Discussion:
If Obama is elected gas will go to 5 bucks a gallon
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Simpson
2008-01-29 01:01:54 UTC
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No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
spammer
2008-01-29 01:08:07 UTC
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Another stupid prediction from the resident internet idiot.
Charles Aulds
2008-01-29 01:20:36 UTC
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Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
Yes, we should all be so grateful they aren't passing the costs on to
the American consumer, right?

Charles
MasterChief
2008-01-29 01:30:37 UTC
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Easy solution ,drill the North sea and Alaska`s deposits and the Gulf Of
Mexico (the chicom are about to do it),and stop buying from the towel
heads.So simple a solution is beyond the capability of today`s politicians
Post by Charles Aulds
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
Yes, we should all be so grateful they aren't passing the costs on to
the American consumer, right?
Charles
Bob Eld
2008-01-29 02:24:31 UTC
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Post by MasterChief
Easy solution ,drill the North sea and Alaska`s deposits and the Gulf Of
Mexico (the chicom are about to do it),and stop buying from the towel
heads.So simple a solution is beyond the capability of today`s politicians
Post by Charles Aulds
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
Yes, we should all be so grateful they aren't passing the costs on to
the American consumer, right?
Charles
Are you kidding? Except for Anwar those fields are heavily exploited and
have been for years. They are all in decline because we're running out. The
peak year for oil discovery was 1965! It's been down hill ever since and the
worst is yet to come.

The only thing that can keep gas from going to $5 and beyond is alternatives
to gas. There's no way in hell that petroleum based fuels will do it from
now on.

Alternatives are our only hope, we can't drill our way out of this one.
Sanders Kaufman
2008-01-29 06:48:33 UTC
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Post by MasterChief
Easy solution ,drill the North sea and Alaska`s deposits and the Gulf Of
Mexico (the chicom are about to do it),and stop buying from the towel
heads.So simple a solution is beyond the capability of today`s politicians
Gas isn't expensive at the source - the mideast.
It gets expensive right here at home - at the refineries.
The American energy companies promised to use the deregulated economic
environment and the price-hikes to build and update refineries, but instead
used the money to pay big salaries.

There's no reason to believe they would behave any better if the oil came
from Alaska.
If we want them to behave - we're going to have to legislate and regulate
them into submission.

When the federal prisons are full of energy traitors, the ones who replace
them will have to reconsider their predatory practices... lest they go to
prison as well.
Steven L.
2008-01-29 22:43:49 UTC
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Post by Sanders Kaufman
Post by MasterChief
Easy solution ,drill the North sea and Alaska`s deposits and the Gulf Of
Mexico (the chicom are about to do it),and stop buying from the towel
heads.So simple a solution is beyond the capability of today`s politicians
Gas isn't expensive at the source - the mideast.
For your information, the price at the mideast has quintupled in the
last 30 years. Back in the 1970s, oil was $20 a barrel. Now it's $100
a barrel.
Post by Sanders Kaufman
It gets expensive right here at home - at the refineries.
The American energy companies promised to use the deregulated economic
environment and the price-hikes to build and update refineries, but instead
used the money to pay big salaries.
There's no reason to believe they would behave any better if the oil came
from Alaska.
If we want them to behave - we're going to have to legislate and regulate
them into submission.
We tried price controls in the 1970s. The result was gas lines around
the block.

Do you remember those years? Were you an adult driver back then, as I
was, when you couldn't even get 2 gallons of gasoline at a gas station?

Or were you just an unfertilized egg cell floating inside one of your
mother's ovaries?
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wrabenator
2008-01-29 23:41:10 UTC
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Post by Steven L.
Post by Sanders Kaufman
Post by MasterChief
Easy solution ,drill the North sea and Alaska`s deposits and the Gulf Of
Mexico (the chicom are about to do it),and stop buying from the towel
heads.So simple a solution is beyond the capability of today`s politicians
Gas isn't expensive at the source - the mideast.
For your information, the price at the mideast has quintupled in the
last 30 years.  Back in the 1970s, oil was $20 a barrel.  Now it's $100
a barrel.
Post by Sanders Kaufman
It gets expensive right here at home - at the refineries.
The American energy companies promised to use the deregulated economic
environment and the price-hikes to build and update refineries, but instead
used the money to pay big salaries.
There's no reason to believe they would behave any better if the oil came
from Alaska.
If we want them to behave - we're going to have to legislate and regulate
them into submission.
We tried price controls in the 1970s.  The result was gas lines around
the block.
Do you remember those years?  Were you an adult driver back then, as I
was, when you couldn't even get 2 gallons of gasoline at a gas station?
Or were you just an unfertilized egg cell floating inside one of your
mother's ovaries?
--
Steven L.
Re the title of this thread: "If Obama is elected gas will go to 5
bucks a gallon," even if Obama is not elected gas will go to 5 bucks a
gallon. The price at the pump is determined by the oil barons who
control the refineries, and thus the supply. Do you really think a
bunch of ragheads at OPEC determine what you pay for gasoline and
heating oil? The oil barons tell OPEC what to charge and use that to
jack up what you owe them. Where would OPEC be if the barons didn't
bribe them? Swimmng in their own oil.
Sanders Kaufman
2008-01-30 21:50:00 UTC
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Post by Sanders Kaufman
Gas isn't expensive at the source - the mideast.
For your information, the price at the mideast has quintupled in the last
30 years. Back in the 1970s, oil was $20 a barrel. Now it's $100 a
barrel.
Yeah - but that was like 40 years ago.
Welcome to the 21st century, you relic.
Jakthehammer
2008-01-29 02:43:56 UTC
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Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
Black Elk
2008-01-29 04:01:00 UTC
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Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
Prices will in all likelihood come down when the oil corporations are no
longer in charge of the WH.
spammer
2008-01-29 04:04:18 UTC
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Post by Black Elk
Prices will in all likelihood come down when the oil corporations are no
longer in charge of the WH.
Here we go with more whining.
Non-TweedlePug Voter
2008-01-29 05:29:07 UTC
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Post by Black Elk
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
Prices will in all likelihood come down when the oil corporations are no
longer in charge of the WH.
I'm not so sure. They played the game from the inside for a while.
Maybe a change-up is in the works?

