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God bless America! God bless president Bush!
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Gretchen Howard
2004-11-20 14:10:09 UTC
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I just had to share a picture of our victorious Bush-Cheney "team."
That's me holding the newspaper with the headlines "Strengthened
Standing." My little sister has on a Bush-Cheney t-shirt, and my
brother holds a Bush-Cheney sign he made all by himself. 3 Cheers for
Victory! 3 Cheers for 4 More Years! Praise Jesus!

To all you losers...GET OVER IT.

AND GET BACK TO GOD!!!!!

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Gretchen Howard
Albany, Oregon.
John
2004-11-20 14:48:29 UTC
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It's the winners who should GET OVER IT. Jesus loves Democrats and liberals
too - maybe even more.
Post by Gretchen Howard
I just had to share a picture of our victorious Bush-Cheney "team."
That's me holding the newspaper with the headlines "Strengthened
Standing." My little sister has on a Bush-Cheney t-shirt, and my
brother holds a Bush-Cheney sign he made all by himself. 3 Cheers for
Victory! 3 Cheers for 4 More Years! Praise Jesus!
To all you losers...GET OVER IT.
AND GET BACK TO GOD!!!!!
http://www.ylcf.org/heartbeat/hello/203/1073/640/wvictory.jpg
Gretchen Howard
Albany, Oregon.
PCameron
2004-11-20 14:54:26 UTC
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Post by Gretchen Howard
I just had to share a picture of our victorious Bush-Cheney "team."
That's me holding the newspaper with the headlines "Strengthened
Standing." My little sister has on a Bush-Cheney t-shirt, and my
brother holds a Bush-Cheney sign he made all by himself. 3 Cheers for
Victory! 3 Cheers for 4 More Years! Praise Jesus!
To all you losers...GET OVER IT.
AND GET BACK TO GOD!!!!!
http://www.ylcf.org/heartbeat/hello/203/1073/640/wvictory.jpg
It is ignorant FUCKS like you that need to get over it. Bush is fooling
you. Beware the great trickster otherwise known as Satan.
Dr. Jean Tant
2004-12-23 23:58:47 UTC
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Post by Gretchen Howard
I just had to share a picture of our victorious Bush-Cheney "team."
That's me holding the newspaper with the headlines "Strengthened
Standing." My little sister has on a Bush-Cheney t-shirt, and my
brother holds a Bush-Cheney sign he made all by himself. 3 Cheers for
Victory! 3 Cheers for 4 More Years! Praise Jesus!
To all you losers...GET OVER IT.
AND GET BACK TO GOD!!!!!
http://www.ylcf.org/heartbeat/hello/203/1073/640/wvictory.jpg
Gretchen Howard
Albany, Oregon.
You are truly a sick, sick person with no idea of what true Americanism is
about.
--
Dr. Jean Tant, President
American Civil Liberties Union of Fort Worth
Telephone 817-534-6883
http://www.aclufw.org
Brian Oakley
2004-12-24 05:06:27 UTC
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Post by Dr. Jean Tant
Post by Gretchen Howard
I just had to share a picture of our victorious Bush-Cheney "team."
That's me holding the newspaper with the headlines "Strengthened
Standing." My little sister has on a Bush-Cheney t-shirt, and my
brother holds a Bush-Cheney sign he made all by himself. 3 Cheers for
Victory! 3 Cheers for 4 More Years! Praise Jesus!
To all you losers...GET OVER IT.
AND GET BACK TO GOD!!!!!
http://www.ylcf.org/heartbeat/hello/203/1073/640/wvictory.jpg
Gretchen Howard
Albany, Oregon.
You are truly a sick, sick person with no idea of what true
Americanism is about.
You better check out the ACLU again. They are not for protecting rights,
but only the rights of those they WISH to protect.
Check out the ACLJ.org website and you will find out a few things about the
ACLU.
B.
Dermot Donovan
2004-12-24 05:25:50 UTC
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Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Dr. Jean Tant
Post by Gretchen Howard
I just had to share a picture of our victorious Bush-Cheney "team."
That's me holding the newspaper with the headlines "Strengthened
Standing." My little sister has on a Bush-Cheney t-shirt, and my
brother holds a Bush-Cheney sign he made all by himself. 3 Cheers for
Victory! 3 Cheers for 4 More Years! Praise Jesus!
To all you losers...GET OVER IT.
AND GET BACK TO GOD!!!!!
http://www.ylcf.org/heartbeat/hello/203/1073/640/wvictory.jpg
Gretchen Howard
Albany, Oregon.
You are truly a sick, sick person with no idea of what true
Americanism is about.
You better check out the ACLU again. They are not for protecting rights,
but only the rights of those they WISH to protect.
Check out the ACLJ.org website and you will find out a few things about the
ACLU.
B.
Why don't you state clearly whose rights we're not protecting and I'll make
sure that we are.

Dermot Donovan
Member, ACLU
Brian Oakley
2004-12-24 21:08:36 UTC
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Post by Dermot Donovan
Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Dr. Jean Tant
Post by Gretchen Howard
I just had to share a picture of our victorious Bush-Cheney "team."
That's me holding the newspaper with the headlines "Strengthened
Standing." My little sister has on a Bush-Cheney t-shirt, and my
brother holds a Bush-Cheney sign he made all by himself. 3 Cheers for
Victory! 3 Cheers for 4 More Years! Praise Jesus!
To all you losers...GET OVER IT.
AND GET BACK TO GOD!!!!!
http://www.ylcf.org/heartbeat/hello/203/1073/640/wvictory.jpg
Gretchen Howard
Albany, Oregon.
You are truly a sick, sick person with no idea of what true
Americanism is about.
You better check out the ACLU again. They are not for protecting rights,
but only the rights of those they WISH to protect.
Check out the ACLJ.org website and you will find out a few things about
the
Post by Brian Oakley
ACLU.
B.
Why don't you state clearly whose rights we're not protecting and I'll make
sure that we are.
Dermot Donovan
Member, ACLU
Well Mr. Donovan, if I believed that the ACLU would protect Christians and
their rights of practicing their faith as much as they protect Muslim and
atheist views, I might believe you. But, I believe the ACLJ will do a much
better, and much more sincere job of that. Thanks
Brian Oakley
Frank Provasek
2004-12-24 21:40:10 UTC
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Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Dermot Donovan
Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Dr. Jean Tant
Post by Gretchen Howard
I just had to share a picture of our victorious Bush-Cheney "team."
That's me holding the newspaper with the headlines "Strengthened
Standing." My little sister has on a Bush-Cheney t-shirt, and my
brother holds a Bush-Cheney sign he made all by himself. 3 Cheers for
Victory! 3 Cheers for 4 More Years! Praise Jesus!
To all you losers...GET OVER IT.
AND GET BACK TO GOD!!!!!
http://www.ylcf.org/heartbeat/hello/203/1073/640/wvictory.jpg
Gretchen Howard
Albany, Oregon.
You are truly a sick, sick person with no idea of what true
Americanism is about.
You better check out the ACLU again. They are not for protecting rights,
but only the rights of those they WISH to protect.
Check out the ACLJ.org website and you will find out a few things about
the
Post by Brian Oakley
ACLU.
B.
Why don't you state clearly whose rights we're not protecting and I'll
make
Post by Dermot Donovan
sure that we are.
Dermot Donovan
Member, ACLU
Well Mr. Donovan, if I believed that the ACLU would protect Christians and
their rights of practicing their faith as much as they protect Muslim and
atheist views, I might believe you. But, I believe the ACLJ will do a much
better, and much more sincere job of that. Thanks
Brian Oakley
Americans have been duped by a right wing campaign to demonize anyone who
supports individual rights. Bush Jr's Daddy made an issue in 1988 that
Democratic candidate Michael Dukakis was a "card-carrying member of the
ACLU." Bush actually crticized a man interested in civil liberties!

One of the founders of the ACLU was HELEN KELLER. Another was Supreme Court
Justice Felix Frankfurter, who became the court's most outspoken advocate of
judicial restraint: he was almost always on the dissenting side of the
Warren court. JANE ADDAMS, Seminary graduate and winner of the 1931 Nobel
Peace Prize.
Prof. James Slaughter
2004-12-25 01:24:07 UTC
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The ACLU is a Jew orgainzation...along with these

N.O.W. - National Organization of Women
NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Planned Parenthood
Nat'l Council of Christians & Jews
Usenet


Enough said


Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-organizations-folder.html
--
James Slaughter, Professor of Biblical Study
Criswell Biblical Institute of Creation Science
Dallas, Texas USA
www.criswell.edu Radio webcast http://www.kcbi.org
Aladdin Sane
2004-12-25 01:53:01 UTC
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And you are a fascist follower of Satan! Your bible states that Satan is a
great deciever, and you are his agent.

Get behind me Satan, and be trampled under the feet of the rightious.
--
*
/?\
/___\
-O=O-
^
AS & His Magic Hat

A conclusion is simply the place
where you decided to stop thinking.
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The ACLU is a Jew orgainzation...along with these
N.O.W. - National Organization of Women
NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Planned Parenthood
Nat'l Council of Christians & Jews
Usenet
Enough said
Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-organizations-folder.html
--
James Slaughter, Professor of Biblical Study
Criswell Biblical Institute of Creation Science
Dallas, Texas USA
www.criswell.edu Radio webcast http://www.kcbi.org
Matty
2004-12-25 11:42:20 UTC
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On 2004-12-25 14:24:07 +1300, "Prof. James Slaughter"
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The ACLU is a Jew orgainzation...along with these
N.O.W. - National Organization of Women NAACP - National Association
for the Advancement of Colored People Planned Parenthood Nat'l Council
of Christians & Jews Usenet
Enough said
Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-organizations-folder.html
And you James, are the reason why there are so many people out there
who hate Americans with a passion equal to that of an English soccer
fan overseas.

Matty
Frank Provasek
2004-12-26 14:10:52 UTC
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Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The ACLU is a Jew orgainzation...along with these
N.O.W. - National Organization of Women
NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Planned Parenthood
Nat'l Council of Christians & Jews
Usenet
Enough said
Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-organizations-folder.html
Scratch a fundamentalist Christian and you'll find an antisemite.
mikejj222
2004-12-26 14:20:05 UTC
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Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The ACLU is a Jew orgainzation...along with these
N.O.W. - National Organization of Women
NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Planned Parenthood
Nat'l Council of Christians & Jews
Usenet
Enough said
Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-organizations-folder.html
Scratch a fundamentalist Christian and you'll find an antisemite.
Provasek? Theres a Polish jew if I ever heard one. Okey, we all know
you are a kike. Second, you must separate the theology of Islam from the
races that practice it. Nigger Muslims are the most barbaric. And in
fact, regardless of what theology blacks practice, they still act
equally barbaric. Now, lets look at arabs who practice Islam. they are
not as barbaric, even though they are still far from perfect. Finally,
the Jewish race, regardless of what religion they practice, are the most
genocidal race on this planet. For example, they killed 100 million
whites during the Jewish Bolshevic government in Russia. Kikes are enemy
of all races. Blacks are just stupid, they don't know what they are
doing. But Jews are very intelligent, they are planning the destruction
of the whole Gentile world, with only Israel standing in the end.
Frank Provasek
2004-12-26 14:48:54 UTC
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Post by mikejj222
Provasek? Theres a Polish jew if I ever heard one. Okey, we all know
you are a kike. Second, you must separate the theology of Islam from the
races that practice it. Nigger Muslims are the most barbaric.
Sorry, I am a Czech Roman Catholic.
mikejj222
2004-12-26 21:27:04 UTC
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Post by Frank Provasek
Post by mikejj222
Provasek? Theres a Polish jew if I ever heard one. Okey, we all know
you are a kike. Second, you must separate the theology of Islam from the
races that practice it. Nigger Muslims are the most barbaric.
Sorry, I am a Czech Roman Catholic.
I bet you were a alter boy that got fucked by the preists everyday. Did
any of these minions of Satan (the Whore Roman Catholic Church) teach
you to hate true patriots? I didn't think so you peace-nick. You're the
kid who got beat up every day in school and every day told the "sister",
which of course only increased the intensity of the beatings. If you had
only stood up and punched back you would have found that the beatings
would have stopped. Have you learned nothing from you repeated ass
kickings in school? Apparently not, because all you want to do in
retaliation to an attack on our soil is be an apologist....

