates that Prussian blue forms under
different circumstances. That way, we can get partial derivatives for
the rate of Prussian blue formation with respect to each parameter,
and maybe arrive at a generalized least-squares model for the
formation of Prussian blue in any reasonable gas chamber scenario.
Mike Stein interpolated some unnecessary uncertainty into his remark
when he said that the blue stains on the delousing chamber's bricks
were due "apparently" to cyanide compounds such as Prussian blue.
"Apparently," my ass. Those blue stains were =determined= to be
cyanide compounds by Alpha Analytical Laboratory in Ashland,
Massachusetts, and again by another laboratory in Krakow, Poland.
Folks, let this give you an appreciation for the kind of verbal
slipperiness that you can expect from Nizkor, again and again.
Jerry Abbott
http://pw1.netcom.com/~jna/index.html

http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
RedFox
2007-06-17 02:48:39 UTC
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Frederick A. (Fred) Leuchter, Jr. (born 1943) is an American execution
technician who rose to controversy for his testimony in defense of
Holocaust denier Ernst Zündel. He claims to have improved the electric
chair to make it more humane, to have designed a lethal injection machine,
and to have acted as a consultant about gallows and gas chambers,[1]
although a number of U.S. states he claims to have acted as a consultant
for have denied such a relationship ever existed. However, his machines
have been used by several U.S. states. His study for Zündel's trial is
referred to as the Leuchter Report and is often regarded as a scientific
touchstone of Holocaust denial, though his research methods and findings
have been refuted. A documentary, entitled Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of
Fred A. Leuchter, Jr., was released by Errol Morris in 1999.

++++++++++


The investigation at Auschwitz

On the recommendation of Bill Armantrout, warden for Missouri State
Penitentiary in Jefferson City, Missouri, Leuchter was hired by Ernst
Zündel, who was being tried in Canada for publishing works of Holocaust
denial, to investigate and testify as an expert witness at his trial, at a
salary of $35,000. In his capacity as warden, Armontrout was personally
responsible for carrying out executions by the use of cyanide gas.[1]
Leuchter traveled to Auschwitz and Birkenau to illegally examine the
structures identified as gas chambers, and concluded that they could not
have been used for mass murder. Zündel's Samisdat Publications published
his findings as The Leuchter Report: An Engineering Report on the Alleged
Execution Chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek Poland (published
in England by Irving's publisher, Focal Point Publications, as Auschwitz:
The End of the Line: The Leuchter Report - The First Forensic Examination
of Auschwitz) which the court accepted only as evidentiary display and not
as direct evidence; Leuchter was therefore required to explicate it and
testify to the veracity of his findings under oath in the trial.[1] His
report was widely republished and translated by various denial
organizations, and he has since lectured on it and his subsequent
experiences.[1] Protests were organized in response. Leuchter's defenders
say these protests destroyed his career and his life.

In 1988, Leuchter traveled to several sites of structures identified as
gas chambers, where he collected samples from walls, ceilings and floors
since he did not have permission to take samples, using a chisel and
hammer to chip and scrape off pieces of the masonry.[1] He took copious
notes about the floor plans and layout, and all of his actions were
videotaped by a cameraman. (Leuchter, who had been married for about one
month before the trip, told his wife that the trip to Auschwitz-Birkenau
was their honeymoon.[1]) Leuchter then brought the samples back to Boston,
where he presented them to Alpha Analytical Laboratories, a top
laboratory, for testing. Leuchter told Alpha only that the samples were to
be used as evidence in a court case about an industrial accident. The lab
tested them for exposure to cyanide and found trace amounts in the alleged
crematoria, which Leuchter dismissed in his report:

"It is notable that almost all the samples were negative and that the few
that were positive were very close to the detection level (1mg/kg); 6.7
mg/kg at Krema III; 7.9 mg/kg at Krema I. The absence of any consequential
readings at any of the tested locations as compared to the control sample
reading 1050 mg/kg supports the evidence that these facilities were not
execution gas chambers. The small quantities detected would indicate that
at some point these buildings were deloused with Zyklon B - as were all
the buildings at all these facilities".


Leuchter does not address the discrepancy between the trace amounts of
cyanide which he dismisses vs. the complete lack of any cyanide residue
found in his sample 12, a sample taken from a gasket in an unrelated
building intended for use as a negative control [1]; instead he only
compares the low amounts in the alleged Krema to the higher readings in
his positive control sample.

Lab manager James Roth swore under oath to the results at the trial.[1] It
was only after he got off the stand that Roth learned what the trial was
about. In an interview for Morris's film, Roth states that cyanide would
have formed an extremely fine layer on the walls, to the depth of
one-tenth of a human hair. Leuchter had taken samples of indeterminate
thickness (he is seen in Morris's film hammering at the bricks with a rock
hammer).[1] Not informed of this, Roth had pulverized the entire samples,
thus severely diluting the cyanide-containing layer of each sample with an
indeterminate amount of brick, varying for each sample. Roth offers the
analogy that the tests were like looking at timbers when one needed to be
looking at the paint.[1]

Leuchter did not examine the walls of the gas chambers until fifty years
after they had been used; his critics note that it would have been
virtually impossible to discover any cyanide at all using his method. In
fact, tests conducted on ventilation grates immediately after the end of
the war showed substantial amounts of cyanide. The chambers were
demolished by the Nazis when they abandoned Auschwitz, and the facilities
Leuchter examined were, in fact, partially reconstructed. Leuchter was
unaware that part of the camp and chambers were reconstructed, so he had
no way of knowing if the bricks he was scraping were actually part of the
original gas chamber.

Leuchter also asserted that the necessary ventilation systems and other
pieces simply would not fit. Documents from the period show that the gas
chambers in fact had powerful ventilators capable of clearing the gas
chambers in minutes. When challenged in court, Leuchter said he was
unaware of those documents.

Many of Leuchter's conclusions are based on the assumption that it takes
20 to 30 hours to air a room disinfected with Zyklon-B; since far lower
concentrations are required when gassing people it actually takes 20 to 30
minutes to air out the room and the forced ventilation systems used are
more than adequate to allow the gas chambers to be operated without
endangering the executioners. When questioned in court, Leuchter admitted
he had not seen a document by the Waffen SS Commandant for construction
issued when the gas chambers were constructed which estimated they had a
24 hour capacity of 4756 people, more than 30 times Leuchter's estimate of
156.

During the trial, Leuchter also made claims that it would be dangerous to
house the furnaces for cremating the victims in the same building in which
the gas chambers were located, because the "gas might explode" The gas
only explodes at a minimal concentration of 56,000 PPM, about 200 times
more than the lethal concentration.[1] Leuchter also testified that it was
impossible to kill six million people at Auschwitz (six million is the
estimate commonly given for all Jews killed during the Holocaust, not the
estimated number of those gassed at Auschwitz.)[1] Further in regards to
Leuchter's estimates on the numbers who could be killed by gas chambers at
Auschwitz:

Leuchter arrives at his figures assuming that the people could occupy the
gas chambers at a density of maximum 1 person per 9 square feet (a density
of 1.2/m©—) and that it would take a week to ventilate the gas chambers
before they could be used for another mass execution. These assumptions
are absurd.[2]


Leuchter's opposition to the possibility of gas chambers rests on the
relatively low concentration of cyanide residue measured in his sample of
the remains of the supposed gas chambers in Auschwitz, compared to his
sample of the "delousing chambers" in which clothes were deloused using
the same gas, hydrogen cyanide. However, his report contains the
assumption that lower concentrations are required for delousing than to
kill humans and other warm blooded creatures; in fact, with their simpler
structures and slower metabolisms, insects are more resistant to such
gross metabolic poisons than mammals. Both toxicological study and
practical experience demonstrate that it takes a much higher concentration
of cyanide (16,000 parts per million) to kill insects than to kill humans
(300 PPM), as well as an exposure time of many hours rather than only
minutes. Leuchter also fails to explain his belief that Zyklon-B was used
for delousing, in view of his belief that the product would present
technical difficulties in ventilating and decontaminating such as to make
it impractical for use in a gas chamber.

Leuchter initially denied any desire to disprove the Holocaust, and claims
he only came to doubt its occurrence as a result of being convinced that
the structures he saw were not gas chambers. He claims he conducted the
investigation and testified about it because he believed in freedom of
speech and freedom of thought and felt that people should be allowed to
publish their views, however misguided and that he believes every man
deserves a fair trial (Zündel was facing 25 years in prison if he lost),
and he was the only expert competent to provide the key testimony.
However, critics argue that Leuchter had a profitable career as an "expert
witness" for hire who would say whatever his contractor wanted him to say
and, according to trial testimony, Zündel paid Leuchter $35,000 for his
report.
Topaz
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Post by RedFox
Frederick A. (Fred) Leuchter, Jr. (born 1943) is an American execution
technician who rose to controversy for his testimony in defense of
Holocaust denier Ernst Zündel. He claims to have improved the electric
chair to make it more humane, to have designed a lethal injection machine,
THis is a verbatim copy of "The Return of Mr Death" which
appeared in THE BARNES REVIEW, jAN/fEB 2002.

By Fred Leuchter

With the reinstitution of capital punishment in the United
States, the ancient execution equipment in place at the
state prisons had to be used. None of it had worked properly
in the first place, and, being old and dysfunctional, it
could not be expected to work properly in the future.
Because my father had worked so long in the Massachusetts
prison system (more than 40 years) and because I was an
engineer, I was asked to investigate the Massachusetts
electric chair and determine what needed be done to make it
functional.

Because I was familiar with the Massachusetts system I was
asked by more and more states to help them rebuild and
repair their execution equipment to enable them to conduct a
competent execution and not torture the executees. By 1990 I
was on a first name basis with every warden in the country
and was consulting in all states with a capital punishment
requirement.

I invented the lethal injection machine, built improved
electric chairs, designed and built gallows and designed gas
chambers. I had written the established protocol for all
four modes of execution and was the only federal court
certified expert in execution technology and electrocution
technology. ABC News, in a profile televised on Prime Time
Live, dubbed me "Dr. Death." I routinely testified in court
on defective equipment and botched executions.

[Revisionist] Dr. Robert Faurisson contacted me in 1988 on
the referral of the U.S. prison system on behalf of Ernst
Zundel, who was facing trial in Canada on a freedom of
speech issue regarding the alleged existence and operation
of gas chambers for mass human executions by the German
government during World War II. I was to [asked] appear as
an expert witness in the court at Toronto. I accepted.

In my capacity as expert witness, I was briefed with all
manner of Holocaust literature and sent to Poland to
investigate the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau
and Majdanek. I, with the aid of my draftsman, film crew and
forensic samples taken [from the European gas chambers] and
analyzed in the United States, testified in court and
presented a document now known as The Leuchter Report. This
testimony and report, accepted as evidence in the Canadian
court, forever disproved the existence of gas chambers at
the investigated locations. I appeared onErnst Zundel's
behalf for two reasons: his right of free speech, and his
right to present an adequate defense. Those two reasons are
still important now.

For this, I was vilified and attacked both verbally and
physically by various Jewish organizations including the
Anti?Defamation League [of B'nai B'rith] and the Marsfeld
Foundation [notorious "Nazi?hunters"?Ed.]. I was prosecuted
for practicing as an engineer without a license, a charge
which was later dropped by order of the court. Three
court?appointed lawyers withdrew because of death threats. I
was represented by Kirk Lyons, from Texas, alone, the one
and only time a "foreign" attorney was allowed to practice,
without co?counsel, in the commonwealth of Massachusetts.
Despite lies circulated by the Anti?Defamation League, I was
not "on probation," and the only constraint required by the
judge (and she noted to my lawyer it was not really a
constraint) was that I should not say I was licensed. I had
never made such a claim, and no license is, or was, ever
required in any state.

I was followed by Mossad agents, threatened constantly and
had my house firebombed. Police from all over the state had
to come to protect my family and me. Because of threats to
prison wardens and state officials, and Jewish legislators
threatening to pass illegal "laws" to prevent my working for
states, my business was totally destroyed. I, for the most
part, became an unemployable pariah.



I was asked the following year [1989] to appear as an expert
in a German court in Munich, again for Zundel, which I did.
I was ruled competent to appear the following year [1990],
something which the pro?Holocaust zealots [desired to]
prevent. It would be unthinkable that competent expert
testimony should ever be given in a German court destroying
the Holocaust myth. Earlier that same year [1989], the
German minister of science had ruled that The Leuchter
Report was a scientific document. It was legal to discuss
the report. I spoke a number of times while in Germany that
year, most notably at Weinheim, where I was translated by
Giinter Deckert, to a group of academicians.

Later that year, and unbeknownst to me, the enlightened
German minister of science, who had classified The Leuchter
Report as a scientific document, had been removed by the
pro?Holocaust zealots, and, because I spoke about the
report, a decision was made to arrest me. This can be done
since, under the Napoleonic code [which applies in Germany],
a law can be applied retroactively. Now they had to get me
to [come] to Germany.

Meanwhile, I went to England to speak at a history club
meeting at the request of David Irving. I was taken into
custody while on stage and speaking by the chief inspector
[from] the Chelsea police station, without [a] warrant, at
the behest of the pro?Holocaust zealots. I was imprisoned
with all manner of common criminals that evening and was
questioned by two officers of her majesty's Immigration
Service from 2:00 A.M. to 6:00 A.M., looking for some excuse
to deport me. At 8:00 A.M. I was met by another officer of
her majesty's Immigration Service, who was concerned that
British law was being violated by my detention. He made it
clear that I did not matter, but the law did.

I was told that I was to be deported first to France, then
Belgium and finally Germany. This would all take several
weeks. If I demanded to be sent home to the United States,
however, this bureaucrat would do so, in compliance with the
law. I had demanded so the prior evening, on tape, and since
the other officers were not abiding by the law, he would. I
repeated my demand to go home, and I was returned to New
York City at her majesty's expense. I was officially persona
non grata in the United Kingdom, as is inscribed on my
passport.

Several months later I was asked to appear on a live German
television show in Munich. I qualified the appearance to
deal only with the electric chair and executions in the
United States, since I had been advised that my report was
no longer a scientific document, and such discussion [was
therefore] banned. I was not aware of the retroactive
application provision of the Napoleonic code. I flew to
Munich with my wife and, while at the television station
awaiting broadcast, I was seized by officers of the Mannheim
Police. I had been set up. I inquired about the existence of
a warrant and was told none existed. I responded that I
would not go to Mannheim and was told that I would be taken
by force. And so I was. The television show host begged the
police to allow me to go on the show first. But they
refused. (I was about to air the entire illegal procedure,
live.)

I was spirited across Germany in the dead of night,
photographed and fingerprinted. I was permitted to see my
lawyer for 10 minutes before I saw the judge. Due process
being nonexistent in Germany, [the judge] committed me to
the "bastille" without delay. I remained in Mannheim Prison
in solitary confinement for six weeks. Prison officials,
because of the lax security, were afraid that someone would
kill me; and thus I was not permitted out of my cell. I
endured several searches and was permitted to possess a
"spear" I made from an old mop. I had only two showers the
entire time I was there. I remained locked in through one
riot and many early?morning threats outside my door.

My attorney was finally able to secure a bail hearing after
six weeks. I was taken in handcuff's to the court and
brought before a panel of three judges, who, after hearing
my attorney's pleas, denied bail. The lead judge ordered me
handcuffed and returned to prison. I made a remark to my
lawyer about this "kangaroo court," which the lead judge did
not like. He asked me directly what my objections were, and
I gave him my complaints. They agreed to consider bail,
retired to deliberate, and returned granting bail.
I was taken to their chambers and given coffee while we
awaited the posting of [a] bond. I agreed to return in
several months for trial. If convicted, I faced eight years.
I was [officially] freed and was [temporarily] returned to
the prison to get my things and, subsequently, placed on a
Lufthansa plane to the United States. I was afraid the court
might change its mind and turn the plane around. It turned
out my fears were not unjustified.
I planned to return to face trial. A week prior to my court
appearance, I was called by an attorney, who shall remain
nameless, who represented an inmate in Mannheim, who shall
also remain nameless, with a message from his client, to
whom I shall be forever grateful. I was told that the day
following my release the prosecutor returned [from vacation]
too late to prevent my "escape." He had enough power to
replace the three judges who [had] granted my bail, revoke
my bail and issue a fugitive warrant for my immediate
arrest, all without advising my attorney. I was further told
that if I returned to Mannheim I would immediately be
returned to Mannheim Prison, where I would be murdered.
I discussed the matter with my attorney, who said that it
could not be true [he believed he would have been told by
the German officials of these developments]. I decided not
to return and asked my attorney to advise the court of my
decision, and why.
My attorney appeared at court, and, before he could advise
the court that I would not be appearing, all I had told him
was confirmed. The bail was returned. No explanation was
given [as] to the court's failure to advise him earlier.
In the meanwhile, I had [again] been threatened with death
if I returned, and my family and friends had also been
similarly threatened. At that point, I determined that it
would be best if I lowered my profile. I dropped out of
sight.
The end result of all this was the breakup of my marriage,
the destruction of my personal life and the loss of my
business. In addition, I was "unemployable."
I accepted a job in California. I lived there for several
years and that's where I met Terri, my present wife. I
cannot discuss for whom I am working and what I am doing for
fear that there will be reprisals. The project that I am
working on, being almost completed, permitted me to accept a
kind invitation to renew many old acquaintances and attend
this conference.
Lastly, I would like to mention the movie Mr. Death. Errol
Morris, the producer, had started the movie some seven years
earlier but put the project on a back burner. He managed to
find me two years ago and wanted to begin the film again.
The film story was to be told similarly to President [John
F.] Kennedy's Profiles an Courage: my investigations in
Poland and my subsequent destruction by Jewish
organizations. His first cut of the film did precisely that.
[Morris] chose to call me "Mr. Death" instead of "Dr. Death"
to avoid confusion with Dr. [Jack] Kevorkian, who had been
given the same name as me. All his films contain only one
person and [narrative from both] the subject and the
producer. [His first cut
of the film] was shown at Harvard University in Cambridge.
The viewers came away from the screening believing that
there were no gas chambers used by the Germans during World
War II.

Subsequently, Morris's arm was twisted by various Jewish
elements, resulting in a new second half to the film?with
the same Jewish troublemakers, who had caused me so much
grief in the past, spewing out their foul lies. Even the
chemist who analyzed the Auschwitz samples, and determined
them to be cyanide free, now was lying as well, causing one
to ask if he perjured himself in court. Further, attempts
were made to try to make me look foolish. The end result was
a film that failed to earn [Morris] his expected Oscar,
failed to be accepted and shown by the contracting
television company and which finally had to be sold for
distribution through Blockbuster.


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RedFox
2007-06-20 23:04:14 UTC
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Frederick A. (Fred) Leuchter, Jr. (born 1943) is an American execution
technician who rose to controversy for his testimony in defense of
Holocaust denier Ernst Zündel. He claims to have improved the electric
chair to make it more humane, to have designed a lethal injection machine,
Leuchter is a fraud who was drummed up to produce a report that neo nazis
could fix on in order to deny the Holocaust

Unfortunately the Holocaust DID happen - the evidence is irrefutable

HOWEVER

In order to put the matter to rest Leuchters credentials were examined and
found to be faulty and inadequate - His methodology was examined and found
to be unscientific and his experiments were also found to have been
illegally carried out

The people refuting Leuchter however decided that despite all this
evidence against Leuchter, there would still be foolish people who
continued using the Leichter report to refute the Holocaust so they
repeated the experiments under proper scientific conditions

He was found to have been wrong or lied - or having simply not understood
his own results. Chemical evidence for the Holocaust remains in the ruins
of Auschwitz

Leuchter merely served as the impetus to check what was already clearly
evidence and accepted.

You have been had - or you are a Nazi telling lies yourself

That is all

Zundel is in Jail and will stay there

If you go to Germany you can join him
Topaz
2007-06-21 22:52:55 UTC
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http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science.html
and as propaganda goes, it's pretty good. It is a very clever
deception, replete with brazen accusations against Revisionists for
doing what, in actual fact, the Jews are doing. Nearly every criticism
made on that page should be applied to Holocaust promotion, rather
than to Revisionism, including the claims about underhanded motives, a
priori assumptions, and questionable procedures.
I'd like to call attention to two paragraphs, in particular:
[Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
"When one examines denier "science," one finds that every one of these
rules are violated. Fred Leuchter simply assumed that it would have
taken just as much cyanide to kill people as it took to kill lice.
That's false; lice take much more cyanide to kill and they need to be
exposed to it for a lot longer. He also seems to have assumed that
gassings took place much more often than they really did, apparently
taking the abnormal conditions at the peak of the Hungarian
deportations as being typical of the entire time at Birkenau."
At one time, it was alleged that 4 million people had died in
Auschwitz alone. Later, after Revisionists kept pointing out the
impossibility of that figure, the number was reduced to about one
million. That's still much too high, of course. The number of persons,
both prisoners and guards, both Jews and Gentiles, who died at
Auschwitz during the whole war was about 74,000, according to records
of the camp unsealed by Mikiel Gorbachev. Most of the victims died
from typhus, which was transmitted by the bites of lice, which is why
the Germans used gas chambers to disinfest clothing. I wonder what
sort of "documentation" the Jews used to establish that phony 4
million figure in the first place.
Anyway, although lice do require a higher dose of HCN to be killed
than humans, a delousing chamber would have to be operated only once
in a while because prisoners' clothing (without the prisoners in them)
would not take up as much room as people would. But the Holocaust
fiction requires that millions of people be killed in a fairly small
number of gas chambers, meaning that the average gas chamber would
have had to kill perhaps several hundred thousand people. Obviously,
it would take it many cycles to do so, and on each cycle some HCN
would have come into contact with the iron in the bricks of the
building.
Even if we might suppose that the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas
chambers" would not show quite as much Prussian blue as the delousing
chambers did ? and it is not clear whether this would be the case
however eagerly Nizkor interprets any uncertainty their way ? they
would certainly show more contamination with cyanide compounds than
the guards' barracks does. But they don't. The level of cyanide
compounds found in the alleged extermination facilities is about the
same as the level found in buildings that nobody thinks was used as a
gas chamber. That is the point that Nizkor neglects to mention, for
obvious reasons.
[Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
"Leuchter also assumed that since the delousing chambers have blue
stains (apparently from cyanide compounds such as prussian blue), the
gas chambers would have had the same staining."
Not so fast, Nizkook. If there had been =half= as much Prussian blue
on the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as there was on
the delousing chamber, Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr.
Zundel when he returned to Canada. If there had been even 1/10th as
much Prussian blue on the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas
chambers" as on the delousing chamber, the Jews would still have had a
case. But there is =no= Prussian blue on the walls of the alleged
"homicidal gas chamber."
Let's come at it again from the other direction. If the level of other
cyanide compounds (besides Prussian blue) on the alleged "homicidal
gas chambers" had been 100 times greater than on the walls of the
guards' barracks, then Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr.
Zundel when he returned to Canada. But the level of cyanide compounds
on the inside of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" is commensurate
with the level inside the guards' barracks.
By using tricks of phrasing, the folks at Nizkor tell a tale that
sounds like science and like a high-brow denunciation of the
pseudo-facts of others. But in fact the reverse is true. It is Nizkor
and the rest of the Holohoax promotion organizations that are pushing
the lie on the rest of us. One of the most diabolical of their tricks
is saying that the levels of cyanide compounds in the alleged
"homicidal gas chambers" are higher than the background level, meaning
that the level is higher than the traces of cyanide that you might
expect to find, say, in your average new house, one that had never
been fumigated by Zyklon B. What they are not telling you is that
after one or two fumigations of your new house, it, too, will have
cyanide compound contaminations higher than the background level, yet
nowhere near as much contamination as would eventually accrue if you
began using your home repeatedly as a homicidal gas chamber. If you
did that, Prussian blue would form on your bricks, and the overall
level of cyanide compounds would be about ten thousand times what it
was after your fumigations.
[Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
"In fact, the formation of prussian blue from exposure to cyanide is
not well understood. The rate of its formation, if it is formed at
all, may vary considerably under different circumstances."
Whether we understand =how= it forms or not, we do understand that it
=does= form. And anyway, what is so hard about sticking a brick in an
atmosphere of hydrogen cyanide for various amounts of time in order to
measure the rate of Prussian blue formation? I'd be surprised if
nobody has done this experiment. I think that it should be done, just
to get an idea of the different rates that Prussian blue forms under
different circumstances. That way, we can get partial derivatives for
the rate of Prussian blue formation with respect to each parameter,
and maybe arrive at a generalized least-squares model for the
formation of Prussian blue in any reasonable gas chamber scenario.
Mike Stein interpolated some unnecessary uncertainty into his remark
when he said that the blue stains on the delousing chamber's bricks
were due "apparently" to cyanide compounds such as Prussian blue.
"Apparently," my ass. Those blue stains were =determined= to be
cyanide compounds by Alpha Analytical Laboratory in Ashland,
Massachusetts, and again by another laboratory in Krakow, Poland.
Folks, let this give you an appreciation for the kind of verbal
slipperiness that you can expect from Nizkor, again and again.
Jerry Abbott
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RedFox
2007-06-17 02:51:01 UTC
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n October 1990, the state of Massachusetts brought criminal charges
against Leuchter for representing himself as an engineer without a
license.[1] Leuchter says he was a victim of selective prosecution, since
only 10% of engineers are actually licensed. Critics have argued that
Leuchter not only lacks an engineering license but hasn't an engineering
degree or other professional certification or recognised credential ‹ his
only education consists of a BA in history, which he completed in 1964. He
admits to having no formal training in toxicology, biology or
chemistry.[1] Additionally, while Leuchter had some experience with
electric chairs and lethal injection systems it was discovered that his
claims of expertise in the area of gas chambers was a fabrication and he
had no experience with them.

When he tried to sell parts of a lethal injection machine and other
inventory from Fred Leuchter Associates, much of it items pending work for
various states who refused to pay him for previously contracted or agreed
work, he was again charged (Leuchter claims that the Massachusetts
Attorney General had to explain that the sale of the offered equipment was
not, in fact, illegal); his wife divorced him in this same period.[1] The
issues surrounding the equipment sale were covered in Boston area
newspapers. Leuchter further claimed that states (he has named Delaware
and its Deputy Attorney General, Fred Silverman) refused to do business
with him and reneged on existing agreements not because of his lack of
qualification but because of his involvement in the Zündel trial.

Now without a job or wife, he received an offer to come out to California,
but the company he went to work for ran out of money, leaving Leuchter
stranded. David Irving, speaking several years before losing his libel
lawsuit against Deborah Lipstadt and the ruin of his own reputation before
a British court, expressed surprise that Leuchter did not commit suicide
as a result of his destitution. Irving has called Leuchter a "simpleton"
even as he has said that Leuchter's report convinced him that the received
history Holocaust is a lie (Lipstadt's counsel in the libel trial cited
Irving's contemporaneous statements to this effect in his opening
statement).

Leuchter was arrested in and shortly thereafter deported from the United
Kingdom in November 1991. He had been banned from entering the country by
the Home Office and his entry and presence in the country was therefore
considered illegal. Leuchter claimed that United States consulate
personnel effectively refused him aid. He had been interrupted while
giving an invited speech at Irving's instigation; his talk followed
immediately one by Faurisson. The account of this incident was given in
the same speech from which the previous quoted block was taken. Leuchter
has also referenced all the adversities to that date following his
appearance in the Zündel trial, attributing them to a larger Jewish
conspiracy against him, directed by Beate Klarsfeld and her Paris-based
foundation.


Repetition of Leuchter's examination

In February of 1990, Professor Jan Markiewicz, Director of the Forensic
Institute of Cracow, redid the analysis.[1][2] Markiewicz decided that the
Prussian blue test was unreliable because it depended on the acidity of
the environment, which was low in the gas chambers. Markiewicz and his
team used microdiffusion techniques to test for cyanide in samples from
the gas chambers, from delousing chambers, and from living areas elsewhere
within Auschwitz. The living quarter samples (negative controls) tested
negative, while cyanide residue was found in both the delousing chambers
and the gas chambers. The amount of cyanide found had a great variability
(possibly due to 50 years of exposure to the elements to varying
degrees[3]), but even so, the categorical results were that cyanide was
found where expected in both the gas chambers and the delousing
facilities, and not found in the living quarters, supporting the
hypothesis that the gas chambers were exposed to high levels of cyanide
like the delousing facilities, and not low levels for routine fumigation,
like the living quarters.
Topaz
2007-06-17 16:11:56 UTC
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n October 1990, the state of Massachusetts brought criminal charges
against Leuchter for representing himself as an engineer without a
license.[1]
Leuchter didn't do any business in Massachusetts (no death penalty
there) where the engineering nit picking was brought to court due to
Jewish pressure. This means it had nothing to do with any job
applications or anything like that. It had to do with Leuchter saying
he was an engineer in private conversation and some papers. He might
have said he was an engineer in the Leuchter report, I don't totally
recall.
It is as ridiculous as it sounds that he was taken to court over it.
And this was shortly after making the Leuchter report. The situation
is easy to understand by people in the know. It is simply that America
is ruled by the Jews.
He was charged with falsely claiming to be an engineer. The fact is
that he was an engineer because he did engineering work, he didn't
have a piece of paper to prove it but neither did Henry Ford.
Leuchter also did not do business with the general public but only
with prisons. The charge against him was a technicality that was only
brought to court because of the Jews. Everyone knew this at the time.
Jews and other leftists were outside the courtroom holding signs
saying Leuchter was a Nazi and things like that. Leuchter's supporters
were also there with signs. Many of his supporters wore black armbands
that said "Free Speech".
He made some kind of deal in court saying he wouldn't call himself a
engineer anymore and the case ended. Everyone knew the real reason he
was brought to court-because he made the Leuchter Report.
He also lost all his work in the prisons for telling the truth about
the alleged "gas chambers". Jews like to brag about how many
historians and other people believe in their holohoax. They don't tell
you what happens to people who don't believe. In Germany they are sent
to prison. In America they lose their jobs.




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RedFox
2007-06-20 23:07:29 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>, Topaz
<***@hotmail.com> wrote:

The charge against him was a technicality that was only
Post by Topaz
brought to court because of the Jews. Everyone knew this at the time.
Jews and other leftists were outside the courtroom holding signs
saying Leuchter was a Nazi and things like that. Leuchter's supporters
were also there with signs. Many of his supporters wore black armbands
that said "Free Speech".
Which is the very last thing you Nazis belive in

You even seek to eradicate the memory of those poor children who were
thrown living into the cremation ovens when the gas ran out

Their screams are remembered to this day by those who heard them

You are a very sick man indeed

You need help to get over what made you like you are

That is all
Topaz
2007-06-21 22:53:50 UTC
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"Holocaust revisionism, ie, the examination of the supposed
genociding of Jews in the Third Reich. The generally-accepted version
of this event -- or, more properly, this NON-event -- is what I call
the Orthodox Jewish Version of the Holocaust, or OJV for short, which
holds in its present version that the nazis killed 'six million' Jews
in 'gas chambers'. As it happens, however, there are numerous problems
with the OJV. The following is a list of the major ones.

* The 'evidence' for the OJV consists primarily of the records of the
court proceedings of the Nuremberg trials. As it happens, however,
vengeful Jews were largely in charge of these trials. (According to
Louis Marshalko in his book The World Conquerers, of the 3000 persons
on the trial staff, 2400 were Jews.) Adding to the problem was the
fact that (1) there was no historical precedent for war crimes trials
in which only the vanquished were called to account for their actions;
and (2) these trials violated the fundamental principle of fairness
that no one is to be tried for violating a law that was instituted 'ex
post facto', ie, after the crime was committed.

* 'Confessions' used in the trial were highly dubious, since many were
extracted by torture or or other unethical means, such as threatening
the families of the accused (According to British scholar Vivian Bird,
more than one hundred German defendants had their testicles beaten to
a pulp by 'interrogators'.) Two confessions were particularly
egregious: That of Rudolf Hoss, commandant of Auschwitz, which was
(among other things) written in a language he did not even understand,
and which provided the major basis for the 'six million' figure; and
that of Kurt Gerstein, the dubiousness of which was the subject of a
French doctoral dissertation.