Maybe more money can be scared up by playing as "outsiders" for
a while? We live in an age where mere rumors can make millions
on oil futures.
Justin Case
2008-01-29 21:13:18 UTC
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Post by Non-TweedlePug Voter
Post by Black Elk
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
Prices will in all likelihood come down when the oil corporations are no
longer in charge of the WH.
I'm not so sure. They played the game from the inside for a while.
Maybe a change-up is in the works?
Maybe more money can be scared up by playing as "outsiders" for
a while? We live in an age where mere rumors can make millions
on oil futures.
I know it's useless to lecture those witting in the back of the classroom
but speculators are driving up the price of oil; that and ME countries
starting to trade in Euros rather than US dollars.
John
2008-01-29 21:26:08 UTC
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Post by Justin Case
Post by Non-TweedlePug Voter
Post by Black Elk
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
Prices will in all likelihood come down when the oil corporations are no
longer in charge of the WH.
I'm not so sure. They played the game from the inside for a while.
Maybe a change-up is in the works?
Maybe more money can be scared up by playing as "outsiders" for
a while? We live in an age where mere rumors can make millions
on oil futures.
I know it's useless to lecture those witting in the back of the classroom
but speculators are driving up the price of oil; that and ME countries
starting to trade in Euros rather than US dollars.
which means in simple terms, if they trade in euro's instead of dollars then
we pay the real price of Bush putting the dollar in the dumper, the price of
gas in the US goes up 50%, at least
Capri
2008-01-30 06:20:09 UTC
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Post by John
Post by Justin Case
Post by Non-TweedlePug Voter
Post by Black Elk
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
Prices will in all likelihood come down when the oil corporations are no
longer in charge of the WH.
I'm not so sure. They played the game from the inside for a while.
Maybe a change-up is in the works?
Maybe more money can be scared up by playing as "outsiders" for
a while? We live in an age where mere rumors can make millions
on oil futures.
I know it's useless to lecture those witting in the back of the classroom
but speculators are driving up the price of oil; that and ME countries
starting to trade in Euros rather than US dollars.
which means in simple terms, if they trade in euro's instead of dollars then
we pay the real price of Bush putting the dollar in the dumper, the price of
gas in the US goes up 50%, at least
Think before you post!

In the unlikely event that the world market should change their
oil trading from dollars to euros, the VALUE of the oil would remain
the
same. It would not all of a sudden be worth 40-50% more. The
people countries that deal in euros are paying for it by the $/bl

To make it clearer for the retards that post here:
A $100 barrel of of oil would not all of a sudden
become a 100 eruro barrel of oil. If it did, no doubt it would
make you jokers happy that the USA was getting slammed but
the people who already deal in EUROS would get hit just as hard if
not worse.
John
2008-01-30 16:09:35 UTC
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Post by Capri
Post by John
Post by Justin Case
Post by Non-TweedlePug Voter
Post by Black Elk
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
Prices will in all likelihood come down when the oil corporations are no
longer in charge of the WH.
I'm not so sure. They played the game from the inside for a while.
Maybe a change-up is in the works?
Maybe more money can be scared up by playing as "outsiders" for
a while? We live in an age where mere rumors can make millions
on oil futures.
I know it's useless to lecture those witting in the back of the classroom
but speculators are driving up the price of oil; that and ME countries
starting to trade in Euros rather than US dollars.
which means in simple terms, if they trade in euro's instead of dollars then
we pay the real price of Bush putting the dollar in the dumper, the price of
gas in the US goes up 50%, at least
Think before you post!
In the unlikely event that the world market should change their
oil trading from dollars to euros, the VALUE of the oil would remain
the
same. It would not all of a sudden be worth 40-50% more. The
people countries that deal in euros are paying for it by the $/bl
A $100 barrel of of oil would not all of a sudden
become a 100 eruro barrel of oil. If it did, no doubt it would
make you jokers happy that the USA was getting slammed but
the people who already deal in EUROS would get hit just as hard if
not worse.
Splitting hairs - you are correct just because of the change of standard
does not automatically = 50% increase.

BUT if oil is traded in Euros it is not just the price of oil that matters
but the exchange rate does also - that is the part that is left out of the
equation as long as oil is traded in dollars.

the exchange rate is 1=1 than and oil is 100 euros then the US pays $100 /
bbl.
If the dollar continues its fall but oil remains the same - the price will
continued to go up in the USA. The weaker the dollar, the more oil
inflation there will be, which will maker the dollar weaker still, etc.
Add on top of that, if oil keeps going up and the dollar keeps going down,
the price of gas will get real expensive real fast.

Bush and he republicans have fucked us good.......
Raymond
2008-01-30 16:44:22 UTC
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Post by John
Post by Capri
Post by John
Post by Justin Case
Post by Black Elk
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
Prices will in all likelihood come down when the oil corporations are no
longer in charge of the WH.
I'm not so sure. �They played the game from the inside for a while.
Maybe a change-up is in the works?
Maybe more money can be scared up by playing as "outsiders" for
a while? �We live in an age where mere rumors can make millions
on oil futures.
I know it's useless to lecture those witting in the back of the classroom
but speculators are driving up the price of oil; that and ME countries
starting to trade in Euros rather than US dollars.
which means in simple terms, if they trade in euro's instead of dollars then
we pay the real price of Bush putting the dollar in the dumper, the price of
gas in the US goes up 50%, at least
Think before you post!
In the unlikely event that the world market should change their
oil trading from dollars to euros, �the VALUE of the oil would remain
the
same. It would not all of a sudden be worth 40-50% more. The
people countries that deal in euros are paying for it by the $/bl
A $100 barrel of of oil would not all of a sudden
become a 100 eruro barrel of oil. If it did, no doubt it would
make you jokers happy that the USA was getting slammed but
the people who already deal in EUROS would get hit just as hard if
not worse.
Splitting hairs - you are correct just because of the change of standard
does not automatically = 50% increase.
BUT if oil is traded in Euros it is not just the price of oil that matters
but the exchange rate does also - that is the part that is left out of the
equation as long as oil is traded in dollars.
the exchange rate is 1=1 than and oil is 100 euros then the US pays $100 �/
bbl.
If the dollar continues its fall but oil remains the same - the price will
continued to go up in the USA. �The weaker the dollar, the more oil
inflation there will be, which will maker the dollar weaker still, etc.
Add on top of that, if oil keeps going up and the dollar keeps going down,
the price of gas will get real expensive real fast.
Bush and he republicans have fucked us good.......- Hide quoted text -
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Maybe Obama will invade Canada and Mexico so we can steal their oil.
That would be better than invading Iran and Saudi Arabia. Besides,
It's closer to the US and the troops could get home more often to see
their families.

Of course, Obama would have to get the approval from Israel. since the
US has an agreement with Israel to provide them with all the oil they
will ever want to satisfy their needs. In fact, we already invaded
Iraq so we could supply them with oil from there. They may not like
the idea of having to wait for our oil tankers to deliver oil from the
western hemisphere.