PRAISE JESUS THAT GEORGE W BUSH IS OUR PRESIDENT !!!!!
Pastor Joey Faust
2004-12-26 21:37:26 UTC
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Post by mikejj222
I bet you were a alter boy that got fucked by the preists everyday.
Did
Post by mikejj222
any of these minions of Satan (the Whore Roman Catholic Church) teach
you to hate true patriots? I didn't think so you peace-nick. You're the
kid who got beat up every day in school and every day told the
"sister",
Post by mikejj222
which of course only increased the intensity of the beatings. If you had
only stood up and punched back you would have found that the beatings
would have stopped. Have you learned nothing from you repeated ass
kickings in school? Apparently not, because all you want to do in
retaliation to an attack on our soil is be an apologist....
PRAISE JESUS THAT GEORGE W BUSH IS OUR PRESIDENT !!!!!
SODOMY IN THE CATHOLIC CLERGY: STAGESETTING FOR REVELATION 17

"Kansas City, Mo., Jan. 30 - AIDS has quietly caused the deaths of
hundreds of Roman Catholic priests in the United States although other
causes may be listed on some of their death certificates, The Kansas
City Star reported in its Sunday editions. In the first of a three-part
series, the newspaper reported that its examination of death
certificates and interviews with experts indicated several hundred
priests had died of AIDS-related illnesses since the mid-1980s and
hundreds more are living with HIV, the virus that causes the disease.
The death rate of priests from AIDS is at least four times that of the
general population, the newspaper said...." (AP, 2000)

"Los Angeles - More than 100 people in the nation's largest Catholic
diocese have complained to authorities in recent months of sexual abuse
by priests, authorities said Thursday....Authorities said the complaints
in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles surfaced after the priest abuse
scandal emerged in Boston in March, then erupted nationally....Officials
with the Archdiocese of Anchorage said national guidelines adopted at a
Roman Catholic bishops conference are flawed but a crucial first step in
publicly dealing with pedophile priests...." (AP, June 21, 2002)

The media (at least in the news reports I have read online) has been
busy reporting on the scandals occurring in the Catholic Church.
Unfortunately, the true sin ("sodomy") is not named. A generic,
politically correct phrase such as "sexual abuse" is often used to
soften the blow to the media's favorite "Christian" denomination, and
keep the homosexuals happy and "gay." What will be the general, ultimate
response to the now widely publicized sodomy, child abuse, drug dealing,
and disgusting perversion in the Roman Catholic clergy? These sins among
the clergy are nothing new. In spite of feigned outrage, they will be
largely ignored, just as they always have been.

Whatever the responses, two things are certain. First, the Bible
predicts that Rome, and her religion headquartered there, will be a
worldwide center of fornications and moral perversion:

Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour,
and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup
in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

There is a figurative fornication revealed in Revelation 17. It speaks
of the political courting of this so-called church, and her unholy union
of church and state (Revelation 17:2, 18). Yet, she is also the mother
of the ABOMINATIONS of the earth. Sodomy is an abomination (Leviticus
20:13). Therefore, Rome will also be the root and haven of LITERAL
fornication and abominations. Like both the Rome of ancient days, and
Rome throughout the dark ages, Rome future (and its religion) will
continue to become the center and shelter of LITERAL sexual perversion!
The woman's cup is filled with FORNICATION and abominations (17:4). The
fact that this is also literal (as well as containing figurative truth)
can be seen from the fact that the woman's cup also contains BLOOD
(17:6). Yet, almost all commentators teach that the blood by which the
woman is drunken is the LITERAL blood of the saints. Therefore, if the
woman's cup contains blood, and this blood is literal, then it should
reasonably follow that the fornications in the same cup are also
literal. Since the woman is drunken by blood, the Holy Spirit is
defining one of the ABOMINATIONS (plural, 17:5) in the woman's cup to be
MURDER (17:6). The Bible plainly calls the murder of the innocent an
ABOMINATION to God:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an
ABOMINATION unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and HANDS THAT SHED INNOCENT BLOOD,

This abomination in the cup (i.e. murder) is certainly literal.
Therefore, it would be reasonable to conclude that the fornication in
the cup is also literal, and that other abominations (e.g. sodomy, etc.)
will also be found in Rome in the last days. Sorcery, thefts, murder and
fornication are all literally the major sins of mankind in the last days
(Revelation 9:21). It is therefore reasonable to conclude that the main,
world-dominating, influential city in the Tribulation period will be the
promoter of these same LITERAL vices. This is why the Holy Ghost reveals
that Rome's cup contains these literal abominations. Rome in its final
days will not only be a center of idolatry, a state-church, and false
religion, it will be a city that spawns LITERAL FORNICATION and MURDER
throughout the world. We have seen this in the past in Pagan Rome and
Papal Rome. It will likewise be Rome's destiny in the future. The sodomy
and fornication rampant among priests in the present is another sign
that the Tribulation age is rapidly approaching. Let us watch and pray!

This bring us to the second point, already noticed somewhat: In spite of
the bad publicity the Roman Catholic organization is presently receiving
in the press, it is certain that its influence or impact will NOT,
ultimately, be diminished. Whatever temporary setbacks it may suffer, it
will continue its rise to power until it finally and completely fulfils
Revelation 17 in the future, Tribulation period.

While we pray that many individual Catholics will use this time to
reconsider the claims of Rome, the majority of people will simply
respond to the perversion of priests in the same manner that they
responded to the perversions of former president Clinton in the White
House. Many will see this perversion as a necessary evil; others will
actually welcome it, since it provides a cloak for their OWN perversions
and debauchery.

Roman Catholicism, unfortunately, is here to stay - at least until
Revelation 17:16. The masses will respond to the modern perversion of
priests in the same manner in which they responded to the perversion of
earlier priests throughout history. The sexual immorality of Catholic
priests is not a new problem. Historically, it has been linked to the
celibacy of the Catholic clergy by a number of writers. Sodomy is one of
the last depravities into which rebellious man falls before his
destruction (see Romans 1, Genesis 19). Therefore, it is true that
depraved man will indulge in this sin, with or without the unbiblical
doctrine of a celibate clergy. On the other hand, this evil doctrine
makes provision for this sin, and helps hasten the damnation of a
nation.

An anonymous writer, in 1844, wrote, "Romanism: Incompatible with
Republican Institutions (by Civis)." In this work, the writer states:

"The celibacy of the clergy tends still more directly to the destruction
of morality. The history of the church abounds with evidence that where
the clergy have been confined by their rules of discipline to a life of
celibacy, they have been the most industrious promoters of
licentiousness. Hear what Claude D'Espence says on this subject, a
divine of the Romish church. He complains as follows: 'Shameful to
relate they give permission to their priests to have concubines, etc.,
upon the payment of annual tribute. And in some places they oblige them
to pay the tax, saying they may use the privilege if they please.' We
forbear to multiply passages of this nature, not because they are rare,
but because the recital would be offensive to the reader....Wielding the
power of the confessional, the master of the secret actions and thoughts
of the females of their communion, they hold in their power the most
potent means for their corruption." (p.70).

Alexander Hislop, writing in, "The Two Babylons" argues similarly:

"The records of all nations where priestly celibacy has been introduced
have proved that, instead of ministering to the purity of those
condemned to it, it has only plunged them in the deepest
pollution....The excesses committed by the celibate priests of Bacchus
in Pagan Rome in their secret Mysteries, were such that the Senate felt
called upon to expel them from the bounds of the Roman republic. In
Papal Rome the same abominations have flowed from priestly celibacy, in
connection with the corrupt and corrupting system of the
confessional....Out of a thousand facts of similar kind, let one only be
adduced, vouched for by the distinguished Roman Catholic historian De
Thou. When Pope Paul V. meditated the suppression of the licensed
brothels in the 'Holy City,' the Roman Senate petitioned against his
carrying his design into effect, on the ground that the existence of
such places was the only means of HINDERING THE PRIESTS FROM SEDUCING
THEIR WIVES AND DAUGHTERS!!" (p.220)

"The Manual of Universal Church History," by Alzog, bears the Imprimatur
of the Archbishop of Cincinnati. In this volume, Catholic historian,
Alzog states:

"There were eighty councils held in France during the eleventh century,
and of these there was not a single one in which a protest of the
fathers was not directed against the lawlessness and brigandage of the
laity and the unchastity and simony of the clergy....The gradual decline
in papal influence and the evil example of the lives of some Popes
reacted with terrible effect upon the morals of the
bishops....Concubinage was the crying vice among the clergy of many
dioceses....The dissoluteness of morals rapidly infected the laity, who
learned from those whose lives should have been examples of manly
honesty and priestly honor to put a light estimate on the virtue of
purity....Some professed to believe that the marriage of the clergy was
the only adequate remedy for the evil; but others...maintained that the
well-being of the Church depended on the rule of celibacy...."
(Vol. II., p.368, 928-31).

The historical work, "Lives of the Popes," by Catholic writer, Ludwig
Pastor, was drawn from the secret archives of the Vatican. The work was
praised by the Pope and dedicated to him. Pastor writes:

"But this [prostitution] was not the worst of the maladies which the
false renaissance brought upon Italy....There is unmistakable evidence
of the revival of the horrible national vice of the Greeks [i.e.
sodomy]....It made its way into the lower ranks also....many of the
monasteries were in a most deplorable condition. The three essential
vows of poverty, chastity and obedience, were in some convents almost
entirely disregarded...Sixtus IV found it necessary to direct a Bull
against some Carmelites in Bolgna who had maintained that there was no
harm in asking for things from demons...."

Pastor also documents the immoral lives of many of the popes. Will
Durant, an atheist historian, also quotes Pastor for his history. He
documents that it is the tendency of people to accept immorality as
normal in the Catholic clergy:

"Alexander VI, like Luther and Calvin, thought clerical celibacy a
mistake, and begot five or more children before subsiding into
reasonable continence as a pope....a certain amorousness was THEN
ACCEPTED AS USUAL in the clergy....Some confessors solicited sexual
favors from female penitents. Thousands of priests had concubines; in
Germany nearly all. In Rome it was assumed that priests kept concubines;
and some reports estimated the prostitutes there at 6,000 in a
population not exceeding 100,000. To quote again a Catholic historian
[Pastor, "History of the Popes," V, 457]:

'It is not surprising, when the highest ranks of clergy were in such a
state, that among the regular orders and secular priests vice and
irregularities of all sorts should become more and more common....But it
is a mistake to suppose that the corruption of the clergy was worse in
Rome than elsewhere; there is documentary evidence of the immorality of
the priests in almost every town in the Italian peninsula....Their
immorality was so gross that suggestions in favor of allowing priests to
marry began to be heard.'

....Bishop Hardouin of Angers reported (1428) that the clergy of his
diocese did not count concubinage a sin, and that they made no attempt
to disguise their use of it. In Pomerania, about 1500, such unions were
RECOGNIZED BY THE PEOPLE AS REASONABLE, and were encouraged by them as
protection for their daughters and wives....Wyclif, Langland, Gower, and
Chaucer agreed in noting a predilection, among monks and friars, for
good food and bad women...."
(Will Durant, "The Reformation," 1957, pp.13)

Again, temporary movements of apparent reformation aside, the final
result will be that Rome, through Satanic seduction, will rise in
dominion over the entire world. In fact, so many people's minds are so
perverted through TV, movies, and the Internet, the publicized actions
of these priests will only serve to PROMOTE and SANCTIFY sodomy and
sexual child abuse in the minds of many.

Historically, it appears that it was no secret in the minds of political
and Roman Catholic leaders, or in the minds of the masses at large, that
clerical celibacy contributed to the moral depravity of the priests. In
fact, many no doubt sought (and still seek) the priesthood for the
purpose of increasing their opportunities for vile perversion. What is
the reason that this wicked restriction is left in place? Jeremiah J.
Crowley (a well-known, former priest), in 1912, states that Rome uses
the corruption to wield power:

"Why this rank, rampant immorality among the Roman Catholic hierarchy?
Priestly celibacy and auricular confession, I assert, are chiefly
responsible. Priestly celibacy and auricular confession ever have been,
and are now, prolific sources of crime and licentiousness. Pope Gregory
VII, in the eleventh century, imposed the unnatural law of priestly
celibacy, notwithstanding the vehement protests of the priests, the vast
majority of whom had wives and legitimate children. This decree, making
priestly marriage a wrong and priestly celibacy a virtue, has honey-
combed the Roman Catholic Church with corruption. Pope Gregory VII, and
his infallible successors, in imposing priestly celibacy, WERE ACTUATED
BY POLITICAL rather than virtuous motives. This was generally
admitted....In 1907 three thousand French priests signed and sent a
petition to Pope Pius, praying for the abolition of priestly celibacy.
All of these priests were past the marrying age themselves, but were
speaking from the weight of responsibility thrust upon them by
confession. This appeal was consigned to the papal wastebasket. Dr.
Robert E. Speer, the noted secretary of the Presbyterian Board of
Missions, recently wrote:

'The celibacy of the priesthood had seemed to me a monstrous and wicked
theory, but I had believed that men who took the vow were true to
it....But the deadly evidence spread out all over South America,
confronting one in every district to which he goes; evidence legally
convincing, morally sickening, proves to him that, whatever may be the
case in other lands, in South America the stream of the church is
polluted at its fountains.'