* Many of the atrocities that were seriously alleged at the trials are
now rejected by even establishment historians as false, the most
prominent of which are the stories that Jewish bodies were made into
soap and their skin was made into lampshades. Evidently such stories
were created as war propaganda, just as were similar stories in WW1
about 'Huns' who were 'bayonetting babies'.

* The defendants in the trials had no opportunity to gather evidence
in their defense, and in addition were often given poor food,
subjected to freezing weather without proper clothing, deprived of
sleep, and -- as stated earlier -- often brutally beaten. Furthermore,
those who were condemned to death had their sentences postponed until
they could be carried out on the Jewish High Holy Days in a sort of
'blood libel' celebration.

* The printed trial transcripts often do not match the trial
recordings, and were evidently deliberately changed to cover up
embarrassing facts brought out by defendants in their trials.

* Auschwitz was not a 'death camp', as alleged at the trials, but a
large industrial complex in Poland, and the inmates were forced
laborers. The nazis were desperate for labor, so it would have been
irrational for them to have 'gassed' anyone, and equally irrational
for them to have mistreated inmates or underfed them. In fact, there
was a special court, under SS Judge Konrad Morgen, to try complaints
against camp personnel for abusing inmates. Beyond this, Heinrich
Himmler, who held principal authority over the camps, sent a memo to
all camp commandants stating that inmate deaths must be reduced 'at
all costs' -- hardly something one would expect to find in a 'death
camp'. And while it was alleged at the trials that 4 million Jews were
'gassed' at Auschwitz, the German camp records were not admitted into
evidence, and would probably have vindicated many of the defendants if
they had been. In particular, the Auschwitz death books, which were
released by the Russian government about a decade ago, show that only
about 74,000 people died at Auschwitz in all the years of its
operation, most from typhus, with only about 30,000 of them being
Jews. Furthermore, the crematoria were intended not for the 'killing
of Jews', but rather for the sanitary disposal of the bodies of those
who died from typhus.

* While there were Allied spies in most camps reporting on camp
conditions by radio, none of these spies ever made a report about mass
killings or 'gas chambers'. The idea of 'gas chambers' evidently arose
from the fact that all the clothes of arriving inmates were
disinfected in a kind of gas chamber in which Zyklon B was used to
kill lice which were feared as disease vectors (Lousy Jews?). These
delousing chambers, it should be noted, were far too small for killing
people, particularly in the numbers posited by the OJV. It should also
be noted that Zyklon B, the form of cyanide supposedly used to kill
Jews, was in fact a special form of slow- release cyanide which was
appropriate for de-lousing clothing, but inappropriate for the
instantaneous killing that was supposedly done in the "gas chambers".
(The irony of Germans being accused of killing Jews by an instrument
which they (Germans) used for preserving Jewish lives should not go
unnoticed.) In addition, as revisionists have noted, such killings
would have been impossible on the scale claimed by the OJV because
cyanide is so dangerous that the bodies would have had to lie for
hours before they could be safely removed, even by those wearing
protective clothing and gas masks. Beyond this, cyanide gas is
explosive, so that any little spark, as from the friction of shoes on
the floor, or any flame, as from a cigaret, would have caused any 'gas
chamber' to be transported to the place where it was supposedly
sending Jews.

* Revisionists have proved that the rooms alleged to be 'gas chambers'
could not possibly have served this purpose. The first investigation
of this problem was done not for the Nuremberg trials, but rather many
years later by Fred Leuchter, an American engineer and execution
expert, who took samples from the walls of supposed 'gas chambers' at
several camps and found that there was essentially no cyanide residue
-- an impossibility if the rooms had been used as alleged. (Altho
Leuchter's work was flawed, his conclusions have been confirmed
independently by two other experts, Walter Luftl and Germar Rudolf.)
Other problems posed for the OJV by the alleged 'gas chambers' involve
such things as no air circulatory system for dispersing or ventilating
the gas, no means for heating the Zyklon B discs for proper dispersal,
the fact that the doors of the 'gas chambers' opened from the INSIDE,
and that Allied aerial photographs of Auschwitz during the war showed
no holes in the roof of the supposed 'gas chambers' which would have
allowed the introduction of Zyklon B -- a point made by Holocaust
revisionists in their oft-repeated challenge, "No holes; no
Holocaust!"

* There is no good evidence that nazi references to the 'final
solution to the Jewish question' referred to anything other than
removal of Jews from the area of the Third Reich, the (false)
allegations about the Wansee Conference notwithstanding. In
particular, no 'Hitler order' (or order from anyone else) has ever
been discovered, in spite of the known German propensity for extensive
record-keeping, altho there is an internal memo of a phone
conversation with Hitler signed by Hans Lemmerer of the Ministry of
the Interior showing that Hitler wanted the solution of the Jewish
problem SHELVED until the end of the war. Beyond this, the nazis
actually cooperated with the Zionists under the so-called Transfer
Agreement ("Ha'avara") to train Jews for settlement in Palestine, and
the training camps for Zionists were the only places in nazi Germany
in which the flag of the Zionist state was allowed to fly.

* Jewish population numbers published in standard reference works both
before and after the war do not show a decrease of Jewish numbers, but
rather an INCREASE. These reference works also demonstrate that THERE
WERE NOT EVEN SIX MILLION JEWS IN NAZI-OCCUPIED EUROPE
DURING THE PERIOD.

* The 'six million' is a mystical number derived from Jewish
scripture, and in particular is the number of Jews who are said to be
required to die before Israel can be re-established. This accounts for
why "New York governor Martin Glynn, in a major Albany speech in
October 1919 [that's TWENTY YEARS BEFORE THE START OF
WORLD WAR TWO, for all you who are a tad weak on dates], reported at
length on the 'holocaust [of] six million Jewish men and women' who
were dying due to the 'awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for
Jewish blood' during the 'Great War'" (Irena Zdiarska, "Holocaust Is
Undeniable -- But Should Be Debated", Barnes Review Oct 94: 27)). It
also accounts for the fact that, in spite of the formal reduction from
4 to 1.1 million of the number of Jews claimed to have been killed at
Auschwitz (see pix of Auschwitz plaques below), the 'six million'
number has never changed, and thus that in the Orwellian Kabbalistic
mathematics on which it is based, six minus three still equals six.


* The OJV has changed significantly over the years. We have already
mentioned that the 'soap' and 'lampshade' allegations are now rejected
by even establishment historians, altho this does not keep Jews from
continuing to hold burial ceremonies for newly-discovered bars of old
Reich soap (we don't know whether they have also done the same for
lampshades.) Another feature of the original OJV that has now changed
was the allegation that Jews were exterminated at the camps in Germany
as well as Poland -- an allegation which has been abandoned for some
time. Yet another abandoned allegation is that mass killings were
carried out by means of steam, electricity, gas vans (using the
exhaust), and burning in pits; and in fact, the Holocaust received its
name from the latter allegation -- yet another irony of this congeries
of lies.

* The one thing which has done most to convince people that the
allegations of German atrocities are true is the film clips we have
all seen of the liberation of the concentration camps, in which bodies
are shown piled high, and surviving inmates are seen to be little more
than walking skeletons. But in fact these admittedly-shocking films do
not make a case for German atrocities, and in fact actually refute the
notion of "gas chambers": If Germans were gassing Jews by the
millions, as the OJV alleges, then Jews simply would not be around
long enuf to starve, as the "walking skeletons" and emaciated bodies
of the dead obviously were doing. The starvation, it should be noted,
was simply a reflection of the fact that, toward the end of the war,
the German supply lines had broken down, and food was not getting to
the camps. And above all, one should not think that there is anything
unique to Germany about "walking skeletons" in "concentration camps":
Exactly the same thing happened at the Andersonville prison during the
American Civil War, and the nearby photo is a picture of one of those
inmates.

* If there is any one thing which is a clinching argument to the
matter of the OJV, it is the fact that it is illegal to openly express
doubt about this story in most countries of the Western world,
including Germany (of course!), Israel (of course!), Austria (of
course!), Spain, France, Australia, and Canada; and in those few
countries in which it is not illegal, the laws forbidding 'race hate'
are increasingly being interpreted as forbidding such expression. The
point here is that fact does not require the support of legislation --
only falsehood does. And of course it does not take a rocket scientist
to figure who is behind this illegalization; nor does it take a rocket
scientist to figure why cases of 'Holocaust denial' are so vigorously
prosecuted: Jews, and particularly Israel, have profited in numerous
ways and by billions of dollars in playing this scam, including an
unending number of Holocaust movies (more than 400 at last count,
according to scholar Michael Hoffman), Holocaust museums (popping up
everywhere), Holocaust books (Elie 'The Weasel' Wiesel has written
more than 30; The Diary of Anne Frank is a perennial best- seller,
etc, etc, etc), TV dramas (the airing of "Holocaust' in 1970 is when
the scam really took off), 'survivors' by the millions -- all
pensioned by the German government, shakedowns of companies which
supposedly profited from 'slave labor' or were otherwise tinged by
Third- Reich-related activities (eg, IBM, Swiss banks), and of course
the billions in 'reparations', 'foreign aid' and other 'guilt money'
showered on Israel by Germany and the US. It has gotten so bad that
Jewish Professor Norman Finkelstein calls it "The Holocaust Industry"
in
his book by the same name, where he quotes his mother as asking, "If
Hitler killed so many Jews, then where did all the 'survivors' come
from?" No need to explain, then, why there is a saying among Jews that
"There's no business like Shoah (Holocaust) business."

* The only facts that come within even a country mile of supporting
the contention of nazi extermination of Jews are reports of the
shootings on the Eastern front of communist partisans, many of whom
were Jews. The following is what Lawrence Nevers has had to say on the
subject:

continued"

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Ernst Christof Friedrich Zündel (born April 24, 1939 in Bad Wildbad) is a
German Holocaust denier and pamphleteer who was jailed several times in
Canada for publishing literature which "is likely to incite hatred against
an identifiable group" and for being a threat to national security, in the
United States for overstaying his visa, and in Germany for charges of
"inciting racial hatred." He lived in Canada from 1958 to 2000.

In 1977, Zündel founded a small press publishing house called Samisdat
Publishers which issued such pamphlets as The Hitler We Loved and Why and
Did Six Million Really Die?, both prominent documents of the Holocaust
denial movement.

On February 5, 2003, Ernst Zündel was detained by U.S. local police and
deported to Canada, where he was detained for two years on a Security
Certificate for being a foreign national who was allegedly a threat to
national security pending a court decision on the validity of the
certificate. Once the certificate was upheld and Zundel was determined to
be a national security risk he was deported to Germany and tried in the
state court of Mannheim on outstanding charges of incitement for Holocaust
denial dating from the early 1990s. On February 15th, 2007, he was
convicted and sentenced to the maximum term of five years in prison.[1]


Zündel emigrated to Canada from West Germany in 1958, when he was 19, in
order to avoid being conscripted by the German military. He married a
French-Canadian, Janick Larouche, in 1960 with whom he had two sons,
Pierre and Hans. During the 1960s he came under the tutelage of Canadian
fascist Adrien Arcand.

Professionally, Zündel worked as a graphic artist and printer. On several
occasions in the 1960s he was commissioned to illustrate covers for
Maclean's Magazine. His views on Nazism and Jews were not well known in
the 1960s and 1970s as he initially published his opinions under the
pseudonym Christof Friedrich. At the time, he was also an organizer among
immigrants for the Ralliement des créditistes, Quebec's Social Credit
party. In 1968 he joined the Liberal Party of Canada and ran in that
year's leadership convention under the name Ernest Zeundel[1]. He used the
convention as a platform to allege that Canadian society was replete with
anti-German attitudes. He dropped out of the contest prior to the voting,
but not before delivering his campaign speech to the convention.

As Christof Friedrich, he also wrote several publications promoting the
idea that UFOs are really secret weapons of Nazis who had fled to
Neu-Schwabenland in Antarctica. The UFOs supposedly monitor humanity and
are part of a secret plan to re-conquer the world at an unspecified time.
Whether he actually believed these notions, or if it was just a publicity
stunt, cannot be ascertained.[2]

His first marriage ended in 1977 as his public notoriety grew.

Zündel campaigned in Canada to ban the movie Schindler's List[3] on the
grounds that it "generates hatred against Germans, and it should be
possible to ban it under 'hate laws' in Canada, Germany, and other
countries"[4] and celebrated the movie's being banned in Malaysia and the
Philippines, and effectively banned in Lebanon and Jordan.[5]

In 1984, a pipe bomb blasted a hole through Zundel's garage door and on
May 8, 1995, his Toronto residence was the target of an arson attack
resulting in $75,000 in damage. The Jewish Armed Resistance Movement
claimed responsibility for the arson attack though there are doubts about
the claim's veracity.[6] Five days after the incident members of the
Jewish Defense League were detained by police upon being found in the
property's vicinity. No charges have ever been laid in the incident.[7]
Later the same month Zundel was the recipient of a parcel bomb that was
detonated by the Toronto Police Service's bomb squad.[8] The investigation
into the parcel bomb attack led to charges being laid against David
Barbarash, an animal rights activist based in British Columbia, but they
were eventually stayed.[9]


[edit] Holocaust denial

Did Six Million Really Die? by Richard Harwood (also known as Richard
Verrall), published by Ernst Zündel's Samisdat Publishers

In the 1970s, Zündel founded a small publishing house called Samisdat
Publishers. Samisdat initially produced UFO-related books, some of them
written pseudonymously by Zündel. Within a few years it began
disseminating Nazi sympathizer literature, including Zündel's The Hitler
We Loved and Why, Richard Verrall's Did Six Million Really Die?, and works
by Malcolm Ross.

By the early 1980s, Samisdat Publications had grown into a worldwide
distributor of Nazi and neo-Nazi posters, audiotapes, and memorabilia, as
well as pamphlets and books devoted to Holocaust denial and Allied and
Zionist "war crimes", claiming a mailing list of 29,000 in the United
States alone. Advertisements for Samisdat Publications were purchased in
well-known reputable American magazines and even comic books. West Germany
became another large market, in violation of their Volksverhetzung
(incitement of the masses) laws preventing Holocaust denial and
dissemination of Nazi and neo-Nazi material, going so far as to send mass
mailings to every member of the West German Bundestag (parliament).

In December 1980, the West German Federal Ministry of Finance told the
Bundestag that between January 1978, and December 1979, "200 shipments of
right-wing extremist and neo-Nazi content including books, periodicals,
symbols, decorations, films, cassettes, and records" had been intercepted
entering West Germany; these shipments "came overwhelmingly from Canada."
On April 23, 1981, the West German government sent a letter to the
Canadian Jewish Congress, confirming that the source of the material was
Samisdat Publishers.

From 1981 to 1982 Zündel had his mailing privileges suspended by the
Canadian government on the grounds that he had been using the mail to send
hate propaganda, a criminal offence in Canada. Zündel then began shipping
from a post office box in Niagara Falls, New York, until the ban on his
mailing in Canada was lifted in January 1983.

Zündel was a vocal supporter of alleged Nazi war criminals living in
Canada. During the trial of Imre Finta, Zündel was confronted outside the
courthouse by a Holocaust survivor. Zündel told the survivor "Listen,
yeah, we are gonna get you yet, don't you worry."[10]

In 1997, Zündel told an interviewer from an Israeli newspaper that "[t]he
Jews of the world have a Holocaust coming, and all the gruesome lies that
they have told about people like Germans during the Second World War‹all
those grotesque Spielberg-like distortions of what really took place‹one
day will come back to haunt Jews, and I want to not be around when that
happens."[11] [2]</ref>


[edit] Trials

In 1983 Sabrina Citron, a Holocaust survivor and founder of the Canadian
Holocaust Remembrance Association, filed a private criminal complaint
against Zündel before the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal. In 1984, the
Ontario government joined the criminal proceedings against Zündel based on
Citron's complaint. Zündel was charged under the Criminal Code, section
181, of spreading false news for publishing "Did Six Million Really Die?".

Zündel underwent two criminal trials in 1985 and 1988. The charge against
Zündel alleged that he "did publish a statement or tale, namely, "Did Six
Million Really Die?" that he knows is false and that is likely to cause
mischief to the public interest in social and racial tolerance, contrary
to the Criminal Code." Zündel was originally found guilty by two juries
but was finally acquitted upon appeal by the Supreme Court of Canada which
held in 1992 that section 181 (formerly known as section 177) was a
violation of the guarantees of freedom of expression under the Canadian
Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

The 1988 trial was notable for its reliance on testimony from individuals
such as David Irving and Fred A. Leuchter, a self-declared expert in
execution technology.[12] Leuchter's testimony as an expert witness was
accepted by the court, but his accompanying Leuchter Report[13] was
excluded, based on his lack of engineering credentials. In 1985, key
expert testimony against Zündel's alleged Holocaust denial was provided at
great lengths by Holocaust historian, Raul Hilberg. Hilberg refused to
testify at Zundel's 1988 trial. Zündel was convicted in 1988 and sentenced
to 15 months imprisonment by an Ontario court; however, in 1992 in R. v.
Zündel his conviction was overturned by the Supreme Court of Canada when
the law he had been charged under, reporting false news, was ruled
unconstitutional.[14]

In 1997, Zündel's marriage with his second wife, Irene Marcarelli,
collapsed after 18 months. "At one point I really loved him," she told an
acquaintance. "By the end, I thought he was evil incarnate." She
subsequently testified against him in the late 1990s when he was under
investigation by the Canadian Human Rights Commission for promoting hatred
against Jews via his website. In January 2000, before the Commission had
completed its hearings, he left Canada for Sevierville, Tennessee where he
married his third wife, Ingrid Rimland and vowed never to return to
Canada.[15]


[edit] Detention and deportation

In 2003, Zündel was arrested in the United States for violating that
country's immigration rules, specifically visa waiver overstay, which he
argues was a "trumped up" charge. After two weeks he was deported;
although he is a German citizen, a warrant for his arrest for
Volksverhetzung (incitement of the masses) had been issued in Germany in
the same year and he sought refugee status in Canada, despite the fact
that his permanent residency status in Canada had expired owing to his
prolonged absence from the country. At his hearing, Zündel described
himself as "the Gandhi of the right."

Despite having lived in Canada for over forty years prior to moving to the
United States, Zündel had never been able to obtain Canadian citizenship.
Applications for citizenship were rejected by the government in 1966 and
again in 1994 for reasons that have never been publicly disclosed.[1] So,
upon his return to Canada, he had no status in the country as he was not a
citizen and as his landed immmigrant status had been forfeited by his
prolonged absence from the country. Upon entry into Canada, Zündel claimed
refugee status in hopes of preventing his deportation to Germany. This
claim elicited public ridicule, Rex Murphy, a columnist for the Globe and
Mail and a well known commentator on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
wrote "If Ernst Zündel is a refugee, Daffy Duck is Albert Einstein... Some
propositions are so ludicrous that they are a betrayal of common sense and
human dignity if allowed a moment's oxygen."[16]

On May 2, 2003, Canadian Citizenship and Immigration Minister Denis
Coderre and Solicitor General Wayne Easter issued a "national security
certificate" against Zündel under the provisions of the Canadian
Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, indicating that he was a threat to
Canada's national security and/or the human rights of Canadian citizens
owing to his alleged links with violent neo-Nazi groups including Aryan
Nations leader Richard Girnt Butler, neo-Nazi Christian Worch, and former
Canadian Aryan Nations leader Terry Long, as well as Ewald Althans,
convicted in a German court in 1995 of charges that included insulting the
memory of the dead and insulting the state.

Zündel moved twice to have Canadian Federal Court justice Pierre Blais
recuse himself from the case for "badgering and accusing the witness of
lying" and exhibiting "open hostility" towards Zündel, and filed two
constitutional challenges, one in the Ontario courts and one in the
federal courts, both unsuccessful. During the hearing, Zündel
characterized his position as "Sometimes I feel like a black man being
convicted on Ku Klux Klan news clippings."[17]

Zündel meanwhile moved to be released from detention on his own
recognizance while the legal proceedings were ongoing. His lawyer, Doug
Christie, introduced as a "surprise witness" Lorraine Day, a California
doctor who practises alternative cancer treatments, to testify that
Zündel's incarceration at Toronto's Metro West Detention Centre was
causing his chest tumor (revealed to the court a few weeks previously) to
grow and his blood pressure to rise, that the medication supplied to
control his blood pressure was causing side-effects such as a slow heart
rate and loss of memory, and that "He needs exercise, fresh air, and
freedom from stress. The whole point is we need to have his high blood
pressure controlled without the drug."[18] On January 21, 2004, after
three months of hearings including both public and secret testimony,
Justice Blais again ruled against Zündel with a damning statement.

During his imprisonment, Canadian neo-Nazi leader Paul Fromm attempted to
hold numerous rallies in support of Zundel, both in Ontario and in
Alberta. The rallies were met with formidable opposition, namely by the
Anti-Racist Action group, which heightened its opposition to Fromm's
pro-Zundel work in the summer of 2004. The anti-racist efforts included
participation by numerous Toronto activist groups and individuals,
including Shane Ruttle Martinez and Marcell Rodden, and successfully
managed to prevent similar future congregations of the neo-Nazis. Fromm
eventually ceased his efforts after being advised by Zundel's attorneys
that public clashes between opponents of the Zudel issues was not
assisting the image of their client's case.

On February 24 2005, Justice Blais ruled that Canada could deport Zündel
back to his native Germany at any time, and on February 25 Zündel's
lawyer, Peter Lindsay, announced that his client would not attempt to
obtain a stay against the deportation and that his fight to remain in
Canada was over. In his decision, Justice Blais noted that Zündel had had
the opportunity to respond to the allegations of the decision of January
21 by explaining the nature of his contacts with the extremists mentioned
and/or providing exonerating witnesses, but had failed to do so. Blais
found that "Mr. Zündel's activities are not only a threat to Canada's
national security, but also a threat to the international community of
nations."[19]

Zündel was deported to Germany on March 1, 2005.[20] Upon his arrival at
Frankfurt airport, he was immediately arrested and detained in Mannheim
prison awaiting trial for inciting racial hatred.[21]


German trial

German prosecutors charged Zündel on July 19, 2005, with fourteen counts
of inciting racial hatred, which is punishable under German criminal law,
Section 130, 2.(3) (Agitation (sedition) of the People) with up to 5 years
in prison. The indictment says Zündel "denied the fate of destruction for
the Jews planned by National Socialist powerholders and justified this by
saying that the mass destruction in Auschwitz and Treblinka, among others,
were an invention of the Jews and served the repression and blackmail of
the German people."

His trial was scheduled for five days beginning November 8, 2005, but ran
into an early delay when Judge Ulrich Meinerzhagen ruled that Horst
Mahler, whose license to practice as a lawyer was withdrawn in 2004 and
who, in January 2005, was sentenced to nine months in prison for inciting
racial hatred, could not be part of the defense team. Mahler had been
associated with the violent far-left Red Army Faction in the 1970s, but
has since become a supporter of far-right and anti-Semitic groups.
Zündel's public defender Sylvia Stolz was also dismissed, on the grounds
that her written submissions to the court included Mahler's ideas. On
November 15, 2005, Meinerzhagen announced that the trial will be
rescheduled in order to allow new counsel time to prepare.[22]

The trial resumed on February 9, 2006 for several court sessions but then
adjourned on March 9 when the trial judge asked for Stolz to be removed as
Zündel's defence lawyer after having denounced the court as a "tool of
foreign domination" and described the Jews as an "enemy people". On March
31 the superior state court in Karlsruhe removed Stolz from the case for
illegally obstructing proceedings "with the sole goal of sabotaging the
trial . . . and making it into a farce".[23]

The trial again resumed on June 9, 2006 and continued, intermittently,
into early 2007. The prosecution concluded its case on January 26, 2007
calling for Zündel to be handed the maximum sentence of five years
imprisonment with state prosecutor Andreas Grossman calling him a
"political con man" from whom the German people needed protection. After
quoting extensively from Zündel's writings on the Holocaust, Grossman
argued "[y]ou might as well argue that the sun rises in the west... But
you cannot change that the Holocaust has been proven."[1] In its closing
arguments the defence has called for Zündel to be acquitted.[24][25]

On February 15, 2007, Zündel was sentenced to a five year term in prison,
the maximum sentence possible for violating the Volksverhetzung law
(Section 130, 2.(3)) in the German criminal code which bans incitement of
hatred against a minority of the population, which is how his Holocaust
denial was interpreted by the Federal German court.[26]

His time in pre-trial confinement in Canada will not be taken into account
on his sentence, but only the two years he was confined in Germany since
2005. One of his lawyers was excluded from the process for agitation and
had to be carried out of the courtroom. Another lawyer, Jürgen Rieger, a
leading member of Germany's NPD, was forbidden to voice petitions and
ruled to put them down in writing; he let another lawyer read them aloud.
Another lawyer read parts of Mein Kampf and parts of the NS race
legislation aloud in his closing speech. Zündel asked for the inception of
an expert's commission to examine the Holocaust. The judge in his
emotional closing speech called Zündel an “Brunnenvergifter und
Brandstifter, einen Verehrer dieses menschenverachtenden Barbaren Adolf
Hitler, von dem er dummdreist daherschwafelt.³, in English roughly
translated "well poisoner and arsonist, an admirer of this human-despising
barbarian Adolf Hitler, of which he rambles on brashly impertinently". It
is believed that the Holocaust deniers are using this process and the
coming revisions to show that freedom of speech is impaired in Germany
depending on the ideology of the speaker.[27]

On February 21, the Mannheim District Court announced that Zündel will
appeal against the court's verdict. [28] This means that the verdict is
not valid and that the Federal Supreme Court in Karlsruhe has to deal with
the case now.[citation needed]


Ancestry

According to Toronto Sun columnist Mark Bonokoski, Zündel's mother was
Gertrude Mayer and his maternal grandparents were the Jewish Mr and Mrs
Nagal and Isador (Izzy) Mayer. Izzy Mayer was a trade union organizer for
the garment industry in the Bavarian city of Augsburg.

According to Bonokoski, Ernst's ex-wife Irene Zündel said that the
possibility of being at least part-Jewish bothered Zündel so much that he
returned to Germany in the 1960s in search of his family's Ariernachweis,
a Nazi-era certificate of pure Aryan blood, but was unable to find any
such document for his family.

In 1997, Zündel granted an interview to Tsadok Yecheskeli of the Israeli
newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth that includes the following exchange:

Yecheskeli: Are you sure there's no Jewish blood in your family?
Zündel (in hushed voice): No.[29]



[edit] References

1. ^ a b c Associated Press & Canadian Press (February 15, 2007). Ernst
Zundel sentenced to 5 years in prison for Holocaust denial. Winnipeg Free
Press. Retrieved on 2007-02-15.
2. ^ Ernst Zündel's Flying Saucers The Nizkor Project
3. ^ Schindler's List Exposed as Lies and Hate 1994 leaflet published by
Zündel's Samisdat Publishers
4. ^ Ernst Zündel on the film "Schindler's List" The Nizkor Project
5. ^ Shofar FTP Archive File The Nizkor Project
6. ^ Canadian Press, "Doubt cast on claims that Jewish militants started
Zundel fire", Kitchener-Waterloo Record, May 10, 1995
7. ^ Linda Deutsch, "U.S. Jewish militants charged in bomb plot: Los
Angeles mosque, congressman's office were intended targets", Ottawa
Citizen, December 13, 2001
8. ^ Henry Stancu, "Police detonate bomb sent to Zundel's home 'Just
another day in life of Ernst Zundel,' he says", Toronto Star, May 21, 1995
9. ^ David Hogben, "Charges stayed against activists accused of mailing
booby-trapped letters", Canadian Press, September 26, 2000
10. ^ CBC News, May 25, 1990 (streaming video)
11. ^ Tsadok Yecheskeli. Interview with Ernst Zündel. Yedioth Ahronoth, 1997.
12. ^ Morris, Errol. "Mr. Death: Transcript", 2006. Retrieved on 2007-03-04. 
13. ^ Leuchter Report from the Institute for Historical Review, a
Holocaust denial organization.
14. ^ Full text of Supreme Court of Canada decision at LexUM
15. ^ Globe and Mail Story
16. ^ Let's try Zundel denial by Rex Murphy, (Toronto) Globe & Mail,
Feb. 22, 2003.
17. ^ http://www.worldofradio.com/dxld3171.txt
18. ^ http://www.worldofradio.com/dxld3171.txt
19. ^ Court finds Zundel can be deported Kirk Makin, (Toronto) Globe &
Mail, Feb. 25, 2005
20. ^ http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/03/01/zundel-050301.html
21. ^ http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,344288,00.html
22. ^ Toronto Star
23. ^ http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2006/03/31/1514185-ap.html
24. ^ Associated Press (January 26, 2007). Five years' jail urged for
Zundel. Toronto Star. Retrieved on 2007-01-26.
25. ^ Associated Press (February 9, 2007). Defense seeks acquittal of
far-right activist Ernst Zundel at German trial. International Herald
Tribune. Retrieved on 2007-02-13.
26. ^ Canada Press (February 15, 2007). German court sentences Ernst
Zundel to 5 years in prison for Holocaust denial. Canada.com. Retrieved on
2007-02-15.
27. ^ Landesamt für Verfassungsschutz Baden-Württemberg (March 2007).
Verteidigung von ZÜNDEL legt Revision ein. Landesamt für Verfassungsschutz
Baden-Württemberg. Retrieved on 2007-05-30.
28. ^ AFP.fr (February 22, 2007). Neonazi geht in Berufung. Hamburger
Abendblatt. Retrieved on 2007-06-03.
29. ^ Mark Bonokoski. "The Jewish card", Toronto Sun, 2005-03-02.
Retrieved on 2007-01-01. 
Topaz
2007-06-17 16:12:54 UTC
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"Rudolph Vrba was a well-known survivor of Auschwitz,
who claimed to have seen gassings of people. But in the 1985
trial in Toronto, for the first time he was questioned very
closely under oath, by Doug Christie, Ernst Zundel's attorney,
with advice and with help from Robert Faurisson, the French
revisionist scholar. And Rudolph Vrba collapsed, basically. He
admitted that many of the claims that he had been making, in a
bestselling book about his experiences, were false. And he
resorted, finally, to saying, well, it's "poetic license," it's
an exaggeration - basically, it's a lie.

Another witness, Raul Hilberg, who is the author of a well-known
standard work on the "holocaust" question, was also forced to
concede things, too, that were very astonishing. And these were
reported in the newspapers very widely at the time. Now the
second trial did not receive the same media coverage in Canada,
but it did still receive some. And in the second trial, Fred
Leuchter was one of the most outstanding witnesses. Even David
Irving testified in that trial. I testified for five days in the
trial.

The Canadian Jewish groups, and the American Jewish groups, were
furious at the result, and have done everything in their power to
silence this man.



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RedFox
2007-06-20 23:12:51 UTC
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Post by Topaz
"Rudolph Vrba was a well-known survivor of Auschwitz,
who claimed to have seen gassings of people. But in the 1985
trial in Toronto, for the first time he was questioned very
closely under oath, by Doug Christie, Ernst Zundel's attorney,
We get there in the end don't we

Zundel is rotting in jail seeking remission of his sentence

So the usual crap gets posted on religious newsgroup by the neo nazi
Holocaust denial industry

nuff said

Zundel will stay where he is

Shortly to be joined by his lawyer

Remember Nuremberg

They hung them there!