Don't piss the Jewish lobby off ---- or else....oy vay!

Mexico would be ideal. There are lots of whore houses in Mexico and
the GIs could at least get laid once in a while. And marijuana is
available in every bar in Mexico... so why not at least hit Mexico?
Si?

See why we invaded Iraq:

Kirkuk to Haifa Pipeline: Reason for the War?
In 2003, Bush invaded Iraq, partly to topple Saddam Hussein, partly to
revive the pipeline to Haifa

http://zionofascism.wordpress.com/category/netanyahu-watch/

US discusses plan to pump fuel to its regional ally and solve energy
headache at a stroke Ed Vuillamy in Washington Sunday April 20, 2003

The Observer
By Steven Scheer

LONDON (Reuters) - Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he
expected an oil pipeline from Iraq to Israel to be reopened in the
near future after being closed when Israel became a state in 1948.

"It won't be long when you will see Iraqi oil flowing to Haifa," the
port city in northern Israel, Netanyahu told a group of British
investors, declining to give a timetable.

"It is just a matter of time until the pipeline is reconstituted and
Iraqi oil will flow to the Mediterranean."

Netanyahu later told Reuters the government was in the early stages of
looking into the possibility of reopening the pipeline, which during
the British Mandate sent oil from Mosul to Haifa via Jordan.

Shalom:
"It's not a pipe-dream," Netanyahu said.

Plans to build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to
Israel are being discussed between Washington, Tel Aviv and potential
future government figures in Baghdad.The plan envisages the
reconstruction of an old pipeline, inactive since the end of the
British mandate in Palestine in 1948, when the flow from Iraq's
northern oilfields to Palestine was re-directed to Syria.

Sunday, November 4, 2007
Iraqi invasion: oil perspective

The British built the Kirkuk-to-Haifa pipeline in 1927. In 1934, they
completed a 12-inch pipeline from the Kirkuk fields to Al-Haditha on
the Euphrates River. At that point the pipeline forked. One branch
went through Syria to Tripoli (Lebanon). The other went across Jordan
to Haifa. The British built refineries at both Tripoli and Haifa to
handle this Iraq oil. (In World War II, Germany wanted to get control
of this oil.)

In 1945 the British added a parallel 16-inch pipeline in Syria.

When Jews started to invade Palestine in 1945, Syria shut down its
branch to Tripoli. Iraq shut down all oil from from Kirkuk to Haifa.
At that point, most of northern Iraq's oil went to the Turkish port
city of Gihan, which was OK with the US, since Turkey was a US ally
against the USSR. Turkey collect transit fees for this oil.

In 1947 the British oil refinery at Haifa still handled trickle of oil
from miscellaneous areas, and still employed some 1,700 Arab workers,
plus 360 Jewish employees. The Arab and Jewish workers formed a union
to oppose British tyranny. Then Israel was created. Immediately Irgun
(commanded by Menachem Begin), the Hagana and other terrorist groups
moved in. Irgun had bombed the King David Hotel the year before, and
they started massacring Arabs in Haifa and elsewhere.

In 1952, western oil companies built two new lines through Syria to
Tripoli. The pipeline to Haifa was allowed to decay. Pieces of it were
dismantled. Various interests used the pieces to build water
pipelines.

In 2003, Bush invaded Iraq, partly to topple Saddam Hussein, partly to
revive the pipeline to Haifa (Kirkuk oil fields were said to contain
perhaps 40% of Iraq's oil), and partly to bring oil deals to his
personal friends, such as Ray L. Hunt. Small American oil companies
like Hunt Oil will extract Kurdish oil as soon as and if Mosul and
Kirkuk are broken off from Iraq (17 November 2007). Mosul is the first
stop for Kirkuk oil.

When the Haifa pipeline opens back up, only Jordan (not Israel) will
collect hefty transit fees. Kurdish oil will go to Europe via Israel,
not Turkey. This might be a reason why Turkey is threatening to
invade. The minute Bush invaded Iraq, the Turkish realized that the
pipeline to Haifa would be opened back up. Therefore Turkey tried to
make deals with Central Asian states (such as Azerbaijan) to get new
pipelines to Turkey, but now Iran and Russia have foiled Turkish plans
by forming the new alliance of Caspian Sea states. Turkey feels
squeezed. This is yet another reason why they are threatening to
invade northern Iraq.

Shortly after the 2003 invasion, Benyamin Netanyahu (the then Israeli
finance minister) boasted, "Soon you will see Iraqi oil flowing to
Haifa. It is just a matter of time until the pipeline is
reconstituted, and Iraqi oil will flow to the Mediterranean. It's not
a pipe dream."

Under a 1975 Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) the US guaranteed all
Israel's oil needs in the event of a crisis. This MoU is quietly
renewed every five years. It commits US taxpayers to maintain a
strategic US reserve for Israel, equivalent to $3 billion in 2002
dollars. Special legislation was enacted to exempt Israel from
restrictions on oil exports from the US. Moreover, the US government
agreed to divert oil from the US, even in case of oil shortages in the
US. The US government also guaranteed delivery of oil in US tankers if
commercial shippers become unable or unwilling to carry oil from the
US to Israel.

SEE
Israel-United States Memorandum of Understanding
(September 1, 1975)

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/mou1975.html

Israel can wrench lot of oil from the region if the pipeline were used
again and Kurds were willing to sell the oil. It would also make Kurds
dependent on Israelis for oil revenues and thus give a greater
leverage to Israelis over Kurds of the region...

We are All Jews Now
Aidel gepotchket - Delicately brought up

Consider the present crisis in America and the rise of anti-
Americanism worldwide. "The US has become a Jewish state in more ways
than one. It has the same security checks, the same holocaust museums,
the same poverty for many and riches for a few as Israel