Rome is ever and everywhere the same. She prefers priestly celibacy with
concubinage to priestly marriage....Among those who have been compelled
to flee to escape chastisement, or perhaps death, from outraged
husbands, fathers, brothers, or lynching by the community at large, are:
The Most Rev. Bertram Orth, lately Archbishop of Victoria, British
Columbia. The Right Rev. Thomas F. Brennan, formerly Bishop of Dallas,
Texas. The Right Rev. Timothy O'Mahony, late Auxiliary Bishop of
Toronto, Canada, formerly of Australia, and Cork, Ireland. The Right
Rev. Monsignor Capel, formerly of England. The Right Rev. Monsignor
Fowler, formerly of Sioux City, Iowa, and Philippine Islands. Rev. W.R.
Thompson, formerly of Portland, Oregon. Rev. Lawrence Erhardt, formerly
of Chicago. Rev. F.J. Knipper, formerly of Troy, Ohio. Rev. Levis T.
McGinn, formerly of Brooklyn, New York. SOME OF THESE WERE GUILTY OF THE
CRIME OF SODOMY - A CRIME, ALAS! TO WHICH MONKS, PRIESTS, PRELATES, AND
EVEN POPES, THE 'VICARS OF CHRIST,' ARE NOT STRANGERS. The number of
similar offenders is legion, and no wonder! The vast majority of
priests, prelates, and other members of the Hierarchy are driven into
immorality by priestly celibacy and auricular confession. THIS WHOLESALE
DEMORALIZATION WAS ONE OF THE PRINCIPLE MOTIVES FOR INSTITUTING CELIBACY
AND AURICULAR CONFESSION. THE RESLUT ACCOMPLISHED IS JUST WHAT THE
VATICAN MACHINE WANTED. THIS DEMORALIZATION COMPELS WICKED PRIESTS,
PRELATES AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HIERARCHY, OF BOTH SEXES, TO STAND BY
EACH OTHER AND FOR THE VATICAN SYSTEM, THEIR AXIOM BEING, 'Standum est
pro auctoritate per fas aut nefas' (Stand by authority, right or wrong).
IT IS THE SAME PRINCIPLE AS IS FOUND AMONG CORRUPT POLITICIANS, WHO FOR
THEIR OWN PROTECTION, ARE COMPELLED TO STAND BY EACH OTHER AND FOR THEIR
POLITICAL MACHINE. Rome, thoroughly aware of its diabolical crimes, for
its own protection promotes the shrewdest of her demoralized
ecclesiastics to the very highest offices...." ("Romanism: A Menace to
the Nation")

As with so many other things occurring in the world today, the sodomy
among Catholic clergy is a stage-setting sign that the time of the end
is upon us. Let us use this opportunity to help Catholics see and admit
that Rome is not infallible as she claims, and the only way to be saved
in eternity is through faith in the Gospel.
reality
2004-12-28 22:51:54 UTC
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Post by mikejj222
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The ACLU is a Jew orgainzation...along with these
N.O.W. - National Organization of Women
NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Planned Parenthood
Nat'l Council of Christians & Jews
Usenet
Enough said
Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-organizations-folder.html
Scratch a fundamentalist Christian and you'll find an antisemite.
Provasek? Theres a Polish jew if I ever heard one. Okey, we all know
you are a kike. Second, you must separate the theology of Islam from the
races that practice it. Nigger Muslims are the most barbaric. And in
fact, regardless of what theology blacks practice, they still act
equally barbaric. Now, lets look at arabs who practice Islam. they are
not as barbaric, even though they are still far from perfect.
Finally,
Post by mikejj222
the Jewish race, regardless of what religion they practice, are the most
genocidal race on this planet. For example, they killed 100 million
whites during the Jewish Bolshevic government in Russia. Kikes are enemy
of all races. Blacks are just stupid, they don't know what they are
doing. But Jews are very intelligent, they are planning the
destruction
Post by mikejj222
of the whole Gentile world, with only Israel standing in the end.
Another refreshing example from the religious right wing of the
compassion for his fellow human beings, forgiveness, and the love for
mankind that Jesus taught to his followers that they should embrace
during this glorious Christmas season and throughout their lives.
Alabama Pete
2004-12-29 05:07:21 UTC
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Post by mikejj222
Post by mikejj222
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The ACLU is a Jew orgainzation...along with these
N.O.W. - National Organization of Women
NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Planned Parenthood
Nat'l Council of Christians & Jews
Usenet
Enough said
Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-organizations-folder.html
Scratch a fundamentalist Christian and you'll find an antisemite.
Provasek? Theres a Polish jew if I ever heard one. Okey, we all know
you are a kike. Second, you must separate the theology of Islam from
the
Post by mikejj222
races that practice it. Nigger Muslims are the most barbaric. And in
fact, regardless of what theology blacks practice, they still act
equally barbaric. Now, lets look at arabs who practice Islam. they
are
Post by mikejj222
not as barbaric, even though they are still far from perfect.
Finally,
Post by mikejj222
the Jewish race, regardless of what religion they practice, are the
most
Post by mikejj222
genocidal race on this planet. For example, they killed 100 million
whites during the Jewish Bolshevic government in Russia. Kikes are
enemy
Post by mikejj222
of all races. Blacks are just stupid, they don't know what they are
doing. But Jews are very intelligent, they are planning the
destruction
Post by mikejj222
of the whole Gentile world, with only Israel standing in the end.
Another refreshing example from the religious right wing of the
compassion for his fellow human beings, forgiveness, and the love for
mankind that Jesus taught to his followers that they should embrace
during this glorious Christmas season and throughout their lives.
Jesus also taught to point out sin when we see it.
--
Visit the Christian Defense League Website
http://www.cdlreport.com/
Stop Jewish Domination
http://www.jewwatch.com
reality
2004-12-29 05:42:17 UTC
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Post by Alabama Pete
Post by mikejj222
Post by mikejj222
Provasek? Theres a Polish jew if I ever heard one. Okey, we all know
you are a kike. Second, you must separate the theology of Islam from
the
Post by mikejj222
races that practice it. Nigger Muslims are the most barbaric. And in
fact, regardless of what theology blacks practice, they still act
equally barbaric. Now, lets look at arabs who practice Islam. they
are
Post by mikejj222
not as barbaric, even though they are still far from perfect.
Finally,
Post by mikejj222
the Jewish race, regardless of what religion they practice, are the
most
Post by mikejj222
genocidal race on this planet. For example, they killed 100
million
Post by Alabama Pete
Post by mikejj222
Post by mikejj222
whites during the Jewish Bolshevic government in Russia. Kikes are
enemy
Post by mikejj222
of all races. Blacks are just stupid, they don't know what they are
doing. But Jews are very intelligent, they are planning the
destruction
Post by mikejj222
of the whole Gentile world, with only Israel standing in the end.
Another refreshing example from the religious right wing of the
compassion for his fellow human beings, forgiveness, and the love for
mankind that Jesus taught to his followers that they should embrace
during this glorious Christmas season and throughout their lives.
Jesus also taught to point out sin when we see it.
What's your point?

Those without sin - like you - should throw the first stone? LMAO
<rolling my eyes>
Basically, you're a tattletale that no one is listening to. <snicker>
Topaz
2004-12-27 01:17:09 UTC
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Jews say that being "anti-Semitic" is a terrible crime. Do they say
being "anti-Arab" is a terrible crime? What about "anti-Christian", or
"anti-German"? Of course the Jews think
they are special. Any other group could be our enemy, but not the
Jews, they say. The Jews tell us the Arabs are our enemies. The
Jewish controlled media tells us that the Jews are America's only
friend in the Middle East. The truth is that before the Jews America
didn't have any enemies in the Middle East.

Americans had a revolution when they were ruled by the British. If
the British accused
them of being "anti-British" would the Americans throw down their guns
and apologize?
Now that America is ruled by the Jews it is no insult to be called
"anti-Semite". The insult is that they think we care about their self
serving verbiage.

The Jewish controlled media said the French were "cheese eating
surrender monkeys". Why can't the French howl "anti-French" like the
Jews howl "anti-Semite"? Because the French don't control the media,
Jews do.

This is what President Nixon said:

http://www.hnn.us/comments/15664.html

"There may be some truth in that if the Arabs have some complaints
about my
policy towards Israel, they have to realize that the Jews in the U.S.
control
the entire information and propaganda machine, the large newspapers,
the
motion pictures, radio and television, and the big companies. And
there is a
force that we have to take into consideration."


www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.altermedia.info http://www.RealNews247.com
Matty
2004-12-27 13:07:47 UTC
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Post by Topaz
Jews say that being "anti-Semitic" is a terrible crime. Do they say
being "anti-Arab" is a terrible crime? What about "anti-Christian", or
"anti-German"? Of course the Jews think
they are special. Any other group could be our enemy, but not the
Jews, they say. The Jews tell us the Arabs are our enemies. The
Jewish controlled media tells us that the Jews are America's only
friend in the Middle East. The truth is that before the Jews America
didn't have any enemies in the Middle East.
Americans had a revolution when they were ruled by the British. If
the British accused them of being "anti-British" would the Americans
throw down their guns
and apologize?
Now that America is ruled by the Jews it is no insult to be called
"anti-Semite". The insult is that they think we care about their self
serving verbiage.
The Jewish controlled media said the French were "cheese eating
surrender monkeys". Why can't the French howl "anti-French" like the
Jews howl "anti-Semite"? Because the French don't control the media,
Jews do.
http://www.hnn.us/comments/15664.html
"There may be some truth in that if the Arabs have some complaints
about my policy towards Israel, they have to realize that the Jews in the U.S.
control the entire information and propaganda machine, the large newspapers,
the motion pictures, radio and television, and the big companies. And
there is a force that we have to take into consideration."
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.altermedia.info http://www.RealNews247.com
There is, however, a flaw in your argument; the most ardent and
outspoekn supporters of Israel happen to he non-Jewish, Conrade Black,
for example, is the prime example of it.

Matty
Topaz
2004-12-28 00:19:03 UTC
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Post by Matty
There is, however, a flaw in your argument; the most ardent and
outspoekn supporters of Israel happen to he non-Jewish, Conrade Black,
for example, is the prime example of it.
It's like in the movie "They Live". Notice the scene where "they"
have a meeting and their human traitors are with them.
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.altermedia.info http://www.RealNews247.com
JTEM
2004-12-28 07:31:17 UTC
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The only difference between me & the original
Nostradamus was that he had an archaic version
of French on his side, as well as the ability to
convince a lot of stupid people that made-up
words were really very clever anagrams &
such.

However, I do have an ace up my sleeve. You
see, *I've* got AltaVista's online "babelfish"
translator. I can type things in English then,
after translating them back & forth between a
half dozen or so languages, arrive at something
just incomprehensible enough to pass off as
genius.

And it is genius. Nay, "a gift." I see the
future, ladies & gentlemen, and I present it
to you below. No lie. You should all worship
me and my powers.


#1)
"hello"? the formulation? in the large lowest
point 2005

#2)
Bush n'accomplit never a second border

#3)
Not other crisis d'huile, no doubt, perhaps
included other exclusion as producteurs
folded his muscle.

#4)
L'étoile does not fall croissamment on rice. It
cannot reach their post office of the section
d'état, but for long.

#5)
Whoever appearred point before, the despot
saudische "save"? ; we iraq.

#6)
Well, thus potentially it could hang for other
year, but of course for the following four
years sure. The dad won't sees in 2009.


NOTE: Only the first amazingly accurate
prediction deals specifically with 2005. The
remaining five could take place in the next
year, but they are not quite so time-dependent.

If you should ever come across anything that
appears to even remotely match one of these
predictions, please invest heavily into
advertising my stupefying powers to the world
at large. Thank you in advance.
Edward W.
2004-12-28 16:52:13 UTC
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Absolutly amazing!!

You sound just like Nostradumass...............
--
Edward W.
El Paso, TX

"Life is easy with eyes closed"
Post by JTEM
The only difference between me & the original
Nostradamus was that he had an archaic version
of French on his side, as well as the ability to
convince a lot of stupid people that made-up
words were really very clever anagrams &
such.
However, I do have an ace up my sleeve. You
see, *I've* got AltaVista's online "babelfish"
translator. I can type things in English then,
after translating them back & forth between a
half dozen or so languages, arrive at something
just incomprehensible enough to pass off as
genius.
And it is genius. Nay, "a gift." I see the
future, ladies & gentlemen, and I present it
to you below. No lie. You should all worship
me and my powers.
#1)
"hello"? the formulation? in the large lowest
point 2005
#2)
Bush n'accomplit never a second border
#3)
Not other crisis d'huile, no doubt, perhaps
included other exclusion as producteurs
folded his muscle.
#4)
L'étoile does not fall croissamment on rice. It
cannot reach their post office of the section
d'état, but for long.
#5)
Whoever appearred point before, the despot
saudische "save"? ; we iraq.
#6)
Well, thus potentially it could hang for other
year, but of course for the following four
years sure. The dad won't sees in 2009.
NOTE: Only the first amazingly accurate
prediction deals specifically with 2005. The
remaining five could take place in the next
year, but they are not quite so time-dependent.
If you should ever come across anything that
appears to even remotely match one of these
predictions, please invest heavily into
advertising my stupefying powers to the world
at large. Thank you in advance.
JTEM
2005-01-02 19:31:55 UTC
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Post by Edward W.
Absolutly amazing!!
You sound just like Nostradumass...............
Really? What does that sound like?
reality
2004-12-28 22:58:11 UTC
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Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The ACLU is a Jew orgainzation...along with these
N.O.W. - National Organization of Women
NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Planned Parenthood
Nat'l Council of Christians & Jews
Usenet
Enough said
Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-organizations-folder.html
--
James Slaughter, Professor of Biblical Study
Criswell Biblical Institute of Creation Science
Dallas, Texas USA
www.criswell.edu Radio webcast http://www.kcbi.org
So apparently your ultra whacked-out k00ky version of Jesus teaches
that hatred is a virtue.