Lest We Forget.
Topaz
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The Nuremberg court was not selected from, or composed of, judges of
the neutral Swiss, or the neutral Swedes, or some more distant
African, Asian or Latin American
countries. American civilian judges to a large extent made up the core
of the Allied judges-not military career officers, who might have had
some understanding and compassion for what the military leaders and
the civilian government under extreme war time conditions lived
through. They could have undoubtedly had a greater appreciation of why
some of the wartime measures were undertaken by Germany in the
desperate days of the war. The "liberal country club" experienced set
of small town American judges could not.
Furthermore, the Allied victors blatantly carried on their war against
the Germans by other means long after the shooting had stopped-not by
bombs and bullets but this time by falsely diagnosing psychologists
or, worse, by giving torturers a free hand: cynical and brutal
investigators who could, and frequently did, mistreat, beat, whip,
starve, suffocate and mutilate their prisoners into giving confessions
and statements which were as cruelly extracted as were the confessions
from witches during the disgusting witchcraft trials of the Dark Ages.
The injustice of the Nuremberg Trials was testified to not only by
Harlan Fiske Stone, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United
States, but also Iowa Supreme Court Justice Charles F. Wennerstrum, a
man of the Midwest, who sat on one of the tribunals trying lesser
alleged Nazi war criminals after the war.
Wennerstrum pointed out in a celebrated and controversial interview
given to a reporter of the Chicago Daily Tribune that frequently the
interrogators and some of the prosecutors were Jews who had fled Nazi
Germany and came back in Allied uniforms to torment and seek revenge
on the National Socialists who had wanted to expel the Jews from
European living space because they considered them harmful to the war
effort and to Western European civilization.
Here is how the article described the lot that came to post-war
Germany to settle private scores, as seen through Justice
Wennerstrum's eyes, after he quit in disgust:
"If I had known seven months ago what I know today," (Wennerstrum)
told friends as he packed to leave for America, "I would never have
come here. . . The initial war crimes trial here was judged and
prosecuted by Americans, Russians, British and French with much of the
time, effort and expenses devoted to whitewashing the Allies and
placing the sole blame for World War II upon Germany.
"What I have said of the nationalist character of the tribunals," the
judge continued, "applies to the prosecution. The high ideals
announced as the motives for creating these tribunals has not been
evident.
"The prosecution has failed to maintain objectivity aloof from
vindictiveness, aloof from personal ambitions for convictions. It has
failed to strive to lay down precedents which might help the world to
avoid future wars.
The entire atmosphere here is unwholesome. Linguists were needed. the
Americans are notably poor linguists. Lawyers, clerks, interpreters
and researchers were employed who became Americans only in recent
years, whose backgrounds were embedded in Europe's hatreds and
prejudices. . . (emphasis added) (Chicago Daily Tribune, 23 February
1948)
In other words, the Allies supplied the interrogators, most of them
Jews-as some of the victims, who had had a lifetime of experience in
dealing with Jews and thus recognized them, have stated. Those of us
who are German and can speak German can easily discern the ethnicity
of some of the accusers by their mere accents and patterns of speech,
even in radio broadcasts and newsreels.
Most of the evidence in the trials was "documentary," selected by the
Allies from the large tonnage of captured records. The document
selection was made by the prosecution. The defense had access only to
those documents which the prosecution considered material to the case
and were made available to the defense. The Allies could choose to
release or to hide and/or destroy any documents which did not fit
their post-war strategy or plans at Nuremberg. The Allies admitted
elsewhere that their propaganda Ministries and Intelligence Services
had previously forged Nazi stamps, Nazi passes, Nazi passports,
orders, ID cards etc. which fooled the Nazis many times because they
were so perfect and over which the Allied propagandists gloat to this
day. It does not take a great leap of the imagination to think what
these same Allied Government agencies, their personnel and forgers of
documents could do now with all the captured genuine German
document-producing facilities, the captured type writers, rubber
stamps and tons of letter heads of all sizes and description and of
any National Socialist organization you care to mention.
Even setting aside questionable "documentary" evidence, let's look at
some of the accused's "testimony"-how it was extracted, and what it
really means.
Like vile exclamation marks, at the heart of the Nuremberg Tribunal
stand certain words: "Genocide" "Gas chamber." "Six million." These
words, and the value judgment concepts they connote, were derived
largely from the admissions and affidavit of one man, Rudolf Hoess,
the one-time war-time Kommandant at Auschwitz.
Rudolf Hoess was the Allies' most important witness to the
"Holocaust." His affidavit and his testimony were quoted extensively
both by the prosecution and in the judgment of the IMT at Nuremberg,
as well as by the press. It was his testimony which laid the
foundation and validated the claim of the ". . . extermination of
millions of people by gas at Auschwitz." Hoess's "confession" is
heavily relied upon by historians like Raul Hilberg and others as a
primary documentary source to this day.
It is true that Hoess witnessed at Nuremberg to horrendous
"atrocities," and he also confirmed the "truth" under oath of an
affidavit which he agreed to sign for the prosecution. In it, he
confessed to having given orders for the gassing of millions of
victims. The affidavit, by the way, was in English, a language he did
not speak or understand, according to family members.
We now know from the book "Legions of Death" that Rudolf Hoess was
beaten almost to death by Jewish members of the British Field Police
Force upon capture and badly mistreated thereafter until he gave this
very devastating "testimony" and "affidavit" used by the Allies
propagandists ever since. You be the judge. Here is an excerpt from
this book by Rupert Butler, published by Hamlyn Paperbacks, page 235:
At 5 PM on 11 March 1946, Frau Hoess opened her front door to six
intelligence specialists in British uniform, most of them tall and
menacing and all of them practiced in the more sophisticated
techniques of sustained and merciless investigation.
No physical violence was used on the family: it was scarcely
necessary. Wife and children were separated and guarded. Clarke's tone
was deliberately low-key and conversational.
He began mildly: "I understand your husband came to see you as
recently as last night."
Frau Hoess merely replied: "I haven't seen him since he absconded
months
ago"
Clarke tried once more, saying gently but with a tone of reproach:
"You know that isn't true." Then all at once his manner had changed
and he was shouting: "If you don't tell us, we'll turn you over to the
Russians and they'll put you before a firing squad. Your son will go
to Siberia."
It proved more than enough. Eventually, a broken Frau Hoess betrayed
the whereabouts of the former Auschwitz Kommandant, the man who now
called himself Franz Lang. Suitable intimidation of the son and
daughter produced precisely identical information.
When they found Hoess, here is how the capture played out. Clarke, one
of the participants, recalls it vividly:
"He was lying on top of a three-tier bunker wearing a new pair of silk
pyjamas. We discovered later that he had lost the cyanide pill most of
them carried. Not that he would have had much chance to use it because
we had rammed a torch (flashlight) into his mouth."
Hoess screamed in terror at the mere sight of the British uniforms.
Clarke yelled: "What is your name?"
With each answer of "Franz Lang," Clarke's hand crashed into the face
of the prisoner. The fourth time that happened, Hoess broke and
admitted who he was.
The admission suddenly unleashed the loathing of the Jewish sergeants
in the arresting party whose parents had died in Auschwitz following
an order signed by Hoess.
The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjama ripped from his
body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where
it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.
Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: "Call them off,
unless you want to take back a corpse."
A blanket was thrown over Hoess and he was dragged to Clarke's car,
where the sergeant poured a substantial slug of whiskey down his
throat. Then Hoess tried to sleep.
Clarke thrust his service stick under the man's eyelids and ordered in
German: "Keep your pig eyes open, you swine." . . .
The party arrived back at Heide around three in the morning. The snow
was swirling still, but the blanket was torn from Hoess and he was
made to walk completely nude through the prison yard to his cell. It
took three days to get a coherent statement out of him.
This statement, tortured and terrorized out of him, was the one we are
all familiar with-the "proof" for the so-called "gassing of the Jews."
Historians today are finally admitting that Hoess is a totally
unreliable witness-and is it any wonder? He spoke of a concentration
camp "Wolzek" which does not even exist. He swore that 2,500,000
people were gassed and burned at Auschwitz and a further half million
died of disease, for a total dead of three million. The Toronto Sun of
July 18, 1990 claimed 1.5 million. The Washington Post, on the same
date, also mentioned 1.5 million. Quoted from an article by Krzyszlov
Leski, we have the following:
Poland has cut its estimate of the number of people killed by the
Nazis in the Auschwitz death camp from 4 million to just over 1
million.
The vast majority of the dead are now accepted to have been Jews,
despite claims by the former Polish communist government that as many
Poles perished in Hitler's largest concentration camp. . .
The new study could rekindle the controversy over the scale of
Hitler's final solution."
Shevach Weiss, a death camp survivor and Labor Party member of the
Israeli Parliament, expressed disbelief at the revised estimates,
saying: "It sounds shocking and strange." . . .
Shmuel Krakowsky, head of research at Israel's Yad Vashem memorial for
Jewish victims of the Holocaust, said the new Polish figures were
correct.
"The 4 million figure was let slip by Capt. Rudolf Hoess, the death
camp's Nazi commander. Some have bought it, but it was exaggerated." .
. .
But the Polish authorities said accurate estimates of the number
killed could only be made by studying German documents seized by the
Soviet Union. But Moscow has refused to return the archives.
A most convenient excuse! In 1989 I organized a write-in campaign to
persuade the then-Soviet Leader Gorbachev to release the Auschwitz
Death Registers captured in 1945 when the Red Army took over the
Auschwitz complex. A few months afterwards this actually happened.
Gorbachev released these all-important documents to the Red Cross,
which showed in minute detail why people had died in Auschwitz, the
cause and time of death, their birth, address etc.
74,000 names of people who had died were listed, of which only
approximately 30,000 were Jews, along with an almost equal number of
Poles and members of other nationalities.
The incredibly shrinking Holocaust! The "millions" that we have heard
about for half a century and that we hear and read about still today
all started with the "testimony" beaten out of poor Hoess on that
horrible night in defeated Germany.
Historian Christopher Browning finally had to admit in a recent Vanity
Fair
article that Hoess was an unreliable witness. Browning stated that
". . . Hoess was always a very weak and confused witness. The
revisionists use him all the time for this reason, in order to try and
discredit the memory of Auschwitz as a whole." (Holocaust Revisionism
Source Book, 1994, p. 1)
But does that invalidate the Revisionist claims or their strategy? Not
at all. On the contrary. After all, Hoess's testimony was used as the
skeleton on which the entire Holocaust myth about mass gassings was
constructed in the first place. Revisionists have concentrated on
Hoess precisely because he is probably the most important source for
Holocaust historians' conclusions on and exaggerations about the
Holocaust. Raul Hilberg, who wrote the "Bible" of the "Holocaust," The
Destruction of the European Jews, (Holmes & Meier, Revised Edition,
1985 ) relies on Hoess's testimony heavily, and Hoess was the primary
witness relied upon by the Nuremberg Tribunal in their judgment
regarding the "extermination of the Jews," even though he told the
court of having been savagely tortured.
What's more, Hoess's treatment by the Allies and the total
unreliability of his "evidence" are not unusual. We don't know how
many of the accused at the Nuremberg trials were badly mistreated,
since references in the trial transcripts to their mistreatment was
expunged from the record. (Read this again! Material damaging to the
Allies was expunged from the Nuremberg trial transcripts!)
An example is Streicher's testimony. Streicher was reported in the
London Times as having testified that he was tortured, whipped, spat
on, and forced to drink from a latrine. (Streicher Opens His Case, The
Times, April 27, 1946). His testimony was later expunged from the
record of the trial with the active participation of the prosecution,
the president of the Tribunal, and even his own defense lawyer!
Other traces of the brutal treatment of the Nuremberg prisoners,
however, have survived. One of these witnesses was Gauleiter Sauckel's
reference to threats to his family, which did remain in the
transcript. During his testimony in May of 1946, Sauckel testified
that he signed a document, even though he did not know what was in
that document, after his family of 10 children was threatened with
deportation to Russia.
And finally, it must not be forgotten that this is the only judicial
proceeding conducted in the name of civilized nations where there was
no appeal mechanism to a parallel or higher authority for a review of
the proceedings or any verdicts that this so-called international
military tribunal arrived at. Their judgments over the leadership of
Europe's most populous state, against whom they had just fought a
murderous, near genocidal war, were final and deadly.
Keep all that in mind as you read, watch and listen to all the
emotional hype in the mass media on television and radio of these
days. And for what?
The Jewish leader Nahum Goldman spells it out for you in his
astounding
book, The Jewish Paradox, Pages 123-125, admitting to the mother of
all
frauds. In his own words, at the conclusion of the agreement Goldman
obtained from Dr. Adenauer, the German Quisling State's first
Allied-appointed chancellor,
". . . the Germans will have paid out a total of 80 billion. . .
Without the German reparations that started coming through during its
first ten years as a state, Israel would not have half of its present
infrastructure: All the trains in Israel are German, the ships are
German, and the same goes for electrical installations and a great
deal of Israel's industry . . . and that is setting aside the
individual pensions paid to survivors. Israel today receives hundreds
of millions of dollars in German currency each year . . . In some
years the sums of money received by Israel from Germany has been as
much as double or treble the contribution made by collections from
international Jewry. Nowadays, there is no longer any opposition to
the principle. (emphasis added)
Not anywhere you look!
After the Nuremberg Trials and Proceedings are stripped of the
hyperbole and smoke screens which surrounds them, it can be put quite
bluntly:
The Allies did it all. The Allies fought a war on foreign shores-in
part to establish the State of Israel. The Allies lent a willing hand
to political ambitions that grew out of the Zionist camp. By means of
the Nuremberg trials, the Allies helped the establishment and
financing of Israel. So as to secure Israel, the Allies and their
personnel became accusers, researchers, interrogators, prosecutors,
judges and executioners-all in one! The Allies supplied the "experts"
who sifted through the German documents, which were all totally in
Allied control, highlighting incriminating documents, discarding
exonerating evidence. These investigators were told only to "find"
incriminating documents against the hapless accused, as I was told by
the American scholar Charles Weber, Ph.D., who had been one of these
Allied researchers, and who testified at my own trials. These
researchers were told were told to ignore the documents that might
have spared the lives of the accused German leaders. When all was said
and done, there was not even an appeal.
U.S. Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone, speaking of the American Chief
Prosecutor, Jackson, finally had this to say, as mentioned in the
Viking Press hard cover, cited before, p. 746 :
"Jackson is away conducting his high grade lynching party in
Nuremberg," he remarked. "I don't mind what he does to the Nazis, but
I hate to see the pretense that he is running a court and proceeding
according to common law.
This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned
ideas."
Some sanctimonious fraud!
Some record for the Allies to be "proud of"-to have helped manufacture
such a sick, perverted Marxist/Zionist inspired legal farce that would
condemn to death the leaders of the only military effort ever
undertaken to stop the "evil empire" from bringing to us all their
"hate law" ideology.
Are now the chickens coming home to roost? That's how America and the
"free world" have showed their gratitude to the defenders of Europe
and Western Civilization: by hanging brave and honest men who tried so
valiantly for so long to stop the decadence and the hypocrisy of what
we now call, shuddering, ". . . the coming New World Order"!
I bow my head in reverence to those who were judicially murdered at
Nuremberg. They were the world's martyrs, not villains. Not one of
them would have been condemned to death in a fair trial. Not one!
Let's not forget they sacrificed an entire nation, and in the end
themselves, to save Western civilization. They were defeated by thugs
in robes and gangsters in uniform and by the conspiracies hatched by
shysters from the ghettos and shtetls of Eastern Europe.


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The Nuremberg court was not selected from, or composed of, judges of
the neutral Swiss, or the neutral Swedes, or some more distant
African, Asian or Latin American
The 24 Nazi leaders
indicted and tried as war criminals



*

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The indictment against them contained four points:

1. Conspiracy to commit crimes against peace
2. Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression
3. War-Crimes
4. Crimes against humanity






* Bormann, Martin, farmer, born in 1900; was since 1933 head of the staff
of Rudolf Hess and during World War II chief of the party chancellery and
the closest advisor of Hitler at the Führer's head-quarters. His fate at
the end of the war is not entirely clear, probably he died in May 1945 in
Berlin. Indicted for 1,3 and 4, he was found guilty of 3 and 4 and
sentenced in absentia to death.

* Dönitz, Karl, Admiral of the Fleet, born in 1891; shortly before
Hitler's death on May 2, 1945; he designated Dönitz as his successor.
Indicted for 1, 2 and 3, he was found guilty of 2 and 3 and sentenced to
10 years of imprisonment. Released in 1956, he died in 1980.

* Frank, Hans, lawyer, born in 1900, was Governor-General of Poland since
1939. Indicted for 1, 3 and 4, he was found guilty of 3 and 4 and
sentenced to death.

* Frick, Wilhelm, born in 1877 was Minister for Internal Affairs.
Indicted for 1, 2, 3 and 4, he was found guilty of 2, 3 and 4 and
sentenced to death.

* Fritzsche, Hans, journalist, born in 1900, was head of the news service
section in the Press Division of the Ministry for Propaganda since May,
1933. At the trial he was in a way a substitute for Goebbels, who had
committed suicide. Indicted for 1, 3 and 4, he was acquitted. In the
subsequent denazification procedures, he was sentenced to 9 years of
imprisonment. Released in the fall of 1950, he died in 1953.

* Funk, Walter, economic journalist, born in 1890, was Minister for
Economic Affairs and since 1939 President of the German Central Bank.
Indicted on all four counts, he was found guilty of 2, 3 and 4 and
sentenced to life imprisonment. Released in 1957 because of sickness, he
died in 1960.

* Göring, Hermann, born in 1893, as Prussian Minister for Internal
Affairs created the Secret Police, which later developed into the Gestapo.
He was responsible for the mobilization of the economic resources of the
Reich for rearmament. Indicted and found guilty on all four counts, he was
sentenced to death. On the night before his execution, he committed
suicide by taking cyanide of potassium. The source of the poison is not
entirely clear.

* Heß, Rudolf, born in 1894, was the Führer's deputy in the NSDAP since
1933. On May 10, 1941, he flew on a not yet fully understood mission to
Scotland, where he was captured and interred. Indicted on all four counts,
he was found guilty of 1 and 2 and sentenced to life imprisonment. He
committed suicide in 1987 in the allies' prison for war criminals in
Berlin-Spandau.

* Jodl, Alfred, general, born in 1890, was head of the military command
and advisor of Hitler in strategic and operative matters. Indicted and
found guilty on all four counts, he was sentenced to death.

* Kaltenbrunner, Ernst, lawyer, born in 1903, was head of the Security
Police (SD). Indicted for 1, 3 and 4, he was found guilty of 3 and 4 and
sentenced to death.

* Keitel, Wilhelm, general, born in 1882, was Field-marshal of the army.
Indicted and found guilty on all four counts, he was sentenced to death.

* Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach, Gustav, industrialist, born in 1870, was
indicted on all four counts as representative of German heavy industry and
for armament production. He was physically unable to appear in court and
the charges against him were dropped. He died in 1950. What is known as
the "Krupp Trial" took place before a US military court in Nuremberg in
1948. Krupp's son Alfried was sentenced to 12 years of imprisonment and to
forfeiture of his private property.

* Ley, Robert, chemist, born in 1890, eliminated the free labor unions in
1933 and established the rigidly ideological Labor Front. Indicted on all
four counts, he committed suicide in the Nuremberg jail on October 26,
1945.

* Neurath, Konstantin von, born in 1873 and a diplomat since 1908, was
the Protector of Bohemia and Moravia from March, 1939 to 1943. (In 1941,
he was removed from service.) Indicted and convicted on all four counts,
he was sentenced to 15 years of imprisonment. Released in 1954 due to
illness, he died in 1956.

* Papen, Franz von, born in 1879, was vice-chancellor in the first
cabinet of Hitler in 1933 and later ambassador in Vienna and Ankara.
Indicted on 1 and 2, he was acquitted. In the subsequent denazification
procedures, he was sentenced to eight years of imprisonment. Released in
1949, he died in 1969.

* Raeder, Erich, admiral, born in 1876, was since 1943 Commander-in-Chief
of the Navy. Indicted on 1, 2 and 3, he was sentenced to life
imprisonment. Due to illness, he was released in 1955 and died in 1960.

* Ribbentrop, Joachim von, businessman, born in 1893, was Foreign
Minister from 1938 - 1945. Indicted and convicted on all four counts, he
was sentenced to death.

* Rosenberg, Alfred, born in 1893, was Minister for the Occupied
Territories in the East since 1941. Indicted and found guilty on all four
counts, he was sentenced to death.

* Sauckel, Fritz, born in 1894, was Hitler's plenipotentiary for the
mobilization of labor since 1942 and as such responsible for the more than
5 million men and women from the occupied territories, who did forced
labor in Germany. Indicted on all four counts, he was found guilty of 3
and 4 and sentenced to death.

* Schacht, Horace Greely Hjalmar, banker, born in 1877, was President of
the Reichsbank and Minister of Economics. Since 1944 he had been
imprisoned in the concentration camp at Flossenbürg. Indicted on 1 and 2,
he was acquitted. German officials imprisoned him until 1948. He died in
1970.

* Schirach, Baldur von, born in 1907 was the head of the Ministry for
Youth and since 1940 Gauleiter of Vienna. Indicted on 1 and 4, he was
found guilty and sentenced to from four to twenty years of imprisonment.
Released in 1966, he died in 1974.

* Seyß-lnquart, Arthur, lawyer, born in 1892, was the Commissioner for
the Occupied Netherlands from 1940-1945. Indicted on all four counts, he
was found guilty of 2, 3 and 4 and sentenced to death.

* Speer, Albert, architect, born in 1905, was General Inspector for
Buildings and Construction for Berlin since 1937 and from 1942 - 1945
Minister for Weapons and Munitions. Indicted on all four counts, he was
found guilty of 3 and 4 and sentenced to from four to twenty years of
imprisonment. Released in 1966, he died in 1981.

* Streicher, Julius, elementary school teacher, born in 1885, founded in
1923 the virulently anti-Semitic weekly newspaper "Der Stürmer". Even
after his removal from the office of Gauleiter in Franconia in 1940, he
remained owner and publisher of this paper. Indicted on 1 and 4, he was
sentenced to death.





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From November 20, 1945, until August 31, 1946, all sessions of the
tribunal were held in Nuremberg under the presidency of Lord Justice
Geoffrey Lawrence (later Baron Trevethin and Oaksey). On 218 days of
trials, testimony from 360 witnesses was introduced, some verbal, some
written, some (236 witnesses) from the court itself, some from judges
assigned to take testimony.

Furthermore about 200,000 affidavits were evaluated as evidence. The
procedures followed Anglo-American practices. More than 1000 personnel
(some taking testimony text translators, simultaneous translators,
secretaries, etc,) were involved.

The verdicts were announced on September 30 and on October 1, 1946; three
acquittals, 12 sentences to death by hanging, 7 sentences to life
imprisonment or to lesser terms.

Of the organizations, the verdicts of guilty were handed down on the
leadership corps of the NSDAP, on the SS and SD and on the Gestapo.

Those sentenced to death were executed in the early morning of October 16,
1946, in the old gymnasium of the Nuremberg prison, which in 1987 was torn
down as part of a modernization project. The bodies were subsequently
cremated in Munich and the ashes were strewn in an estuary of the Isar
River. Those sentenced to imprisonment were transferred to the prison in
Berlin-Spandau, which the Allies had chosen for this purpose. The last of
the prisoners, Rudolf Hess, committed suicide there in August, 1987.

Contrary to the original plans, no subsequent international tribunal took
place. From 1947 to 1949, twelve U.S. military trials involving
politicians, military personnel,businessmen and industrialists, doctors,
lawyers, members of the Foreign Office, etc. were held in Nuremberg.
Similar trials were conducted in the French, British and Soviet zones of
occupation.

The protocols of the International Military Tribunal were published from
1947-1949 in 22 volumes with 14,638 pages (the "Blue Series").
Topaz
2007-06-22 23:46:03 UTC
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Senator McCarthy, American Press, May 20th, 1949 (on Nuremberg trials)

"I have heard evidence and read documentary proofs to the effect that
the accused persons were beaten up, maltreated and physically tortured
by methods which could only be conceived by sick brains. They were
subjected to mock trials and pretended executions, they were told that
their families would be deprived of their ration cards. All these
things were carried out with the approval of the Public Prosecutor to
secure the psychological atmosphere necessary for the extortion of the
required confessions. If the United States lets such acts committed by
a few people go unpunished, then the whole world can rightly criticize
us severely and forever doubt the correctness of our motives and our
moral integrity."

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Senator McCarthy, American Press, May 20th, 1949 (on Nuremberg trials)
"I have heard evidence and read documentary proofs to the effect that
the accused persons were beaten up, maltreated and physically tortured
by methods which could only be conceived by sick brains. They were
subjected to mock trials and pretended executions, they were told that
their families would be deprived of their ration cards. All these
things were carried out with the approval of the Public Prosecutor to
secure the psychological atmosphere necessary for the extortion of the
required confessions. If the United States lets such acts committed by
a few people go unpunished, then the whole world can rightly criticize
us severely and forever doubt the correctness of our motives and our
moral integrity."
Senator McCarthy huh?

nuff said
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Post by Topaz
Senator McCarthy, American Press, May 20th, 1949 (on Nuremberg trials)
"I have heard evidence and read documentary proofs to the effect that
the accused persons were beaten up, maltreated and physically tortured
by methods which could only be conceived by sick brains. They were
subjected to mock trials and pretended executions, they were told that
their families would be deprived of their ration cards. All these
things were carried out with the approval of the Public Prosecutor to
secure the psychological atmosphere necessary for the extortion of the
required confessions. If the United States lets such acts committed by
a few people go unpunished, then the whole world can rightly criticize
us severely and forever doubt the correctness of our motives and our
moral integrity."
Senator McCarthy huh?
nuff said
"With the opening of the KGB archives and the release
of the VENONA intercepts - decoded Soviet KGB and GRU
traffic - it has been proved that McCarthy was
absolutely right about the extensive Soviet penetration
of the U.S. government in all the most sensitive
sections and its danger to America. According to the
KGB archives the NKVD had 221 agents in the Roosevelt
administration in April 1941 and the Soviet military
GRU probably had a like number. He was proved right
that the Communist Party, U.S.A., was an arm of the
Soviet intelligence apparatus and the Soviet Union
considered the US as their "main enemy." His liberal
critics in academe and the mainstream media, who denied
there was Communist subversion and made excuses for it,
were proved absolutely wrong! This should have
discredited the liberal ideology and those who mouthed
it. Because the left had no answer or effective reply
to the challenge McCarthy posed, they engaged in
personal destruction - they demonized McCarthy because
he was truth."

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Ernst Zundel sentenced to 5 years for Holocaust denial

Last Updated: Thursday, February 15, 2007 | 8:58 AM ET
CBC News

A German court on Thursday convicted Ernst Zundel of 14 counts of
incitement of racial hatred and sentenced him to five years in prison, the
maximum allowed under German law for denying the Holocaust.

Ernst Zundel,, has received the maximum sentence for incitement of racial
hatred.
(Michael Probst/Associated Press)

The Canadian Jewish Congress said it is satisfied with the sentence, with
chief executive Bernie Farber saying it sends a strong message around the
world.
The German-born Zundel lived in Canada for four decades, making frequent
court appearances to argue for the freedom to express his anti-Semitic
views in books and pamphlets, and on a website.

He was deported to Germany in 2005 after a Federal Court judge ruled he
was a threat to national security.

He was immediately arrested upon arrival in his birth country and held
without bail because German authorities considered him a flight risk.

In several European countries, including Germany, Austria, Belgium,
Poland, Spain and France, Holocaust denial is a specific criminal
offence. In Canada, Holocaust denial can be prosecuted as a hate crime.

In the closing statement at his trial, Zundel continued to deny the
killing of six million Jews and said the German court should set up an
international commission of experts to examine the Holocaust

A well-known Holocaust denier, Zundel operated a Nazi propaganda
publishing house from Canada and wrote for a website that espoused
anti-Jewish sentiments and questioned whether six million Jews had died in
the Holocaust.

The author of such works as The Hitler We Love and Why, Zundel had been
held in solitary confinement for two years in a Toronto jail under a
national security certificate before being deported.

In 2005, a Federal Court ruling that Zundel was a threat to national
security because of his connection with white supremacist and neo-Nazi
groups paved the way to his extradition.

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Zundel's former lawyer charged with incitement

Updated Tue. Mar. 20 2007 12:23 PM ET


Associated Press

BERLIN -- German prosecutors on Tuesday charged the former lawyer for
far-right activist Ernst Zundel with incitement, accusing her of denying
the Holocaust and ending one of her legal filings with "Heil Hitler.''

Sylvia Stolz represented Zundel in his first trial, which collapsed after
Stolz was banned on grounds she was trying to sabotage the proceedings.

Zundel's second trial at the Mannheim state court ended last month with
his conviction for incitement for denying the Holocaust. Zundel, 67, who
was deported from Canada in 2005 and also once lived in Tennessee, was
sentenced to the maximum five years in prison.

Mannheim prosecutors said in a statement that Stolz herself has now been
charged with incitement, attempting to thwart a prosecution and using
symbols of a banned organization.

During Zundel's trial, Stolz repeatedly disputed the Nazis' mass murder of
Jews, called for hatred of the Jewish population and ended a legal
document with the words "Heil Hitler,'' the statement said. The document
was freely accessible on the Internet, it added.

Stolz does not deny making the statements or writing "Heil Hitler'' on the
document. However, she told The Associated Press in a telephone interview
that while she anticipated she might be charged, it was part of her fight
against what she considers an illegitimate government built upon the
postwar allied occupation of Germany.

"We are under foreign occupation, and this foreign occupation has
portrayed Adolf Hitler as a devil for 60 years, but that is not true,''
she said. "But the real truth can only be told when someone attempts to
break this taboo.

Stolz is also accused of trying to "force an end to the proceedings'' with
constant interventions and "provocations'' that disturbed the conduct of
the trial.

The presiding judge halted Zundel's trial last March to ask for Stolz's
removal after she denounced the court as a "tool of foreign domination''
and described the Jews as an "enemy people'' in earlier sessions.

In April, she was carried out of the court room, shouting "Resistance! The
German people are rising up,'' after defying an order for her removal.

Prosecutors said they are seeking a ban on Stolz working as a lawyer.


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2007-06-17 16:14:14 UTC
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Ernst Zundel sentenced to 5 years for Holocaust denial
Last Updated: Thursday, February 15, 2007 | 8:58 AM ET
CBC News
A German court on Thursday convicted Ernst Zundel of 14 counts of
incitement of racial hatred and sentenced him to five years in prison, the
maximum allowed under German law for denying the Holocaust.
We need to get rid of the Jews.

http://www.noontidepress.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35&products_id=357
Filmed on location at the Auschwitz camp site in Poland, this stunning
video by Jewish-American investigator David Cole shows that the "gas
chamber" that has been displayed to hundreds of thousands of tourists
is actually a propaganda prop. Alicia, an official tour guide, assures
David Cole, on camera, that the "gas chamber" in the main camp that is
shown to visitors is in its original, unaltered state. Then Dr.
Franciszek Piper, head curator of the Auschwitz State Museum,
acknowledges to Cole that this "gas chamber" is actually a postwar
creation. This video also tackles other Holocaust claims, including
the "human soap" fable. Shows that fraudulent "proofs" of homicidal
gassings were produced after the end of World War II, and that
visitors to the Auschwitz camp site have been systematically deceived
for decades.


http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
RedFox
2007-06-20 23:18:33 UTC
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We need to get rid of the Jews.
No you and your like need medical treatment

I am sorry for you

Hate has won in your life

And that is sad

And that is all
Joseph R Loegering
2007-06-21 00:00:24 UTC
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Post by Topaz
We need to get rid of the Jews.
No you and your like need medical treatment
I am sorry for you
Hate has won in your life
And that is sad
And that is all
Here is where you will find a lot of original video of the camps, and even
some of the original eye witnesses and original victims. Watch what
languages were targeted in WW2, and which ones are being targeted now, it is
for the same reason, and is being done by some of the same people.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ww2&search=Search
The Antichrist Jews saved by the Antichrist Christians do not want you to
know, Christians who were not Trinitarian, and or were Christian descendants
of Israel, like my ancestors, some of whom were sent to concentration camps,
where some of the most brutal antichrist Jews were placed in charge of
executing the Christians and Christian descendants of Israel. False
Christians and False Jews are birds of a feather that flock together, look
at the slaughter that they did while claiming to be saving Jews in WW2, and
look at the slaughter that they are doing now, while claiming that they are
saving the Jews, there is no difference.