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles4/Jones_Palestine.htm

Azoy gait es! - That's how it goes!
L'Shalom...L'hitraot -- good-bye; `see you later'.
Capri
2008-02-01 22:40:15 UTC
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Post by John
Post by Capri
Post by John
Post by Justin Case
Post by Non-TweedlePug Voter
Post by Black Elk
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
Prices will in all likelihood come down when the oil corporations are no
longer in charge of the WH.
I'm not so sure. They played the game from the inside for a while.
Maybe a change-up is in the works?
Maybe more money can be scared up by playing as "outsiders" for
a while? We live in an age where mere rumors can make millions
on oil futures.
I know it's useless to lecture those witting in the back of the classroom
but speculators are driving up the price of oil; that and ME countries
starting to trade in Euros rather than US dollars.
which means in simple terms, if they trade in euro's instead of dollars then
we pay the real price of Bush putting the dollar in the dumper, the price of
gas in the US goes up 50%, at least
Think before you post!
In the unlikely event that the world market should change their
oil trading from dollars to euros, the VALUE of the oil would remain
the
same. It would not all of a sudden be worth 40-50% more. The
people countries that deal in euros are paying for it by the $/bl
A $100 barrel of of oil would not all of a sudden
become a 100 eruro barrel of oil. If it did, no doubt it would
make you jokers happy that the USA was getting slammed but
the people who already deal in EUROS would get hit just as hard if
not worse.
Splitting hairs - you are correct just because of the change of standard
does not automatically = 50% increase.
BUT if oil is traded in Euros it is not just the price of oil that matters
but the exchange rate does also - that is the part that is left out of the
equation as long as oil is traded in dollars.
the exchange rate is 1=1 than and oil is 100 euros then the US pays $100 /
bbl.
If the dollar continues its fall but oil remains the same - the price will
continued to go up in the USA. The weaker the dollar, the more oil
inflation there will be, which will maker the dollar weaker still, etc.
Add on top of that, if oil keeps going up and the dollar keeps going down,
the price of gas will get real expensive real fast.
Bush and he republicans have fucked us good.......
I rest my case, you just proved yourself an idiot.

Only a dumb ass posts on "if this happens then this might occur"

and tries to pawn it off as fact.

John
2008-01-29 04:32:35 UTC
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No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in the
price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
Is that what you call 5 years of record profits, eating the increase??????
Raymond
2008-01-29 05:53:18 UTC
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Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
RE:If Obama is elected gas will go to 5 bucks a gallon.

That's great news. Now, I can call my broker and buy more stock in
Exxon Mobil. I was worried that a Democrat would ruin everything and
my stock would have to be sold before the November election. Thanks
for the tip.

Did you hear? Exxon Mobil Posts Record Annual Profit ... Exxon Mobil
Profit Soars 75% WOW.!

Thank you Mr. President
Starkiller
2008-01-29 13:34:27 UTC
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Post by Raymond
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
RE:If Obama is elected gas will go to 5 bucks a gallon.
That's great news. Now, I can call my broker and buy more stock in
Exxon Mobil. I was worried that a Democrat would ruin everything and
my stock would have to be sold before the November election. Thanks
for the tip.
Did you hear? Exxon Mobil Posts Record Annual Profit ... Exxon Mobil
Profit Soars 75% WOW.!
Thank you Mr. President
The irony in all of this is the left is constantly screaming that Bush
made gas prices go up. If a democrat wins the whitehouse and it
continues to rise they will suddenly start saying what a grand thing
it is. They'll talk about how great it is for the environment and
will completely forget about all those profits that they've been
bitching about.
Which is why I trust very few democrats and virtually no liberals on
anything they say or do. With them it isn't about what gets done but
about who does it. They put their partisan politics above all else.
John
2008-01-29 19:31:11 UTC
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Post by Starkiller
Post by Raymond
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
RE:If Obama is elected gas will go to 5 bucks a gallon.
That's great news. Now, I can call my broker and buy more stock in
Exxon Mobil. I was worried that a Democrat would ruin everything and
my stock would have to be sold before the November election. Thanks
for the tip.
Did you hear? Exxon Mobil Posts Record Annual Profit ... Exxon Mobil
Profit Soars 75% WOW.!
Thank you Mr. President
The irony in all of this is the left is constantly screaming that Bush
made gas prices go up. If a democrat wins the whitehouse and it
continues to rise they will suddenly start saying what a grand thing
it is. They'll talk about how great it is for the environment and
will completely forget about all those profits that they've been
bitching about.
Which is why I trust very few democrats and virtually no liberals on
anything they say or do. With them it isn't about what gets done but
about who does it. They put their partisan politics above all else.
you mean like how republicans put partisan politics above everything else on
the Clinton witch hunt that wasted six years and 80 million dollars....
bushlyed
2008-01-29 19:42:07 UTC
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Post by Starkiller
The irony in all of this is the left is constantly screaming that Bush
made gas prices go up.  
We would like the extra price we pay for gasoline to go to the public
good, not some greedy warmonger bastards who rake in immoral profits
on the backs of you and me (only you are too stupid to realize it)
Starkiller
2008-01-29 20:25:16 UTC
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:42:07 -0800 (PST), bushlyed
Post by bushlyed
Post by Starkiller
The irony in all of this is the left is constantly screaming that Bush
made gas prices go up.  
We would like the extra price we pay for gasoline to go to the public
good, not some greedy warmonger bastards who rake in immoral profits
on the backs of you and me (only you are too stupid to realize it)
And you think that a Democrat in the WH will change that how?
And the fact of the matter is that "Big Oil" Makes all those
"obscene" profits from WORLDWIDE sales.

When you consider that the profit from a gallon of gas is around 9
cents per gallon sold and then consider the number of gallons sold
worldwide then yes they will add up. Currently the government gets 5
to 6 times the amount of money per gallon sold than the oil companies.
How's all that money working out for ya?