Scary. Truly scary.
Alabama Pete
2004-12-29 05:43:06 UTC
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Post by reality
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The ACLU is a Jew orgainzation...along with these
N.O.W. - National Organization of Women
NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Planned Parenthood
Nat'l Council of Christians & Jews
Usenet
Enough said
Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-organizations-folder.html
--
James Slaughter, Professor of Biblical Study
Criswell Biblical Institute of Creation Science
Dallas, Texas USA
www.criswell.edu Radio webcast http://www.kcbi.org
So apparently your ultra whacked-out k00ky version of Jesus teaches
that hatred is a virtue.
Scary. Truly scary.
Christians love everyome but they hate sin, and bible belivers must point
out the truth of scripture. God created ALL people and his law applies
to ALL people which is why civil laws must be based on Gods laws.
--
Visit the Christian Defense League Website
http://www.cdlreport.com/
Stop Jewish Domination
http://www.jewwatch.com
reality
2004-12-29 05:59:31 UTC
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Post by Alabama Pete
Post by reality
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The ACLU is a Jew orgainzation...along with these
N.O.W. - National Organization of Women
NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Planned Parenthood
Nat'l Council of Christians & Jews
Usenet
Enough said
Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-organizations-folder.html
--
James Slaughter, Professor of Biblical Study
Criswell Biblical Institute of Creation Science
Dallas, Texas USA
www.criswell.edu Radio webcast http://www.kcbi.org
So apparently your ultra whacked-out k00ky version of Jesus teaches
that hatred is a virtue.
Scary. Truly scary.
Christians love everyome but they hate sin, and bible belivers must point
out the truth of scripture. God created ALL people and his law applies
to ALL people which is why civil laws must be based on Gods laws.
So now it's a *sin* to be Jewish?

Looks to me like what you're saying is that you hate everyone who
disagrees with *your* version of religious 'scripture'.
By the way, Jesus was the King of the Jews, if I recall correctly.
Alabama Pete
2004-12-29 06:58:19 UTC
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Post by reality
news:1104274691.786537.274520
Post by Alabama Pete
Post by reality
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The ACLU is a Jew orgainzation...along with these
N.O.W. - National Organization of Women
NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Planned Parenthood
Nat'l Council of Christians & Jews
Usenet
Enough said
Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-organizations-folder.html
--
James Slaughter, Professor of Biblical Study
Criswell Biblical Institute of Creation Science
Dallas, Texas USA
www.criswell.edu Radio webcast http://www.kcbi.org
So apparently your ultra whacked-out k00ky version of Jesus teaches
that hatred is a virtue.
Scary. Truly scary.
Christians love everyome but they hate sin, and bible belivers must
point
Post by Alabama Pete
out the truth of scripture. God created ALL people and his law
applies
Post by Alabama Pete
to ALL people which is why civil laws must be based on Gods laws.
So now it's a *sin* to be Jewish?
Looks to me like what you're saying is that you hate everyone who
disagrees with *your* version of religious 'scripture'.
By the way, Jesus was the King of the Jews, if I recall correctly.
You dont think putting our Savior to death is a sin? The JEWS demanded
CRUCIFY HIM!
--
Visit the Christian Defense League Website
http://www.cdlreport.com/
Stop Jewish Domination
http://www.jewwatch.com
Merlin Dorfman
2004-12-29 20:02:00 UTC
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...
Post by Alabama Pete
Post by reality
Looks to me like what you're saying is that you hate everyone who
disagrees with *your* version of religious 'scripture'.
By the way, Jesus was the King of the Jews, if I recall correctly.
You dont think putting our Savior to death is a sin? The JEWS demanded
CRUCIFY HIM!
No Jew, and no other person, now living put your Savior to death
or demanded it. Why will you blame an individual for something he or
she had nothing to do with?
reality
2004-12-29 21:05:31 UTC
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Post by Merlin Dorfman
...
Post by Alabama Pete
Post by reality
Looks to me like what you're saying is that you hate everyone who
disagrees with *your* version of religious 'scripture'.
By the way, Jesus was the King of the Jews, if I recall correctly.
You dont think putting our Savior to death is a sin? The JEWS demanded
CRUCIFY HIM!
No Jew, and no other person, now living put your Savior to death
or demanded it. Why will you blame an individual for something he or
she had nothing to do with?
Exactly.
TeranewsUser
2004-12-29 21:21:12 UTC
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Post by Alabama Pete
You dont think putting our Savior to death is a sin? The JEWS
demanded CRUCIFY HIM!
Congratulations, moron. Your idiotic statement accusing the Jews of
deicide is what allowed the Nazi Party to commit the Holocaust. You are
now in great company, moron. You and Adolf Hitler now share the same,
racist, idiotic view. And idiot, you probably won't understand this,
but modern-day secular and religious codes of ethics consider it immoral to
hold an entire group responsible for the actions of one person -- or a few
people -- in the group. Thus, all Jews who lived somewhere in the Roman
Empire who happened to be alive in the 1st century CE cannot be held
responsible for the actions of a single mob in Jerusalem influenced by the
Jewish temple leadership.
Merlin Dorfman
2004-12-29 22:57:33 UTC
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Post by TeranewsUser
Post by Alabama Pete
You dont think putting our Savior to death is a sin? The JEWS
demanded CRUCIFY HIM!
Congratulations, moron. Your idiotic statement accusing the Jews of
deicide is what allowed the Nazi Party to commit the Holocaust. You are
now in great company, moron. You and Adolf Hitler now share the same,
racist, idiotic view. And idiot, you probably won't understand this,
but modern-day secular and religious codes of ethics consider it immoral to
hold an entire group responsible for the actions of one person -- or a few
people -- in the group. Thus, all Jews who lived somewhere in the Roman
Empire who happened to be alive in the 1st century CE cannot be held
responsible for the actions of a single mob in Jerusalem influenced by the
Jewish temple leadership.
Some additional points:
- The Romans actually did the crucifying. Why are all Jews to blame
for the words of a few, while all Italians are not to blame for the
actions of a few?
- I'm far from an expert in religion, but wasn't it necessary for
Jesus to die in order for him to take the burden of the sins of
mankind on himself? In other words, if the inhabitants of ancient
Israel had not asked for Jesus to be crucified, and if the
occupiers had not complied, Pete and all other Christians could not
be saved.
Sheldon England
2004-12-30 17:50:38 UTC
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Hi.

I have some early Canadian coins I may consider selling and am wondering
if this/these is/are the right forums to post such a request.

I was going to post to the coin collecting newsgroup but it seems to be
filled with all sorts of religious assholes displaying a total lack of
respect for others (in that best of Christian/Jew/Muslim tolerant
style). If those morons would keep their inane lunacy here I'll keep my
coin posts in the coin forums.

Deal?

Thanks!


- Sheldon
reality
2004-12-29 20:45:35 UTC
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Post by Alabama Pete
Post by reality
So now it's a *sin* to be Jewish?
Looks to me like what you're saying is that you hate everyone who
disagrees with *your* version of religious 'scripture'.
By the way, Jesus was the King of the Jews, if I recall correctly.
You dont think putting our Savior to death is a sin?
Haven't you ever heard that He suffered on the cross for your sins <of
which hating thy neighbor is apparently one that you practice
regularly> and was resurrected? It was God's will that Jesus was
crucifyed. Dying of old age just wouldn't have had the same impact.
Just look at the symbols of Christianity that are tied to the
crucifiction. The cross. Good Friday. Palm Sunday. Easter.
Communion. To name a few.

Everyone in Jesus' day (including non-Jewish) who were in power
positions, or who were among the religious elite, that felt threatened
by someone (such as Jesus who was gaining a following) had their hands
in the crucifictions of many people for many reasons. Crucifying
someone on trumped up charges or just plain rumors was commonplace.
The crowd mentality takes over when the powerful tell you that someone
is guilty of a capital crime and deserves to die.

Just look at the shameful Texas death penalty system where more than
one innocent man has been put down by the needle.
Post by Alabama Pete
The JEWS demanded
CRUCIFY HIM!
I'll bet you hate more than just Jews. :)
TeranewsUser
2004-12-29 21:22:50 UTC
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Post by reality
Post by Alabama Pete
The JEWS demanded
CRUCIFY HIM!
I'll bet you hate more than just Jews. :)
I am sure he hates Jews, Black, Hispanics, and just about anyone who does
not shave his head and hide in the woods of Idaho with an M-16.
Frank Provasek
2004-12-29 07:06:15 UTC
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Post by reality
So now it's a *sin* to be Jewish?
Looks to me like what you're saying is that you hate everyone who
disagrees with *your* version of religious 'scripture'.
By the way, Jesus was the King of the Jews, if I recall correctly.
In 1980, the Rev. Bailey Smith, president of the Southern Baptist
Convention, said at the Religious Roundtable national affairs briefing in
Dallas that "God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew" to thunderous
applause.
Merlin Dorfman
2004-12-29 19:59:58 UTC
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...
Post by Alabama Pete
Christians love everyome but they hate sin, and bible belivers must point
out the truth of scripture. God created ALL people and his law applies
to ALL people which is why civil laws must be based on Gods laws.
And those civil laws must apply even to those who don't believe
the above, or who believe God created a different set of laws than
those you believe in?
TeranewsUser
2004-12-29 21:15:21 UTC
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Post by Merlin Dorfman
Post by Alabama Pete
Christians love everyome but they hate sin, and bible belivers must
point out the truth of scripture. God created ALL people and his
law applies to ALL people which is why civil laws must be based on
Gods laws.
And those civil laws must apply even to those who don't believe
the above, or who believe God created a different set of laws than
those you believe in?
Hi Merlin; Some thoughts for you and Pete to run with.

1) Since the Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Budhists have different
religious tomes; what happens if they have different laws? What if those
laws are in direct opposition to each other?
2) Since there is a separation of church and state, is it fair for an
Athiest to have to conform to laws based on some specific religion?
3) If the laws of the State are in opposition to the laws of a religion;
which takes precident?
4) Bible says to respect the authority of the State (Ro 13:1-2; 1 Pe
2:13-14), but does not make a stipulation that the authority must coincide
with the Bible. Here is an interesting article on civil obedience:
http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=1162
Merlin Dorfman
2004-12-29 23:03:18 UTC
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Post by TeranewsUser
Post by Merlin Dorfman
Post by Alabama Pete
Christians love everyome but they hate sin, and bible belivers must
point out the truth of scripture. God created ALL people and his
law applies to ALL people which is why civil laws must be based on
Gods laws.
And those civil laws must apply even to those who don't believe
the above, or who believe God created a different set of laws than
those you believe in?
Hi Merlin; Some thoughts for you and Pete to run with.
1) Since the Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Budhists have different
religious tomes; what happens if they have different laws? What if those
laws are in direct opposition to each other?
I guess we have religious wars, like they had in Europe
between Catholics and Protestants for several centuries, which
is exactly why the Founding Fathers required separation of
church and state.
Post by TeranewsUser
2) Since there is a separation of church and state, is it fair for an
Athiest to have to conform to laws based on some specific religion?
(Pete clearly doesn't accept the concept of separation of
church and state.)
Post by TeranewsUser
3) If the laws of the State are in opposition to the laws of a religion;
which takes precident?
"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's."
But if your principles, based on religion or something else,
don't permit you to follow a law, you are morally obliged to
disobey it, and suffer the consequences.
Post by TeranewsUser
4) Bible says to respect the authority of the State (Ro 13:1-2; 1 Pe
2:13-14), but does not make a stipulation that the authority must coincide
http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=1162
"Let every person be submissive to the governing authorities."
Quite a difference between that and Pete's "the government must
pass laws that comply with religion," what?
r***@hotmail.com
2004-12-31 21:03:02 UTC
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Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The ACLU is a Jew orgainzation...along with these
N.O.W. - National Organization of Women
NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Planned Parenthood
Nat'l Council of Christians & Jews
Usenet
Enough said
Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-organizations-folder.html
--
James Slaughter, Professor of Biblical Study
Criswell Biblical Institute of Creation Science
Dallas, Texas USA
www.criswell.edu Radio webcast http://www.kcbi.org
Wow, Usenet is a Jewish organization. I guess people who post on here
must be Jews then. James Slaughter is a Jew!