Some of these people in these Photos claimed to be saving the Jews, while
betraying some of my family members who were blood descendants of Israel
that were Christians, and the people like these in the Photos used the
Church records to betray them. My mother is a Bauer like the Rothschilds,
and my father is a blood descendant of Ephraim, the son of Joseph, the son
of Israel, and as far back as I can find records, they were Christians, but
were not Catholics or Lutherans or Trinitarians to start with, until some
forced conversions in the 1400s to 1500s. (Note, not all Bauers are blood
descendants of Israel, and not all Bauers, are related to the Rithschilds,
or the Converted Jews that many say they are from, originally some say Bauer
meant a Farmer, and was given to many unrelated Farmers that had no surname
when they settled in Germany. And in some areas because farmers were often
poor, the name often meant a Slum. My father's name they say also meant a
farmer, "a plowshare maker," is what they say it meant originally. )

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm


The Communistic Fascist , Antichrist Christian and Antichrist Jewish and
Atheist, Global Government of the New World Order.

In order to destroy the truth spoken against the Latin Rulers in any
language, the Latin Rules would find people in the target language to use as
stooges, that would betray the others by speaking the Latin Rulers' multiple
choice of lies in the target language, this often caused riots, and once the
Latin Rulers stepped in, they would jail or kill all their opposition, and
would save those that believed their lies, and would claim like the liars in
that language, that they were themselves the victims all along, falsely
saying that they were on the side of those that spoke the truth in that
language all along. Because the truth that shows the Latin Rulers were wrong
from the beginning on Religious Matters concerning our Creator and his son
Jesus, and who we are as Gods and Lords, was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and
Greek, that is why Hebrew became an unspoken language in 250 AD, as they
threw the Gods and lords into the Lions Dens in Latin Rome, and then falsely
claimed to be Rulers of the Church, and falsely claimed to be victims of
this holocaust, and that is why the conflicts against some Aramaic and Greek
speaking people continue to this day.

I studied Aramaic Biblical Texts that are at the University of Manchester,
Manchester England, when I was there in the 1970s, and these Trinitarian
Christians are bending the meaning of the words in that language to fit
their false Doctrines. Many of the Palestinians are being targeted by the
Latin Rulers just because they speak Aramaic using some of the original
meanings of the words, that Jesus himself spoke, and that would reveal the
Trinitarians and Zionist Jews who reinvented the meanings of some of the
words in Hebrew and Greek to support their false Doctrines, and now in
Aramaic, as liars.

When I was studying Hebrew and Aramaic and Greek in Europe, I found
different groups among Aramaic and Greek Christians that used different
meanings for the same words, and it did not dawn on me till later as to why.
The European Christians that were being persecuted the most, were not
Trinitarians, and in all the languages in areas where the Trinitarians try
to squeeze there backwards definitions into that language, the original
Christians in that area were either killed or run off. And these
Trinitarians always side with the brutal Rulers, and sway them to help them
do their dirty works.

Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to
his own way; and Jehovah has laid on him the iniquity of us all."

Jeremiah 50:6 "My people have been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused
them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have
gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their resting place."

Jeremiah 31

1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture!
Says Jehovah,

2 Therefore thus says Jehovah the God of Israel against the pastors that
feed my people; You have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have
not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings,
says Jehovah.

3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I
have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall
be fruitful and increase.

4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they
shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, says
Jehovah.

5 Behold, the days come, says Jehovah, that I will raise unto David a
righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute
judgment and justice in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely, and this
is his name whereby shall Jehovah call him, our righteousness.

7 Therefore, behold, the days come, says Jehovah, that they shall no more
say, Jehovah lives, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land
of Egypt;

8 But, Jehovah lives, which brought up and which led the seed of the house
of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had
driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.

9 My heart within me is broken because of the prophets; all my bones shake;
I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine has overcome, because of
Jehovah, and because of the words of his holiness.

10 For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land
mourns; the pleasant places of the wilderness are dried up, and their course
is evil, and their force is not right.

11 For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found
their wickedness, says Jehovah.

12 Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness:
they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them,
even the year of their visitation, says Jehovah.

13 And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in
Baal, and caused my people Israel to err.

14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they
commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of
evildoers, that none does return from his wickedness: they are all of them
unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.

15 Therefore thus says Jehovah of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I
will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for
from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.

16 Thus says Jehovah of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets
that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own
heart, and not out of the mouth of Jehovah.

17 They say peace unto them that despise me, "Jehovah has said, You shall
have peace;" and they say unto every one that walks after the imagination of
his own heart, "No evil shall come upon you."

18 For who has stood in the counsel of Jehovah, and has perceived and heard
his word? who has marked his word, and heard it?

19 Behold, a whirlwind of Jehovah is gone forth in fury, even a grievous
whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.

20 The anger of Jehovah shall not return, until he have executed, and till
he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall
consider it perfectly.

21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them,
yet they prophesied.

22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my
words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the
evil of their doings.



In Fascist Italy and Fascist Germany the merger of State and Religious
Denominations led to the destructions of the Greek Language and their
Eastern Religious Beliefs.

Many Greek people who would not submit to the Trinitarian beliefs of the
Fascists were counted as crazy, and were locked up in insane asylums or
nursing homes, which became Concentration Camps for killing all who would
not submit to the ways of the Trinitarians.

My, look at how well different Denominations of Trinitarians cooperate with
Atheists and Antichrist Jews. My Christian Ancestors, blood descendants of
Israel, were betrayed by the Christian Church family records, and even
though that they were Christians, they were sent to concentration camps,
while both the Antichrist Lutherans and Antichrist Catholics said they were
saving as many Antichrist Jews from the Holocaust as possible. Yes, I say
Antichrists, because no matter what other lable they call themselves by,
their actions prove their mouths wrong.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

Check out why Mussolini and the then Pope attacked Greeks and the Eastern
Religions in the 1920s and 1930s, the Aramaic and Greek Christians on
Germany's East front, were not Trinitarians, and they threw them among the
Jews and Muslims and attacked, that is why besides those that died in
Consentraion Camps, more than twenty million people were slaughtered on the
eastern front in WW2.

In service of God and Country



Joseph
Topaz
2007-06-21 22:59:30 UTC
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"The holohucksters love all those gruesome pictures of unidentified
corpses. They claim every corpse found after a brutal five-year war
is
the body of a Jewish victim murdered by the evil Nazzies. About 60
million people died in the war, but every photograph of dead bodies is
claimed to depict bodies of Jews.

Take, for example, those pictures of the bodies being bulldozed into a
mass grave at Bergen-Belsen. The records show that only about 7,000
inmates died the entire time the Germans administered the camp. But
almost 30,000 people died at Bergen-Belsen after the British took
over.
The pictures of the aftermath at Bergen-Belsen depict victims of
British and Allied neglect, not victims of German war crimes. The
technique is typical of holocaust hokum. Photographic evidence of any
holocaust just doesn't exist. How could such evidence exist? The
holocaust is lie."

Morghus

http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
RedFox
2007-06-22 04:43:54 UTC
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"The holohucksters love all those gruesome pictures of unidentified
corpses. They claim every corpse found after a brutal five-year war
is
the body of a Jewish victim murdered by the evil Nazzies. About 60
million people died in the war, but every photograph of dead bodies is
claimed to depict bodies of Jews.
Take, for example, those pictures of the bodies being bulldozed into a
mass grave at Bergen-Belsen. The records show that only about 7,000
inmates died the entire time the Germans administered the camp. But
almost 30,000 people died at Bergen-Belsen after the British took
over.
The pictures of the aftermath at Bergen-Belsen depict victims of
British and Allied neglect, not victims of German war crimes. The
technique is typical of holocaust hokum. Photographic evidence of any
holocaust just doesn't exist. How could such evidence exist? The
holocaust is lie."
The figures you quote are incorrect

The estimate of deaths during the time that Belsen operated as a
concentration camp is 50000 - fifty thousand - an additional ten thousand
died after its liberation to sick and emaciated to live despite the best
allied efforts

I do not know why you are so keen to insult the memory of the allied
soldiers who liberated these camps and left their own memories on record.
You insult the forces of your own nation and are no patriot

Belsen was NOT an extermination camp - -These camps operated further east
in locations such as Aschwitz. Belsen was not a camp with the industrial
scale cremotoria required for extermination. On liberation some 13000
corpses were found unburied with dying people amongst them

Auschwitz - an SS guard remembers

"In 50 years from now, not only will there be no survivors alive, there
won't be anybody alive who even knew a survivor, and that is where the
real danger lies," he said.

The fear that deniers could gain the upper hand led an SS camp guard,
Oskar Groening, to break a lifetime of silence earlier this year in a BBC
documentary, Auschwitz: The Nazis and the Final Solution.

"I saw the gas chambers. I saw the crematoria. I saw the open fires. I was
on the ramp when the selections [for the gas chambers] took place," said
Mr Groening, now in his 80s.

"I would like you to believe these atrocities happened - because I was there."

LEST WE FORGET
Joseph R Loegering
2007-06-22 09:54:09 UTC
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Post by Topaz
"The holohucksters love all those gruesome pictures of unidentified
corpses. They claim every corpse found after a brutal five-year war
is
the body of a Jewish victim murdered by the evil Nazzies. About 60
million people died in the war, but every photograph of dead bodies is
claimed to depict bodies of Jews.
Take, for example, those pictures of the bodies being bulldozed into a
mass grave at Bergen-Belsen. The records show that only about 7,000
inmates died the entire time the Germans administered the camp. But
almost 30,000 people died at Bergen-Belsen after the British took
over.
The pictures of the aftermath at Bergen-Belsen depict victims of
British and Allied neglect, not victims of German war crimes. The
technique is typical of holocaust hokum. Photographic evidence of any
holocaust just doesn't exist. How could such evidence exist? The
holocaust is lie."
The figures you quote are incorrect
The estimate of deaths during the time that Belsen operated as a
concentration camp is 50000 - fifty thousand - an additional ten thousand
died after its liberation to sick and emaciated to live despite the best
allied efforts
I do not know why you are so keen to insult the memory of the allied
soldiers who liberated these camps and left their own memories on record.
You insult the forces of your own nation and are no patriot
Belsen was NOT an extermination camp - -These camps operated further east
in locations such as Aschwitz. Belsen was not a camp with the industrial
scale cremotoria required for extermination. On liberation some 13000
corpses were found unburied with dying people amongst them
Auschwitz - an SS guard remembers
"In 50 years from now, not only will there be no survivors alive, there
won't be anybody alive who even knew a survivor, and that is where the
real danger lies," he said.
The fear that deniers could gain the upper hand led an SS camp guard,
Oskar Groening, to break a lifetime of silence earlier this year in a BBC
documentary, Auschwitz: The Nazis and the Final Solution.
"I saw the gas chambers. I saw the crematoria. I saw the open fires. I was
on the ramp when the selections [for the gas chambers] took place," said
Mr Groening, now in his 80s.
"I would like you to believe these atrocities happened - because I was there."
LEST WE FORGET
Bill O'Reilly and David Duke deliberately hide the traitors and murders of
my Family, so that their organizations may continue to persecute and betray
and murder others by their manmade laws, and manmade Religions, in the names
of their Gods.

See these Photos that link them to the murders of my Family

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

So that they may try to discredit and or kill me and or those related to or
believe like me, they falsely called my family that they killed, Jews. We
are not Jews, we are descendants of Israel, part of the North Kingdom called
Israel, the South Kingdom was called Jews, and we are not Antichrist like
many that falsely call themselves Jews and Israelis..


While many of my Grandparents and Uncles and Aunts, and their relatives,
fought both the Nazi Fascist Germans and Fascist Italians and the Japanese,
serving in Armed Forces of many different Nations against the Nazi Germans
and Fascist Italians and the Japanese, while some of our own blood
relatives were suffering and dying in the Concentration Camps of Europe,
Antichrist Jews have taken it upon themselves to falsely claim my ancestors
believed their false Religious Beliefs, and proclaim that they as Jews are
the intended and only victims, so that they may victimize our Families
descendant of Israel that believe Jesus is the promised Salvation from the
loins of Judah, again and again.

Take my Family names, Bauer and Loegering or Logering, and go to the
websites and or the actual record books that list names of Holocaust
Victims, and you will find my Family names listed among the victims. But my
Uncles Eddie and Matt and Ted Bauer, who fought in the US Army, during an
argument with my grandfather, revealed things to me as a child about the
Religious Beliefs of our relatives that died in the Concentration Camps,
that inspired me to sign up for the US Army, and go to Europe to find out
firsthand for myself, our Family History. All the Bauers and Loegerings that
died in the Concentration Camps were Blood descendants of Israel, but they
were not Antichrist Jews, most of them were Christians that had a different
Christian Belief than the Catholics, Lutherans, the Church of England, and
or the Orthodox Eastern Soviet Church, and it was the Catholics and
Lutherans and the Orthodox Eastern Soviet Church, who betrayed my Family
into the hands of the Nazis and Communists, by the Church Records that
revealed them as Blood descendants of Israel, and the records revealed that
they were converted by force in the 1400s to 1500s from what the Catholics
called a Heretical Christian Belief, that they believed stemmed form Arius,
and became named the Arian Controversy after him, 75 years after Hebrew
became an unspoken language in 250 AD. But many of my ancestors from the
time of Christ on, not only spoke Hebrew until 250 AD, they spoke Aramaic
and Greek, and then German and Russian later on, not Latin, and they were
not Trinitarian. Deliberately hiding the non Trinitarian Christian Victims
as Jews, allows them to continue to persecute and massacre their intended
victims.

The Arian Controversy - had nothing to do with the Arian Race that Hitler
was promoting, but because the Doctrines that they classed as the Arian
Religious Doctrine, was considered Heresy by the Catholics and the Catholic
Hitler, and Arius was often quoted to support some of my ancestors beliefs,
they thought my ancestors were followers of the Arian Doctrine, and they
deliberately promoted the idea of an Arian Race, to try to deceive any of
the followers of the Arian Doctrine into their traps, and this deceived the
whole world against the people that were intended to be the victims all
along, and now many are dead victims of the Holocaust, and are still dying
of a continuing Holocaust. For after my great grandfather Steve Bauer came
to the USA, Matt argued that they should return to the Religious Belief of
their roots, since America had freedom of Religion, and they would no longer
have to follow the false ways of the Catholics or the Lutherans like our
ancestors were forced to do in Europe, just to survive the death camps of
the Catholic and Lutheran Crusaders, and when in Europe, I found my Father's
ancestors suffered the same forced conversion as the Bauers, and they were
of the same original non Trinitarian Christian Belief as the Bauers, and my
Father's ancestors were blood descendants of Ephraim, the son of Joseph, the
son of Israel.

Though similar to the teachings of Arius who was a Gentile, my Ancestors
Belief was more Jewish like the Gospel Jesus and the Apostles taught, and
they shunned many of the doctrines and dogmas and teachings that were
invented by the Counsel of Nicea
or Later Christian denominations, and or the doctrines and dogmas and
teachings that were invented by the different sects of Antichrist Jews, and
my ancestors, though they had some scriptures that are not in the normal
cannon, they held and taught all the scriptures found in the normal cannon,
but they did not believe many of the books of the Apocrypha were of God,
like both the Trinitarian Denominations and the Antichrist sects of the Jews
had believed then, my ancestors were strongly opposed and persecuted by both
Christians and Jews who believed the doctrines of Judah or Judas Maccabean,
or who believed in Trinitarian Doctrines, since they left the middle east
about 70 to 250 AD.
.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/godsreligion/p/aa082499.htm

Some Palestinian Christians hold some of the same beliefs as my ancestors,
and they are persecuted by both Antichrist Jews and Trinitarian Christians,
for their non Trinitarian Beliefs that originated with Jesus Christ and his
Apostles. But only Middle Eastern Christians that submit to Antichrist Jews
or Trinitarian Christian Conquest will survive the Holocaust in Palestine
and the Middle East, just like in the Holocaust in Nazi Germany and the
Communist Soviet Union.

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_19516.shtml

http://www.al-bushra.org/

Since my ancestors believed the German translation of the Hebrew name for
our Creator was "Jehovah," and in German is pronounced, "Yahweh," and
because "Jehovah's Witnesses," held some similar beliefs, Westerners often
accuse me and or my ancestors as being "Jehovah's Witnesses," which
denomination did not start until around the late 1800s to early 1900s, but
records show my Family with some similar beliefs to them, were pronouncing
the German name Jehovah, as Yahweh, as far back as 600 to 700 AD. But even
many of the Christian Jehovah's Witnesses that were killed in the Nazi Camps
are often Counted as Antichrist Jews, not Christians, the same way that they
do my ancestors that were killed.

http://resources.ushmm.org/Holocaust-Names/List-Catalog/search/searching_group.php


Putting forth false enemies is for the purpose of hiding the true enemies,
and setting up the intended targets..

Like the two US Political Parties often do, on this video, both Bill
O'Reilly and David Duke are pretending to be on opposite sides while lying
about events that can be looked up, so why are they lying? The Government is
setting up opposite sides to draw unaware people into their traps. If you
have any personal records held by Churches, or Corporations, or Business
Market Analyzers, or a Government Branch, ask a Court to get a court order
to destroy all the copies of your records, because the deceivers will use
them to hurt you eventually, no matter how secure that they claim the
records are.

http://www.foxnews-follies.com/main_frame/main_folder-4/050224/050224-david-duke.html


After slaughtering many Christians between the Trinitarian Nazis and the
Soviets in WW2, in an effort to deceive more true Christians that don't
believe in a Trinity, into their death traps and death camps in the Soviet
Union, the Soviets began using a Trinitarian Eastern Orthodox Church as the
Official Soviet Church even though many of the Communist Leaders were
Atheists.

As blood descendants of Israel, there were Christian members of my family,
that were betrayed by False Christians that were Nazis, who used Church
Records to betray them, and Bill O'Reilly hurt a lot of people by pretending
not to know what he is talking about to this raciest, David Duke, and just
like David Duke's deliberate omission of the real murders, and his falsely
blaming others, David Duke showed his denial of the betrayal of my Family by
False Christians, and Bill O'Reilly's omission of the real murders, showed
his denial of the betrayal of some of my Family by False Christians, and
they both show the denial of the real murders involved in the massacre of
White Christens in Europe, and subsequently their denial of the real murders
involved in the massacre of Black Christians in Africa, for the same reason,
the massacres were caused by the same Evil Spirit that gave Bill O'Reilly
and David Duke and the Churches that they are associated with, and their
fellow False Christians, their False Doctrines that lead them to lie and
murder again and again.


Like the Black Christians in Africa, the Majority of the Multitude of
Christians massacred in the rise of the Soviet Union, were not Trinitarians,
they were Eastern Christians who spoke Aramaic and or Greek that did not
believe in a Trinity ever since when their ancestors were first taught by
Jesus Christ, and none of the followers of Jesus prayed to any dead Saints,
because the living Saints know that no one but Jesus is resurrected and
ascended into heaven, until the resurrection of the just after the return of
Jesus Christ. And those called by God and are filled with his son Jesus, are
called Saints when they are called, like the letter of Paul to the Saints
which were at Rome, or were at Ephesus, before the Latin Pagan Trinitarians
Rulers threw the true Christians that were called Gods and Lords, into the
Lions Dens of Rome, and when they began throwing Christians that were called
Gods and Lords into the Lions Dens of Rome, and others who claimed that
there were no Gods but one, were attacking true Christians that were called
Gods and Lords in both Rome and Jerusalem, that is when my ancestors fled
Jerusalem and Rome, and settled in Northern and Western and Eastern Europe
to escape the Holocaust brought about by Pagan Trinitarians in Italy, and
the Italian Trinitarians then fought with those screaming that there are no
Gods but one in the Middle East, and later the Italian Trinitarians
pretended to be Christian Trinitarians, in an effort to deceive more true
Christians that don't believe in a Trinity, into their death traps and death
camps in Rome.


If they believe in a Trinity or don't believe there is a God, they are both
under the influence of the same Evil Spirit, so stay away from them, they
are only nice long enough to deceive you into letting them get close enough
where they can falsely accuse you of something, and jail or kill you.


A quote from http://www.cmpage.org/betrayal/chapt5.html

"Soviet soldiers have been sent to "psychiatric hospitals" merely for
believing in God, an offense that is considered evidence of mental
disturbance. Psychiatrists have told these "patients" that they will not be
released until they renounce their faith, and stubborn believers are treated
with drugs that turn them into vegetables.11"

The Communist Soviets being Atheists set up a Trinitarian Eastern Orthodox
Church as the State Religion, and the "psychiatric hospitals" were often run
by members of the Trinitarian Eastern Orthodox Church.

The insane asylums and nursing homes in Nazi Germany, where the same drug
abuse occurred were run by Trinitarians of the Nazi Churches who often
spared the most ruthless Antichrist and or Atheist Jews, and put them in
charge of executing Christian blood descendants of Israel, and Christians
that did not believe in a Trinity.

Americans have been sent to "psychiatric hospitals" merely for believing in
God, an offense that is considered evidence of mental disorder often but not
always called being delusional. Trinitarian and Atheist Psychiatrists have
told some of these "patients" that they will not be released until they
renounce their delusions, but they claim that they are not attacking their
faith, just their delusions which they do not describe in any understandable
detail, and all the believers are treated with drugs that eventually turn
them into vegetables, or make them commit suicide or murder suicide.

The common thread in all three States, the drugs and the treatment are
manufactured and given out by and the diagnosis is made by Trinitarians and
Atheists that have united to provide so called humane medical treatment.


Thursday, April 19, 2007

Rep. Mark Olson
My name is Joseph R Loegering

Sir, we know big Pharma Paid off some of our Politicians and the News Media
to defame you for your bold stance upon the truth, so we are honored to
stand with a man of integrity, against them, we are behind you 100% The
C.A.L.M. before the Storm would like to thank you for representing the
people of Minnesota in our Just Cause of Life and Liberty for the Mentally
Ill, the Autistic, and those with Traumatic Brain Injuries!

One of my men just wrote me, "I heard yesterday that some segments of the
medical establishment have now started to routinely prescribe behavioral
controlling substances such as Ritalin... *to four year olds* !!! (What the
hell has happened to this country?)"

Four year olds don't have a behavior disorder, it is a Parent Disorder!
These Children have no choice but to be forced to take Dangerous Drugs that
cause brain damage even in adults with a fully developed brain.

I posted this on the Internet to help in the good fight!

From the Founder of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm;
to the Doctors and Lawyers and Volunteers among the C.A.L.M. before the
Storm;
and to whomsoever it may concern;
My name is Joseph R Loegering
Founder, of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm!
Blog http://josephloegering.blogspot.com/
The unarmed underground, Civil American Liberties Militia!
Intelligence and NBC Defense.
The Central Command and Control Office.
6050 Highway 10 NW Trailer 19
Anoka Minnesota, 55303-4579
Phone 763-205-1296
Just stay C.A.L.M. everybody, we are here for you!
Follow me, I am a US Army Veteran!

One of our Representatives announced the studies of the links of School
shootings, and the useless Psychotropic Medications and Abusive Psychiatric
Treatment, and their stripping of our Rights by false Diagnosis, that
ultimately cause School Shootings, on Capital Hill. But too many Politicians
acted like he was crazy. Send it to your Representatives to stop the Neo
Nazi Use of Psychotropic Medications, and Abusive Psychiatric Treatment, and
their stripping of our Rights by false Diagnosis, that cause Iatrogenic
Illnesses and Iatrogenic Deaths, and destroy Americans, and crumble our
Economy by paying for Fraud Medical Treatment.
See Former Pharmaceutical Rep. Speaks Out!


See www.gwenolsen.com
Big Pharma is paying the News Media to Brainwash Society in a Neo Nazi Mind
Control Program!
Wednesday, March 28, 2007
......
This ballot gives you the right to choose between two evils, which do you
consider to be the lesser of the two evils?

Caught between the Turf Wars of Legal Corporate Iatrogenic enslaving
Medications, and Illegal Street enslaving Iatrogenic Medications, so that
either side that we choose we will become Iatrogenic Slaves owned by our
Drug Dealers, so which of the two groups of Iatrogenic Medical Slave
Masters, are the lesser of the two evils?

Lets see, if you choose the Legal Corporate Iatrogenic Slave Masters, and
stop taking their Legal Iatrogenic Medicines that enslave you, they scream
that, "you are crazy," and can lock you up, and force the Legal Iatrogenic
Medicines upon you to keep you enslaved!

But if you choose the Illegal Street Iatrogenic Slave Masters, and stop
taking their Illegal Iatrogenic Medicines that enslave you, they scream, "No
don't go," and to try to keep you enslaved, they say, "I will give you a
free hit if you stay," but if you don't accept it, they can not lock you up,
and you are no longer enslaved, your are free!

Are you ready to Vote?

But wait a minute, didn't we have the right to choose the 13th Amendment,
just so that we could be free from Slavery? Did you guys forget to tell
these people that run our Society this way, about the accomplishments of the
Civil War? Oh wait, because of the Drugs that they forced upon me, I forgot
all about that guy that took the Presidency! Lets see, what was his name?

Was it George? Or was it Mud?

Us Iatrogenic Medical Slaves, say to our Slave Masters, give us Liberty, or
give us death!

For you deliberately conspired to do this thing, and you are now in
violation of the 13th Amendment of our US Constitution!

To the dishonest and greedy Racketeering US Doctors and US Medical Staff and
US Drug Manufactures and US Officials.

As an experienced registered informant for the Criminal Investigation
Department, of the United States Army, it is doing my Duty to my God, and to
my Country, as I secretly pretend to be one of them, and stand face to face
with Domestic Criminals and Foreign Enemies, going along with whatever
interests and activities the Domestic Criminals or Foreign Enemies, have
busied themselves with, as I secretly suck up all the information, and
gather all the evidence that I can, about their interests and activities,
and then I report of their interests and activities, and give the evidence
to the loyal among the US Government.

We are members of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm. The unarmed underground
Civil American Liberties Militia. We are made up of mostly likeminded US
Military Veterans that are spread across the entire USA, and some abroad,
secretly doing our Duty to our God, and to our County! We have no
membership, we are all Volunteers, and we do not expect any pay for our Duty
that we daily do, working separately to bring about our joint effort of
defending our Families and our Country, by exercising the Rights that we
serve our God and our Country to defend, against all our common Enemies,
Foreign and Domestic.

We have found that most Politicians and Judges and Lawyers and Police
Officers and the Media and the Public, do not even know what an Iatrogenic
Illness is! And we have found that some of you have deliberately taken
advantage of their ignorance, and you have conspired to use your Freedom to
say whatever you want to say, to influence and help them design and set up
our Hospitals and our Clinics and our Courts, just so that some of you can
try to get away with producing Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses. Just so that
you can make a Wealthy Lifestyle for yourselves, as you continue getting
paid for causing the Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses as Slave Masters of
Iatrogenic Medical Slavery! And we have found that many of you are
influencing or buying out the judgment of the FDA, or Politicians, or other
Officials, or of the Media, just to get them to approve and support the use
of Drugs, that often cause more harm than good, because they were developed
to make you the Slave Masters, and the Slave Owners, of those that you
deliberately targeted and bound in your Iatrogenic Medical Slavery!

Some of the Medications used for producing Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses, are
not used for the category of Mental Illnesses, but are not cures of
sicknesses, they are classified as Treatments for Chronic Sicknesses. But a
majority of the Medications used for producing Chronic Iatrogenic Illnesses,
are used for the category of what they call Chronic Mental Illnesses. And we
have found that you have even been using the Mass Media, to play upon
people's ignorance of Mental Illnesses, to build fear in them, as you build
prejudice in them, so that you can motivate them to do your dirty works at
your will. And we found some of you have been deliberately brainwashing our
society for a long time, to get them to blindly support, and to blindly
follow along with your scam of Medical Racketeering. And out of their
ignorance of Mental Illnesses, and the fears that you gave them, you have
tricked them into giving you the authority to use force, even upon those
whom you falsely claim have a Dangerous Mental Illness. And out of their
ignorance of Mental Illnesses, and the fears that you gave them, you have
built prejudice in them, and often motivate them by your influence over the
collective social group, to use intimidation, as a fear factor, upon those
who you falsely claim need your Medications, that cause Iatrogenic
Illnesses. And some of you are deliberately abusing the authority to use
force, as you force upon people ignorant of Mental Illnesses, Medications
that cause Iatrogenic Illnesses, just so that you can enslave them in your
Iatrogenic Medical Slavery.

I have the Detailed Documentation of what they are planning and doing,
enough to get thousands of convictions, does anyone want it?
......
VA Tech, and the News Media Brainwashing Society with Prejudice against
Autistic, Mentally Ill, and the Traumatically Bran Injured, in our Schools.
It appeared for a while that the News Media was going to finally honestly
deal with Bullies and Piers Prejudice against the way Children with Autism,
Mental Illnesses, and Traumatic Brain Injuries, behave, and honestly report
that Psychiatric Treatment on these Children causes more harm than good.
This is so because the Medical Community sees the behavior of the Autistic
and Mentally Ill, and those with Traumatic Brain Injuries, as being
unacceptable by Society, and then tries to use Mind Control Drugs,
experimentally handing each one different Drugs, trying to find what Drug or
Combination of Drugs would suit each individual, to correct their behavior,
instead of trying to find a cure for their disorder, or instead of helping
them live with their disability. So now after the VA Tech Killings, because
of the Public's Paranoid responses that will result brought about by the
Medical Community using the Media for Brainwashing the Public, and
motivating them with Fear, to try their Neo Nazi Mind Control Drugs, if your
Child has Autism, a Mental Disorder, or a Traumatic Brain Injury, to avoid
the Abuse from Authorities and Piers, parents should keep their Children
home from School, and get them in Private Schools built just for helping
them overcome their handicaps.
Because of the way Autism, Mental Disorders, and Traumatic Brain Injuries
come about, it would be impossible Scientifically, to give these Children or
Adults with these Disorders, a Drug, or a Combination of Drugs, to Cure
their Disorders. And the Drugs Scientifically cannot give them new
abilities, and make it easer for them to overcome their handicaps, and live
a more productive life. And because of the Side Effects of the Drugs, in
most cases the Drugs will cause them to become more dysfunctional, which is
often written off as, changing their behavior to the better, because being
more dysfunctional, their new behavior is said to be less Dangerous.

But because of the VA Tech killings in a School, the News Media is now
brainwashing Society to accept the Prejudice of Piers and Bullies, and send
them to Neo Nazi Doctors for treatment, or they say something like VA Tech
might happen. But the VA Tech Killings most likely were caused by such
Prejudice from Rich Kids and Religious Fanatics, who made so many complaints
that they sent the man to Psychiatrists, for useless forced treatment with
Dangerous Mind Control Drugs, Abusive Treatment and Drugs that without a
doubt, made his condition worse, and contributed to causing the killing
spree.
The News Media has become paid off by their sponsors to become totally
Biased by Neo Nazi Drug Manufactures, and Neo Nazi Doctors!
The VA Tech Killer was on antidepressants, that he was forced to take by the
Courts, even taking them is bad, but if the dose in their blood fluctuates,
and or they stop taking them, the withdrawals form those things, will drive
people crazy too. It is not the Disorder that drives them Crazy, it is the
fluctuation of the level of the worthless Drugs in their blood that often
causes Traumatic and Dramatic Drug Withdrawals that drives them crazy. But
did the ABC News Media say anything about that? No, why? Because against the
FDA findings, and against the major Medical Journal findings, right after
talking about the VA Tech Killer seeing a Psychiatrist by Court order, they
made an announcement saying, "in the most comprehensive study yet on
antidepressants," they say that the black box warnings don't mean much,
because the 27 studies, which were done by the Drug Manufactures, and the
Doctors that make money off the Drugs, they say that the good that they do,
outweigh the risks. But even the New England Medical Journal, and the US
Government, have found that those Medicines have no apparent benefit
whatsoever, and have bad Side Effects! The News was paid by the Drug
Manufactures to go against the FDA, and the major Medical Journals on
Antidepressants and Antipsychotics. And they are also paid by Political
Sponsors, to brainwash you, so that these Communist can do away with our
Rights on all levels of Government, and take over the Government from
within. They now can totally strip you of your rights by falsely accusing
you of being delusional, and Hospitalizing you, and being Hospitalize strips
you of your Rights. A Doctor Politicized my medical Care, and for Personal
and Political Reasons, tried doing that, and did it to me!

The News Media is sponsored by these Drug Manufactures broadcasting the you
should talk to your Doctors about their advertised Drugs that have no
benefit whatsoever, and experimentally take them without running any
Scientific Tests, to see what bad Side Effects you will experience from
them, and most of the bad Side Effects that you will experience from them
are not listed on the Labels, and the bad Effects that they will have on
your long term health are not listed there either. If you are giving them to
your Child among the millions of children being told to take them by their
ignorant Parents, you are running the risk of making your Child the next VA
Tech Killer.