Another thing you folks don't want to acknowledge is that the
petrochemical industry in general is more profitable per unit sold
when it comes to plastics and other "side dishes" that result from the
refining of oil.
You put more taxes on a gallon of gas and the oil companies will
contiue to get their piddly 9 cents. Now if you can explain how the
government is going to "take away" that profit without finding us
suddenly in the state of shortages fell free to elaborate.
The government can't mandate production levels in any company so if
you remove the "profit motive" then those refineries suddenly have no
reason to keep operating at the high levels that they currently do.
Why wast equipment and energy making something that will earn you
little or nothing?
What you people really want is "nationalized" oil which I doubt you
will have much luck getting accomplished.
Particularly since BP, Exxon Mobil et al are multinational
conglomerates.
Plus with the markets in China and the rest of Asia getting larger and
larger it won't be much longer before they will be able to be just as
profitable without actually having to depend on the American market.
And the bottom line is, I don't care how much profit someone makes off
of something I want or need. What is important is my ability to
afford it. Jacking the price up artificially with taxes and
regulating the profits will do nothing but create hardship on all the
people that you folks claim to give a damn about.
How do you want to explain 5 or 6 dollar a gallon gas to those working
class folks that would have a chunk taken out of their ass by having
to pay for it? That it's going to help someone else?
So I don't give a shit whether the profit is used to buy some asshole
a yacht or if it feeds starving kids in China. But then I'm not big
on class envy.
If you live in a nicer house than me and drive a nicer newer car,
should I hate you and make some silly assed judgment based upon my own
image and ideas as to how much you deserve?
I know for a fact, because they've said it to my face on many
occassions, a homeless person may look at you and ask "who the hell
are you to deserve a house and a car and a family when I have
nothing?" Would your answer be that the government needs to take fom
you by force so as to provide that person with what THEY think they
deserve because you somehow are suddenly undeserving due to the simple
reason that you have more?
And where do you want to draw the line. Do you intend to pass laws
making it to where anyone in business must have their profits limited?
How about passing laws limiting EVERYONE's income. That worked out
real well in "mother Russia" didn't it? It gave them around 70 or so
years of piss poor products, unsafe buildings and substandard medical
care as well as a lousy nuclear energy program.
Like it or not, it is the way of the world. Pharmaceutical companies
don't develop new cures and medicines out of the sheer goodness of
their hearts. It is to make money in order to do more R&D and make
more drugs to make more money so the stockholders can make more and
the board members can make more and the cycle rolls on. Because
EVERYONE, rich, poor, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Independant
and even Socialists and Communists want MORE.
Everyone wants a plain cut and dry, black and white, absolute right
and wrong world but it just don't work that way.
Justin Case
2008-01-29 21:21:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Starkiller
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:42:07 -0800 (PST), bushlyed
Post by bushlyed
Post by Starkiller
The irony in all of this is the left is constantly screaming that Bush
made gas prices go up.
We would like the extra price we pay for gasoline to go to the public
good, not some greedy warmonger bastards who rake in immoral profits
on the backs of you and me (only you are too stupid to realize it)
And you think that a Democrat in the WH will change that how?
And the fact of the matter is that "Big Oil" Makes all those
"obscene" profits from WORLDWIDE sales.
When you consider that the profit from a gallon of gas is around 9
cents per gallon sold and then consider the number of gallons sold
worldwide then yes they will add up. Currently the government gets 5
to 6 times the amount of money per gallon sold than the oil companies.
How's all that money working out for ya?
Another thing you folks don't want to acknowledge is that the
petrochemical industry in general is more profitable per unit sold
when it comes to plastics and other "side dishes" that result from the
refining of oil.
You put more taxes on a gallon of gas and the oil companies will
contiue to get their piddly 9 cents. Now if you can explain how the
government is going to "take away" that profit without finding us
suddenly in the state of shortages fell free to elaborate.
The government can't mandate production levels in any company so if
you remove the "profit motive" then those refineries suddenly have no
reason to keep operating at the high levels that they currently do.
Why wast equipment and energy making something that will earn you
little or nothing?
What you people really want is "nationalized" oil which I doubt you
will have much luck getting accomplished.
Particularly since BP, Exxon Mobil et al are multinational
conglomerates.
Plus with the markets in China and the rest of Asia getting larger and
larger it won't be much longer before they will be able to be just as
profitable without actually having to depend on the American market.
And the bottom line is, I don't care how much profit someone makes off
of something I want or need. What is important is my ability to
afford it. Jacking the price up artificially with taxes and
regulating the profits will do nothing but create hardship on all the
people that you folks claim to give a damn about.
How do you want to explain 5 or 6 dollar a gallon gas to those working
class folks that would have a chunk taken out of their ass by having
to pay for it? That it's going to help someone else?
So I don't give a shit whether the profit is used to buy some asshole
a yacht or if it feeds starving kids in China. But then I'm not big
on class envy.
If you live in a nicer house than me and drive a nicer newer car,
should I hate you and make some silly assed judgment based upon my own
image and ideas as to how much you deserve?
I know for a fact, because they've said it to my face on many
occassions, a homeless person may look at you and ask "who the hell
are you to deserve a house and a car and a family when I have
nothing?" Would your answer be that the government needs to take fom
you by force so as to provide that person with what THEY think they
deserve because you somehow are suddenly undeserving due to the simple
reason that you have more?
And where do you want to draw the line. Do you intend to pass laws
making it to where anyone in business must have their profits limited?
How about passing laws limiting EVERYONE's income. That worked out
real well in "mother Russia" didn't it? It gave them around 70 or so
years of piss poor products, unsafe buildings and substandard medical
care as well as a lousy nuclear energy program.
Like it or not, it is the way of the world. Pharmaceutical companies
don't develop new cures and medicines out of the sheer goodness of
their hearts. It is to make money in order to do more R&D and make
more drugs to make more money so the stockholders can make more and
the board members can make more and the cycle rolls on. Because
EVERYONE, rich, poor, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Independant
and even Socialists and Communists want MORE.
Everyone wants a plain cut and dry, black and white, absolute right
and wrong world but it just don't work that way.
Now you've gone and done it. You've just flooded his brain with facts.
Sounds to me like you're a sitting duck for a lawsusit.
Starkiller
2008-01-29 21:30:55 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:21:51 -0800, "Justin Case"
Post by Justin Case
Post by Starkiller
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:42:07 -0800 (PST), bushlyed
Post by bushlyed
Post by Starkiller
The irony in all of this is the left is constantly screaming that Bush
made gas prices go up.
We would like the extra price we pay for gasoline to go to the public
good, not some greedy warmonger bastards who rake in immoral profits
on the backs of you and me (only you are too stupid to realize it)
And you think that a Democrat in the WH will change that how?
And the fact of the matter is that "Big Oil" Makes all those