Don't you have it when people conspire against themselves?
- Richard Hutnik :-P
KStahl
2004-12-31 22:00:17 UTC
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Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The ACLU is a Jew orgainzation...along with these
N.O.W. - National Organization of Women
NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Planned Parenthood
Nat'l Council of Christians & Jews
Usenet
Enough said
Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-organizations-folder.html
You say this and yet your are part of one of the most corrupt
organizations in the world? There is quite a credibility gap when
christians start slinging accusations at other groups.
--
If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing
- Anatole France
Brian Oakley
2004-12-25 02:36:03 UTC
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Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Dermot Donovan
Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Dr. Jean Tant
Post by Gretchen Howard
I just had to share a picture of our victorious Bush-Cheney "team."
That's me holding the newspaper with the headlines "Strengthened
Standing." My little sister has on a Bush-Cheney t-shirt, and my
brother holds a Bush-Cheney sign he made all by himself. 3 Cheers for
Victory! 3 Cheers for 4 More Years! Praise Jesus!
To all you losers...GET OVER IT.
AND GET BACK TO GOD!!!!!
http://www.ylcf.org/heartbeat/hello/203/1073/640/wvictory.jpg
Gretchen Howard
Albany, Oregon.
You are truly a sick, sick person with no idea of what true
Americanism is about.
You better check out the ACLU again. They are not for protecting rights,
but only the rights of those they WISH to protect.
Check out the ACLJ.org website and you will find out a few things about
the
Post by Brian Oakley
ACLU.
B.
Why don't you state clearly whose rights we're not protecting and I'll
make
Post by Dermot Donovan
sure that we are.
Dermot Donovan
Member, ACLU
Well Mr. Donovan, if I believed that the ACLU would protect Christians and
their rights of practicing their faith as much as they protect Muslim and
atheist views, I might believe you. But, I believe the ACLJ will do a much
better, and much more sincere job of that. Thanks
Brian Oakley
Americans have been duped by a right wing campaign to demonize anyone who
supports individual rights. Bush Jr's Daddy made an issue in 1988 that
Democratic candidate Michael Dukakis was a "card-carrying member of the
ACLU." Bush actually crticized a man interested in civil liberties!
One of the founders of the ACLU was HELEN KELLER. Another was Supreme Court
Justice Felix Frankfurter, who became the court's most outspoken advocate of
judicial restraint: he was almost always on the dissenting side of the
Warren court. JANE ADDAMS, Seminary graduate and winner of the 1931 Nobel
Peace Prize.
Wow, how far the ACLU has sunk. It is indeed sad.
Merry Christmas
Brian
Michael Azzam
2005-01-04 21:09:30 UTC
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Post by Frank Provasek
One of the founders of the ACLU was HELEN KELLER. Another was Supreme Court
Justice Felix Frankfurter, who became the court's most outspoken advocate of
judicial restraint: he was almost always on the dissenting side of the
Warren court. JANE ADDAMS, Seminary graduate and winner of the 1931 Nobel
Peace Prize.
The main founder of the ACLU was communist Roger Baldwin

Alabama Pete
2004-12-26 13:43:07 UTC
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Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Dermot Donovan
Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Dr. Jean Tant
Post by Gretchen Howard
I just had to share a picture of our victorious Bush-Cheney
"team." That's me holding the newspaper with the headlines
"Strengthened Standing." My little sister has on a Bush-Cheney
t-shirt, and my brother holds a Bush-Cheney sign he made all by
himself. 3 Cheers for Victory! 3 Cheers for 4 More Years! Praise
Jesus!
To all you losers...GET OVER IT.
AND GET BACK TO GOD!!!!!
http://www.ylcf.org/heartbeat/hello/203/1073/640/wvictory.jpg
Gretchen Howard
Albany, Oregon.
You are truly a sick, sick person with no idea of what true
Americanism is about.
You better check out the ACLU again. They are not for protecting
rights, but only the rights of those they WISH to protect.
Check out the ACLJ.org website and you will find out a few things about
the
Post by Brian Oakley
ACLU.
B.
Why don't you state clearly whose rights we're not protecting and
I'll
make
Post by Dermot Donovan
sure that we are.
Dermot Donovan
Member, ACLU
Well Mr. Donovan, if I believed that the ACLU would protect Christians
and their rights of practicing their faith as much as they protect
Muslim and atheist views, I might believe you. But, I believe the ACLJ
will do a much better, and much more sincere job of that. Thanks
Brian Oakley
The origin and history of the aclu is communist - fascist - atheist
nazis ... gun - bible grabbers too --- anti freedom - rights !
--
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/
Resist the Bush Administration and its deadly policies
of war and greed.
Jeff Welch
2004-12-26 17:43:04 UTC
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Post by Brian Oakley
Well Mr. Donovan, if I believed that the ACLU would protect Christians and
their rights of practicing their faith as much as they protect Muslim and
atheist views, I might believe you.
Why would you believe otherwise?

-Jeff
Brian Oakley
2004-12-26 23:02:43 UTC
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Post by Jeff Welch
Post by Brian Oakley
Well Mr. Donovan, if I believed that the ACLU would protect Christians and
their rights of practicing their faith as much as they protect Muslim and
atheist views, I might believe you.
Why would you believe otherwise?
-Jeff
Go to the ACLJ or Alliance Defense Fund, or Concerned Women for America
websites and you will find out.
B.
Frank Provasek
2004-12-27 06:20:40 UTC
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Post by Brian Oakley
Go to the ACLJ or Alliance Defense Fund, or Concerned Women for America
websites and you will find out.
B.
Those websites bear false witness.
Brian Oakley
2004-12-27 22:47:09 UTC
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Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
Go to the ACLJ or Alliance Defense Fund, or Concerned Women for America
websites and you will find out.
B.
Those websites bear false witness.
So its all just a pack of lies Frank?? Yeah, Christians are the MOST likely
people in the world to deliberately try to deceive people. Oh brother....
B.
Frank Provasek
2004-12-28 00:37:42 UTC
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Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
Go to the ACLJ or Alliance Defense Fund, or Concerned Women for America
websites and you will find out.
B.
Those websites bear false witness.
So its all just a pack of lies Frank?? Yeah, Christians are the MOST likely
people in the world to deliberately try to deceive people. Oh brother....
B.
My comment was not about all Christians. It was about the websites you
quoted and the people behind them. They are far away from mainstream
Christianity. Rather than preach love, they preach hate. They attempt to
enforce the rules of their particular sect on all Americans through the
power of government. They and their like are virtually all based in the old
Confederacy,
where for the last 150 years they promoted slavery, separate schools and
even WATER FOUNTAINS for Blacks, public lynchings, opposed women's rights,
opposed interracial marriage, opposed alcohol, dancing, tobacco, Catholics,
Jews, immigrants, integration, gay rights. They disagree with basic tenents
of the Constitution, such as freedom of speech, freedom to criticize the
government. They believe that Americans with different political beliefs
should be imprisoned or executed for treason. They are more likely to
believe in hexes, demons, superstition and phony faith healings than sound
science. They believe in the Ann Coulter policy of foreign relations:
"Kill their leaders and convert the people to Christianity." They will vote
for politicians who pander to their concerns about "God, guns, and gays."
And yes, they lie.
Brian Oakley
2004-12-28 02:26:22 UTC
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Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
Go to the ACLJ or Alliance Defense Fund, or Concerned Women for America
websites and you will find out.
B.
Those websites bear false witness.
So its all just a pack of lies Frank?? Yeah, Christians are the MOST likely
people in the world to deliberately try to deceive people. Oh brother....
B.
My comment was not about all Christians. It was about the websites you
quoted and the people behind them. They are far away from mainstream
Christianity. Rather than preach love, they preach hate. They attempt to
enforce the rules of their particular sect on all Americans through the
power of government. They and their like are virtually all based in the old
Confederacy,
where for the last 150 years they promoted slavery, separate schools and
even WATER FOUNTAINS for Blacks, public lynchings, opposed women's rights,
opposed interracial marriage, opposed alcohol, dancing, tobacco, Catholics,
Jews, immigrants, integration, gay rights. They disagree with basic tenents
of the Constitution, such as freedom of speech, freedom to criticize the
government. They believe that Americans with different political beliefs
should be imprisoned or executed for treason. They are more likely to
believe in hexes, demons, superstition and phony faith healings than sound
"Kill their leaders and convert the people to Christianity." They will vote
for politicians who pander to their concerns about "God, guns, and gays."
And yes, they lie.
I pray you will be able to see how absolutely absurd your statement is, and
that you will see that it is completely unsubstanceiated. I invite anyone
that reads your rubbish to visit the websites I put up here and make up
their own minds.
B.
Tommy Ezell
2004-12-28 05:47:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dr. Jean Tant
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
Go to the ACLJ or Alliance Defense Fund, or Concerned Women for
America
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
websites and you will find out.
B.
Those websites bear false witness.
So its all just a pack of lies Frank?? Yeah, Christians are the MOST likely
people in the world to deliberately try to deceive people. Oh
brother....
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
B.
My comment was not about all Christians. It was about the websites
you quoted and the people behind them. They are far away from
mainstream Christianity. Rather than preach love, they preach hate.
They attempt to enforce the rules of their particular sect on all
Americans through the power of government. They and their like are
virtually all based in the
old
Post by Frank Provasek
Confederacy,
where for the last 150 years they promoted slavery, separate schools
and even WATER FOUNTAINS for Blacks, public lynchings, opposed
women's rights, opposed interracial marriage, opposed alcohol,
dancing, tobacco,
Catholics,
Post by Frank Provasek
Jews, immigrants, integration, gay rights. They disagree with basic
tenents
Post by Frank Provasek
of the Constitution, such as freedom of speech, freedom to criticize
the government. They believe that Americans with different political
beliefs should be imprisoned or executed for treason. They are more
likely to believe in hexes, demons, superstition and phony faith
healings than sound science. They believe in the Ann Coulter policy
of foreign relations: "Kill their leaders and convert the people to
Christianity." They will
vote
Post by Frank Provasek
for politicians who pander to their concerns about "God, guns, and
gays." And yes, they lie.
I pray you will be able to see how absolutely absurd your statement
is, and that you will see that it is completely unsubstanceiated. I
invite anyone that reads your rubbish to visit the websites I put up
here and make up their own minds.
B.
You liberals, athiests and homosexules will do whatever is in your power
to get their power back. They don't care how many people will get hurt
or how many little baby's will have to suffer or how many of our boy's
they infect with aid's and the certainly don't care how many people have
to die in order to get what they want. They are evil people to who might
makes right and getting what you want justifies the means they
use to get what they want. Pat Robinson and the ACLJ and the Christian
Coalition are fighting for the DESTENY of AMERICA! Limp wristed or
Manly. Traiter or patriot. Christian or atheist. Moral or depraved.
Rightouous or Conmdemmed to Hell. Baby killers or respecting of all life
born and unborn.
Sanders Kaufman
2004-12-28 07:17:34 UTC
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Post by Tommy Ezell
You liberals, athiests and homosexules will do whatever is in your power
to get their power back. They don't care how many people will get hurt
or how many little baby's will have to suffer or how many of our boy's
they infect with aid's and the certainly don't care how many people have
You make Michael Moore look rational.
You must be a B'ushist.
mikejj222
2004-12-28 19:16:13 UTC
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Post by Dr. Jean Tant
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
Go to the ACLJ or Alliance Defense Fund, or Concerned Women for
America
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
websites and you will find out.
B.
Those websites bear false witness.
So its all just a pack of lies Frank?? Yeah, Christians are the MOST likely
people in the world to deliberately try to deceive people. Oh
brother....
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
B.
My comment was not about all Christians. It was about the websites
you quoted and the people behind them. They are far away from
mainstream Christianity. Rather than preach love, they preach hate.
They attempt to enforce the rules of their particular sect on all
Americans through the power of government. They and their like are
virtually all based in the
old
Post by Frank Provasek
Confederacy,
where for the last 150 years they promoted slavery, separate schools
and even WATER FOUNTAINS for Blacks, public lynchings, opposed
women's rights, opposed interracial marriage, opposed alcohol,
dancing, tobacco,
Catholics,
Post by Frank Provasek
Jews, immigrants, integration, gay rights. They disagree with basic
tenents
Post by Frank Provasek
of the Constitution, such as freedom of speech, freedom to criticize
the government. They believe that Americans with different political
beliefs should be imprisoned or executed for treason. They are more
likely to believe in hexes, demons, superstition and phony faith
healings than sound science. They believe in the Ann Coulter policy
of foreign relations: "Kill their leaders and convert the people to
Christianity." They will
vote
Post by Frank Provasek
for politicians who pander to their concerns about "God, guns, and
gays." And yes, they lie.
I pray you will be able to see how absolutely absurd your statement
is, and that you will see that it is completely unsubstanceiated. I
invite anyone that reads your rubbish to visit the websites I put up
here and make up their own minds.
B.
Liberals, homosexuals, and unbelievers do their best to paint American
slavery in the antebellum South as a product of fundamental Christianity.
Having laid down this false foundation, they then use it to defend
homosexuality and other sinful movements against modern, Christian
fundamentalism. They "conveniently" leave out the following facts that were
documented in the first part of this article:

1. That the Baptists (and other fundamental Christians) were the leaders in
establishing RELIGIOUS liberty (1st Amendment) in this country.
Homosexuals, feminists and agnostics/atheists can thank the Baptists for
the freedom to publish their falsehoods and other opinions.

2. That the institution of slavery was largely overturned due to the
leadership and labor of Baptists in America.

3. That before the 1830's, Baptists in America (and most others sects) were
largely against American slavery and viewed it as immoral. Other so-called
"pro-slavery" Christians, before 1830, usually saw the specific system of
American slavery as only a "necessary evil" for the present time only.

4. That in the turbulent period between 1830 and 1870, popular Baptist
preachers and revivalists (Spurgeon, Finney, etc.) in American and England
denounced slavery and warned of Divine retribution.

5. That the LIBERAL denominations such as the Unitarians in the South were
strongly pro-slavery.

6. That the Darwinian, scientific community philosophically justified
slavery by teaching that blacks were the last race up the evolution ladder
from the apes.

There is additional history that is likewise conveniently forgotten today
by many anti-fundamentalists. In these final parts, I will therefore
provide some further facts of history, and then deal with a common
misinterpretation of the Scriptures which prevailed in the South in the
decades directly preceding the Civil War. The desired end will be to show
that, although some Christians were certainly guilty of partiality and
faulty Bible interpretation, the attempt to paint American slavery as the
special sin of Christian fundamentalism is ludicrous and dishonest!