As I get it written out, I will post accurate Scientific Information on how
the Brain develops naturally, and how these Medications cause abnormal
Neurons to develop that can only function while taking the Medications, and
stopping the Medications causes serious withdrawals from the useless Drugs.

Just stay C.A.L.M. everybody, we are here for you!

Follow me, I am a US Army Veteran!

As an experienced registered informant for the Criminal Investigation
Department, of the United States Army, it is doing my Duty to my God, and to
my Country, as I secretly pretend to be one of them, and stand face to face
with Domestic Criminals and Foreign Enemies, going along with whatever
interests and activities the Domestic Criminals or Foreign Enemies, have
busied themselves with, as I secretly suck up all the information, and
gather all the evidence that I can, about their interests and activities,
and then I report of their interests and activities, and give the evidence
to the loyal among the US Government.

We are members of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm. The unarmed underground
Civil American Liberties Militia. We are made up of mostly likeminded US
Military Veterans that are spread across the entire USA, and some abroad,
secretly doing our Duty to our God, and to our County! We have no
membership, we are all Volunteers, and we do not expect any pay for our Duty
that we daily do, working separately to bring about our joint effort of
defending our Families and our Country, by exercising the Rights that we
serve our God and our Country to defend, against all our common Enemies,
Foreign and Domestic.

In Service of God and Country

Joseph R Loegering

Founder, of the C.A.L.M. before the Storm!

The unarmed underground, Civil American Liberties Militia!
Topaz
2007-06-22 23:48:34 UTC
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Here is part of Hitler's speech at Rheinmetall-Borsig Works, Berlin,
on December 10, 1940:

"In this Anglo-French world there exists, as it were, democracy, which
means the rule of the people by the people. Now the people must
possess some means of giving expression to their thoughts or their
wishes. Examining this problem more closely, we see that the people
themselves have originally no convictions of their own. Their
convictions are formed, of course, just as everywhere else. The
decisive question is who enlightens the people, who educates them? In
those countries, it is actually capital that rules; that is, nothing
more than a clique of a few hundred men who possess untold wealth and,
as a consequence of the peculiar structure of their national life, are
more or less independent and free. They say: 'Here we have liberty.'
By this they mean, above all, an uncontrolled economy, and by an
uncontrolled economy, the freedom not only to acquire capital but to
make absolutely free use of it. That means freedom from national
control or control by the people both in the acquisition of capital
and in its employment. This is really what they mean when they speak
of liberty. These capitalists create their own press and then speak of
the 'freedom of the press.'
In reality, every one of the newspapers has a master, and in every
case this master is the capitalist, the owner. This master, not the
editor, is the one who directs the policy of the paper. If the editor
tries to write other than what suits the master, he is ousted the next
day. This press, which is the absolutely submissive and characterless
slave of the owners, molds public opinion. Public opinion thus
mobilized by them is, in its turn, split up into political parties.
The difference between these parties is as small as it formerly was in
Germany. You know them, of course - the old parties. They were always
one and the same. In Britain matters are usually so arranged that
families are divided up, one member being a conservative, another a
liberal, and a third belonging to the labor party. Actually, all three
sit together as members of the family, decide upon their common
attitude and determine it. A further point is that the 'elected
people' actually form a community which operates and controls all
these organizations. For this reason, the opposition in England is
really always the same, for on all essential matters in which the
opposition has to make itself felt, the parties are always in
agreement. They have one and the same conviction and through the
medium of the press mold public opinion along corresponding lines. One
might well believe that in these countries of liberty and riches, the
people must possess an unlimited degree of prosperity. But no! On the
contrary, it is precisely in these countries that the distress of the
masses is greater than anywhere else. Such is the case in 'rich
Britain.'
She controls sixteen million square miles. In India, for example, a
hundred million colonial workers with a wretched standard of living
must labor for her. One might think, perhaps, that at least in England
itself every person must have his share of these riches. By no means!
In that country class distinction is the crassest imaginable. There is
poverty - incredible poverty - on the one side, and equally incredible
wealth on the other. They have not solved a single problem. The
workmen of that country which possesses more than one-sixth of the
globe and of the world's natural resources dwell in misery, and the
masses of the people are poorly clad.. In a country which ought to
have more than enough bread and every sort of fruit, we find millions
of the lower classes who have not even enough to fill their stomachs,
and go about hungry. A nation which could provide work for the whole
world must acknowledge the fact that it cannot even abolish
unemployment at home. For decades this rich Britain has had two and a
half million unemployed; rich America, ten to thirteen millions, year
after year; France, six, seven, and eight hundred thousand. Well, my
fellow-countrymen - what then are we to say about ourselves?
It is self-evident that where this democracy rules, the people as such
are not taken into consideration at all. The only thing that matters
is the existence of a few hundred gigantic capitalists who own all the
factories and their stock and, through them, control the people. The
masses of the people do not interest them in the least. They are
interested in them just as were our bourgeois parties in former times
- only when elections are being held, when they need votes. Otherwise,
the life of the masses is a matter of complete indifference to them.
To this must be added the difference in education. Is it not ludicrous
to hear a member of the British Labor Party - who, of course, as a
member of the Opposition is officially paid by the government - say:
'When the war is over, we will do something in social respects'?
It is the members of Parliament who are the directors of the business
concerns - just as used to be the case with us. But we have abolished
all that. A member of the Reichstag cannot belong to a Board of
Directors, except as a purely honorary member. He is prohibited from
accepting any emolument, financial or otherwise. This is not the case
in other countries.
They reply: 'That is why our form of government is sacred to us.' I
can well believe it, for that form of government certainly pays very
well.. But whether it is sacred to the mass of the people as well is
another matter.
The people as a whole definitely suffer. I do not consider it possible
in the long run for one man to work and toil for a whole year in
return for ridiculous wages, while another jumps into an express train
once a year and pockets enormous sums. Such conditions are a disgrace.
On the other hand, we National Socialists equally oppose the theory
that all men are equals. Today, when a man of genius makes some
astounding invention and enormously benefits his country by his
brains, we pay him his due, for he has really accomplished something
and been of use to his country. However, we hope to make it impossible
for idle drones to inhabit this country.
I could continue to cite examples indefinitely. The fact remains that
two worlds are face to face with one another. Our opponents are quite
right when they say: 'Nothing can reconcile us to the National
Socialist world.' How could a narrow-minded capitalist ever agree to
my principles? It would be easier for the Devil to go to church and
cross himself with holy water than for these people to comprehend the
ideas which are accepted facts to us today. But we have solved our
problems.
To take another instance where we are condemned: They claim to be
fighting for the maintenance of the gold standard as the currency
basis. That I can well believe, for the gold is in their hands. We,
too, once had gold, but it was stolen and extorted from us. When I
came to power, it was not malice which made me abandon the gold
standard. Germany simply had no gold left. Consequently, quitting the
gold standard presented no difficulties, for it is always easy to part
with what one does not have. We had no gold. We had no foreign
exchange. They had all been stolen and extorted from us during the
previous fifteen years. But, my fellow countrymen, I did not regret
it, for we have constructed our economic system on a wholly different
basis. In our eyes, gold is not of value in itself. It is only an
agent by which nations can be suppressed and dominated.
When I took over the government, I had only one hope on which to
build, namely, the efficiency and ability of the German nation and the
German workingman; the intelligence of our inventors, engineers,
technicians, chemists, and so forth. I built on the strength which
animates our economic system. One simple question faced me: Are we to
perish because we have no gold; am I to believe in a phantom which
spells our destruction? I championed the opposite opinion: Even though
we have no gold, we have capacity for work.
The German capacity for work is our gold and our capital, and with
this gold I can compete successfully with any power in the world. We
want to live in houses which have to be built. Hence, the workers must
build them, and the raw materials required must be procured by work.
My whole economic system has been built up on the conception of work.
We have solved our problems while, amazingly enough, the capitalist
countries and their currencies have suffered bankruptcy.
Sterling can find no market today. Throw it at any one and he will
step aside to avoid being hit. But our Reichsmark, which is backed by
no gold, has remained stable. Why? It has no gold cover; it is backed
by you and by your work. You have helped me to keep the mark stable.
German currency, with no gold coverage, is worth more today than gold
itself. It signifies unceasing production. This we owe to the German
farmer, who has worked from daybreak till nightfall. This we owe to
the German worker, who has given us his whole strength. The whole
problem has been solved in one instant, as if by magic.
My dear friends, if I had stated publicly eight or nine years ago: 'In
seven or eight years the problem of how to provide work for the
unemployed will be solved, and the problem then will be where to find
workers,' I should have harmed my cause. Every one would have
declared: 'The man is mad. It is useless to talk to him, much less to
support him. Nobody should vote for him. He is a fantastic creature.'
Today, however, all this has come true. Today, the only question for
us is where to find workers. That, my fellow countrymen, is the
blessing which work brings.
Work alone can create new work; money cannot create work. Work alone
can create values, values with which to reward those who work. The
work of one man makes it possible for another to live and continue to
work. And when we have mobilized the working capacity of our people to
its utmost, each individual worker will receive more and more of the
world's goods.
We have incorporated seven million unemployed into our economic
system; we have transformed another six millions from part-time into
full-time workers; we are even working overtime. And all this is paid
for in cash in Reichsmarks which maintained their value in peacetime.
In wartime we had to ration its purchasing capacity, not in order to
devalue it, but simply to earmark a portion of our industry for war
production to guide us to victory in the struggle for the future of
Germany...
One thing is certain, my fellow-countrymen: All in all, we have today
a state with a different economic and political orientation from that
of the Western democracies.
Well, it must now be made possible for the British worker to travel.
It is remarkable that they should at last hit upon the idea that
traveling should be something not for millionaires alone, but for the
people too. In this country, the problem was solved some time ago. In
the other countries - as is shown by their whole economic structure -
the selfishness of a relatively small stratum rules under the mask of
democracy. This stratum is neither checked nor controlled by anyone.
It is therefore understandable if an Englishman says: 'We do not want
our world to be subject to any sort of collapse.' Quite so. The
English know full well that their Empire is not menaced by us. But
they say quite truthfully: 'If the ideas that are popular in Germany
are not completely eliminated, they might become popular among our own
people, and that is the danger. We do not want this.' It would do no
harm if they did become popular there, but these people are just as
narrow-minded as many once were in Germany. In this respect they
prefer to remain bound to their conservative methods. They do not wish
to depart from them, and do not conceal the fact.
They say, 'The German methods do not suit us at all.'
And what are these methods? You know, my comrades, that I have
destroyed nothing in Germany. I have always proceeded very carefully,
because I believe - as I have already said - that we cannot afford to
wreck anything. I am proud that the Revolution of 1933 was brought to
pass without breaking a single windowpane. Nevertheless, we have
wrought enormous changes.
I wish to put before you a few basic facts: The first is that in the
capitalistic democratic world the most important principle of economy
is that the people exist for trade and industry, and that these in
turn exist for capital. We have reversed this principle by making
capital exist for trade and industry, and trade and industry exist for
the people. In other words, the people come first. Everything else is
but a means to this end. When an economic system is not capable of
feeding and clothing a people, then it is bad, regardless of whether a
few hundred people say: 'As far as I am concerned it is good,
excellent; my dividends are splendid.'
However, the dividends do not interest me at all. Here we have drawn
the line. They may then retort: 'Well, look here, that is just what we
mean. You jeopardize liberty.'
Yes, certainly, we jeopardize the liberty to profiteer at the expense
of the community, and, if necessary, we even abolish it. British
capitalists, to mention only one instance, can pocket dividends of 76,
80, 95, 140, and even 160 per cent from their armament industry.
Naturally they say: 'If the German methods grow apace and should prove
victorious, this sort of thing will stop.'
They are perfectly right. I should never tolerate such a state of
affairs. In my eyes, a 6 per cent dividend is sufficient. Even from
this 6 per cent we deduct one-half and, as for the rest, we must have
definite proof that it is invested in the interest of the country as a
whole. In other words, no individual has the right to dispose
arbitrarily of money which ought to be invested for the good of the
country. If he disposes of it sensibly, well and good; if not, the
National Socialist state will intervene.
To take another instance, besides dividends there are the so-called
directors' fees. You probably have no idea how appallingly active a
board of directors is. Once a year its members have to make a journey.
They have to go to the station, get into a first-class compartment and
travel to some place or other. They arrive at an appointed office at
about 10 or 11 A.M. There they must listen to a report. When the
report has been read, they must listen to a few comments on it. They
may be kept in their seats until 1 P.M. or even 2. Shortly after 2
o'clock they rise from their chairs and set out on their homeward
journey, again, of course, traveling first class. It is hardly
surprising that they claim 3,000, 4,000, or even 5,000 as compensation
for this: Our directors formerly did the same - for what a lot of time
it costs them! Such effort had to be made worth while! Of course, we
have got rid of all this nonsense, which was merely veiled
profiteering and even bribery.
In Germany, the people, without any doubt, decide their existence.
They determine the principles of their government. In fact it has been
possible in this country to incorporate many of the broad masses into
the National Socialist party, that gigantic organization embracing
millions and having millions of officials drawn from the people
themselves. This principle is extended to the highest ranks.
For the first time in German history, we have a state which has
absolutely abolished all social prejudices in regard to political
appointments as well as in private life. I myself am the best proof of
this. Just imagine: I am not even a lawyer, and yet I am your Leader!
It is not only in ordinary life that we have succeeded in appointing
the best among the people for every position. We have
Reichsstatthalters who were formerly agricultural laborers or
locksmiths. Yes, we have even succeeded in breaking down prejudice in
a place where it was most deep-seated -in the fighting forces.
Thousands of officers are being promoted from the ranks today. We have
done away with prejudice. We have generals who were ordinary soldiers
and noncommissioned officers twenty-two and twenty-three years ago. In
this instance, too, we have overcome all social obstacles. Thus, we
are building up our life for the future.
As you know we have countless schools, national political educational
establishments, Adolf Hitler schools, and so on. To these schools we
send gifted children of the broad masses, children of working men,
farmers' sons whose parents could never have afforded a higher
education for their children. We take them in gradually. They are
educated here, sent to the Ordensburgen, to the Party, later to take
their place in the State where they will some day fill the highest
posts....
Opposed to this there stands a completely different world. In the
world the highest ideal is the struggle for wealth, for capital, for
family possessions, for personal egoism; everything else is merely a
means to such ends. Two worlds confront each other today. We know
perfectly well that if we are defeated in this war it would not only
be the end of our National Socialist work of reconstruction, but the
end of the German people as a whole. For without its powers of
coordination, the German people would starve. Today the masses
dependent on us number 120 or 130 millions, of which 85 millions alone
are our own people. We remain ever aware of this fact.
On the other hand, that other world says: 'If we lose, our world-wide
capitalistic system will collapse. For it is we who save hoarded gold.
It is lying in our cellars and will lose its value. If the idea that
work is the decisive factor spreads abroad, what will happen to us? We
shall have bought our gold in vain. Our whole claim to world dominion
can then no longer be maintained. The people will do away with their
dynasties of high finance. They will present their social claims, and
the whole world system will be overthrown.'
I can well understand that they declare: 'Let us prevent this at all
costs; it must be prevented.' They can see exactly how our nation has
been reconstructed. You see it clearly. For instance, there we see a
state ruled by a numerically small upper class. They send their sons
to their own schools, to Eton. We have Adolf Hitler schools or
national political educational establishments. On the one hand, the
sons of plutocrats, financial magnates; on the other, the children of
the people. Etonians and Harrovians exclusively in leading positions
over there; in this country, men of the people in charge of the State.
These are the two worlds. I grant that one of the two must succumb.
Yes, one or the other. But if we were to succumb, the German people
would succumb with us. If the other were to succumb, I am convinced
that the nations will become free for the first time. We are not
fighting individual Englishmen or Frenchmen. We have nothing against
them. For years I proclaimed this as the aim of my foreign policy. We
demanded nothing of them, nothing at all. When they started the war
they could not say: 'We are doing so because the Germans asked this or
that of us.' They said, on the contrary: 'We are declaring war on you
because the German system of Government does not suit us; because we
fear it might spread to our own people.' For that reason they are
carrying on this war. They wanted to blast the German nation back to
the time of Versailles, to the indescribable misery of those days. But
they have made a great mistake.
If in this war everything points to the fact that gold is fighting
against work, capitalism against peoples, and reaction against the
progress of humanity, then work, the peoples, and progress will be
victorious. Even the support of the Jewish race will not avail the
others.
I have seen all this coming for years. What did I ask of the other
world? Nothing but the right for Germans to reunite and the
restoration of all that had been taken from them - nothing which would
have meant a loss to the other nations. How often have I stretched out
my hand to them? Ever since I came into power. I had not the slightest
wish to rearm.
For what do armaments mean? They absorb so much labor. It was I who
regarded work as being of decisive importance, who wished to employ
the working capacity of Germany for other plans. I think the news is
already out that, after all, I have some fairly important plans in my
mind, vast and splendid plans for my people. It is my ambition to make
the German people rich and to make the German homeland beautiful. I
want the standard of living of the individual raised. I want us to
have the most beautiful and the finest civilization. I should like the
theater - in fact, the whole of German civilization - to benefit all
the people and not to exist only for the upper ten thousand, as is the
case in England.
The plans which we had in mind were tremendous, and I needed workers
in order to realize them. Armament only deprives me of workers. I made
proposals to limit armaments. I was ridiculed. The only answer I
received was 'No.' I proposed the limitation of certain types of
armament. That was refused. I proposed that airplanes should be
altogether eliminated from warfare. That also was refused. I suggested
that bombers should be limited. That was refused. They said: 'That is
just how we wish to force our regime upon you.' ...


http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
Topaz
2007-06-22 23:47:11 UTC
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"Toward the end of World War II I was a US Army captain on the staff
of Ambassador Robert Murphy, political advisor to General Eisenhower.
I was at Dachau about a month after it had been liberated, either the
end of May or the beginning of June, 1945. *There was no gas chamber
there, nor did I see one in the process of construction.* What did
occur was that some higher authority in the American occupation
government, whether a civilian or military, I don't know, decreed that
a gas chamber should be built, which was subsequently done.
I was also at the Buchenwald camp a few days after it was liberated on
April
11, 1945. There was a crematory there but no gas chamber."
Homer G. Richey
Charlottesville, Virginia
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n2_Letters.html



http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
RedFox
2007-06-23 06:38:45 UTC
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One excellent source for accurate information is

http://www.holocaust-history.org/
RedFox
2007-06-23 06:37:11 UTC
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Disposal of Bodies

http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/

Before the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union in 1940, deaths were caused
principally through natural attrition, exposure, disease, or as the result
of executions for supposed violations of the "Disciplinary and Penal Code
for the Prison Camp" issued by SS-Oberführer Eicke on October 1, 1933,
which included:

Any person who at work, in the living quarters, kitchen workshops,
toilets or rest places engages in subversive politics, holds provocative
speeches, congregates with others for this purpose, forms cliques,
loiters, collects or receives or buries information, repeats or smuggles
out of the camp by means of a note or some other method to a camp visitor
information, either true or false, concerning the camp, to be used in our
enemies horror propaganda, or who sends written or verbal message through
released or transferred prisoners, conceals them in items of clothing or
other objects, throws them over the wall, writes coded messages, or any
person who in order to incite rebellion climbs onto the roof of the huts
or up trees, or transmits signals with a lamp or by any other means, seeks
outside contact, or advises, supports or aidsothers in escape or crime,
will be hanged as a subversive instigator under the terms of the
revolutionary law.

The edict was nothing less than a license to kill on the merest pretext.
Hans Beimler, who was imprisoned in Dachau for only four weeks in 1933
before he was able to escape reported the brutal murder of nearly 50 men
during that period.

Dead prisoners posed a considerable problem for the Nazis. Initially the
dead were buried in common graves at the Leitenberg and Waldfriedhof.
Records show that 6,223 bodies were exhumed from the Leitenberg, and 1,124
were taken from nine different places. It

photo 5is probably impossible to determine how many of the dead were
buried there before construction of the crematories, and how many were put
in common graves toward the end of the war when the ovens could no longer
cope with the number of dead.

By 1940 the problem of body disposal had reached a critical point. Russian
prisoners of war by the thousands were assigned to Dachau while an
ever-growing influx of political prisoners, 'anti-socials,' and Jews, most
of whom were never registered, were added to the soaring population. In
1940 alone, 22,675 new, registered prisoners were incorporated into Dachau
and its subsidiary work camps. The number of unregistered deaths that
occurred at the camp will probably never be known:


How many were imprisoned in Dachau? Who died in Dachau? Who were their
torturers and executioners? The answers to these and similar questions
differ considerably. Thus, estimates of the number of deaths in Dachau
vary enormously. Zauner, the retired mayor of Dachau put it at 20,600,
Pastor Niemöller (quoting an inscription written in Dachau in 1945) at
238,756. Slew Gardner named a similar figure (230,000) in an article in
the Sunday Express on 10 January, 1960.

Why this great lack of certainty and the enormous differences between the
estimates? ... The root of the evil seems to me to lie much deeper: in the
great secrecy which surrounded the concentration camp at Dachau from the
very beginning to the end, as was the case with all concentration camps
and all other such extermination centres of the Third Reich. 12

One such example of unregistered deaths by execution in Dachau is offered:


In the autumn of 1941, several weeks after the beginning of the war with
Russia, mass liquidations took place daily. Well over 6,000 were executed
but their names, etc. were not registered.13

The first crematorium was erected in 1940, on the North-West corner of the
camp, and can only be reached over a small footbridge. The ovens are
housed in a wooden shed surrounded by a grove of trees. The
well-concealed site was carefully chosen, and further isolated from the
main camp by a large drainage ditch, the camp wall, a barbed wire fence,
and a large ditch with running water. It is quite impossible even today to
see the old crematorium from the camp, and many visitors miss it
altogether even when walking within a few yards of it on the path to the
new crematorium.
By early 1942, the death rate outstripped the capacity of the old
crematorium originally built by Topf & Söhne. The manufacturer's name is
quite visible on the doors of the furnaces. Plans were drawn up in April,
1942 for a more efficient four-furnace crematory which, from its early
planning days, incorporated five gas chambers. On July 23, 1942, the
order was issued from the SS Headquarters in Berlin to commence
construction of the crematorium at a cost of RM150,000.


The new crematorium incorporating five gas chambers -- four of which were
designed specifically for fumigation and a fifth for homicidal purposes --
was completed in 1943. This new crematorium would be known by the
ominous-sounding name of Baracke X.


It must be pointed out that the ovens at Dachau or other Nazi camps are
not, strictly speaking, "crematoriums." A conventional "crematorium" is
designed to cremate one body at a time. This implies a heating cycle, an
incineration cycle, a cooling cycle, and the recovery of ashes from the
deceased. An oven that cremates bodies in a continuous manner is more
aptly called an "incinerator". Cremations of cadavers, in this last case,
are carried out with no cooling period or recovery of ashes between
cremations. New corpses are simply fed into the ovens as the old ones are
consumed. The cost of operation of an "incinerator" is considerably lower
than that of a "crematorium," and the efficiency is considerably higher.
With coal and other fuel often in short supply, and with a substantial
increase in the number of cadavers to be incinerated, the ovens ran
continuously; several bodies were often burned together and the ashes
intermingled:


Improved ovens were put into operation here [i.e. Baracke X] They were
fitted with double doors to reduce the blast of heat when they were
opened. ... There were four ovens, with a capacity of 7 or 8 bodies each
at a time -- even nine when the bodies were very emaciated. Cremation
lasted about two hours.*

In theory the ashes were to be collected and preserved in urns. The
families of the dead could have the urns sent to them on payment of
expenses. ... The urns were, in any case, filled with ashes collected at
random, since several bodies were cremated together. In the end no more
trouble was taken to fill the urns, and the ashes were buried in the
grounds of the crematorium.18

* Other estimates put this time as low as 10-15 minutes:


While the crematorium still functioned normally, the burning of a body
lasted 10-15 minutes. 19




The Gas Chambers

Objectives

Two issues will be now be addressed:

1. The intended purpose of the gas chambers built in Baracke X; and,

2. The actual use of the chambers once Baracke X had been built.

Intended Purpose

It may come as a surprise to many readers that Baracke X incorporates five
gas chambers all of which were included in the original design. These were
built and exist to this date. Most visitors to the Dachau Camp, drawn by
horror to the main entrance of the crematorium and to the large room
designated as a disguised homicidal gas chamber, rarely venture beyond
these areas. The chamber (room # 8) is located next to a mortuary room,
which in turn connects to the large area housing the four huge furnaces.

photo 24
photo 25

There are, however, four additional chambers which figure prominently in
the original drawings of the new crematorium (Baracke X) . These are
located on the southern side of the building and were specifically
designed and constructed for fumigation or disinfestation. The
overcrowding of Dachau brought serious problems to the inmates, the most
dangerous of which was lice-borne typhus. These four gas chambers were
specifically designed to fumigate clothing, bedding, blankets, etc., using
a well-proven technique: hydrogen cyanide gas in the form of Zyklon-B
pellets. These chambers were identical in design as those proposed for the
same purpose at Auschwitz:


Effective as the procedure was [by using an earlier method - HWM], the
camp authorities found it irritatingly inefficient. Too much Zyklon-B was
needed and it took too long to exterminate the lice. The Degesch engineers
addressed this problem in an article sent by them to the building office
in 1941. They recommended the building of many small heatable chambers
designed to be used with the standard 200 gram tin of Zyklon-B. Heating
the space to over thirty degrees centigrade helped the gas to evaporate
from the grains quickly and completely and shortened the exposure time
needed to kill the lice to one hour. [...]




The proposed disinfestation gas chambers in Auschwitz were designed

photo 29 to use a unique device which would open the can containing
Zyklon-B, dispense the crystals or pellets onto a tray, and blow hot air
on the pellets to ensure rapid evaporation. The authorities at Auschwitz
were apparently not able to justify the expenditure that these mechanized
chambers would entail and the project was dropped.

The cost of the new crematorium at Dachau, however, included the
construction of four specifically-designed gas chambers for disinfestation
and , each supplied with the identical Degesch Zyklon-B dispensers that
had been proposed for Auschwitz. The disinfestation chambers are small,
narrow,

photo 30 and with low ceilings. They are better suited for treating
clothing, bedding material and blankets than for exterminating human
beings. Once disinfestation of the material was completed, the operators
would simply need to open the outer doors and let the remaining, but very
volatile, gas diffuse without risk into the atmosphere. The four parallel
chambers in the Dachau crematorium are unquestionably gas chambers
designed specifically for exterminating lice and other insects.

A larger room adjacent to the four disinfestation chambers is also a gas
chamber but this one was designed specifically for homicidal purposes. Any
doubts that this chamber is a gas chamber are rapidly dispelled upon
viewing the exhaust vents on the ceiling of the room , the exhaust chimney
on the roof , and the metal doors that are identical in design to those
used by the disinfestation gas chambers . It would appear that the fake
shower heads on the ceiling of the chamber , the sign over the door
stating Brausebad (shower room) and the smooth brick finish simulating
tiling were part of an elaborate ploy to make the victims believe they
were going to take a bath after having deposited their clothes in the
passageway connecting the disinfestation chambers with the homicidal
chamber.



Further evidence of its design as a homicidal chamber are the two bin-like
drawers leading from the gas chamber to the exterior. The only possible
explanation for these bins is that they were designed to receive the
granules of Zyklon-B (or some other lethal volatile poison) from a small
tin. The person in charge of a homicidal gassing need only don a gas mask,
open the two bins, and dump part of a small tin of Zyklon-B into each one.
Having done this, the operator would close the bins, which are protected
from interference from the victims by a protective grating, and wait a
few minutes until all the victims were dead. At this point, the powerful
mechanical extractor could be energized sending the poisonous fumes into
the atmosphere, drawing fresh air through a small hatchway located above
the bins. The bodies could then be moved into the mortuary chamber to
await incineration in the adjoining crematory furnaces.




The question arises of the difference between the method of dispensing of
Zyklon-B to the disinfestation chambers and to the extermination chamber.
Quite simply: the exposure time and concentration of hydrogen cyanide gas
for killing insects is considerably higher than that which is needed to
kill humans. According to the manufacturers of the product, it only
requires 0.3 grams per cubic meter to kill human beings, whereas
concentrations of up to 10 grams per cubic meter were routinely employed
to destroy insects. 22 The relative ease with which it is possible to kill
humans with low concentrations of hydrogen cyanide makes it simpler and
less expensive to use the drawer-like bins in the homicidal chamber rather
than to use the costly Degesch dispensers. Additionally, the bins would
allow for other volatile poisons to be employed as suggested by Rascher in
his letter to Himmler.

A suspicious and heretofore unexplained structure bears mentioning.

photo 42 What appears to be a wooden screen blocking the area where the
bin-like drawers are located on the eastern wall of the new crematorium
(Baracke X) can be observed in photographs taken immediately after the
camp was liberated by the Americans. This screen seems to be about 16
feet wide and six feet deep. It does not appear to have any roof-covering.
If it was indeed a screen, it would have allowed operation of the bin-like
drawers by one or more perpetrators without any possibility of being
observed by any casual bystanders.

Actual Use of the Gas Chambers

It is almost certain that the fumigation or disinfestation chambers were
used for their designed purpose. Bishop Neuhäusler quotes Michelet's
Street of Liberty:


...a good use for the gas chamber and for the poison gas provided. When an
epidemic of typhoid fever [The author is in error. He surely meant typhus
which is borne by lice. - HWM] broke out in the camp, in the winter of
1944, the Capo of the disinfestation commando suggested to the camp leader
that they use the cyclon [sic] gas to disinfect the rags and tatters which
lay in heaps in the yard of the disinfection barracks and were dangerous
bearers of lice. The experiment proved to be a successful undertaking.
However, the gas chamber was not used for this. Instead small rooms
located at the western [actually southern - HWM] exit of the crematorium,
as well as one other camp-building used generally for disinfections served
this purpose. 23

The official historian of Dachau, Paul Berben, further states:


During the winter of 1944-5, the disinfection squad, under authority of
the chief S.S. doctor, started disinfecting, by gas, the piles of vermin
ridden clothes. 24

Although the administrative authorities at Dachau, some famous prisoners
and many historians are quick to point out that the large gas chamber at
the camp was never used for homicidal purposes, there is at least some
evidence to the contrary. Bishop Neuhäusler, for example, states:


Also behind the wire fence was the camp crematorium. At first it was
housed in a wooden barrack, later in a stone building built by Polish
Catholic priests, to whom the building trade had been taught. This
crematorium was located in a small forest on the west side quite close to
the camp. The prevailing wind was from the west and consequently the smell
of burning corpses filled the camp, reminding of their approaching end and
adding immeasurably to their despair.

With the new crematorium a gas chamber was also connected. The whole
construction of the crematorium with its gas chamber was completed in
1943. It contained an 'undressing room', a 'shower bath', and a
'mortuary'. The showers were metal traps which had no pipelines for a
supply of poisonous gas. This gas chamber was never set in action in
Dachau. Only the dead were brought to the crematorium for 'burning', no
living for 'gassing'.

There is also considerable evidence that at least 3,166 prisoners were
sent to Hartheim Castle in Linz. Here they were quickly put to death in
the small gas chamber originally used to destroy the mentally retarded and
handicapped.
Topaz
2007-06-23 15:52:45 UTC
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"Holocaust revisionism, ie, the examination of the supposed
genociding of Jews in the Third Reich. The generally-accepted version
of this event -- or, more properly, this NON-event -- is what I call
the Orthodox Jewish Version of the Holocaust, or OJV for short, which
holds in its present version that the nazis killed 'six million' Jews
in 'gas chambers'. As it happens, however, there are numerous problems
with the OJV. The following is a list of the major ones.