"obscene" profits from WORLDWIDE sales.
When you consider that the profit from a gallon of gas is around 9
cents per gallon sold and then consider the number of gallons sold
worldwide then yes they will add up. Currently the government gets 5
to 6 times the amount of money per gallon sold than the oil companies.
How's all that money working out for ya?
Another thing you folks don't want to acknowledge is that the
petrochemical industry in general is more profitable per unit sold
when it comes to plastics and other "side dishes" that result from the
refining of oil.
You put more taxes on a gallon of gas and the oil companies will
contiue to get their piddly 9 cents. Now if you can explain how the
government is going to "take away" that profit without finding us
suddenly in the state of shortages fell free to elaborate.
The government can't mandate production levels in any company so if
you remove the "profit motive" then those refineries suddenly have no
reason to keep operating at the high levels that they currently do.
Why wast equipment and energy making something that will earn you
little or nothing?
What you people really want is "nationalized" oil which I doubt you
will have much luck getting accomplished.
Particularly since BP, Exxon Mobil et al are multinational
conglomerates.
Plus with the markets in China and the rest of Asia getting larger and
larger it won't be much longer before they will be able to be just as
profitable without actually having to depend on the American market.
And the bottom line is, I don't care how much profit someone makes off
of something I want or need. What is important is my ability to
afford it. Jacking the price up artificially with taxes and
regulating the profits will do nothing but create hardship on all the
people that you folks claim to give a damn about.
How do you want to explain 5 or 6 dollar a gallon gas to those working
class folks that would have a chunk taken out of their ass by having
to pay for it? That it's going to help someone else?
So I don't give a shit whether the profit is used to buy some asshole
a yacht or if it feeds starving kids in China. But then I'm not big
on class envy.
If you live in a nicer house than me and drive a nicer newer car,
should I hate you and make some silly assed judgment based upon my own
image and ideas as to how much you deserve?
I know for a fact, because they've said it to my face on many
occassions, a homeless person may look at you and ask "who the hell
are you to deserve a house and a car and a family when I have
nothing?" Would your answer be that the government needs to take fom
you by force so as to provide that person with what THEY think they
deserve because you somehow are suddenly undeserving due to the simple
reason that you have more?
And where do you want to draw the line. Do you intend to pass laws
making it to where anyone in business must have their profits limited?
How about passing laws limiting EVERYONE's income. That worked out
real well in "mother Russia" didn't it? It gave them around 70 or so
years of piss poor products, unsafe buildings and substandard medical
care as well as a lousy nuclear energy program.
Like it or not, it is the way of the world. Pharmaceutical companies
don't develop new cures and medicines out of the sheer goodness of
their hearts. It is to make money in order to do more R&D and make
more drugs to make more money so the stockholders can make more and
the board members can make more and the cycle rolls on. Because
EVERYONE, rich, poor, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Independant
and even Socialists and Communists want MORE.
Everyone wants a plain cut and dry, black and white, absolute right
and wrong world but it just don't work that way.
Now you've gone and done it. You've just flooded his brain with facts.
Sounds to me like you're a sitting duck for a lawsusit.
Oh shit. That's twice in one day I've been told something along that
line.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop drinkin'"
LOL
bushlyed
2008-01-30 21:07:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Starkiller
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:42:07 -0800 (PST), bushlyed
Post by bushlyed
Post by Starkiller
The irony in all of this is the left is constantly screaming that Bush
made gas prices go up.
We would like the extra price we pay for gasoline to go to the public
good, not some greedy warmonger bastards who rake in immoral profits
on the backs of you and me (only you are too stupid to realize it)
And you think that a Democrat in the WH will change that how?
And the fact of the matter is that "Big Oil"  Makes all those
"obscene" profits from WORLDWIDE sales.
When you consider that the profit from a gallon of gas is around 9
cents per gallon sold and then consider the number of gallons sold
worldwide then yes they will add up.  Currently the government gets 5
to 6 times the amount of money per gallon sold than the oil companies.
How's all that money working out for ya?
Another thing you folks don't want to acknowledge is that the
petrochemical industry in general is more profitable per unit sold
when it comes to plastics and other "side dishes" that result from the
refining of oil.
You put more taxes on a gallon of gas and the oil companies will
contiue to get their piddly 9 cents.  Now if you can explain how the
government is going to "take away" that profit without finding us
suddenly in the state of shortages fell free to elaborate.
The government can't mandate production levels in any company so if
you remove the "profit motive" then those refineries suddenly have no
reason to keep operating at the high levels that they currently do.
Why wast equipment and energy making something that will earn you
little or nothing?
What you people really want is "nationalized" oil which I doubt you
will have much luck getting accomplished.
Particularly since BP, Exxon Mobil et al are multinational
conglomerates.
Plus with the markets in China and the rest of Asia getting larger and
larger it won't be much longer before they will be able to be just as
profitable without actually having to depend on the American market.
And the bottom line is, I don't care how much profit someone makes off
of something I want or need.  What is important is my ability to
afford it.  Jacking the price up artificially with taxes and
regulating the profits will do nothing but create hardship on all the
people that you folks claim to give a damn about.
How do you want to explain 5 or 6 dollar a gallon gas to those working
class folks that would have a chunk taken out of their ass by having
to pay for it?  That it's going to help someone else?
So I don't give a shit whether the profit is used to buy some asshole
a yacht or if it feeds starving kids in China.  But then I'm not big
on class envy.
If you live in a nicer house than me and drive a nicer newer car,
should I hate you and make some silly assed judgment based upon my own
image and ideas as to how much you deserve?
I know for a fact, because they've said it to my face on many
occassions, a homeless person may look at you and ask "who the hell
are you to deserve a house and a car and a family when I have
nothing?"  Would your answer be that the government needs to take fom
you by force so as to provide that person with what THEY think they
deserve because you somehow are suddenly undeserving due to the simple
reason that you have more?
And where do you want to draw the line.  Do you intend to pass laws
making it to where anyone in business must have their profits limited?
How about passing laws limiting EVERYONE's income.  That worked out
real well in "mother Russia" didn't it?  It gave them around 70 or so
years of piss poor products, unsafe buildings and substandard medical
care as well as a lousy nuclear energy program.
Like it or not, it is the way of the world.  Pharmaceutical companies
don't develop new cures and medicines out of the sheer goodness of
their hearts.  It is to make money in order to do more R&D and make
more drugs to make more money so the stockholders can make more and
the board members can make more and the cycle rolls on.  Because
EVERYONE, rich, poor, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Independant
and even Socialists and Communists want MORE.
Everyone wants a plain cut and dry, black and white, absolute right
and wrong world but it just don't work that way.
Now you've gone and done it.  You've just flooded his brain with facts.
Sounds to me like you're a sitting duck for a lawsusit.
No facts, just a bunch of blabber