THE SOUTH AFTER 1830

From 1790 to 1860, the number of slaves increased from 700,000 to 4,000,000
(even with importation forbidden after 1808)! The stakes were higher, and
the South grew increasingly defensive after 1830. Before the 1830's, the
anti-slavery views of most Baptists (documented in the first part of the
article) was the general spirit of most political leaders who founded the
country. Alexander H. Stephens (Vice President of the Confederacy), in
1861, admitted:

"The prevailing ideas entertained by him [Thomas Jefferson] and most of the
leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution,
were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of
nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically.
It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the GENERAL OPINION
of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of
Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea,
though not incorporated in the constitution, was THE PREVAILING IDEA at
that time...Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth
[that slavery of Negroes is natural, normal, and just] was NOT GENERALLY
admitted, even within their day. The errors of the PAST GENERATION still
clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who STILL
CLING to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate
fanatics....In the conflict thus far, success has been on our side,
complete throughout the length and breadth of the Confederate States. It is
upon this, as I have stated, our social fabric is firmly planted; and I
cannot permit myself to doubt the ultimate success of a full recognition of
THIS PRINCIPLE throughout the civilized and enlightened world....May we
not, therefore, look with confidence to the ultimate universal
acknowledgment of the truths upon which our system rests?..."(1)

After 1830, as some Christians began to leave the area over slavery, and
pro-slavery advocates strove to keep the balance of power in Congress, the
South became hardened and began to openly and aggressively defend the
enslavement of Africans on both "scientific" and/or "Biblical" grounds.
Yet, even in the period from 1830-1865, it is foolish or dishonest to place
the blame of slavery primarily on Baptists, or even fundamental Christians,
in general.

ROMAN CATHOLICS AND SLAVERY

Many people today delight in rashly linking slavery with Christian
fundamentalism. They usually brush aside (or bury) the fact that slavery
was passionately defended by Roman Catholics and Unitarians (the darlings
of most modern anti-fundamentalists). Roman Catholics such as Augustine
Verot (1804-1876), the bishop of Georgia and east Florida, defended slavery
on the basis that slaves were generally happier than people working in
factories. Therefore, he reasoned that they were justly compensated by
enslavement. He wrote that blacks were "sensual" and therefore fit for
slavery. The Jesuits in Maryland (1805-1838) were generally known for
treating slaves brutally. Patrick Smyth, a Roman Catholic clergyman,
stated:

"...these sooty rogues will not work, unless they be goaded and whipped,
and almost FLAYED ALIVE." (2)

Burke McCarty writes:

"In the 'Doctrine of the Jesuits' by Gury, translated into the French by
that brilliant educator and statesman, Paul Bert in 1879, we find the
position of the [Catholic] church and the Jesuits on black slavery quoted
as follows: 'Slavery does not constitute a crime before any law, divine or
human....When one thinks of the state of degradation in which the hordes of
Africa live, the SLAVE TRADE may be considered as a providential act..."(3)

Such Jesuitical thinking had become ingrained in much of Southern thought.
The Bible, on the contrary, teaches that Providence (i.e. God using, or
bringing good things out of, evil actions) does not excuse the sin (Genesis
50:20, Romans 3:8, Jeremiah 25:12).

In 1842, the "New York Freeman's Journal," a leading Catholic paper (the
official journal of the Bishop of New York), called ABOLITIONISTS a
"mischievous set of fanatics." Ten years later (1852), this journal would
reveal its true reasons for inflaming the controversy:

"No man has a right to choose his religion. Catholicism is the most
intolerant of creeds. It is intolerance itself. We might as rationally
maintain that two and two does not make four as the theory of Religious
Liberty. Its impiety is only equaled by its absurdity."

Some of the pro-Union Catholic leaders during the war were dismissed,
reprimanded, or investigated for their strange "foot-dragging" (e.g. Gen.
Rosecrans, and Gen. George G. Meade, for passivity during significant
battles, and Bishop Hughes for delayed action in putting down the New York
Catholic riots). But aside from any Jesuit conspiracies (of which there is
much evidence), history plainly reveals that Roman Catholicism was on the
slavery side of the debate. No Catholic leader in America advocated
abolition before the war! Abolitionists were usually very anti-Catholic,
and they often likened slave-masters to Catholic priests for refusing to
allow slaves to read or write. G. B. Cheever (1807-1890) linked pro-slavery
Christians with the Jesuits for the mutual habit of justifying sin. He was
commonly vilified in Catholic publications.

The controversial Dred Scott Supreme Court decision (1857) concluded that,
not only was Scott still a slave, but that even a free Negro could not be
considered a U.S. citizen. This pro-slavery decision was presented by Chief
Justice Roger B. Taney (1777-1864). Taney was a Maryland ROMAN CATHOLIC.
His pro-slavery decision was applauded by the Catholic press, and Catholics
were advised by their leaders to refrain from dissenting against the
"Supreme" Court. The Catholic "New York Freeman's Journal" went so far as
to accuse anti-slavery Protestants, such as G. B. Cheever, of TREASON for
daring to rebuke Taney's Supreme Court decision. Cheever upbraided many of
his fellow preachers and claimed that they were guilty of "mealy-
mouthedness" for refusing to rebuke national sins, and for blindly
interpreting the decisions of courts as if they were equal to inspired
Scripture (he cited Micah 6:16 and Hosea 5:11 to show that God hates such
passivity in His ministers). Abraham Lincoln soon hit the issue hard with
his famous speech against Taney's Dred Scott decision (June 26, 1857).
Lincoln (progressively inviting the enmity of Rome) showed that Negroes
originally had the right to vote in five of the thirteen states, and
therefore, "in proportion to their numbers, had the same part in making the
Constitution that the white people had."

The whole Southern cause was endorsed by Rome. Charles Chiniquy claimed
that Rome wanted the Civil War to DIVIDE America so religious liberty would
therefore be weakened. Along this line, Thomas M. Harris, Late Brigadier
General U.S.V, (1897) writes:

"In our dissensions over the questions of slavery, she [Rome] thought she
saw a chance to destroy our government; and taking the side of slavery,
used her whole influence, in the South, to stimulate and encourage
secession and rebellion, and in the North to discredit and weaken the cause
of the Union. It was G. T. Beauregard, a rabid ROMAN CATHOLIC, who first
fired on the flag of our country at Fort Sumter; and let loose the dogs of
war. It was the Pope of Rome, and he alone, of all the European potentates,
that gave his RECOGNITION and his blessing to the Confederate
government....[The] letter of the Pope to Jefferson Davis, couched in such
courteous and loving terms, and showing so clearly that his sympathy was
with the Southern cause, was well understood by his loyal and faithful
subjects all over the North. Catholic officers began to resign and the rank
and file began to desert, from the time of the publication of that letter
in 1863 to the close of the war....of the 144,000 Irishmen that enlisted,
104,000 deserted...."
(Thomas M. Harris, "Rome's Responsibility for the Assassination of Abraham
Lincoln," 1897)

Jefferson Davis, more than once, addressed the Pope as, "Your Holiness." He
was educated in ROMAN CATHOLIC schools, like many other, pro-slavery,
Southern leaders. Alexander H. Stephens (the Vice-President of the
Confederacy), was educated at Locust Grove Academy, which was the first
chartered Catholic school in Georgia. And the commander of the Confederate
military division of the West was the militant Roman Catholic, General
Pierre G. T. Beauregard, who had begun the Civil War by attacking Fort
Sumter. This Roman Catholic general is known for producing the Battle Flag
of the Confederacy.(4) The Confederate spy, Rose O'Neal Greenhow (who aided
the Confederate victory at Bull Run) was a Roman Catholic. Robert Ould, who
was the head of the Confederate Secret Service, was a Roman Catholic.(5)

Although confusion reigned, and there were good men on both sides, Roman
Catholic influence was certainly on the pro-slavery side.

In past discussions with priests, etc., I have showed historical sources
which document that millions of Christians have been murdered by Catholics
throughout history. Unable to accuse Baptists of similar persecutions (even
on the smallest scale), some Catholics accuse Baptists of being RESPONSIBLE
for American slavery. They fail to mention the facts presented in this
article.

SLAVERY: THE CORNERSTONE OF THE "NEW JERUSALEM"?

Israel was given special permission and authority to fulfill prophecy
(Genesis 9:25) by exterminating the Canaanites and placing them under
tribute (Exodus 23:24, Deuteronomy 20:17, 1 Kings 9:21). Catholic Popes,
for centuries, applied these Old Testament commands directly to themselves
to justify their Crusades, murders, etc. To justify adopting such
specialized commands, it was necessary for Rome to define herself as the
"New Israel" in a manner which allowed her the right to take up the literal
sword of the state (or at least to control it). Protestant denominations
that did not entirely break free from Rome's church-state system
(especially those also influenced by postmillenialism), simply applied
Rome's age-old techniques for their own service. This was seen in many
Puritans of the "new world," who saw themselves as the "New Israel"
possessing God-given authority to conquer the "Canaanites" (i.e. American
Indians). This manner of interpreting Scripture (mainly Genesis 9:25) was
one of the primary grounds for enslaving Negroes in the South, especially
after 1830. Many Southerners, primarily from the Presbyterian,
Episcopalian, etc. denominations, easily adopted Rome's "conquer the
Canannite" theology, and applied it to AMERICAN SLAVES. These denominations
were not wholly free from the "state church" concept. Thus, their
ecclesiastical and eschatological views made it very easy to view the "new
South" as God's "Theocratic Kingdom," and its governors as "Moses" or
"Joshua." Enslaving Negroes was thus seen as the RIGHT of Japheth. The
South would INSURE that Genesis 9:25 was fulfilled, conveniently forgetting
that God often PUNISHES the rebellious, sinful instruments He uses to
fulfill His curses and prophecies upon others (Jeremiah 25:9,12; 2 Samuel
12:10-11, 16:22, Matthew 26:24)!

Although Baptists were more numerous after 1830, the Presbyterians and
Episcopalians in the South had more influence over the PRO-SLAVERY,
political leaders. It is a fact that many of these popular, political
leaders had graduated from Presbyterian academies (John C. Calhoun, etc.).
Pro-slavery Presbyterian writers, such as Dabney, were the most
influential. These Presbyterians had become so intoxicated by
postmillennialism that they viewed America (particularly the South) as
practically incapable of error, since it was a dream, "inspired by the
spirit of the Prince of Peace." American slavery could not be wrong since
it was "American." America was the "New Jerusalem." The pro-slavery
government could not err, since it was inspired by God. Along this line,
Samuel Davies Baldwin, a Methodist minister in Tennessee, wrote in defense
of American slavery:

"Our country is true and faithful. It has never enacted a single law
unauthorized by the Divine constitution; nor have the decisions of our
supreme judiciary ever been counter to the revealed legislation of heaven."
("Dominion; or, the Unity and Trinity of the Human Race," 1858)

It is no wonder that the Catholics eyed such patriotic idolatry in the
South as useful to their cause. Such postmillennial delusions have often
blinded its preachers to reality and sin. Slavery was soon viewed as the
very foundation of the republic! In 1835, Gov. McDuffie (S.C.), reflecting
the hardening of the South, dared to call slavery, "the CORNERSTONE of our
republican edifice." The idea only became more ingrained in politics. By
1861, Alexander H. Stephens (Vice President of the Confederacy) also openly
declared that slavery was the FOUNDATION of the Confederacy:

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea [than that of
the founding fathers]; its foundations are laid, its CORNER-STONE rests
upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that
slavery - subordination to the superior race - is his natural and normal
condition [Applause]. This, our new government, is THE FIRST, in the
history of the world, BASED upon THIS great physical, philosophical, and
moral truth....This stone which was rejected by the first builders 'is
become the chief of the corner' - the real 'CORNER-STONE' - in our new
edifice [Applause]."

THE INFIDEL SCIENTISTS AND PHILOSOPHERS

We have already examined the evolutionists who arose in the late 1850's.
The Darwinians declared Negroes the last on the human, evolutionary chain.
But what did many scientists in America think of blacks (and thus, slavery)
BEFORE Darwin? Before the 1830's, the common view was that all races
originated from Adam and Eve. However, before long, new ethnologists
(Josiah Nott, George Gliddon, etc.) began to see blacks as a "separate
species," independently created. Nott and Gliddon authored, "Types of
Mankind or Ethnological Research" (1854). Influenced by the German
criticism of the Bible, these ethnologists (polygenists) presumptuously
stated that the Bible was in error when it taught that all men came from
Adam and Eve. They believed that Genesis was full of contradictions, and
that it was blind to the present findings of "science." They wanted to cut
the natural history of mankind loose from the Bible. This new, infidel
science was embraced by many as a means to counter the anti-slavery
movement. Before Darwin's infidelity of a different color, the South was
already eating up the "new science" lectures of Nott and Gliddon. The
influential Southern magazine, "De Bow's Review," wrote in 1850:

"If on the contrary, this assumption [that all men came from Adam and Eve]
be false and groundless, these mad dreamers [abolitionists] will at once be
refuted."

Josiah Nott (1804-1873) was pleased with the success of his ideas. He wrote
in 1850:

"Morton is coming out dead against Moses and the prophets [i.e.
monogenesis], and I think we have the game started now and will give them
'_____' before we stop."

After saturating the pro-slavery South with such ideas (i.e. that blacks
were not human beings!), these infidels helped set the stage for Darwin,
and helped the South justify slavery. Concerning Darwin's "progression
theory," Nott (advocating the plurality theory) wrote in 1860:

"The man [Darwin] is clearly crazy, but it is a capital dig into the
parsons."

Thus, although he did not agree with Darwin, he was pleased that the Bible
was being reproached!