* The 'evidence' for the OJV consists primarily of the records of the
court proceedings of the Nuremberg trials. As it happens, however,
vengeful Jews were largely in charge of these trials. (According to
Louis Marshalko in his book The World Conquerers, of the 3000 persons
on the trial staff, 2400 were Jews.) Adding to the problem was the
fact that (1) there was no historical precedent for war crimes trials
in which only the vanquished were called to account for their actions;
and (2) these trials violated the fundamental principle of fairness
that no one is to be tried for violating a law that was instituted 'ex
post facto', ie, after the crime was committed.

* 'Confessions' used in the trial were highly dubious, since many were
extracted by torture or or other unethical means, such as threatening
the families of the accused (According to British scholar Vivian Bird,
more than one hundred German defendants had their testicles beaten to
a pulp by 'interrogators'.) Two confessions were particularly
egregious: That of Rudolf Hoss, commandant of Auschwitz, which was
(among other things) written in a language he did not even understand,
and which provided the major basis for the 'six million' figure; and
that of Kurt Gerstein, the dubiousness of which was the subject of a
French doctoral dissertation.

* Many of the atrocities that were seriously alleged at the trials are
now rejected by even establishment historians as false, the most
prominent of which are the stories that Jewish bodies were made into
soap and their skin was made into lampshades. Evidently such stories
were created as war propaganda, just as were similar stories in WW1
about 'Huns' who were 'bayonetting babies'.

* The defendants in the trials had no opportunity to gather evidence
in their defense, and in addition were often given poor food,
subjected to freezing weather without proper clothing, deprived of
sleep, and -- as stated earlier -- often brutally beaten. Furthermore,
those who were condemned to death had their sentences postponed until
they could be carried out on the Jewish High Holy Days in a sort of
'blood libel' celebration.

* The printed trial transcripts often do not match the trial
recordings, and were evidently deliberately changed to cover up
embarrassing facts brought out by defendants in their trials.

* Auschwitz was not a 'death camp', as alleged at the trials, but a
large industrial complex in Poland, and the inmates were forced
laborers. The nazis were desperate for labor, so it would have been
irrational for them to have 'gassed' anyone, and equally irrational
for them to have mistreated inmates or underfed them. In fact, there
was a special court, under SS Judge Konrad Morgen, to try complaints
against camp personnel for abusing inmates. Beyond this, Heinrich
Himmler, who held principal authority over the camps, sent a memo to
all camp commandants stating that inmate deaths must be reduced 'at
all costs' -- hardly something one would expect to find in a 'death
camp'. And while it was alleged at the trials that 4 million Jews were
'gassed' at Auschwitz, the German camp records were not admitted into
evidence, and would probably have vindicated many of the defendants if
they had been. In particular, the Auschwitz death books, which were
released by the Russian government about a decade ago, show that only
about 74,000 people died at Auschwitz in all the years of its
operation, most from typhus, with only about 30,000 of them being
Jews. Furthermore, the crematoria were intended not for the 'killing
of Jews', but rather for the sanitary disposal of the bodies of those
who died from typhus.

* While there were Allied spies in most camps reporting on camp
conditions by radio, none of these spies ever made a report about mass
killings or 'gas chambers'. The idea of 'gas chambers' evidently arose
from the fact that all the clothes of arriving inmates were
disinfected in a kind of gas chamber in which Zyklon B was used to
kill lice which were feared as disease vectors (Lousy Jews?). These
delousing chambers, it should be noted, were far too small for killing
people, particularly in the numbers posited by the OJV. It should also
be noted that Zyklon B, the form of cyanide supposedly used to kill
Jews, was in fact a special form of slow- release cyanide which was
appropriate for de-lousing clothing, but inappropriate for the
instantaneous killing that was supposedly done in the "gas chambers".
(The irony of Germans being accused of killing Jews by an instrument
which they (Germans) used for preserving Jewish lives should not go
unnoticed.) In addition, as revisionists have noted, such killings
would have been impossible on the scale claimed by the OJV because
cyanide is so dangerous that the bodies would have had to lie for
hours before they could be safely removed, even by those wearing
protective clothing and gas masks. Beyond this, cyanide gas is
explosive, so that any little spark, as from the friction of shoes on
the floor, or any flame, as from a cigaret, would have caused any 'gas
chamber' to be transported to the place where it was supposedly
sending Jews.

* Revisionists have proved that the rooms alleged to be 'gas chambers'
could not possibly have served this purpose. The first investigation
of this problem was done not for the Nuremberg trials, but rather many
years later by Fred Leuchter, an American engineer and execution
expert, who took samples from the walls of supposed 'gas chambers' at
several camps and found that there was essentially no cyanide residue
-- an impossibility if the rooms had been used as alleged. (Altho
Leuchter's work was flawed, his conclusions have been confirmed
independently by two other experts, Walter Luftl and Germar Rudolf.)
Other problems posed for the OJV by the alleged 'gas chambers' involve
such things as no air circulatory system for dispersing or ventilating
the gas, no means for heating the Zyklon B discs for proper dispersal,
the fact that the doors of the 'gas chambers' opened from the INSIDE,
and that Allied aerial photographs of Auschwitz during the war showed
no holes in the roof of the supposed 'gas chambers' which would have
allowed the introduction of Zyklon B -- a point made by Holocaust
revisionists in their oft-repeated challenge, "No holes; no
Holocaust!"

* There is no good evidence that nazi references to the 'final
solution to the Jewish question' referred to anything other than
removal of Jews from the area of the Third Reich, the (false)
allegations about the Wansee Conference notwithstanding. In
particular, no 'Hitler order' (or order from anyone else) has ever
been discovered, in spite of the known German propensity for extensive
record-keeping, altho there is an internal memo of a phone
conversation with Hitler signed by Hans Lemmerer of the Ministry of
the Interior showing that Hitler wanted the solution of the Jewish
problem SHELVED until the end of the war. Beyond this, the nazis
actually cooperated with the Zionists under the so-called Transfer
Agreement ("Ha'avara") to train Jews for settlement in Palestine, and
the training camps for Zionists were the only places in nazi Germany
in which the flag of the Zionist state was allowed to fly.

* Jewish population numbers published in standard reference works both
before and after the war do not show a decrease of Jewish numbers, but
rather an INCREASE. These reference works also demonstrate that THERE
WERE NOT EVEN SIX MILLION JEWS IN NAZI-OCCUPIED EUROPE
DURING THE PERIOD.

* The 'six million' is a mystical number derived from Jewish
scripture, and in particular is the number of Jews who are said to be
required to die before Israel can be re-established. This accounts for
why "New York governor Martin Glynn, in a major Albany speech in
October 1919 [that's TWENTY YEARS BEFORE THE START OF
WORLD WAR TWO, for all you who are a tad weak on dates], reported at
length on the 'holocaust [of] six million Jewish men and women' who
were dying due to the 'awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for
Jewish blood' during the 'Great War'" (Irena Zdiarska, "Holocaust Is
Undeniable -- But Should Be Debated", Barnes Review Oct 94: 27)). It
also accounts for the fact that, in spite of the formal reduction from
4 to 1.1 million of the number of Jews claimed to have been killed at
Auschwitz (see pix of Auschwitz plaques below), the 'six million'
number has never changed, and thus that in the Orwellian Kabbalistic
mathematics on which it is based, six minus three still equals six.


* The OJV has changed significantly over the years. We have already
mentioned that the 'soap' and 'lampshade' allegations are now rejected
by even establishment historians, altho this does not keep Jews from
continuing to hold burial ceremonies for newly-discovered bars of old
Reich soap (we don't know whether they have also done the same for
lampshades.) Another feature of the original OJV that has now changed
was the allegation that Jews were exterminated at the camps in Germany
as well as Poland -- an allegation which has been abandoned for some
time. Yet another abandoned allegation is that mass killings were
carried out by means of steam, electricity, gas vans (using the
exhaust), and burning in pits; and in fact, the Holocaust received its
name from the latter allegation -- yet another irony of this congeries
of lies.

* The one thing which has done most to convince people that the
allegations of German atrocities are true is the film clips we have
all seen of the liberation of the concentration camps, in which bodies
are shown piled high, and surviving inmates are seen to be little more
than walking skeletons. But in fact these admittedly-shocking films do
not make a case for German atrocities, and in fact actually refute the
notion of "gas chambers": If Germans were gassing Jews by the
millions, as the OJV alleges, then Jews simply would not be around
long enuf to starve, as the "walking skeletons" and emaciated bodies
of the dead obviously were doing. The starvation, it should be noted,
was simply a reflection of the fact that, toward the end of the war,
the German supply lines had broken down, and food was not getting to
the camps. And above all, one should not think that there is anything
unique to Germany about "walking skeletons" in "concentration camps":
Exactly the same thing happened at the Andersonville prison during the
American Civil War, and the nearby photo is a picture of one of those
inmates.

* If there is any one thing which is a clinching argument to the
matter of the OJV, it is the fact that it is illegal to openly express
doubt about this story in most countries of the Western world,
including Germany (of course!), Israel (of course!), Austria (of
course!), Spain, France, Australia, and Canada; and in those few
countries in which it is not illegal, the laws forbidding 'race hate'
are increasingly being interpreted as forbidding such expression. The
point here is that fact does not require the support of legislation --
only falsehood does. And of course it does not take a rocket scientist
to figure who is behind this illegalization; nor does it take a rocket
scientist to figure why cases of 'Holocaust denial' are so vigorously
prosecuted: Jews, and particularly Israel, have profited in numerous
ways and by billions of dollars in playing this scam, including an
unending number of Holocaust movies (more than 400 at last count,
according to scholar Michael Hoffman), Holocaust museums (popping up
everywhere), Holocaust books (Elie 'The Weasel' Wiesel has written
more than 30; The Diary of Anne Frank is a perennial best- seller,
etc, etc, etc), TV dramas (the airing of "Holocaust' in 1970 is when
the scam really took off), 'survivors' by the millions -- all
pensioned by the German government, shakedowns of companies which
supposedly profited from 'slave labor' or were otherwise tinged by
Third- Reich-related activities (eg, IBM, Swiss banks), and of course
the billions in 'reparations', 'foreign aid' and other 'guilt money'
showered on Israel by Germany and the US. It has gotten so bad that
Jewish Professor Norman Finkelstein calls it "The Holocaust Industry"
in
his book by the same name, where he quotes his mother as asking, "If
Hitler killed so many Jews, then where did all the 'survivors' come
from?" No need to explain, then, why there is a saying among Jews that
"There's no business like Shoah (Holocaust) business."

* The only facts that come within even a country mile of supporting
the contention of nazi extermination of Jews are reports of the
shootings on the Eastern front of communist partisans, many of whom
were Jews. The following is what Lawrence Nevers has had to say on the
subject:

continued"

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-HoloRev.html

http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
RedFox
2007-06-24 03:19:59 UTC
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Post by Topaz
"Holocaust revisionism, ie, the examination of the supposed
genociding of Jews in the Third Reich. The generally-accepted version
of this event -- or, more properly, this NON-event -- is what I call
the Orthodox Jewish Version of the Holocaust,
Nope

It is the truth backed up by miles upon miles of contemporary documents
and eyewitness testimony enhanced by scholarly research

Get it solid:

Zundel will rot in the jail he has been sentenced to as will quite
possibly his lawyer until the end of their sentences

Do you wish to join them?

If so just spout your nonsense in the countries which were once the focus
of holocaust administration

But which now have seen the error of their once murderous and genocidal ways

You will not pass

give it up and get a life
Topaz
2007-06-24 15:35:21 UTC
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Post by RedFox
Nope
It is the truth backed up by miles upon miles of contemporary documents
Newsweek magazine May 15, 1989 says on page 64:
"the way the Nazis did things: the secrecy, the unwritten orders, the
destruction of records and the innocent-sounding code names for the
extermination of the Jews. Perhaps it was inevitable that historians
would quarrel over just what happened"
The real reason there are no records of an extermination plan is
because there was no extermination plan. The Germans planned to deport
the Jews out of Germany. The records show that they planned to move
them to Madagascar.
Post by RedFox
and eyewitness testimony enhanced by scholarly research
By Faurisson

The Unraveling of the Witnesses at the First Zündel Trial (1985)

The important victory won by revisionism in France on April 26, 1983,
would go on to confirm itself in 1985 with the first Zündel trial in
Toronto. I would like to dwell a moment on this trial in order to
underscore the impact on one's point of view, and especially as far as
the testimonies on the Auschwitz gas chambers are concerned: for the
first time since the war, Jewish witnesses were subjected to a regular
cross-examination. Moreover, without wanting to minimize the
importance of the second Zündel trial (that of 1988), I should like it
to be understood that the 1985 trial already contained the seeds for
all that was attained in the 1988 trial, including the report by
Leuchter and all the scientific reports which, in the aftermath, would
proliferate in the wake of the Leuchter Report.

In 1985, as also afterwards in 1988, I served as advisor to Ernst
Zündel and his lawyer, Douglas Christie. I accepted this heavy
responsibility only under condition that all the Jewish witnesses
would, for the first time, be cross-examined on the material nature of
the reported facts, bluntly and without discretion. I had noted, in
effect, that from 1945 to 1985, Jewish witnesses had been granted
virtual immunity. Never had any defense lawyer thought or dared to ask
them for material explanations about the gas chambers (exact location,
physical appearance, dimensions, internal and external structure), or
about the homicidal gassing (the operational procedure from beginning
to end, the tools employed, the precautions taken by the executioners
before, during and after execution).

On rare occasions, as at the trial of Tesch, Drosihn and
Weinbacher,[5] lawyers formulated some unusual questions of a material
nature, hardly troublesome for the witness, but these always found
themselves on the fringes of the more fundamental questions which
should have been asked. No lawyer ever demanded clarifications on a
weapon which, indeed, he had never seen and that no one had ever shown
him. At the major Nuremberg Trial of 1945-46, the German lawyers had
manifested total discretion on this point. At the proceedings against
Eichmann in Jerusalem in 1961, the lawyer Dr. Robert Servatius had not
wanted to raise the question; in a letter on this subject dated June
21, 1974, he wrote me: "Eichmann hat selbst keine Gaskammer gesehen;
die Frage wurde nicht diskutiert; er hat sich aber auch nicht gegen
deren Existenz gewandt" [Eichmann himself had not seen any gas
chamber; the question was not discussed; but neither did he raise the
issue of their existence].[6]

At the Frankfurt Trial of 1963-65, the lawyers showed themselves to be
particularly timid. I should mention that the atmosphere was rather
inhospitable for the defense and the accused. This show trial will
remain as a blot on the honor of German justice as on the person of
Hans Hofmeyer, initially Landgerichtsdirektor, then Senatspräsident.
During more than 180 sessions, the judges and juries, the public
prosecutors and the private parties, the accused and their attorneys,
as well as the journalists who had come from around the world,
accepted as a complete physical representation of the 'crime weapon' a
mere map of the camp of Auschwitz and a map of the camp of Birkenau,
whereupon five minuscule geometric figures were inscribed for the
location of each of the alleged homicidal gas chambers, with the
words, for Auschwitz: "Altes Krematorium", and for Birkenau:
"Krematorium II", "Krematorium III", "Krematorium IV", and
"Krematorium V"! These maps[7] were displayed in the courtroom.

The Revisionists have often compared the Frankfurt trial with the
1450-1650 trials against witchcraft. Nevertheless, at least during
those trials, someone sometimes bothered to describe or depict the
witches' sabbath. At the Frankfurt trial, even among the lawyers who
made difficulties for a witness like Filip Müller, not one asked of a
Jewish witness or a repentant German defendant to describe for him in
greater detail what he was purported to have seen. Despite two
judicial visits to the scene of the crime at Auschwitz, accompanied by
some German lawyers, it seems not one of the latter insisted on any
technical explanations or criminological expertise regarding the
murder weapon. To the contrary, one of them, Anton Reiners, a
Frankfurt lawyer, pushed complacency to the point of having himself
photographed by the press while raising the chute cover by which the
SS supposedly sprinkled Zyklon B granules into the alleged Auschwitz
gas chamber.

And so at Toronto in 1985, I had fully decided to do away with these
anomalies, to break the taboo and, for starters, pose, or rather have
Douglas Christie pose, questions to the experts and Jewish witnesses
as one normally poses in every trial where one is supposed to
establish whether a crime has been committed and, if so, by whom, how
and when.

Fortunately for me, Ernst Zündel accepted my conditions and Douglas
Christie consented to adopt this course of action and to pose to the
experts and witnesses the questions that I would prepare for him. I
was convinced that, in this manner, all might change, and the veil
woven by so many false testimonies could be torn away. While I was not
counting on Ernst Zündel's acquittal and we were all resigned to
paying the price for our audacity, I nevertheless had hope that with
the aid of this far-sighted man of character, and thanks to his
intrepid lawyer, history, if not justice, would at last carry him into
historical prominence.

From the moment of the first cross-examination, a tremor of panic
began to creep its way amid the ranks of the prosecution. Every
evening and throughout most of the night, I would prepare the
questions to ask. In the morning, I would turn over these questions,
accompanied by the necessary documents, to lawyer Doug Christie who,
for his part and with the aid of his female collaborator, conducted
the essentially legal aspects of the effort. During the
cross-examinations, I maintained a position close to the lawyer's
podium and unremittingly furnished, on yellow notepads, supplementary
and improvisational questions according to the experts' and witnesses'
responses.

The expert cited by the prosecution was Dr. Raul Hilberg, author of
The Destruction of European Jews. Day after day, he was subjected to
such humiliation that, when solicited in 1988 by a new prosecutor for
a new trial against Ernst Zündel, Prof. Hilberg refused to return to
give witness; he explained the motive for his refusal in a
confidential letter wherein he acknowledged his fear of having to once
again confront the questions of Douglas Christie. From the
cross-examination of Dr. Raul Hilberg, it was definitively brought out
that no one possessed any proof for the existence either of an order,
a plan, an instruction, or a budget for the presumed physical
extermination of the Jews. Furthermore, no one possessed either an
expertise of the murder weapon (whether gas chamber or gas van), or an
autopsy report establishing the murder of a detainee by poison gas.
However, in the absence of evidence regarding the weapon and victim,
did there exist witnesses of the crime?

A testimony must always be verified. The usual first means of
proceeding to this verification is to confront the assertions of the
witness with the results of investigations or expert opinion regarding
the material nature of the crime. In the case at hand, there were
neither investigations, nor expertise relative to the alleged
Auschwitz gas chambers. Here is what made any cross-examination
difficult. Yet, this difficulty should not serve as an excuse, and one
might even say that a cross-examination becomes ever more
indispensable because, without it, there no longer remains any way of
knowing whether the witness is telling the truth or not.

Jewish Witnesses Finally Cross-Examined:
Arnold Friedman and Dr. Rudolf Vrba

For those persons interested in the technical and documentary means by
which we were nevertheless in a position to severely cross-examine the
two principal Jewish witnesses, Arnold Friedman and Dr. Rudolf Vrba, I
can do no better than to recommend a reading of the trial
transcript.[8] Pages 304-371 cover the questioning and
cross-examination of Arnold Friedman; the latter breaks down on pages
445-446 when he ends by acknowledging that he in fact saw nothing,
that he had spoken from hearsay because, according to him, he had met
persons who were convincing; perhaps, he added, he would have adopted
the position of Mr. Christie rather than that of these other persons
if only Mr. Christie had been able to tell him back then what he was
telling him now!

Dr. Vrba was a witness of exceptional importance. One might even say
about this trial in Toronto that the prosecution had found the means
of recruiting 'Holocaust' expert number one in the person of Dr. Raul
Hilberg, and witness number one in the person of Dr. Rudolf Vrba. The
testimony of this latter gentleman had been one of the principal
sources of the famous War Refugee Board Report on the German
Extermination Camps - Auschwitz and Birkenau, published in November
1944 by the Executive Office of President Roosevelt. Dr. R. Vrba was
also the author of I Cannot Forgive,[9] written in collaboration with
Alan Bestic who, in his preface, declares with regard to him:

"Indeed I would like to pay tribute to him for the immense trouble he
took over every detail; for the meticulous, almost fanatical respect
he revealed for accuracy." (p.2).

,Never perhaps, had a court of justice seen a witness express himself
with more assurance on the Auschwitz gas chambers. Yet, by the end of
the cross-examination, the situation had reversed itself to the point
where Dr. R. Vrba was left with only one explanation for his errors
and his lies: in his book he had, he confessed, resorted to "poetic
license" or, as he was wont to say in Latin, to "licentia poetarum"!

In the end, a bit of drama unfolded: Mr. Griffiths, the prosecutor who
had himself solicited the presence of this witness numero uno and yet
now apparently exasperated by Dr. Vrba's lies, fired off the following
question:

"You told Mr. Christie several times in discussing your book I Cannot
Forgive that you used poetic license in writing that book. Have you
used poetic license in your testimony?" (p. 1636).

The false witness tried to parry the blow but prosecutor Griffiths hit
him with a second question equally treacherous, this time concerning
the number of gassing victims which Vrba had given; the witness
responded with garrulous nonsense; Griffiths was getting ready to ask
him a third and final question when suddenly, the matter was cut short
and one heard the prosecutor say to the judge:

"I have no further questions for Dr. Vrba" (p. 1643).

Crestfallen, the witness left the dock. Dr. Vrba's initial
questioning, cross-examination and final questioning filled 400 pages
of transcripts (pp. 1244-1643). These pages could readily be used in
an encyclopedia of law under a chapter on the detection of false
witnesses.

The Prosecution Gives up on Calling Witnesses

Three years later, in 1988, during the second trial against Ernst
Zündel, the public prosecutor deemed it prudent to abandon any
recourse to witnesses. Canadian justice had apparently understood the
lesson of the first trial: there were no credible witnesses to the
existence and operation of the 'Nazi gas chambers'.

Little by little, every other country in the world has learned this
same lesson. At the trial of Klaus Barbie in France, in 1987, there
was talk about the gas chambers of Auschwitz but no one produced any
witnesses who could properly speak about them.[10] The attorney
Jacques Vergès, courageous yet not foolhardy, preferred to avoid the
subject. This was a stroke of luck for the Jewish lawyers who feared
nothing so much as to see me appearing at the side of Mr. Vergès. If
this gentleman had accepted my offer to counsel him, we in France
might have been able to strike a tremendous blow against the myth of
the gas chambers.

All the while in France, during several revisionist trials, Jewish
witnesses sometimes came to evoke the gas chambers but none of them
testified before the court as to having seen one or having
participated in a homicidal gassing by hauling bodies out of the 'gas
chambers'.

Today, gas chamber witnesses are making themselves extremely scarce
and the Demjanjuk trial in Israel, which once again has revealed how
much false testimony is involved in the matter, has contributed to the
suppression. Several years ago, it happened that I was aggressively
questioned at the rear of a law court by elderly Jews who presented
themselves as "living witnesses to the gas chambers of Auschwitz",
showing me their tattoos. It was necessary for me only to ask them to
look me in the eyes and to describe for me a gas chamber that
inevitably they retorted:

"How could I do this? If I had seen a gas chamber with my own eyes I
would not be here today to speak with you; I myself would have been
gassed also."

This brings us back, as one can see, to Simone Veil and her
declaration of May 7, 1983, about which we already know what we should
think…
Post by RedFox
Zundel will rot in the jail he has been sentenced to as will quite
possibly his lawyer until the end of their sentences
Do you wish to join them?
If so just spout your nonsense in the countries which were once the focus
of holocaust administration
But which now have seen the error of their once murderous and genocidal ways
You will not pass
give it up and get a life
In both the two existing disinfectant buildings at Auschwitz-Birkenau
Concentration Camp in Poland, there is irrefutable visual and forensic
evidence that zyclon B cyanide had been used to kill lice which
carried deadly typhus. The blue markings inside and outside through
twenty-six centimeters of brickwork are still there today sixty years
after the end of WWII.

In the alleged gas chambers there is NO visual or forensic evidence of
zyclon B cyanide ever being used.

There are also no airtight doors on any so-called "gas chambers".
They look like ordinary rooms.

http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
RedFox
2007-06-27 00:01:14 UTC
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Topaz

You can whine your Holcaust denial lies till the cows come home of Hell
freezes over

Zundel will remain where he is

and rightly so

Care to join him?
Topaz
2007-06-27 12:54:24 UTC
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"Rudolph Vrba was a well-known survivor of Auschwitz,
who claimed to have seen gassings of people. But in the 1985
trial in Toronto, for the first time he was questioned very
closely under oath, by Doug Christie, Ernst Zundel's attorney,
with advice and with help from Robert Faurisson, the French
revisionist scholar. And Rudolph Vrba collapsed, basically. He
admitted that many of the claims that he had been making, in a
bestselling book about his experiences, were false. And he
resorted, finally, to saying, well, it's "poetic license," it's
an exaggeration - basically, it's a lie.

Another witness, Raul Hilberg, who is the author of a well-known
standard work on the "holocaust" question, was also forced to
concede things, too, that were very astonishing. And these were
reported in the newspapers very widely at the time. Now the
second trial did not receive the same media coverage in Canada,
but it did still receive some. And in the second trial, Fred
Leuchter was one of the most outstanding witnesses. Even David
Irving testified in that trial. I testified for five days in the
trial.

The Canadian Jewish groups, and the American Jewish groups, were
furious at the result, and have done everything in their power to
silence this man.



http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
LarsensAttack
2007-06-27 16:46:20 UTC
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Post by Topaz
"Rudolph Vrba was a well-known survivor of Auschwitz,
who claimed to have seen gassings of people. But in the 1985
trial in Toronto, for the first time he was questioned very
closely under oath, by Doug Christie, Ernst Zundel's attorney,
with advice and with help from Robert Faurisson, the French
revisionist scholar. And Rudolph Vrba collapsed, basically. He
admitted that many of the claims that he had been making, in a
bestselling book about his experiences, were false. And he
resorted, finally, to saying, well, it's "poetic license," it's
an exaggeration - basically, it's a lie.
Another witness, Raul Hilberg, who is the author of a well-known
standard work on the "holocaust" question, was also forced to
concede things, too, that were very astonishing. And these were
reported in the newspapers very widely at the time. Now the
second trial did not receive the same media coverage in Canada,
but it did still receive some. And in the second trial, Fred
Leuchter was one of the most outstanding witnesses. Even David
Irving testified in that trial. I testified for five days in the
trial.
The Canadian Jewish groups, and the American Jewish groups, were
furious at the result, and have done everything in their power to
silence this man.
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/
http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
As I see it, there was a line down the center of Europe.
Nazis apparently behaved differently in camps on the Western
Allies side of the line than they did on the Soviet side of
the line. Thats highly puzzling that the majority of the
atrocities were committed on territory that later fell to
the Soviets and less on those that fell to the Allies.
(Including lots of deaths from disease, illness and
related causes.)

Anyone know why there's this strange discrepency when
the Germans were so meticulous and standards-centric?

Anyone have exact counts on Jewish populations pre-WWII
and post WWII in Europe? How many came from Europe to
Palestine?
--
B3
==
Governments should fear their people, not vice versa.
No lobbyist job for elected officials for two years after leaving office.
No lobbyist job for any elected officials immediate family.
Term limits for all elected officials.
Hidden income audits for ALL elected or appointed and their families.
The Religious Right: A bogus vision of Christianity.
Remove tax-free status for churches that become political.
Fundamentalist=Israelite, NOT Christian
Governor Swill
2007-06-27 23:00:13 UTC
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:46:20 -0400, LarsensAttack
Post by LarsensAttack
As I see it, there was a line down the center of Europe.
Nazis apparently behaved differently in camps on the Western
Allies side of the line than they did on the Soviet side of
the line. Thats highly puzzling that the majority of the
atrocities were committed on territory that later fell to
the Soviets and less on those that fell to the Allies.
(Including lots of deaths from disease, illness and
related causes.)
Anyone know why there's this strange discrepency when
the Germans were so meticulous and standards-centric?
A) There were a lot more people east of Germany than west of it.
Berlin never conquered Iberia or the Isles. The French were staying
alive as collaborators, the Italians were independent allies, Sweden
was neutral, Finland was outside the German sphere of operations. East
to Moscow is a vastly larger area than west to the Atlantic. The
Eastern front was larger in every way. Russian armies have
historically been huge in numbers but rather lacking in technology and
tactical expertise. And Stalin was doing some exterminating himself.
There were no allied cities besieged that I know of.

Swill
Topaz
2007-06-28 21:21:30 UTC
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:46:20 -0400, LarsensAttack
Post by LarsensAttack
As I see it, there was a line down the center of Europe.
Nazis apparently behaved differently in camps on the Western
Allies side of the line than they did on the Soviet side of
the line.
Auschwitz was occupied by the Communists on January 27,1945. They
made reports about what they claim to have found. These initial
reports had not yet been adapted to allied propaganda. The reports
were published on February 1 and 2, 1945 in the Soviet propaganda
organ Pravda. Here are some things it said:

"the Germans in Auschwitz began to remove the traces of their
crimes"

"They leveled the burial grounds."

"They removed and destroyed all traces of the electric conveyer
system, where hundreds of people at one time were electrocuted."

"The stationary gas chambers in the east side of the camp were
remodeled."

"This huge death mill was equipped with the latest style of fascist
technology..."

The Communists did not even claim to have seen any killing
machines or rooms. Supposedly it was all destroyed or remodelled. The
did not allow the other allies to enter the camp, and they did not
supply any pictures or blueprints or any physical evidence.
Nevertheless, the United Press correspondent, Henry Shapiro,
obediantly echoed the Soviets story.

The Soviets said that the Auschwitz complex was entirely a "murder
machine". There was not a single word to indicate that the camp was
part of the German armament industies, as we now know it clearly was.

Even if the Germans had "leveled" the alleged huge grave pits the
bodies would still be present. However anyone familiar with the matter
knows that in Auschwitz no large grave sites were ever found.

The Communists did not allow any inspection of the camps by foreign
observers for many months afterwards and their claims conflict with
what "holocaust experts" say today. Today the experts all talk of gas
chambers is Birkenau, a part of the camp far to the west. This is much
different from where the Communists initially claimed that they were.
The Communists said the gas chambers were "remodelled", while today
the experts say the gas chambers were completely destroyed. The
Communists said the gas chambers were made to look like "harmless
garages". But they did not supply a single photo of one.

The initial Communist reports also do not mention things that are
now claimed to have been there. There is no mention of a pile of
eyeglasses, or hair, or shoes. There is no mention of underground gas
chambers. There is no mention of "farmhouses" remodelled to be gas
chambers. There is no mention of the rivers clogged with human ashes.

Today the experts are forced to admit that there were no gas
chambers in Germany. We are now told that "gassing" and
"extermination" camps were located exclusively in what is
now Poland, in areas captured by the Soviet Red Army and made
off-limits to
western investigators.

Today tourists can go to Auschwitz and be shown a "gas chamber".
This is admitted by the experts not to be genuine.


Brian Harmon <***@msg.ucsf.edu> wrote in article
<080620000051136373%***@msg.ucsf.edu>...

"You're confusing Krema I with Kremas II-V. Krema I is a
reconstruction, this has never been a secret. Kremas II-V
are in their demolished state as they were left."

Charles Don Hall <cdhall-***@erols.com> wrote in article
<***@news.erols.com>...

"Certainly not! The word "fake" implies a deliberate attempt to
deceive.

"The staff of the Auschwitz museum will readily explain that the Nazis
tried to destroy the gas chambers in a futile attempt to conceal their
crimes. And they'll tell you that reconstruction was done later on. So
it
would be dishonest for me to call it a "fake". I'll cheerfully admit
that
it's a "reconstruction" if that makes you happy."
Post by LarsensAttack
Thats highly puzzling that the majority of the
atrocities were committed on territory that later fell to
Nazis weren't into atrocities. Jews were.