And you love bending over and taking it in the butt for the bushes and
the oil companies while they drink champagne at your expenses

Idiots like you make it easy for them
Starkiller
2008-01-30 22:20:44 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:07:08 -0800 (PST), bushlyed
Post by bushlyed
Post by Starkiller
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:42:07 -0800 (PST), bushlyed
Post by bushlyed
Post by Starkiller
The irony in all of this is the left is constantly screaming that Bush
made gas prices go up.
We would like the extra price we pay for gasoline to go to the public
good, not some greedy warmonger bastards who rake in immoral profits
on the backs of you and me (only you are too stupid to realize it)
And you think that a Democrat in the WH will change that how?
And the fact of the matter is that "Big Oil"  Makes all those
"obscene" profits from WORLDWIDE sales.
When you consider that the profit from a gallon of gas is around 9
cents per gallon sold and then consider the number of gallons sold
worldwide then yes they will add up.  Currently the government gets 5
to 6 times the amount of money per gallon sold than the oil companies.
How's all that money working out for ya?
Another thing you folks don't want to acknowledge is that the
petrochemical industry in general is more profitable per unit sold
when it comes to plastics and other "side dishes" that result from the
refining of oil.
You put more taxes on a gallon of gas and the oil companies will
contiue to get their piddly 9 cents.  Now if you can explain how the
government is going to "take away" that profit without finding us
suddenly in the state of shortages fell free to elaborate.
The government can't mandate production levels in any company so if
you remove the "profit motive" then those refineries suddenly have no
reason to keep operating at the high levels that they currently do.
Why wast equipment and energy making something that will earn you
little or nothing?
What you people really want is "nationalized" oil which I doubt you
will have much luck getting accomplished.
Particularly since BP, Exxon Mobil et al are multinational
conglomerates.
Plus with the markets in China and the rest of Asia getting larger and
larger it won't be much longer before they will be able to be just as
profitable without actually having to depend on the American market.
And the bottom line is, I don't care how much profit someone makes off
of something I want or need.  What is important is my ability to
afford it.  Jacking the price up artificially with taxes and
regulating the profits will do nothing but create hardship on all the
people that you folks claim to give a damn about.
How do you want to explain 5 or 6 dollar a gallon gas to those working
class folks that would have a chunk taken out of their ass by having
to pay for it?  That it's going to help someone else?
So I don't give a shit whether the profit is used to buy some asshole
a yacht or if it feeds starving kids in China.  But then I'm not big
on class envy.
If you live in a nicer house than me and drive a nicer newer car,
should I hate you and make some silly assed judgment based upon my own
image and ideas as to how much you deserve?
I know for a fact, because they've said it to my face on many
occassions, a homeless person may look at you and ask "who the hell
are you to deserve a house and a car and a family when I have
nothing?"  Would your answer be that the government needs to take fom
you by force so as to provide that person with what THEY think they
deserve because you somehow are suddenly undeserving due to the simple
reason that you have more?
And where do you want to draw the line.  Do you intend to pass laws
making it to where anyone in business must have their profits limited?
How about passing laws limiting EVERYONE's income.  That worked out
real well in "mother Russia" didn't it?  It gave them around 70 or so
years of piss poor products, unsafe buildings and substandard medical
care as well as a lousy nuclear energy program.
Like it or not, it is the way of the world.  Pharmaceutical companies
don't develop new cures and medicines out of the sheer goodness of
their hearts.  It is to make money in order to do more R&D and make
more drugs to make more money so the stockholders can make more and
the board members can make more and the cycle rolls on.  Because
EVERYONE, rich, poor, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Independant
and even Socialists and Communists want MORE.
Everyone wants a plain cut and dry, black and white, absolute right
and wrong world but it just don't work that way.
Now you've gone and done it.  You've just flooded his brain with facts.
Sounds to me like you're a sitting duck for a lawsusit.
No facts, just a bunch of blabber
And you love bending over and taking it in the butt for the bushes and
the oil companies while they drink champagne at your expenses
Idiots like you make it easy for them
Cite the untruths or STFU
Justin Case
2008-01-29 21:19:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Starkiller
The irony in all of this is the left is constantly screaming that Bush
made gas prices go up.
We would like the extra price we pay for gasoline to go to the public
good, not some greedy warmonger bastards who rake in immoral profits
on the backs of you and me (only you are too stupid to realize it)

The profits are going to a greedy SOB but it is the greedy SOB called
speculators. Sort of like blaming to housing market crash on the government
yet I've never heard of one consumer refusing to sell his house because he
would make an obscene profit. Perhaps you'd prefer the oil companies just
switch over to making tinker toys rather than producing gas. If you want to
see price increased just imagine our government running the business.
Starkiller
2008-01-29 21:27:58 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:19:37 -0800, "Justin Case"
Post by bushlyed
Post by Starkiller
The irony in all of this is the left is constantly screaming that Bush
made gas prices go up.
We would like the extra price we pay for gasoline to go to the public
good, not some greedy warmonger bastards who rake in immoral profits
on the backs of you and me (only you are too stupid to realize it)
The profits are going to a greedy SOB but it is the greedy SOB called
speculators. Sort of like blaming to housing market crash on the government
yet I've never heard of one consumer refusing to sell his house because he
would make an obscene profit. Perhaps you'd prefer the oil companies just
switch over to making tinker toys rather than producing gas. If you want to
see price increased just imagine our government running the business.
Indeed. Can anyone and I mean anyone tell me when any so called
liberal has ever refused a profit?
When does anyone at all refuse any kind of profit in their business or
personal finances?
penwise
2008-01-29 06:02:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
Oil should be expensive. And so should the dollar.
Personally, I like my national currency to have a LITTLE value...
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
2008-01-29 06:25:44 UTC
Permalink
Oil should be expensive.  And so should the dollar.
Personally, I like my national currency to have a LITTLE value...
That way foreign goods will be even cheaper and your manufacturing
base can continue to decline, right?

Note: Isn't it weird that most of the Democrats(dunno if that is you)
on this board want to get rid of the only form of protectionism(low
dollar) this country has?
penwise
2008-01-29 07:45:14 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 28, 11:25 pm, Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
Oil should be expensive.  And so should the dollar.
Personally, I like my national currency to have a LITTLE value...
That way foreign goods will be even cheaper and your manufacturing
base can continue to decline, right?
Note: Isn't it weird that most of the Democrats(dunno if that is you)
on this board want to get rid of the only form of protectionism(low
dollar) this country has?
So you're saying that the US dollar should be worthless? People
aren't even accepting it overseas anymore.
They want Euros. As a US citizen, I want dollars to have value.
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
2008-01-29 08:48:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by penwise
On Jan 28, 11:25 pm, Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
Oil should be expensive.  And so should the dollar.
Personally, I like my national currency to have a LITTLE value...
That way foreign goods will be even cheaper and your manufacturing
base can continue to decline, right?
Note: Isn't it weird that most of the Democrats(dunno if that is you)
on this board want to get rid of the only form of protectionism(low
dollar) this country has?
So you're saying that the US dollar should be worthless?  
Obviously not.
Post by penwise
People aren't even accepting it overseas anymore.
Obviously they are.
Post by penwise
They want Euros.
There are more greenbacks out there than Euros, so obviously that
isn't true.

But if it were...Who the fuck gives a shit about what dumbass people,
whom are investing in an overpriced currency, want?

Seriously, high debt, aging population, shrinking GDP(will be half the
US's in next 15 years), high inflation, expensive entitlements, and
cheap foreign labor eating up all their jobs...Do you think the Euro
is a good bet?
Post by penwise
 As a US citizen, I want dollars to have value.
And I want it to be at a level that doesn't kill us...Like the Euro is
doing to Europe(economic shithole with triple our debt).