This "new science" was necessary to the South. If the African could be
converted to Christianity and reformed, then what right did Christians have
to force them into slavery? This argument is what caused Alexander H.
Stephens, in his 1861 speech, to proclaim that FORCED ENSLAVEMENT was a
necessary precursor to any spiritual reformation. The new infidels (for
those hardened enough against the Scriptures to embrace them), provided the
necessary "science" to argue against the "Great Commission quoting"
abolitionists. Since the Africans were a separate species, they were
"incapable of improvement"; their so-called "condition" was "permanent."
Along this line, in 1865, with his trademark, reproachful language, Nott
wrote:

"God Almighty made the ' _____' , and no '______' Yankee on top of the
earth can bleach him."(6)

Polygenesis did not originate with the new ethnologists. Infidel
philosophers such as Voltaire (1694-1778) and David Hume (1711-1776) had
earlier theorized that Negroes were a separate species. It was BIBLE
CHRISTIANITY that restrained these views in the 18th century! How foolish
it is, therefore, to link fundamental Christianity as the cause for
American slavery! It is true that SOME true Christians justified slavery on
the basis that they deemed blacks to be inferior HUMAN BEINGS. This is a
far cry, however, from the philosophical and scientific view that blacks
were NOT HUMAN AT ALL, but rather similar to orangutans! Therefore, much of
the infidel, deist, liberal, anti-Christian science and philosophy, which
we are constantly told was so "progressive" and "enlightening," must be
BURIED in order to paint Christian fundamentalism as the "cause" of
American slavery.

CHRISTIANS AND THE SO-CALLED BIBLE ARGUMENT

Genesis 9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he
be unto his brethren.

After reviewing some of the true history concerning slavery, and showing
how the early philosophical forefathers and forerunners of the modern anti-
fundamentalists were much more guilty than the forefathers of fundamental
Christians, we can begin to examine the errors of some Christians, which we
do not deny or attempt to conceal.

In the turbulent period from 1830-1860, many Christians who remained in the
South and supported slavery could not bring themselves to embrace the new,
infidel science. Many Southerners (to the delight of Catholics) had placed
the Founding Fathers in the same camp as the infidel philosophers of the
French Revolution for their views on "equality." Therefore, due to true
Biblical convictions, and/or to avoid the appearance of hypocrisy, it was
important for them to repel any association with the "new ethnology."
Instead, they labored to find a BIBLICAL basis for enslaving Negroes. It
was not uncommon in earlier centuries for some Protestant commentators to
EXPLAIN the enslavement of Negroes on the basis of the curse in Genesis
9:25. The new South, as we have noted, took this one step further, and
began to JUSTIFY those who enslaved the Negroes.


In the third part of this study, we will examine whether or not there is a
Biblical basis to view the curse in Genesis 9 as falling upon ALL of Ham's
sons. We will discuss Ham's sin, and explore the history of interpretation
concerning it. We will show how so-called "corrections" (i.e. changes) in
the King James Bible, the moral and intellectual state of most of the
American Negroes (only a few generations removed from the uncivilized
jungles - Romans 1), economic pressures, and some statements from earlier
commentators, were all used in the post-1830's South to replace MISSIONARY
evangelism (Matthew 28:19), with ENSLAVEMENT "EVANGELISM" (see the similar
history of Augustine's interpretation of the word "compel" in Luke 14:23)!
The post-1830's South did not use Ham to EXPLAIN African slavery, it used
Ham to EXCUSE and PROMOTE it. For example, in 1843, Josiah Priest (1788-
1851), whose writings became very popular in the South (after a detailed
exposition of Ham's curse), wrote:

"Let him, therefore, who may enslave any of the Negro race do it with
reverence."(7)

CONCLUSION OF PART TWO

Let all who attempt to equate modern Christian fundamentalism with American
slavery simply take a few moments to reflect upon the fact that the TRUE
parallel is seen in comparing anti-slavery-Christian writers in the 19th
century with modern Christian fundamentalists who wish to LIBERATE babies
about to be murdered in the womb, LIBERATE children about to be adopted by
Sodomite parents, and LIBERATE children abandoned to day-care "prisons"
(and often doped up on the latest psyche drug) by mothers "exercising their
liberty to discard their children and pursue a career"! And the 19th
century, PRO-SLAVERY advocates (who were often Catholic-educated, affluent,
liberal, progressive, cultured, and "enlightened") had much more in common
with the MODERN LIBERALS who endlessly proclaim:

-"But homosexual adoption is now LEGAL, so it can't be wrong!" (i.e.
Slavery is legal so it can't be wrong);

-"Abortion is LEGAL, so it can't be wrong!" (i.e. Slavery is legal so it
can't be wrong);

-"You should not reprove the government!";

-"You should keep religion out of politics!";

-"You are a bunch of unlearned fanatics!";

-"Babies in the womb are not even real human beings"! (i.e. Blacks are not
real human beings, or they are created to be enslaved if we so choose);

-"The murdered babies will be happier if they do not get the chance to be
born into poverty!" (i.e. Blacks will be happier if they are enslaved and
rescued from the jungles);

-"Children don't even feel the effects of divorce, and they don't need both
a father and a mother; and they do fine without mother all day!" (i.e.
Negroes, even though they cry, do not really care about being sold away and
separated from their spouses or children);

-"But what about the rights of the mother?" (i.e. But what about the rights
of property owners [slave masters])?" etc.

Thus, "equal rights" were not for Negroes in the Old South, just as modern
liberals and anti-fundamentalists tell us that they are not for babies in
the womb, etc. "Rights" are always for the OPPRESSORS, unless the salt and
light of Christianity does its work in a nation, by bold preachers
proclaiming the regenerating Gospel of redemption and exposing sin.
Whatever HOLY liberties are in the world today (spiritual and physical) are
due to Christianity (especially fundamental Christianity). As fundamental
Christianity is cast aside, oppression (of all sorts) increases. The
predicted, final state of the antichristian world will endorse SLAVERY
(Revelation 18:13). Let all, therefore, take heed and consider their ways!
We cannot make the whole world Christian. We cannot bring in the Lord's
Kingdom without the Second Coming of the King. But we can do what we can to
spread the light of Gospel truth and rebuke sin while we are "occupying."
God forbid that we bury our talents in the earth! Let us rebuke the modern
oppressors (e.g. abortionists, homosexual predators, etc.) in the same
manner as CHRISTIANS rebuked oppressors in early generations (e.g. State-
church political leaders, slave-masters, etc.):

Jeremiah 22:3 Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness,
and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong,
do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed
innocent blood in this place.
13 Woe unto him that buildeth his house by unrighteousness, and his
chambers by wrong; that useth his neighbour's service without wages, and
giveth him not for his work;

Finally, let many modern Negroes consider, as they turn a deaf ear to the
screams of aborted children, etc., and VOTE for pro-abortion candidates
(simply to ENSLAVE themselves to more welfare on "government homesteads") -
let them consider that GOD is not deaf! As in the parable of Matthew 18, He
will SURELY hear from Heaven, and will judge such wicked sins:

Matthew 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to
be SOLD, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be
made.
32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou
wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy FELLOWSERVANT, even
as I had pity on thee?

Did not God in His Providence and mercy hear the cries of the American
Negro and use the principles of Christianity to free him from oppression?
And shall you now use your influence to vote in abortionists (and such
like) who KILL infants in the womb? Leave these depraved wretches who seek
to USE YOU to enslave our country (you included) to tyranny! (Read what
Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, and supporter of
Hitler, thought about YOU! Read about her "Negro Project.") Return quickly
to the God of the Holy Bible who blessed you. Flee the wicked hands that
seek to destroy the FAMILY and enslave children to their depraved lusts and
indoctrinations. And if they tell you that "Christian fundamentalism" once
enslaved you on the basis of the "curse of Ham," just remind them that even
the pro-slavery Christians (with some errors we do not excuse)
nevertheless, defended you as HUMAN BEINGS made in the image of God! Then
remind them that the LIBERAL, progressive, enlightened, scientific
community in that day, believed that you were sub-human, and brute like the
APES!

TO BE CONTINUED

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NOTES

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1. Speech at the Athenaeum, Savannah; Georgia, March 21, 1861.

2. "The Hoya" (Feb. 2, 1999), "Georgetown's Untold Story."

3. McCarty, Burke, "The Suppressed Truth about the Assassination of Abraham
Lincoln," (Larry Harrison: St. John, Indiana, 1999)

4. Grady, William P., "What Hath God Wrought," 1996, p. 296.

5. Daniel, Lizzy Cary, "Confederate Scrapbook," 1893, p. 127.

6. Nott's letter to Squire, December 5, 1865; quoted by William Sumner
Jenkins, "Pro-Slavery Thought in the Old South," 1960.

7. Priest, Josiah, "Slavery as it Relates to the Negro, or African
Race...," (Albany: 1843).

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mikejj222
2004-12-28 19:23:07 UTC
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Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
Go to the ACLJ or Alliance Defense Fund, or Concerned Women for
America websites and you will find out.
B.
Those websites bear false witness.
So its all just a pack of lies Frank?? Yeah, Christians are the MOST likely
people in the world to deliberately try to deceive people. Oh
brother.... B.
My comment was not about all Christians. It was about the websites
you quoted and the people behind them. They are far away from
mainstream Christianity. Rather than preach love, they preach hate.
They attempt to enforce the rules of their particular sect on all
Americans through the power of government. They and their like are
virtually all based in the old Confederacy,
where for the last 150 years they promoted slavery, separate schools
and even WATER FOUNTAINS for Blacks, public lynchings, opposed women's
rights, opposed interracial marriage, opposed alcohol, dancing,
tobacco, Catholics, Jews, immigrants, integration, gay rights. They
disagree with basic tenents of the Constitution, such as freedom of
speech, freedom to criticize the government. They believe that
Americans with different political beliefs should be imprisoned or
executed for treason. They are more likely to believe in hexes,
demons, superstition and phony faith healings than sound science.
They believe in the Ann Coulter policy of foreign relations: "Kill
their leaders and convert the people to Christianity." They will vote
for politicians who pander to their concerns about "God, guns, and
gays." And yes, they lie.
THEY WANT THE LIBERTY TO SODOMIZE 14 YEAR OLDS

Sexual perversion is a continual, downward slide into blacker sins.
Perverted lust, continually gratified, must soon seek out bolder
depravities in order to satisfy it:

Proverbs 27:20 Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man
are never satisfied.

Homosexuality is a product of the heterosexual "sexual revolution." In
the same manner, such perverted abominations as bestiality and pedophilia
are (and will increasingly be) the inevitable consequences of the
acceptance of homosexuality in our society.

When heterosexual fornication was the new social fad, homosexuality was
mainly viewed as abnormal, disgusting, sick, etc. But now that so many
have been seduced into the "live and let live" view of homosexuality (and
the numbers of homosexuals are increasing), we must not be deceived by
the fact that the "majority" of people in the present find pedophiles
abnormal, disgusting, sick, etc.! If a national revival of Biblical
morality does not soon emerge, pedophilia will soon be tolerated and
accepted just as homosexuality is accepted, today.

There are already signs of the soon acceptance of pedophilia.
WorldNetDaily.com recently reported, "Amazon sells 'deadly' pedophile
magazine - NAMBLA Bulletin named in suit involving rape, murder of boy"
(September 20, 2003). Sadly, such reports are growing increasingly
common.


On May 19th, 2003, in San Francisco, the American Psychiatric Association
held a symposium. They debated whether to remove pedophilia from the next
edition of the psychiatric manual of mental disorders. Although Biblical
Christians do not redefine sins as "mental disorders," it should be
alarming that there is already such pressure upon the A.P.A. to view
pedophilia as "normal." Charles Moser and Peggy Kleinplatz presented a
paper to the A.P.A. wherein they argued:

"The situation of the paraphilias [i.e. pedophiles, etc.] at present
parallels that of homosexuality in the early 1970's."

As this controversy unfolds, homosexuals are working hard to change the
age of consent laws around the world. Austria is praised by homosexual
leaders for allowing adults to sodomize 14 year olds! Scott Long, Program
Director at the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission
(IGLHRC), exclaimed:

"This is an important victory for Austrians, for Europe, and for
equality."
("Austria Repeals Anti-Gay Consent Laws," 365Gay.com, August 15, 2002)

It may be a "victory" for Austrian homosexuals, but it is NOT a victory
for the teenagers upon whom they will prey!

Some anxious homosexuals have vocalized their intentions. For example,
homosexual activist Michael Swift writes:

"This essay is an outré, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption of
inner rage, on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the
oppressor. We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble
masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them
in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker
rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups,
in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck
stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men
are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our
bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and
adore us....We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the
ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play
seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages.
We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the
ultimate revolution. Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you
without our masks." ("Gay Community News," Feb. 15-21, 1987)

Notice some other points documented by Steve Baldwin (executive director
of the Council for National Policy in Washington, D.C), and posted in an
article on WorldNetDaily.com:

- The board of the leading pedophile journal, "Paidika," is dominated by
prominent homosexuals such as San Francisco State University professor
John DeCecco, who is an editor of the "Journal of Homosexuality."

- The "Journal of Homosexuality" recently published a special issue
entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing articles
portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One
article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son
"not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a
partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their
home."

-In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the
gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to
say out loud that children are naturally sexual..."