Article Winston Churchill wrote in 1920:
"This movement amongst the Jews (the Russian Revolution) is not new.
From the days of Spartacus Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down
to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kuhn (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany)
and Emma Goldman (United States), this world wide conspiracy for the
overthrow of civilization and the reconstruction of society on the
basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible
equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer,
Mrs. Nesta Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part
in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of
every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at
last this band of extraordinary personalities has gripped the Russian
people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the
undisputed masters of that enormous empire. There is no need to
exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the
actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international
and for the most part atheistic Jews. Moreover, the principal
inspiration and driving power comes from Jewish leaders." (ibid)

Lev Trotzky wrote a book called "Stalin: An Appraisal of the Man and
His Influence", Harper Bros., New York and London, 1941, translated by
Charles Malamuth.
In this book he told who the principle members of the October Central
Committee were. This group was the leadership of the Bolshevik Party
during the October Revolution. This is what he wrote:
"In view of the Party's semi-legality the names of persons elected by
secret ballot were not announced at the Congress, with the exception
of the four who had received the largest number of votes. Lenin--133
out of a possible 134, Zinoviev--132, Kamenev--131, Trotzky--131."
Of these four top leaders of the Bolshevik Party the last three were
known Jews. Lenin was thought to be a gentile married to a Jewess. It
was later proven that he was one quarter Jewish, London Jewish
Chronicle April 21, 1995, Lenin: Life and Legacy.
David Francis, the American Ambassador to Russia at the time of the
Revolution, wrote:
"The Bolshevic leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of
whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country
but are internationalists and they are trying to start a world-wide
revolution."
The Director of British Intelligence to the U.S. Secretary of State
wrote this:
"There is now definite evidence that Bolshevism is an international
movement controlled by Jews."
In 1945 the FBI arrested six individuals for stealing 1700 highly
confidential documents from State Department files. This was the
Amerasia case they were:
Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who came to the U.S. in 1905. He was at
one time the editor of the communist paper "Labor Defense" and the
ringleader of the group arrested.
Andrew Roth, a Jew.
Mark Gayn, a Jew, changed his name from Julius Ginsberg.
John Service, a gentile.
Emmanuel Larsen, nationality unknown
Kate Mitchel, nationality unknown.
In 1949 the Jewess Judith Coplin was caught passing classified
documents from Justice Department files to a Russian agent.
The highest ranking communist brought to trial in the U.S. was Gerhart
Eisler. He was a Jew. He was the secret boss of the Communist Party
in the U.S. and commuted regularly between the U.S. and Russia.
In 1950 there was the "Hollywood Ten" case. Ten leading film writers
of the Hollywood Film Colony were convicted for contempt of Congress
and sentenced to prison. Nine of the ten were Jews. Six of the ten
were communist party members and the other four were flagrantly
pro-communist.
One of the top new stories of 1949 was the trial of Eugene Dennis and
the Convicted Eleven. This group comprised the National Secretariat of
the American Communist Party. Six were Jews, two gentiles, three
nationality unknown.
Also in 1949 the German-born atomic scientist Klaus Fuchs was
convicted for passing atomic secrets to the Russians. Acting on
information obtained from Fuchs the FBI arrested nine other members of
the ring. All of them were convicted. Eight of the nine were Jews.
Here are some quotes from a very pro-Jewish book that was first
published in 1925. The book is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis
Browne.
"But save for such exceptions, the Jews who led or participated in the
heroic efforts to remold the world of the last century, were neither
Reform or Orthodox. Indeed, they were often not professing Jews at
all.
"For instance, there was Heinrich Heine and Ludwig Borne, both
unfaltering champions of freedom. And even more conspicuously, there
was Karl Marx, one of the great prophetic geniuses of modern times.
"Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl Marx,
though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of
Israel than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born
in Germany in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not
himself reared as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized
a Christian by his father. Yet the rebel soul of the Jew flamed in him
throughout his days, for he was always a 'troubler' in Europe."

"Then, of course, there are Ludwig Borne and Heinrich Heine, two men
who by their merciless wit and sarcasm became leaders among the
revolutionary writers. Karl Marx, Ferdinand Lassalle, Johann Jacoby,
Gabriel Riesser, Adolphe Cremieux, Signora Nathan- all these of Jewish
lineage played important roles in the struggle that went throughout
Europe in this period. Wherever the war for human liberty was being
waged, whether in France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, or Italy, there
the Jew was to be found. It was little wonder that the enemies of
social progress, the monarchists and the Churchmen, came to speak of
the whole liberal movement as nothing but a Jewish plot."
The book "Soviet Russia and the Jews" by Gregor Aronson and published
by the American Jewish League Against Communism, quotes Stalin in an
interview in 1931 with the Jewish Telegraph Agency. Stalin said:
"...Communists cannot be anything but outspoken enemies of
Anti-Semitism. We fight anti-Semites by the strongest methods in the
Soviet Union. Active anti-Semites are punished by death under the
law."
The following quotes are taken directly from documents available from
the
U.S. Archives:
State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominent in local Soviet
government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."
State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet
government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type."
From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
type" type."
A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here
were 384 'commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
Imperial Government.
The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."
"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920
"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
Interestingly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
himself:
"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).

Here is a quote from Mein Kampf:
"Making an effort to overcome my natural reluctance, I tried to read
articles of this nature published in the Marxist Press; but in doing
so my aversion increased all the more. And then I set about learning
something of the people who wrote and published this mischievous
stuff. From the publisher downwards, all of them were Jews. I
recalled to mind the names of the public leaders of Marxism, and then
I realized that most of them belonged to the Chosen Race- the Social
Democratic representatives in the Imperial Cabinet as well as the
secretaries if the Trades Unions and the street agitators. Everywhere
the same sinister picture presented itself. I shall never forget the
row of names- Austerlitz, David, Adler, Ellonbogen, and others. One
fact became quite evident to me. It was that this alien race held in
its hands the leadership of that Social Democratic Party with whose
minor representatives I had been disputing for months past."
Solzhenitsyn named in his book the six top administrators of the
Soviet death camps. All six of them were Jews.
Here is something the National Socialists wrote:
"The Soviet Union was in fact a paradise for one group: the Jews. Even
at times when for foreign policy reasons Jews were less evident in the
government, or when they ruled through straw men, the Jews were always
visible in the middle and lower levels of the administration."
Post by LarsensAttack
the Soviets and less on those that fell to the Allies.
(Including lots of deaths from disease, illness and
related causes.)
Anyone know why there's this strange discrepency when
the Germans were so meticulous and standards-centric?
Anyone have exact counts on Jewish populations pre-WWII
and post WWII in Europe? How many came from Europe to
Palestine?
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html

RedFox
2007-06-23 06:40:05 UTC
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Zundel will remain where he is till the end of his sentence

His lawyer may shortly join him

There would be room for you too Topaz if you have the guts to tell your
lies in Germany itself
Topaz
2007-06-21 22:58:30 UTC
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Holocaust heavyweight Rudolf Vrba, under cross-examination in a
Canadian courtroom, states under oath that 150,000 French Jews were
gassed at Auschwitz, in spite of the fact that the entire number of
Jews deported from France were only 75,721. Vrba claims he arrived at
his count "scientifically" by having listened to the language spoken
by the inmates at Auschwitz and examining their luggage (!). The
author of "I Cannot Forgive" next confessed that his book was "an
artistic picture ... not a document for a court," in spite of the fact
that Vrba's testimony was crucial to both the War Refugee Board and
the Auschwitz Trials in West Germany. Vrba further admitted that his
written and pictorial descriptions of Auschwitz crematoria were a
result of guessing, based on "what I heard it might look like." Oops!

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth,
he will either quit being mistaken or cease being honest.

http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
RedFox
2007-06-22 04:24:26 UTC
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Post by Topaz
Holocaust heavyweight Rudolf Vrba, under cross-examination in a
Canadian courtroom, states under oath that 150,000 French Jews were
gassed at Auschwitz, in spite of the fact that the entire number of
Jews deported from France were only 75,721.
The present conclusively accepted figures are as follows - they are
minimum figures





  GENEALOGICAL RESEARCHES ON JEWS DEPORTED FROM FRANCE

Genealogical researches.concerning Jews deported from France (not only
French Jews but also the foreign refugees who were arrested in France and
deported) are not easy since some families have been entirely
exterminated. Nevertheless some sources are available to retrieve their
memory and facilitate research.

The present page is condensed from the French version, where more details
are given.

The French law of May 15, 1985

After 1945, when it appeared that many deportees had "disappeared", their
families obtained official acts equivalent to a death certificate. In the
beginning, it was decided that the "death place" would be the last
internment camp where the future deportee was detained (Drancy,
Pithiviers...) and that the "death date" would be the date of departure of
the convoy.

This was obviously a strong distortion of history so that on May 15, 1985,
forty years after the end of WW2, a French law was promulgated to correct
this nonsense.

According to this law, the death records of all people deported from
France should be modified and carry the mention "dead in deportation".
When nothing is known concerning the actual fate of the deportee, the
death is presumed to have occurred 5 days after the departure of the
convoy.

Note that this concerns all deportees, Jews or non-jews. An important
source exists therefore, it is the French Journal Officiel where are
published, since 1986, the decrees which contain the lists of people
officially declared ³dead in deportation².

At the present day (September 2005), i.e. 20 years after this law was
promulgated, these rectifications of the death acts are not completed.

From the figures given on the Website of the "Fundation for the Memory of
the Deportation" (not to be confused with the Fundation for the Memory of
the Shoah), one finds:

* 85,000 people deported as an effect of the nazi repression :
resistants, political opponents, hostages or victims of reprisals (figures
known in 1999). Among these, 40 % did not come back, i.e. about 34,000
persons.


* 76,000 people deported (including 11,000 children) as an effect of the
antisemitic persecutions. Among these, 97 % did not come back, i.e. about
74,000 persons.


The total number of persons who did not come back from deportation is thus
about 108,000. .

The ministerial orders ("arrêtés") published in the Journal Officiel give
the official nominative lists of the persons "dead in deportation". On
August 8, 2003, the total number of names in these arrêtés was only 48,000
and not much was done since. Therefore almost 60,000 people are
scandalously missing, including almost all children. Moreover, many
mistakes can be found in these lists.

Where can these lists be found ? In the Journal Officiel and in two Websites.

The Journal Officiel

The death acts rectified according to the above mentioned law are
published as nominative lists in the Journal Officiel. The corresponding
Website is
http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/WAspad/RechercheSimpleJorf.jsp . Search for
the chain of characters «mort en déportation» and you obtain the whole
list of all arrêtés published.

The Websites of Daniel Carouge, Patrick Cheylan, and Eve Line Blum

Daniel CAROUGE collected all the arrêtés he knew at that time, in the
number of 91, in the file
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/petit-chemin/Histoire/Accueil.htm . This zipped
EXCEL file (2,2 Mo) contains more than 29,999 names, plus 4,000 maiden
names of wifes, in alphabetical order.

From Carouge's file, Patrick CHEYLAN made a database with the same basic
informations but classified according to the birth countries :
http://www.mortsdanslescamps.com/index.html

At present (november 2006), Daniel Carouge is no more adding names to his
file. Eve Line Blum updated this table by adding the six official
publications of 2005 and 2006 (only six in two years whereas 40,000 to
50,000 death acts are still missing), and Carouge allowed her to publish
it on any website of her choice, so that interested people can use it.
Therefore, it has been put on the website of convoy 73,
http://www.convoi73.org in the French part, section "La loi du 15 mai
1985". This file is freely available either as a compressed file .ZIP (2,3
Mo) or a .XLS (10 Mo) file.

 

The French Shoah Mémorial (ex-CDJC)

An interesting database concerning the Jew deported from France has been
made available since January 2005 by "le Mémorial de la Shoah", new name
of CDJC : Click on /http://www.memorial-cdjc.org/,or directly on
http://www.memorialdelashoah.org/m_persons/getSearchEngineAction.do

This database contains essentially all information gathered by Beate et
Serge Klarsfeld in their book "Mémorial de la Déportation des Juifs de
France" (Paris 1978). it is important to note that in its present state,
this database online contains a great deal of errors. Many of these errors
have been corrected in the database of the Memorial's library (accessible
only on the spot). Unfortunately many of these errors subsist online and
on the Memorial Wall: spelling errors, date errors and above all absence
of the names of certain deportees (arrested under a false name). There are
also the names of some people who for various reasons were not deported.

Books

Le Mémorial de la déportation des Juifs de France (édited and published by
Beate and Serge Klarsfeld, Paris 1978)

Everybody knows this book in which Serge Klarsfeld collected copies of all
original lists drawn up by the Drancy administration before the departure
of each convoy. These lists mention the surnames and given names of the
deportees as well as their birth dates and birth places.

Serge Klarsfeld has promised to publish a new edition of this book,
correcting many mistakes and omissions, giving the addresses of the
deportees. This new edition would also mention the victimes who died in
camps in France or were shot. This new edition would also provide the
married women's maiden names.

This new edition is beginning to appear:

We learnt that the first volume of this new edition has been released at
the end of 2006. It is a thick volume 21 x 29,7 x 3,5 cm, 600 pages,
ca.1.700 kg.
Present price: 30 euros. It is published by the FFDJF, Paris, in common
with the "Beate Klarsfeld Foundation". To see the cover page, click here

This new edition will comprise 8 volumes, i.e. 80 000 names :
Volume 1 : "Families from the roundup of the Vél d'Hiv", namely the
convoys # 4, 5, 6, 13 - 16, 21 - 25.
This volume, as the following ones, is made of two parts with the same
information : first the lists in alphabetical order (members of the same
family being together) and the second part separately for each convoy.

In this new edition Serge Klarsfeld gives for each deportee : convoy
number, surname, given name, maiden name (for wives), age, birth date and
place, address (street, street number, city), internment camp.

The lists are preceded by a long explanation concerning the roundup of the
Vel d'Hiv, since parents were separated from their children, members of
the same family were dispersed and deported by different convoys and often
with different spelling of their surname. S. Klarsfeld did his best to
reunify these families in his list..
Volume 2 : lists of convoys 1, 2, 3, 7 à 12, i.e. the roundups of Summer
1942 in the "Occupied Zone".
Volume 3 : lists of convoys 17, 18, 19, 26 à 33, i.e. the roundups of
Summer 1942 in the "Free Zone".
Volume 4 : lists of convoys 34 - 45, i.e. the roundups of Autumn 1942 in
the "Occupied Zone".
Volume 5 : the 17 convoys of 1943
Volume 6 : the 15 convoys of 1944
Volume 7 : list of the people who died in Franc, in the camps and those
who were shot ; list of survivors (between 2 500 and 3 000).
Volume 8 : general alphabetical of volumes 1-7 (80 000 names)
On peut se procurer ce livre chez

This first volume is available from S. Klarsfeld and from the "Mémorial de
la Shoah".



Le Livre-Mémorial des déportés de France arrêtés par mesure de répression
et dans certains cas par mesure de persécution 1940-1945 edited by FMD
(Fondation pour la Mémoire de la Déportation)

The "Fundation for the memory of the Deportation (F.M.D.)
http://www.fmd.asso.fr/ (not to be confused with the Fundation for the
memory of the Shoah http://www.fondationshoah.org/), published in 2004
this "Memorial-book of the persons deported from France because of
repression and in some cases because of persecution."

This work is totally independent from Klarsfeld's book. It has 1500 pages.
An alphabetical index allows one to retrieve easily the name of a deportee
and the convoy number and eventually the fate of the deportee, whether he
came back or not, where and when he died.....
This book does not contain the lists of Jewish deportation contained in
Klarsfeld's book.

Nevertheless, many Jews are found in this book if they were arrested as
resistants, without the Germans knowing they were Jews.

 

Yad Vashem : the Pages of Testimony (Daf Ed in Hebrew)

Yad Vashem is an institution created by the State of Israel in 1953. Since
1955, it gathers pages of testimony in Israel and all over the world to
save from oblivion the memory of the Jews who did not survive.

The Pages of Testimony are sent to Yad Vashem by parents or friends of the
missing people. They contain biographical details on the victims. Thirty
thousand new Pages of Testimony are collected each year. About two
millions have been collected since 1955.

The whole of these Pages of Testimony can be consulted on line on Yad
Vashem's site. Several entries are available for a research: surname,
given name, birth date and birth place, place of residence during the
war.One can enter the site of Yad Vashem http://names.yadvashem.org/ and
click on the child's face, or directly on the research page.

Informations given in these Pages of Testimony are very interesting and
also, quite often, those concerning the person who send the testimony,
with his/her address.

 

Useful addresses :

Yad Vashem :
P.O.B. 3477, Jérusalem, Israël 91034
Tel. : (0 )2 675 16 11
Fax : (0) 2 643 35 11
Website : http://www1.yadvashem.org/
E-mail : ***@yad-vashem.org.il

Comité Français pour Yad Vashem
64, Avenue Marceau
75008 Paris
Tel/Fax : 01 47 20 99 57
Website : http://www.col.fr/yadvashem/comite.html
E-mail : ***@libertysurf.fr

Mémorial de la Shoah (new name of CDJC)
17, rue Geoffroy-l'Asnier
75004 Paris
Tel : 01 42 77 44 72
Fax : 01 53 01 17 44
Website: http://www.memorialdelashoah.org/
E-mail: ***@memorialdelashoah.org

Fondation pour la mémoire de la Shoah
52, boulevard Malesherbes
75008 PARIS
Tel. 01 53 42 63 10
Fax. 01 53 42 63 11
Website : http://www.fondationshoah.org
E-mail :fondation-***@wanadoo.fr


Fondation pour la mémoire de la déportation
Hôtel National des Invalides
71, rue Saint-Dominique
75007 PARIS
Tel. 01 47 05 31 88
Fax. 01 44 42 35 62
Website : http://www.fmd.asso.fr
E-mail : ***@fmd.asso.fr

 
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About the deportation of Jews from Lorraine


Our member Françoise JOB has just published a new edition of her book "La
déportation des Juifs de Lorraine, Le Camp d'Internement d'Ecrouves",
Ecrouves is a small village near Toul , which was the equivalent of Drancy
for Lorraine. More than 4000 people were interned there within three
years.
The camp was created by the Vichy government to gather opponents such as
communists, gaullists and Resistance fighters but later the Germans took
the camp in charge and used it to gather arrested Jews before they were
sent "for an unknown destination.... ".
The book is published by the "Fils and Filles des Déportés Juifs de
France" and is prefaced by Serge Klarsfeld. Details
On the front page of the book, a picture shows a group of 25 Jews interned
at Ecrouves. Only two of them have been identified up to now. The author
urgently asks anybody who can identify other members of the group to
inform her. See the picture
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People killed during the two World Wars


Two interesting websites (in French) give lists of people killed during
the two world wars or deported. One is edited by the Ministry of Defense
and deals with WW1 and the Algerian war. click here. The other one is
non-official, click here and aims at gathering data on all people killed
during all the wars in which France was involved ( WW1 and WW2, 1870-71
war, Algerian war..). Are concerned soldiers, civilians and deported
people as well.
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The Camp of NATZWILLER-STRUTHOF
(added on 09/01/.2006)

We have several times be asked informations concerning the Camp of
Natzwiller-Struthof, unique extermination camp situated in France, about
50 km from Strasbourg.

The CRDP of Reims présents a very good presentation of this camp (in French):

http://www.crdp-reims.fr/memoire/enseigner/Natzweiler_Struthof/01site.htm

On the other hand, Jewishgen has just put on line

http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Natzweiler/nat001.html

a document (in English) extracted from the book "Die Namen der Nummern"
(The names of numbers), written by a German newspaperman, Hans-Joachim
Lang, who spent several years to identify 86 victims of experiments which
were found in this camp (where thousands of deportees died) at the end of
WW2, from the number tattooed on their arm and who wrote their individual
histories. The list of these 86 victims is found on this site. They are
mainly of Greek origin but a few came from other countries, including a
Frenchman. The site of Jewishgen gives a link to the site of the book "Die
Namen der Nummern" where are given the biographies of the 86 victims (in
German) : http://www.Die-Namen-der-Nummern.de/

The text published by JewishGen contains a few mistakes, which will soon
be corrected. The remains of these victims were first buried in October
1945 in the Municipal Cemetery of Strasbourg Robertsau and transferred in
September 1951 in the Jewish Cemetery of Strasbourg-Cronenbourg. Two
plates have been officially inaugurated in November 2005, giving the names
of these 86 victims, one at Strasbourg-Cronenbourg, the other one on the
external wall of the Anatomy Institute of the University Hospital of
Strasbourg.

Moreover, the Great-Rabbi Abraham Deutsch was not present in November 2005
since he died in 1992.

 

 



 



 
RedFox
2007-06-20 23:27:00 UTC
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Although Holocaust denial takes many forms, from white supremacist
diatribes to cooler "historical" refutations, in all its forms it uses
falsehood as a means of manipulating public opinion and political
discourse, and in all its forms it has an underlying political agenda.

Where Holocaust denial appears in its crudest and most immediate forms,
the political agenda is blatantly to encourage hatred and violence against
Jews, and to bring into question the legitimacy of the existence of
Israel.

While all forms of Holocaust denial are harmful and hateful, the cruder
forms involve only superficial attempts to change the terms of political
debate and society's Weltanschauung. They are therefore not as dangerous
as the more sophisticated forms of Holocaust denial, whose agenda is to
create a fascist mythology which strips National Socialism and all other
authoritarian ideologies of their essential antisemitism, racism, and
genocidal tendencies, and which denies the centrality of Judeocide to Nazi
ideology.

This more complicated agenda involves a "raising of the tolerance level
for evil" and ultimately aims for the same result as does the cruder type
of Holocaust denial: violence against, and murder of, Jews and other
targeted groups, but it plans to achieve this more effectively and on a
larger scale, as occurred with the Holocaust itself, through the creation
of societal attitudes receptive to fascist propaganda, including through
the desensitization of society to racist violence.

Enormous harm can be caused in any society by even the partial achievement
of the ideological aims of Holocaust denial.

Any ideology, once created, achieves its own autonomy and can become
influential simply because of its existence. That men may adopt only part
of an ideology is no less dangerous. The force of ideas cannot be
underestimated. While speech on its own does not necessarily lead to
action, there can be no doubt that speech plays a central role in creating
systems of beliefs, attitudes and motivations in people.

Because of the potential harm which can be caused by the acceptance of
even part of the ideological aims of Holocaust deniers, it is essential to
show up the deniers' communications for what they are, and to prosecute
the authors through the courts to the extent the law allows. In no other
way will society receive the message that incitement to hatred and to
violence will not be tolerated in a political, racist, or any other form.
Certainly the drawing of lines between permissible types of expression and
types which should be prosecuted has costs and risks.

But the social costs of refusing to draw those lines are unacceptable.
There is, as Peter Rosenthal writes, no justification for denying members
of minority groups whatever protection the criminal law can offer from the
most virulent forms of racism.

Education is, of course, the best way to combat racism, but it is a very
slow and uncertain path, particularly in relation to adults whose
prejudices have been instilled and reinforced over decades. Serious
social problems such as the advocacy of violence against groups because of
their identity require multiple approaches by the government.

Education and legislation are complements, not alternatives, in combating
such problems. It must not be forgotten either that legislation itself
has a powerful educative effect - in this case, in giving the message
that antisemitism and racism are immoral and unacceptable and are harmful
to society as well as to the victim.

The protection given to political speech should not automatically be
granted to speech inciting violence against others, nor to racist or
antisemitic speech, whether or not such speech has political aims.

Vidal-Naquet said that any person has the right to freedom of speech so
long as he does not ask for the death of others. One might add: or their
mis-treatment. As John Stuart Mill noted, the only purpose for which
power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilised community
against his will is to prevent harm to others.

Holocaust denial intends harm, and thus should not be protected. Whatever
threat (if any) this may pose to the general freedom of political speech
is a small but necessary price to pay for the guarantee of equal dignity
and equal protection of the law to all people.


++++++++++++++++++
Topaz
2007-06-21 23:00:19 UTC
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THE ENEMIES of White people around the world have a pathological
love affair with the term 'White supremacist' whenever they report
on or describe White people who act in a collective manner, no
matter how benign, on behalf of their own group interests…
However, the same people who decry 'White supremacism' seem to have a
difficult time describing the actions of non-Whites acting on behalf
of their group interests, often violently, as supremacists of any
kind.
And never mind the fact that most so-called White supremacists
simply work to promote separate living space and political
independence from Jewish or other non-White influence.
All right then, I have a question for you about this 'White
supremacism': where is it? Where is this so-called White
supremacism? Have you seen it?
Far too many White people in America and around the world are
race-mixing and aborting themselves out of existence. Our
politicians are allowing record Third World immigration into our
White ancestral homelands. Our White corporate 'free traders' and
White globalists continue to impoverish us as they send our jobs
overseas, and our White politicians send our White soldiers to die
in a senseless war in Iraq for Israel, soldiers who will never sire
another generation of their own kind.
]
Does that sound like 'White supremacism'?
We continue to allow the media masters to produce their filth,
surpassing each other in obscenity as they abuse our people in print
and on screen. Does that sound like White supremacy?
Ubiquitous misinformation in the media and in the schools has made
too many of us ashamed of our nature and our traditions; our
accomplishments, we are told, belong to the entire world. Even most
Whites-who know they're being lied to-are still too scared to
organize for our common good, because Jewish supremacists such as
the Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center, their
allies in the media, and their lapdog politicians attack any who
try to stand up to them; even as Jews and other non-Whites are
encouraged, even paid, to organize.

How "supreme" is that, my friends?
If you recall, the recent demonstrations of Mestizo invaders across
America bore a simple message: 'We claim your land! We claim your
jobs! We want your women! We demand your future! If you don't hand
us America, then you are racist pigs!'
Where was the massive so-called White supremacist backlash to these
invaders? Where was the White resistance to this clear and present
danger to our posterity? With the exception of the street activism
of National Vanguard members and supporters and a few other stalwart
patriots, I didn't see it. Did you?

So, where were all the White people during these Mestizo
demonstrations? Well, my guess is they were figuring out how they're
going to pay their next tax bill; working longer hours for less and
less inflation-reduced take-home pay; shopping at yet another new
Wal-Mart for the only kind of goods many can afford, Chinese junk;
watching ball games; attending yet another anti-White motion
picture, and so on. Some are blind, happily embracing their lives as
the new peons in a multiracial America, while others know something
is wrong, but haven't yet figured it out. Some know exactly what is
happening, but are afraid to say anything, falsely believing they
are all alone in their beliefs.
Fear is the dominant note in this funeral march.
Kevin Strom said: "Everywhere our borders have been opened and the
new elite teaches our children that intermarriage is good and
desirable. Everywhere the new elite teaches our children that to
defend our genetic heritage is the very definition of evil. The end
result, if trends continue, will be genocide."

There is no fortress against this persistent onslaught. There are no
mighty gates on the horizon swinging open to offer us sanctuary. The
Other is in every city, every county, every town, every hamlet now.
The Opponent continues to work overtime to convince us all that
White racial consciousness is "evil," because they know that we are
the only real obstacle to their malevolent plans for a global
plantation. They are the real supremacists. Not us.

History has set a task for us. It is to dispel the fog of fear that
immobilizes the sleeping White giant of our people. It is to change
the now-dominant note of fear to one of determination. It is to turn
that funeral march into a march of triumph.
National Vanguard. Our time has come and our time is now.

I'm Frank Roman. Thank you for listening and I shall speak with you
again.



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2007-06-22 04:19:00 UTC
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THE ENEMIES of White people around the world have a pathological
love affair with the term 'White supremacist' whenever they report
on or describe White people who act in a collective manner, no
matter how benign, on behalf of their own group interests…
However, the same people who decry 'White supremacism' seem to have a
difficult time describing the actions of non-Whites acting on behalf
of their group interests, often violently, as supremacists of any
kind.
And never mind the fact that most so-called White supremacists
simply work to promote separate living space and political
independence from Jewish or other non-White influence.
You are a very sick man indeed

And a very much deceived one
Topaz
2007-06-22 23:49:40 UTC
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There was a book in ordinary bookstores called "An Empire of
Their Own". It was a pro-Jewish book but it showed that the Jews ran
Hollywood.

Here are some quotes from a magazine for Jews called "Moment".
It is subtitled "The Jewish magazine for the 90's" These quotes are
from the Aug 1996 edition after the Headline "Jews Run Hollywood - So
What?":

"It makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality of Jewish
power and prominence in popular culture. Any list of the most
influential production executives at each of the major movie studios
will produce a heavy majority of recognizably Jewish names."

"the famous Disney organization, which was founded by Walt
Disney, a gentile Midwesterner who allegedly harbored anti-Semetic
attitudes, now features Jewish personnel in nearly all its most
powerful positions."

The head of Walt Disney studios is now the Jew Michael Eisner.
On studios that were bought out by the Japanese the magazine says:

"When Mitsushita took over MCA-Universal, they did nothing to
undermine the unquestioned authority of Universal's legendary - and
all Jewish - management triad of Lew Wasserman, Sid Scheinberg, and
Tom Pollack."

Here are some quotes from the paper "Jews Control the Media
and Rule America"
It may be rather out of date but it still explains why things are the
way they are.

"American Broadcasting Companies (ABC), Columbia Broadcasting
System (CBS), and National Broadcasting Company (NBC). Each of these
three has been under the absolute control of a single man over a long
enough period of time--ranging from 32 to 55 years--for him to staff
the corporation at every level with officers of his choosing and then
to place his imprint indelibly upon it. In each case that man has been
a Jew.
"Until 1985, when ABC merged with Capital Cities
Communications, Inc...the chairman of the board of directors and chief
executive officer (CEO) of the network was Leonard Harry Goldenson, a
Jew...In an interview in the April 1, 1985 issue of Newsweek,
Goldenson boasted 'I built this company (ABC) from scratch.'"

"CBS was under the domination of William S. Paley for more than
half a century. The son of immigrant Jews from Russia..."

"There has been no move by top G-E management to change the
Jewish "profile" of NBC or to replace key Jewish personnel. To the
contrary, new Jewish executives have been added: an example is Steve
Friedman..."

"The man in charge of the television entertainment division at
CBS is Jeff Sagansky. At ABC the entertainment division is run by two
men....nearly all of the men who shape young Amercians' concept of
reality, of good and evil, of permissible and impermissible behavior
are Jews. In particular, Sagansky and Bloomberg are Jews. So is
Tartikoff. Littlefield is the only Gentile who has had a significant
role in TV entertainment programming in recent years."

"American Film magazine listed the top 10...entertainment
companies and their CEOs...Time Warner Communications (Steven J Ross,
Jew) Walt Disney Co. (Michael D. Eisner, Jew)...Of the 10 top
entertainment CEOs listed above, eight are Jews."

"The Newhouse media empire provides an example of more than a
lack of real competition among America's daily newspapers; it also
illustrates the insatiable appetite Jews have shown for all organs of
opinion... The Newhouse's own 31 daily newspapers, including several
large and important ones, such as the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the
Newark Star-Ledger, and the New Orleans Times-Picayune; the nation's
largest trade book publishing conglomerate, Random House, with all
its subsidiaries; Newhouse Broadcasting, consisting of 12 television
broadcasting stations and 87 cable-TV systems, including some of the
countries largest cable networks- the Sunday supplement Parade, with a
circulation of more than 22 million copies per week; some two dozen
major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue, Mademoiselle,
Glamour, Vanity Fair, HQ, Bride's, Gentlemen's Quarterly, Self,
Home&Garden...."

"Furthermore, even those newspapers still under Gentile ownership
and management are so thoroughly dependent upon Jewish advertising..."

"the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington
Post. These three...are the newspapers which set trends and guidelines
for nearly all others. They are the ones which decide what is news and
what isn't, at national and international levels. They originate the
news; the others merely copy it. And all three newspapers are in
Jewish hands...The Sulzberger family also owns, through the New York
Times Co. 36 other newspapers; twelve magazines, including McCall's
and Family Circle..."

"New York's other newspapers are in no better hands than the
Daily News. The New York Post is owned by billionaire Jewish
real-estate developer Peter Kalikow. The Village Voice is the personal
property of Leonard Stern, the billionaire Jewish owner of..."

"There are only three newsmagazines of any note published in the
United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report....The CEO
of Time Warner Communications is Steven J. Ross, and he is a Jew.
"Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington
Post Co., under the Jewess Katherine Meyer Graham..."
"U.S. News & World Report... owned and published by Jewish real
estate developer Mortimer B. Zuckerman..."

" The three largest book publishers...Random House... Simon &
Schuster , and Time Inc. Book Co....All three are owned or controlled
by Jews...The CEO of Simon & Schuster if Richard Snyder, and the
president is Jeremy Kaplan; both are Jews too."

"Western Publishing...ranks first among publishers of children's
books, with more than 50 per cent of the market. Its chairman and CEO
is Richard Bernstein, a Jew."