BTW: The USA is #1 in GDP(PPP)...So domestically Americans are living
the good life and paying less for everything.
bushlyed
2008-01-29 19:40:08 UTC
Permalink
On Jan 29, 3:48 am, Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
There are more greenbacks out there than Euros, so obviously that
isn't true.
There are more greenbacks out there than Euros for the same reason
that there are more ones than fives out there: they are worth less
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
But if it were...Who the fuck gives a shit about what dumbass people,
whom are investing in an overpriced currency, want?
Dumbass? The European economies are doing very well
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
Seriously, high debt,
The United States has the highest debt and it has increased 50% under
Bush
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
aging population, shrinking GDP(will be half the
US's in next 15 years),
European GDP has been growing substantially
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
high inflation,
Where high inflation. The only high inflation there is is when you go
to Europe and try to buy stuff with your worthless dollars
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
expensive entitlements,
How shameful that everyone in Europe has adequate medical care

How absolutely shameful
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
And I want it to be at a level that doesn't kill us...Like the Euro is
doing to Europe(economic shithole with triple our debt).
Economic shithole? You are truly an idiot. You have obviously never
been to Europe.

They have universal health care, they get six weeks of vacation a
year, they have a joy of life that is sorely lacking here, they don't
eat fast food crap like McDonalds and fried chicken

How utterly shameful
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
2008-01-30 04:36:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by bushlyed
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
There are more greenbacks out there than Euros, so obviously that
isn't true.
There are more greenbacks out there than Euros for the same reason
that there are more ones than fives out there:  they are worth less
Obviously not.
Post by bushlyed
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
But if it were...Who the fuck gives a shit about what dumbass people,
whom are investing in an overpriced currency, want?
Dumbass?  The European economies are doing very well
No their not.
Post by bushlyed
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
Seriously, high debt,
The United States has the highest debt and it has increased 50% under
Bush
United Kingdom: $8,280,000,000,000.00
Germany: $3,904,000,000,000.00
France: $3,461,000,000,000.00
Italy: $1,957,000,000,000.00
Netherlands: $1,899,000,000,000.00
Spain: $1,591,000,000,000.00
Ireland: $1,392,000,000,000.00
Belgium: $1,053,000,000,000.00
Sweden: $598,200,000,000.00
Austria: $594,300,000,000.00
Denmark: $405,000,000,000.00
Greece: $301,900,000,000.00
Portugal: $272,200,000,000.00
Finland: $251,900,000,000.00
Poland: $147,300,000,000.00
Hungary: $107,300,000,000.00
Czech Republic: $50,200,000,000.00
Romania: $42,760,000,000.00
Slovakia: $31,500,000,000.00
Slovenia: $29,090,000,000.00
Bulgaria: $24,300,000,000.00
Latvia: $18,900,000,000.00
Lithuania: $15,120,000,000.00
Estonia: $13,940,000,000.00
Cyprus $12.630,000,000.00
Malta: $188,800,000.00
Post by bushlyed
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
aging population, shrinking GDP(will be half the
US's in next 15 years),
European GDP has been growing substantially
No, like I said above, it has been on the decline.
Post by bushlyed
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
high inflation,
Where high inflation.  
By all means feel free to price a flat screen in America and then
price same brand in Europe.
Post by bushlyed
The only high inflation there is is when you go
to Europe and try to buy stuff with your worthless dollars
Which isn't good for places that need tourist bucks.

Note: Most other currencies are at or around the dollars level.
Post by bushlyed
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
expensive entitlements,
How shameful that everyone in Europe has adequate medical care
Adequate rationed medical care...That anyone with the money turns down
for American health care.
Post by bushlyed
Post by Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
And I want it to be at a level that doesn't kill us...Like the Euro is
doing to Europe(economic shithole with triple our debt).
Economic shithole?  
Yes, it is.
<snip lame quips>
Post by bushlyed
They have universal health care, they get six weeks of vacation a
year, they have a joy of life that is sorely lacking here, they don't
eat fast food crap like McDonalds and fried chicken
A) Actually they do eat at McDonalds, hence the reason they are
everywhere in Europe.
B) The have universal rationed health care...That they can't afford
and takes forever to get to use. You just got to love that 6 month
waiting list to see an oncologist.
Note; And lets not forget that their grand old system has lead to a
shortage in doctors, dentist, speacialist, etc.

There is nothing like having to take things into your own hands. LOL
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/07/world/europe/07teeth.html
Post by bushlyed
How utterly shameful
Indeed.
Non-TweedlePug Voter
2008-01-30 01:39:50 UTC
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Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
And if Obama is NOT elected, gas will go to $5 a gallon.
Simpson
2008-01-30 01:47:07 UTC
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Post by Non-TweedlePug Voter
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
And if Obama is NOT elected, gas will go to $5 a gallon.
The question is 'when'?

Big Oil has no incentive to make an Obama administration look good by
continuing to eat the increase in the price of oil instead of passing it
on to consumers with interest.
Zeno
2008-01-30 05:36:08 UTC
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Post by Simpson
Post by Non-TweedlePug Voter
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
And if Obama is NOT elected, gas will go to $5 a gallon.
The question is 'when'?
Big Oil has no incentive to make an Obama administration look good by
continuing to eat the increase in the price of oil instead of passing it
on to consumers with interest.
A conspiracy is it?

You know, bin Laden is guided by conspiracies as well...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares#Part_1:_.22Baby_It.27s_Cold_Outside.22
Simpson
2008-01-30 06:00:23 UTC
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Post by Zeno
Post by Simpson
Post by Non-TweedlePug Voter
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
And if Obama is NOT elected, gas will go to $5 a gallon.
The question is 'when'?
Big Oil has no incentive to make an Obama administration look good by
continuing to eat the increase in the price of oil instead of passing it
on to consumers with interest.
A conspiracy is it?
You know, bin Laden is guided by conspiracies as well...
How do you know?

You his secretary?
Post by Zeno
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares#Part_1:_.22Baby_It.27s_Cold_Outside.22
Zeno
2008-01-30 18:24:11 UTC
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:32:30 -0800 (PST), Angry Dave
Post by Simpson
Post by Non-TweedlePug Voter
Post by Simpson
No way in hell the oil companies will continue to eat the increase in
the price of oil for someone who is not one of their own.
And if Obama is NOT elected, gas will go to $5 a gallon.
The question is 'when'?
Big Oil has no incentive to make an Obama administration look good by
continuing to eat the increase in the price of oil instead of passing it
on to consumers with interest.
Multiple, consecutive quarters of "Big Oil" reporting record corporate
profits does not sound like they are "eating" the price increases.
It would seem that Simpson, like other muslims, would prefer a (false)
conspiracy about some injustice, then attempt to understand the facts.
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