"Jewish spokesmen customarily will use evasive tactics. "Ted
Turner isn't a Jew!" they will announce..."

"We are doing more than merely giving them a decisive influence
on our political system and virtual control of our government; we also
are giving them control of the minds and souls of our children..."



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Auschwitz: Myths and facts
by Mark Weber
Nearly everyone has heard of Auschwitz, the German wartime
concentration camp where many prisoners-most of them Jewish-were
reportedly exterminated, especially in gas chambers. Auschwitz is
widely regarded as the most terrible Nazi extermination center. The
camp's horrific reputation cannot, however, be reconciled with the
facts.
There are miles of official German documents - miles of personal
testimony. Forget it. The bogus analysis you refer to has been refuted
scientifically many many times

The Holocaust was a reality - live with it. Denial is pointless and in
central Europe it is rightly classifed as a crime

Comprehensive Histories of the Holocaust 
 
Bauer, Yehuda. A History of the Holocaust. New York: Franklin Watts, 1982. 
Bauer, Yehuda, Rethinking the Holocaust.  New Haven, Conn.: Yale
University Press, 2000
Bergen, Doris L. War and Genocide: A Concise History of the Holocaust. 
Lanham, Md.: Rowman and Littlefield, 2003.
Berenbaum, Michael, ed. The Holocaust and History: The Known, the Unknown,
the Disputed, and the Reexamined. Bloomington, IN: Indiana University
Press, 1998. 
Dawidowicz, Lucy. The War Against the Jews, 1933--1945. New York: Holt,
Rinehart and Winston, 1975. 
Dwork, Deborah and Robert Jan van Pelt. Holocaust: A history.  New York:
W.W. Norton, 2002.
Gilbert, Martin. The Holocaust: A History of the Jews in Europe during the
Second World War. New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1985. 
Gutman, Israel, editor in chief. The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust. New
York: Macmillan, 1990. 
Gutman, Israel, and Chaim Shatzker. The Holocaust and Its Significance.
Jerusalem: The Zalman Shazar Center, 1984. 
Hilberg, Raul. The Destruction of the European Jews. Chicago: Quadrangle
Books, 1961 (definitive edition, New York: Holmes and Meier, 1985).
Hellig, Jocelyn. The Holocaust and Antisemitism: A Short History.  Oxford:
Oneworld, 2003.
Knopp, Guido, Hitler's Holocaust. Stroud, Gloucestershire: Sutton, 2001.
Laqueur, Walter ed., The Holocaust Encyclopedia.  New Haven, Conn.: Yale
University Press, 2001
MacKale, Donald M.  Hitler's Shadow War: The Holocaust and World War II. 
New York: Cooper Square Press, 2002.
Marrus, Michael. The Holocaust In History. Hanover, NH: University Press
of New England, 1987.
Milgram, Avrham and Robert Rozett eds., The Holocaust, Frequently Asked
Questions, Jerusalem: Yad Vashem and the Knesset, 2005 
Niewyk, Donald L., The Columbia Guide to the Holocaust.  New York:
Columbia University Press, 2000
Poliakov, Leon. Harvest of Hate. London: Best Seller Library, 1960 (French
edition, copyright 1954). 
Reitlinger, Gerald. The Final Solution. New York: Beechurst Press, 1953
(second revised and augmented edition, London: Vallentine-Mitchell,
1968). 
Rozett, Robert  and Shmuel Spector eds., Encyclopedia of the Holocaust. 
New York: Facts on File, 2000
Spector, Shmuel ed., The Encyclopedia of Jewish life before and during the
Holocaust. New York: New York University Press, 2001
Wistrich, Robert S. Hitler and the Holocaust, New York: The Modern Library, 2001
Yahil, Leni. The Holocaust: The Fate of European Jewry. New York: Oxford
Press, 1990. 

Nazism and Fascism

Allen, William Sheridan. The Nazi Seizure of Power: The Experience of a
Single German Town, 1930--1935. Chicago: Quadrangle, 1965 (revised
edition, New York: Franklin Watts, 1984). 
Bracher, Karl Dietrich. The German Dictatorship: The Origins, Structure
and Effects of National Socialism. New York: Praeger, 1970.
Evans, Richard J.,  The Coming of the Third Reich ,  New York,  Penguin, 2004
Evans, Richard, The Third Reich in Power, New York: Penguin, 2005
Gellately, Robert, Backing Hitler, Consent and Coercion in Nazi Germany. 
New York: Oxford University Press, 2001
Mosse, George Lachmann. The Fascist Revolution: Toward a General Theory of
Fascism. New York: H. Fertig, 1999.
Neumann, Franz. Behemoth: The Structure and Practice of National
Socialism. New York: Harper, 1966 (originally published in 1944). 
Paxton, Robert O,. The anatomy of fascism ,New York,  Knopf, 2004.
Sternhell, Zeev. The Birth of Fascist Ideology: From Cultural Rebellion to
Political Revolution. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1994.
Weiss, John. Ideology of Death: Why the Holocaust Happened in Germany.
Chicago: Ivan R. Dee, 1996. 
Paxton, Robert O,. The anatomy of fascism ,New York,  Knopf, 2004.
Evans, Richard J.,  The Coming of the Third Reich ,  New York,  Penguin, 2004

  Hitler 

Bullock, Allan. Hitler: A Study in Tyranny. London: Odhams, 1952. 
Fest, Joachim. Hitler. London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1974. 
Jaeckel, Eberhard. Hitler in History. Hanover, NH: University Press of New
England, 1984. 
---. Hitler's Weltanschauung: A Blueprint for Power. Middletown, CT:
Wesleyan University Press, 1972. 
Kershaw, Ian. Hitler. London: Longman, 1991.
---. Hitler, 1889-1936, Hubris. London: Allen Lane, 1998. 
---Hitler, 1936-45, Nemesis.  New York: W.W. Norton, 2000
---. The Nazi Dictatorship. London: Edward Arnold, 1985. 
Kershaw, Ian Hitler, 1936-45, Nemesis.  New York: W.W. Norton, 2000
Lukacs, John. The Hitler of History. New York: Knopf, 1997. 
Rosenbaum, Ron. Explaining Hitler: The Search for the Origin of His Evil.
London: Macmillan, 1998.

  Development of the "Final Solution" 
 
Aly, Goetz and Susanne Heim.  Architects of Annihilation: Auschwitz and
the Logic of  Destruction.  London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 2002.
Aly, Goetz. 'Final Solution': Nazi Population Policy and the Murder of the
European Jews. London: Arnold, 1999.
Bankier, David and Israel Gutman (eds.), Nazi Europe and the Final
Solution.  Jerusalem: Yad Vashem, 2003.
Breitman, Richard. The Architect of Genocide: Himmler and the Final
Solution. London: The Bodely Head, 1991. 
Browning, Christopher. Fateful Months: Essays on the Emergence of the
Final Solution. New York: Holmes and Meier, 1985. 
---. Nazi Policy, Jewish Workers, German Killers. Cambridge: Cambridge
University Press, 2000
Rhodes, Richard. Masters of Death: The SS-Einsatzgruppen and the Invention
of the Holocaust.  New York:  Knopf,  2002.
 ---The origins of the Final Solution,   the evolution of Nazi  Jewish
policy, September 1939 - March 1942 ,  London,   Heinemann, 2004.
---. The Path to Genocide: Essays on Launching the Final Solution. New
York: Cambridge University Press, 1992. 
Cesarani, David, ed. The Final Solution: Origins and Implementation.
London: Routledge, 1994. 
Friedlander, Henry. The Origins of Nazi Genocide: From Euthanasia to the
Final Solution. Chapel Hill, NC: The University of North Carolina Press,
1995. 
Friedlaender, Saul. Nazi Germany and the Jews. New York: Harper Collins, 1997. 
Goldhagen, Daniel Jonah. Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans
and the Holocaust. New York: Knopf, 1996. 
Herbert, Ulrich (ed.). National Socialist Extermination Policies,
Contermporary German Perspectives and Controversies New York: Berghahn,
2000.
Rhodes, Richard. Masters of Death: The SS-Einsatzgruppen and the Invention
of the Holocaust.  New York:  Knopf,  2002.
Schleunes, Karl. The Twisted Road To Auschwitz. London: Deutsch, 1972. 
Browning, Christopher Robert,  The origins of the Final Solution,   the
evolution of Nazi  Jewish policy, September 1939 - March 1942 ,  London,  
Heinemann, 2004.

  The Murderers 
 
Arendt, Hannah. Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil.
New York: The Viking Press, 1963. 
Benz, Wolfgang. The Holocaust: A German Historian Examines the Genocide.
New York: Columbia University Press, 1999.
Browning, Christopher. Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the
Final Solution in Poland. New York: HarperCollins, 1992. 
Cesarani, David,  Eichmann:  his life and crimes ,  London,  Heinemann, 2004
Hoehne, Heinz. The Order of the Death's Head: The Story of Hitler's SS.
London: Secker and Warburg, 1969. 
Johnson, Eric A., Nazi Terror, The Gestapo, Jews, and Ordinary Germans. 
New York: Basic Books,1999
Klee, Ernst, Willi Dressen, and Volker Riess. Those Were the Days: The
Holocaust as Seen by the Perpetrators and Bystanders. London: Hamish
Hamilton, 1991. 
Krausnik, Helmut, and Martin Broszat, et al. The Anatomy of the SS State.
London: Collins, 1968. 
Lifton, Robert. The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of
Genocide. New York: Basic Books, 1986. 
Lozowick, Yaacov. Hitler's Bureaucrats: The Nazi SecurityPpolice and the
Banality       of Evil.  London: Continuum, 2002.
Nicosia, Francis R and Jonathan Huener (eds.), Medicine and Medical Ethics
in Nazi Germany: Origins, Practices,  Legacies.  New York: Berghahn, 2002.
Sereny, Gitta. Into That Darkness: From Mercy Killing to Mass Murder. New
York: McGraw-Hill, 1974. 
Sereny, Gitta, and Albert Speer. His Battle With Truth. New York:
Macmillan, 1995. 
Cesarani, David,  Eichmann:  his life and crimes ,  London,  Heinemann, 2004
Westermann, Edward, B., Hitler¹s Police Battalions, Enforcing Racial War
in the East, Lawrence Kan.: University Press of Kansas, 2005

  Nazi Camps 

Arad, Yitzhak. Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka: The Operation Reinhard
Extermination Camps. Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press, 1987. 
Des Pres, Terrence. The Survivor: An Anatomy of Life in the Death Camps.
New York: Oxford University Press, 1976. 
Dwork, Deborah. Auschwitz: 1270 to the Present. New York: W.W. Norton, 1996. 
Feig, Konnilyn. Hitler's Death Camps: The Sanity of Madness. New York:
Holmes and Meier, 1981. 
Frankl, Viktor. From Death Camp to Existentialism: A Psychiatrist's Path
to a New Therapy. Boston: Beacon Press, 1959 (revised and reissued as
Man's Search For Meaning. New York: Washington Square Press, 1968). 
Gutman, Israel, and Michael Berenbaum, eds. Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death
Camp. Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press, 1994. 
Gutman, Israel, and Avital Saf, eds. The Nazi Concentration Camps:
Structure and Aim-The Image of the Prisoner-The Jews in the Camps.
Jerusalem: Yad Vashem, 1984. 
Karay, Felicja. Women in the Forced-Labor Camps. New Haven, CT:
Yale University Press, 1998.
Kogon, Eugene. The Theory and Practice of Hell: The German Concentration
Camps and the System Behind Them. London: Secker and Warburg, 1950. 
Langbein, Hermann,  People in Auschwitz ,  Chapel Hill,  University of
North  Carolina Press, 2004 
Rees, Laurence  Auschwitz,   a new history ,  New York,  Public Affairs, 2005
Sofsky, Wolfgang. The Order of Terror: The Concentration Camp. Princeton,
NJ: Princeton University Press, 1997. 
Rees, Laurence  Auschwitz,   a new history ,  New York,  Public Affairs, 2005.
Langbein, Hermann,  People in Auschwitz ,  Chapel Hill,  University of
North  Carolina Press, 2004.
 
  Slave Labor and Jewish Assets
 
Allen, Michael Thad. The Business of Genocide: The SS, Slave Labor, and
the Concentration Camps.  Chapel Hill, N.C.: University of North Carolina
Press, 2002.
Eizenstat, Stuart E.   Imperfect Justice: Looted Assets, Slave Labor, and
the      Unfinished Business of World War II.  New York: Public Affairs, 
2003
Zweig, Ronald W .The Gold Train: The Destruction of the Jews and the
Second World War's Most Terrible Robbery.  London: Allen Lane, 2002.

  The Ghettos 

Trunk, Isaiah. Judenrat: The Jewish Councils in Eastern Europe under Nazi
Occupation. New York: Macmillan, 1972. 

Churches and the Holocaust 

Cornwell, John. Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII. New York:
Viking, 1999.
Friedlaender, Saul. Pius XII and the Third Reich: A Documentation. New
York: Knopf, 1966. 
Lapide, Pinachas, The Last Three Popes and the Jews. London: Souvenir
Press, 1967
Phayer, Michael, The Catholic Church and the Holocaust, 1930-1965.
Bloomington, Ind.: Indiana University Press, 2000
Morley, John. Vatican Diplomacy and the Jews during the Holocaust,
1939--1943. New York: Ktav, 1980. 
Rittner, Carol et al. eds. The Holocaust and the Christian World,
Reflections on the Past, Challenges for the Future, London: Kupard, 2000
Phayer, Michael, The Catholic Church and the Holocaust, 1930-1965.
Bloomington, Ind.: Indiana University Press, 2000
Rittner, Carol et al. eds. The Holocaust and the Christian World,
Reflections on the Past, Challenges for the Future, London: Kupard, 2000
Zuccotti, Susan, Under His Very Windows: The Vatican and the Holocaust in
Italy. New Haven, Conn: Yale University Press, 2000


  Righteous Among the Nations 
 
Fogelman, Eva. Conscience and Courage: Rescuers of Jews during the
Holocaust. New York: Anchor Books, 1994. 
Gilbert, Martin.  The Righteous: The Unsung Heroes of the Holocaust. 
London:      Doubleday, 2002
Oliner, Samuel. The Altruistic Personality: Rescuers of Jews in Nazi
Europe. New York: Free Press, 1988. 
Paldiel, Mordecai. The Path of the Righteous: Gentile Rescuers of Jews
during the Holocaust. Hoboken, NJ: Ktav, 1993. 
Tec, Nechama. When Light Pierced the Darkness: Christian Rescue of Jews in
Nazi-Occupied Poland. New York: Oxford University Press, 1986. 
Tschuy, Theo, Dangerous Diplomacy, The Story of Carl Lutz, Rescuer of
62,000 Hungarian Jews.  Grand Rapids, Mich.: W. B. Eerdmans, 2000

  Selected Diaries and Memoirs 

The Diary of Eva Heyman. Jerusalem: Yad Vashem, 1974. 
Appelfeld, Aharon, The Story of a Life, New York: Schocken, 2004
Fenelon, Fania. The Musicians of Auschwitz. London: M. Joseph, 1977.
Friedlaender, Saul. When Memory Comes. New York: Farrar, Straus and
Giroux, 1979. 
Geva, Thomas. Youth in Chains. Jerusalem: R Mass, 1958. 
Hart, Kitty. I Am Alive. London: Abelard-Schuman, 1961. 
Hillsum, Etty. Etty: A Diary 1941--1943. London: J. Cape, 1983. 
Levi, Primo. Survival in Auschwitz: The Nazi Assault on Humanity. New
York: Collier Books, 1971. 
Mechanicus, Philip. Waiting for Death: A Diary. London: Calder and Boyers,
1968. 
Mueller, Filip. Auschwitz Inferno: The Testimony of a Sonderkommando.
London: Routledge and Kegan Paul, 1979. 
Notes from the Warsaw Ghetto: The Journal of Emmanuel Ringelblum. New
York: McGraw-Hill, 1958. 
Nyiszli, Miklos. Auschwitz: A Doctor's Eyewitness Account. London:
Hamilton, 1964. 
Rousset, David. The Other Kingdom. New York: Reynal and Hitchcock, 1947. 
Scroll of Agony: The Warsaw Diary of Chaim Kaplan. New York: Macmillan, 1965.
Surviving the Holocaust: The Kovno Diary, Avraham Tory. Cambridge,
MA: Harvard University Press, 1990.
The Terezin Diary of Gonda Redlich. Lexington, KY: University Press of
Kentucky, 1992. 
The Warsaw Diary of Adam Czerniakow. New York: Stein and Day, 1979. 
Wiesel, Elie. Night. New York: Hill and Wang, 1960. 
Zuckerman, Yitzhak. A Surplus of Memory: Chronicle of the Warsaw Ghetto
Uprising. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1993. 

The Holocaust in Literature and the Arts 

Amishai-Maisels, Ziva. Depiction and Interpretation: The Influence of the
Holocaust on the Visual Arts. Oxford: Pergamon Press, 1993.
Avisar, Ilan, Screening the Holocaust, Cinema's Images of the
Unimaginable, Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1988
Baron, Lawrence, Projecting the Holocaust into the Present, the Changing
Focus of Contemporary Holocaust Cinema, Lanham, Md.: Rowan and
Littlefield, 2005
Doneson, Judith E., The Holocaust in American Film, Syracuse, N.Y.:
Syracuse University Press, 2002.
Ezrachi, Sidra Dekoven. By Words Alone: The Holocaust in Literature.
Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1980. 
Flam, Gila. Singing For Survival: Songs of the Lodz Ghetto. Urbana, IL:
University of Illinois Press, 1992.
Gilbert, Shirli, Music in the Holocaust, Confronting Life in Nazi Ghettos
and Camps, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 2005
Haggith, Toby and Joanna Newman eds., Holocaust and the Moving Iimage,
Representations in Film and Television since 1933, London: Wallflower
Press, 2006
Karas, Joza. Music in Terezin 1941--1945. New York: Beaufort Books, 1985. 
Langer, Lawrence. Admitting the Holocaust: Collective Essays. New York:
Oxford University Press, 1995. 
---. The Holocaust and the Literary Imagination. New Haven, CT: Yale
University Press, 1975. 
---. Holocaust Testimonies: The Ruins of Memory. New Haven, CT: Yale
University Press, 1991. 
---. Preempting the Holocaust. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press, 1998.
---. Versions of Survival: The Holocaust and the Human Spirit. Albany:
State University of New York Press, 1982. 
Rosenfeld, Alvin. A Double Dying: Reflections on Holocaust Literature.
Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press, 1980. 
Roskies, David. Against the Apocalypse: Responses to Catastrophe in Modern
Jewish Culture. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1984. 
Steiner, George. Language and Silence: Essays, 1958--1966. London: Faber
and Faber, 1967. 
---. The Portage to San Cristobal of AH. New York: Simon and Schuster, 1981. 
Young, James. Writing and Re-Writing the Holocaust: Narrative and the
Consequences of Interpretation. Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press,
1990. 

  Collective Memory 

Friedlaender, Saul. Memory, History and the Extermination of the Jews of
Europe. Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press, 1993. 
Katz, Steven. The Holocaust in Historical Context, Vol. 1. New York:
Oxford University Press, 1994. 
Novick, Peter. The Holocaust in American Life. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1999.
Young, James. The Texture of Memory: Holocaust Memorials and Their
Meaning. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press, 1993. 

  Philosophy and Theology 

Berkovits, Eliezer. Faith After the Holocaust. New York: Ktav, 1973. 
---. With God in Hell: Judaism in the Ghettos and the Death Camps. New
York: Sanhedrin Press, 1979. 
Braiterman, Zachary. (God) after Auschwitz: Tradition and Change in
Post-Holocaust Jewish Thought. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press,
1998.
Cohen, Arthur A. The Tremendum: A Theological Interpretation of the
Holocaust. New York: Crossroad, 1981. 
Fackenheim, Emil. God's Presence in History: Jewish Affirmations and
Philosophical Reflections. New York: New York University Press, 1970.
Katz, Steven  T. ed., The Impact of the Holocaust on Jewish Theology, New
York: New York University Press, 2005 
---. The Jewish Return to History: Reflections in the Age of Auschwitz and
the New Jerusalem. New York: Schocken Books, 1978. 
---. The Jewish Thought of Emil Fackenheim: A Reader. Detroit: Wayne State
University Press, 1987. 
---. To Mend the World: Foundations of Post-Holocaust Jewish Thought.
Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press, 1994. 
Katz, Steven. Post-Holocaust Dialogues: Critical Studies in Modern Jewish
Thought. New York: New York University Press, 1985. 
Rubenstein, Richard. After Auschwitz: Radical Theology and Contemporary
Judaism. New York: Bobbs-Merrill, 1966. 
Schweid, Eliezer. Wrestling Until Day-Break: Searching for Meaning in the
Thinking of the Holocaust. Lanham, MD: University Press of America, 1994. 

Soloveitchik, Joseph B., Fate and Destiny, From Holocaust to the State of
Israel.  New York: Ktav, 2000

  Holocaust Denial 
Evans, Richard J. Lying About Hitler: History, Holocaust and the David
Irving Trial. New York: Basic Books, 2001
Lipstadt, Deborah. Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and
Memory. New York: Plume Books, 1994. 
Vidal-Naquet, Pierre. Assassins of Memory: Essays on the Denial of the
Holocaust. New York: Columbia University Press, 1992. 

  War Crimes Trials and Criminals 

Finkielkraut, Alain. Remembering in Vain: The Klaus Barbie Trial and
Crimes Against Humanity. New York: Columbia University Press, 1992. 
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Phlip
2007-06-15 11:48:45 UTC
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Post by Topaz
Nearly everyone has heard of Auschwitz, the German wartime
concentration camp where many prisoners-most of them Jewish-were
reportedly exterminated, especially in gas chambers. Auschwitz is
widely regarded as the most terrible Nazi extermination center. The
camp's horrific reputation cannot, however, be reconciled with the
facts.
There are miles of official German documents - miles of personal
testimony. Forget it. The bogus analysis you refer to has been refuted
scientifically many many times
That analysis has roots in Nazi lawyers preparing defenses for their clients
at the Nuremburg Trials. Those lawyers were only following orders!
--
Phlip
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Topaz
2007-06-16 00:10:45 UTC
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Newsweek magazine May 15, 1989 says on page 64:
"the way the Nazis did things: the secrecy, the unwritten orders, the
destruction of records and the innocent-sounding code names for the
extermination of the Jews. Perhaps it was inevitable that historians
would quarrel over just what happened"
The real reason there are no records of an extermination plan is
because there was no extermination plan. The Germans planned to deport
the Jews out of Germany. The records show that they planned to move
them to Madagascar.

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http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
RedFox
2007-06-17 02:31:05 UTC
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"the way the Nazis did things: the secrecy, the unwritten orders, the
destruction of records and the innocent-sounding code names for the
extermination of the Jews. Perhaps it was inevitable that historians
would quarrel over just what happened"
The real reason there are no records of an extermination plan is
because there was no extermination plan. The Germans planned to deport
the Jews out of Germany. The records show that they planned to move
them to Madagascar.
Arrant nonsense there are MILES of official contemporary German
documentation and as the Eastern European archives are opened we find much
much more.

In your post you pull an old and stupid linguistic trick - as part of a
sentence you say:

"The real reason there are no records of an extermination plan"

There are MOUNTAINS of records

And they are still being indexed and collected in electronic form that the
records of crimes may never be eradicated
Topaz
2007-06-17 16:16:58 UTC
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There are MOUNTAINS of records
Name one. Revisionists have seen your lies.

"The holohucksters love all those gruesome pictures of unidentified
corpses. They claim every corpse found after a brutal five-year war
is
the body of a Jewish victim murdered by the evil Nazzies. About 60
million people died in the war, but every photograph of dead bodies is
claimed to depict bodies of Jews.

Take, for example, those pictures of the bodies being bulldozed into a
mass grave at Bergen-Belsen. The records show that only about 7,000
inmates died the entire time the Germans administered the camp. But
almost 30,000 people died at Bergen-Belsen after the British took
over.
The pictures of the aftermath at Bergen-Belsen depict victims of
British and Allied neglect, not victims of German war crimes. The
technique is typical of holocaust hokum. Photographic evidence of any
holocaust just doesn't exist. How could such evidence exist? The
holocaust is lie."

Morghus

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RedFox
2007-06-20 23:17:10 UTC
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Post by Topaz
Post by RedFox
There are MOUNTAINS of records
Name one. Revisionists have seen your lies.
"The holohucksters love all those gruesome pictures of unidentified
corpses. They claim every corpse found after a brutal five-year war
is
the body of a Jewish victim murdered by the evil Nazzies. About 60
million people died in the war, but every photograph of dead bodies is
claimed to depict bodies of Jews.
Take, for example, those pictures of the bodies being bulldozed into a
mass grave at Bergen-Belsen. The records show that only about 7,000
inmates died the entire time the Germans administered the camp. But
almost 30,000 people died at Bergen-Belsen after the British took
over.
The pictures of the aftermath at Bergen-Belsen depict victims of
British and Allied neglect, not victims of German war crimes. The
technique is typical of holocaust hokum. Photographic evidence of any
holocaust just doesn't exist. How could such evidence exist? The
holocaust is lie."
Morghus
++++++++++++++

From Hitler and Stalin Parallel Lives by Alan Bullock - Vice Chancellor
of the University of Oxford
Published 1991/1993 and highly recommended



"The deportation of Jews from the Old Reich and Bohemia-Moravia to the
east for resettlement had begun in the autumn of 1941. The Wansee
Conference in January 1942 accepted that priority must now be given to the
'cleansing' of the Polish Government-General. Goebbels wrote in h diaty on
27 March 1942:

"Starting with Lublin, the deportation of the Jews from the
Government-General to the East has been set in train. It is a pretty
barbarous business - one would not wish to go into details - and there
are not many Jews left. I should think one could reckon that about 60% of
them have been liquidated, and about 40% taken for forced labour. The
former Gauleiter of Vienna (Globocnik, now in the SS) is carrying it out
with a good deal of circumspection . . . One simply cannot be sentimental
about these things . . . The Fuhrer is the moving spirit of this radical
solution both in word and deed."

Himmler demanded that Operation Reinhard, the cleansing of the
Government-General to which Goebbels referred, should be completed by the
end of 1942. Reinhard Heydrich, after whom it was named, had not lived to
see the plans drawn up at his Wannsee Conference put into effect.

Appointed Protector of Bohemia-Moravia, he had been killed by two
parachutists, a Czech and a Slovak, dropped by a British plane. In
reprisal more than~ 1500 Czechs were shot out of hand, 3000 Jews were sent
to be l killed in Poland and the village of Lidice, selected at random was
burned to the ground after the whole of its male population had been shot
and all its women deported to concentration camps.

Himmler required the members of each SS team selected for 'special duties'
in the Polish Government-General to swear personally an oath silence,
telling them: 'I have to expect of you superhuman acts of inhumanity. But
it is the Fuhrer's will.'

The first part of the operation consisted in concentrating all Jews in
ghettos. In Warsaw, 150,000 additional Jews had been crowded into an area
already occupied by 280,000, and a wall built round it to isolate them
from the rest of the world. Other ghettos were situated in Lodz and around
Lublin. The second part consisted in deporting their inhabitants to the
extermination camps as these became available under the plan for the Final
Solution. When the deportation (always disguised as resettlement) had
reduced the numbers in the Warsaw ghetto to 70,000, those who remained
banded together to resist.

Two thousand Waffen SS troops, equipped with tanks, flame-throwers and
dynamite were sent in to burn down and blow up the ghetto. To the
astonishment of General Stroop, their commanding officer (who later had a
special photograph album prepared to celebrate his 'victory'), the Jews,
women as well as men, fought with such determination that it took four
weeks (April-May 1943) for the much better-armed Grmans, advancing block
by block, to wipe them out. Of the 56,000 finally rounded up, 7000 were
shot, 22,000 were sent to death camps, the remainder to labour camps.

In the course of 1942 all the main extermination camps had come into
operation, all situated in occupied Poland. The estimated number of Jews
put to death in the five most important besides Auschwitz is: Chelmno -
152,000 ; Belzec- 600,000 ; Treblinka - 700,000-800,000 ; Sobibor
250,000; Maidanek - 200,000.

With more than a million killed in Auschwitz and Birkenau, the total is
around three million. Another 2-3 million Jews were killed in Russia,
elsewhere in Poland and in other European countries. At the height of its
operations several trains each day would arrive at Auschwitz and the
average 'output' of its four gas-chambers and ovens rose to 20,000 bodies
a day. This level of 'productivity' could be maintained only by the
careful timing appropriate to an industrial operation.

That this was the SS view is supported by the equal care they took in
costing their operations. Pohl's WVHA, which was responsible for
organizing the labour of those who were assigned to work themselves to
death rather than to the gas-chambers, made an estimate of their operating
costs:

"The hiring of concentration-camp inmates to industrial enterprises yields
an average return of 6 to 8 RM, from which 70 pfennig must be deducted for
food and clothing Assuming an inmate's life expectancy to be 9 months, we
must multiply this sum by 270. The total is 1,431 RM. This profit can be
increased by rational utilisation of the corpse, i.e. by means of gold
teeth fillings, hair, clothing, valuables etc, but on the other hand every
corpse represents a loss of 2 RM, which is the cost of cremation."

Those who were condemned to death immediately were allowed ten minutes to
undress and walk into the gas-chambers. The women were allowed fifteen
minutes because they had to have their heads shaved The hair was then sold
for the manufacture of mattresses. It is this 'routinization' of
extermination (the precise timetabling of the trains is another example)
which adds a unique touch of horror to the already sickening record of
cruelty and dehumanization which became 'normal' behaviour throughout the
camps.

Of the total of eighteen million vicžims of Nazi brutality in the whole of
Europe (including Russia), eleven million met their deaths in occupied
territories which had belonged to the former Polish Republic.

Others besides Jews included in the total of eleven million were non
Jewish Poles, Russian prisoners of war and gypsies, the last named whose
extermination the SS pursued with almost the same determination as that of
the Jews.

It is important to place these figures on record. But because they have
the effect of numbing the imagination, which cannot conceive of human
suffering on such a scale, it is equally important to underline that every
single figure in these millions represents acts of cruelty, terror and
degradation inflicted on an individual human being like ourselves a woman,
a child or even a baby."

FOOTNOTE

Estimates of the number of Jewish men, women and children who were put to
death in 1939-45, divided according to nationality, not place of death.

Poland (1939 boundaries) 2,900,000
USSR (boundaries prior to 1939) 1,250,000
Hungary 300,000
Rumania 250,000
Czechoslovakia 245,000
Baltic States 200,000
Germany (1938 boundaries) 160,000
Netherlands 104,000
France 64,000
Austria 58,000
Greece 58,000
Yugoslavia 54,000
Italy ~ 8,000
Other European countries 11,000

Total c. 5,662,000

€ . According to the Nazi estimate given at the Wannsee conference in
January 1942 the total Jewish population in Europe including Russia and
the Ukraine was circa 11 million.

(Alan Bullock)
Topaz
2007-06-21 23:01:26 UTC
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Goebbels wrote about in his diary on March 7, 1942:

"There were still eleven million Jews in Europe…For the time being
they are to be concentrated in the east [until] later; possibly an
island like Madagascar can be assigned to them after the
war…Undoubtedly there will be a multitude of personal tragedies, But
this is unavoidable. The situation now is ripe for a final settlement
of the Jewish question.…"

On March 27, 1942, Goebbels wrote:
"Beginning with Lublin, the Jews are now being deported eastward from
the General Government [occupied Poland]. The procedure is pretty
barbaric and one that beggars description, and there's not much left
of the Jews. Broadly speaking one can probably say that 60 percent of
them will have to be liquidated, while only 40 percent can be put to
work…
But Reporting to Goebbels on November 11, 1942, his legal expert, Dr
Hans Schmidt-Leonhardt, whom he had sent to inspect conditions in Hans
Frank's Polish dominions, noted that the Warsaw police had deemed it
too dangerous to visit the ghetto there, in Lublin the ghetto had
already been cleared away, and there were now bloody disturbances. "
So the meaning of the "60 percent of them will have to be
liquidated" is because most of them were not going to go peacefully,
without a fight.


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