Family.org reports:

"...a study in 'Archives of Sexual Behavior' found that homosexual men
are attracted to young males, including those as young as age 15. Gay
researchers Karla Jay and Allen Young once reported that 73 percent of
the gay men they surveyed had engaged in sex with boys 16 to 19 years of
age or younger. It is also important to note that many pedophiles
consider themselves to be homosexual. A study of 229 convicted child
molesters found that 86 percent of offenders who molested boys described
themselves as homosexual or bisexual....Themes of adult-child sex are
common in gay publications. The nation's largest gay publisher, Alyson
Publications, which distributes 'Daddy' s Roommate' and other books that
promote homosexuality to children, also publishes books advocating man-
boy sex, or pedophilia..."

We must repent and turn back to God. Let us admit that the Christian
fundamentalists were right when they warned earlier generations that they
were starting on a downward course that would end in the destruction of
our nation. We must stand up for truth, for children, and for our
country. We must no longer fear the mockery of perverts. They are the
people who need to be ashamed. Let us do the very thing they most fear:
Repent, pray, and then LIFT UP YOUR VOICES AGAINST SIN!

Pastor Joey Faust
http://www.KingdomBaptist.org
mikejj222
2004-12-28 19:23:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Frank Provasek
Post by Brian Oakley
Go to the ACLJ or Alliance Defense Fund, or Concerned Women for
America websites and you will find out.
B.
Those websites bear false witness.
So its all just a pack of lies Frank?? Yeah, Christians are the MOST likely
people in the world to deliberately try to deceive people. Oh
brother.... B.
My comment was not about all Christians. It was about the websites
you quoted and the people behind them. They are far away from
mainstream Christianity. Rather than preach love, they preach hate.
They attempt to enforce the rules of their particular sect on all
Americans through the power of government. They and their like are
virtually all based in the old Confederacy,
where for the last 150 years they promoted slavery, separate schools
and even WATER FOUNTAINS for Blacks, public lynchings, opposed women's
rights, opposed interracial marriage, opposed alcohol, dancing,
tobacco, Catholics, Jews, immigrants, integration, gay rights. They
disagree with basic tenents of the Constitution, such as freedom of
speech, freedom to criticize the government. They believe that
Americans with different political beliefs should be imprisoned or
executed for treason. They are more likely to believe in hexes,
demons, superstition and phony faith healings than sound science.
They believe in the Ann Coulter policy of foreign relations: "Kill
their leaders and convert the people to Christianity." They will vote
for politicians who pander to their concerns about "God, guns, and
gays." And yes, they lie.
THEY WANT THE LIBERTY TO SODOMIZE 14 YEAR OLDS

Sexual perversion is a continual, downward slide into blacker sins.
Perverted lust, continually gratified, must soon seek out bolder
depravities in order to satisfy it:

Proverbs 27:20 Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man
are never satisfied.

Homosexuality is a product of the heterosexual "sexual revolution." In
the same manner, such perverted abominations as bestiality and pedophilia
are (and will increasingly be) the inevitable consequences of the
acceptance of homosexuality in our society.

When heterosexual fornication was the new social fad, homosexuality was
mainly viewed as abnormal, disgusting, sick, etc. But now that so many
have been seduced into the "live and let live" view of homosexuality (and
the numbers of homosexuals are increasing), we must not be deceived by
the fact that the "majority" of people in the present find pedophiles
abnormal, disgusting, sick, etc.! If a national revival of Biblical
morality does not soon emerge, pedophilia will soon be tolerated and
accepted just as homosexuality is accepted, today.

There are already signs of the soon acceptance of pedophilia.
WorldNetDaily.com recently reported, "Amazon sells 'deadly' pedophile
magazine - NAMBLA Bulletin named in suit involving rape, murder of boy"
(September 20, 2003). Sadly, such reports are growing increasingly
common.


On May 19th, 2003, in San Francisco, the American Psychiatric Association
held a symposium. They debated whether to remove pedophilia from the next
edition of the psychiatric manual of mental disorders. Although Biblical
Christians do not redefine sins as "mental disorders," it should be
alarming that there is already such pressure upon the A.P.A. to view
pedophilia as "normal." Charles Moser and Peggy Kleinplatz presented a
paper to the A.P.A. wherein they argued:

"The situation of the paraphilias [i.e. pedophiles, etc.] at present
parallels that of homosexuality in the early 1970's."

As this controversy unfolds, homosexuals are working hard to change the
age of consent laws around the world. Austria is praised by homosexual
leaders for allowing adults to sodomize 14 year olds! Scott Long, Program
Director at the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission
(IGLHRC), exclaimed:

"This is an important victory for Austrians, for Europe, and for
equality."
("Austria Repeals Anti-Gay Consent Laws," 365Gay.com, August 15, 2002)

It may be a "victory" for Austrian homosexuals, but it is NOT a victory
for the teenagers upon whom they will prey!

Some anxious homosexuals have vocalized their intentions. For example,
homosexual activist Michael Swift writes:

"This essay is an outré, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption of
inner rage, on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the
oppressor. We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble
masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them
in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker
rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups,
in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck
stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men
are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our
bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and
adore us....We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the
ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play
seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages.
We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the
ultimate revolution. Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you
without our masks." ("Gay Community News," Feb. 15-21, 1987)

Notice some other points documented by Steve Baldwin (executive director
of the Council for National Policy in Washington, D.C), and posted in an
article on WorldNetDaily.com:

- The board of the leading pedophile journal, "Paidika," is dominated by
prominent homosexuals such as San Francisco State University professor
John DeCecco, who is an editor of the "Journal of Homosexuality."

- The "Journal of Homosexuality" recently published a special issue
entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing articles
portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One
article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son
"not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a
partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their
home."

-In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the
gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to
say out loud that children are naturally sexual..."


Family.org reports:

"...a study in 'Archives of Sexual Behavior' found that homosexual men
are attracted to young males, including those as young as age 15. Gay
researchers Karla Jay and Allen Young once reported that 73 percent of
the gay men they surveyed had engaged in sex with boys 16 to 19 years of
age or younger. It is also important to note that many pedophiles
consider themselves to be homosexual. A study of 229 convicted child
molesters found that 86 percent of offenders who molested boys described
themselves as homosexual or bisexual....Themes of adult-child sex are
common in gay publications. The nation's largest gay publisher, Alyson
Publications, which distributes 'Daddy' s Roommate' and other books that
promote homosexuality to children, also publishes books advocating man-
boy sex, or pedophilia..."

We must repent and turn back to God. Let us admit that the Christian
fundamentalists were right when they warned earlier generations that they
were starting on a downward course that would end in the destruction of
our nation. We must stand up for truth, for children, and for our
country. We must no longer fear the mockery of perverts. They are the
people who need to be ashamed. Let us do the very thing they most fear:
Repent, pray, and then LIFT UP YOUR VOICES AGAINST SIN!

Pastor Joey Faust
http://www.KingdomBaptist.org
Dan Gett
2004-12-31 10:25:59 UTC
Permalink
I can hear you and every liberal toadie...on your knees...praying for
civil war in Iraq. You want the situation to descend into chaos so that
you can say that you were right. What a sick bunch of SOB's you all
are.

The foundation has been laid for this since after the 2000 defeat...and
the angry drumbeat of the left...undermining the President and the
Administration in the press and on television as often as your media
toadies can do it.

The Iraqi's want democracy worse than anything in the world. So despite
all of the violence and expense...and despite your best efforts to
discredit the effort...there will be elections. Then the Iraqi armies
and the American and Coalition forces will topple the corrupt governments
in the Middle East like dominos.

And history will judge our President upon these merits. And all of the
efforts by assholes like Mike Moore and Dan Rather will long be
forgotten. We will all be dead when the history books will
write the truth and reality about all of the great changes that our
President, George W. Bush, brought forth to the world. Truly, a NEW
WORLD ORDER, where AMERICA leads in influence, culture, economic and
military power.

It is just a shame that you and your democrat friends will be on the
wrong side of history...again.
MonkeyHawk
2004-12-31 11:05:35 UTC
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Post by Dan Gett
I can hear you and every liberal toadie...on your knees...praying for
civil war in Iraq. You want the situation to descend into chaos so that
you can say that you were right. What a sick bunch of SOB's you all
are.
At least you acknowlege some liberals pray. It undercuts any case for
liberals being the spawn of Satan, and so hurts your coalition, but it's
refreshing nevertheless.

Civil war in Iraq is probably inevitable, thanks to the botching of a war
that had no justification, too few allies, insufficent trained troops,
inadequate materiale, and none of the prerequisites cited by then-Governor
George WMD Bush in 2000 when, in his first presidential campaign, swore that
he wouldn't not commit American military to a fight without a stated goal,
sufficieent support, and exit policy.

What liberals supposedly want or pray for has far less power than what Shrub
and Rummy and Wolfie and Dick have, through their actions, doomed us to.
Post by Dan Gett
The foundation has been laid for this since after the 2000 defeat...and
the angry drumbeat of the left...undermining the President and the
Administration in the press and on television as often as your media
toadies can do it.
America's conservative-dominated mainstream media shills for multi-national
corporations which, while they're not particularly concerend with any
individual nation's soverignty, parrot conservative shiboleths in near
unison. Bush rode the media's exultations to 90% popularity after 9/11 and
only his incompetence reduced his support back to a slim electoral
advantage. If there were a legitimate opposition media presence in the
United States, the 2004 election might have been decided on substance rather
than gay marriage and faux-Texas good ol' boyisms.
Post by Dan Gett
The Iraqi's want democracy worse than anything in the world.
And, thanks to George WMD Bush, that's exactly what they're getting:
"'democracy' worse than anything in the world."
Post by Dan Gett
So despite
all of the violence and expense...and despite your best efforts to
discredit the effort...there will be elections.
And, more important to this particular Adminsitration, it will be Bush
cronies counting the votes.
Post by Dan Gett
Then the Iraqi armies
and the American and Coalition forces will topple the corrupt governments
in the Middle East like dominos.
So you are advocating extending and expanding a war. Thanks for clearing
that up.
Post by Dan Gett
And history will judge our President upon these merits. And all of the
efforts by assholes like Mike Moore and Dan Rather will long be
forgotten. We will all be dead...
Well *that's* a comfort!
Post by Dan Gett
...when the history books will
write the truth and reality about all of the great changes that our
President, George W. Bush, brought forth to the world. Truly, a NEW
WORLD ORDER, where AMERICA leads in influence, culture, economic and
military power.
Although, "we will all be dead."

Good plan.
Post by Dan Gett
It is just a shame that you and your democrat friends will be on the
wrong side of history...again.
Which would be, what? Alive?
KStahl
2004-12-31 13:47:08 UTC
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Post by MonkeyHawk
Post by Dan Gett
I can hear you and every liberal toadie...on your knees...praying for
civil war in Iraq. You want the situation to descend into chaos so that
you can say that you were right. What a sick bunch of SOB's you all
are.
At least you acknowlege some liberals pray. It undercuts any case for
liberals being the spawn of Satan, and so hurts your coalition, but it's
refreshing nevertheless.
I rather enjoy being considered the spawn of Satan. Of course since I'm
totally non religious I know that satan doesn't exist any more then the
bastard from Bethlehem.
Post by MonkeyHawk
What liberals supposedly want or pray for has far less power than what Shrub
and Rummy and Wolfie and Dick have, through their actions, doomed us to.
Maybe I should turn religious though so that I could pray for massive
heart failure in Bush, Rumsfield and Cheney. It might be fun.
--
If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing
- Anatole France
Alabama Pete
2004-12-31 21:56:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by MonkeyHawk
Post by Dan Gett
I can hear you and every liberal toadie...on your knees...praying for
civil war in Iraq. You want the situation to descend into chaos so
that you can say that you were right. What a sick bunch of SOB's
you
Post by MonkeyHawk
Post by Dan Gett
all are.
At least you acknowlege some liberals pray. It undercuts any case for
liberals being the spawn of Satan, and so hurts your coalition, but
it's refreshing nevertheless.
Civil war in Iraq is probably inevitable, thanks to the botching of
a
Post by MonkeyHawk
war that had no justification, too few allies, insufficent trained
troops, inadequate materiale, and none of the prerequisites cited by
then-Governor George WMD Bush in 2000 when, in his first
presidential
Post by MonkeyHawk
campaign, swore that he wouldn't not commit American military to a
fight without a stated goal, sufficieent support, and exit policy.
What liberals supposedly want or pray for has far less power than
what
Post by MonkeyHawk
Shrub and Rummy and Wolfie and Dick have, through their actions,
doomed us to.
Post by Dan Gett
The foundation has been laid for this since after the 2000
defeat...and the angry drumbeat of the left...undermining the
President and the Administration in the press and on television as
often as your media toadies can do it.
America's conservative-dominated mainstream media shills for
multi-national corporations which, while they're not particularly
concerend with any individual nation's soverignty, parrot
conservative
Post by MonkeyHawk
shiboleths in near unison. Bush rode the media's exultations to 90%
popularity after 9/11 and only his incompetence reduced his support
back to a slim electoral advantage. If there were a legitimate
opposition media presence in the United States, the 2004 election
might have been decided on substance rather than gay marriage and
faux-Texas good ol' boyisms.
Post by Dan Gett
The Iraqi's want democracy worse than anything in the world.
"'democracy' worse than anything in the world."
Post by Dan Gett
So despite
all of the violence and expense...and despite your best efforts to
discredit the effort...there will be elections.
And, more important to this particular Adminsitration, it will be Bush
cronies counting the votes.
Post by Dan Gett
Then the Iraqi armies
and the American and Coalition forces will topple the corrupt
governments in the Middle East like dominos.
So you are advocating extending and expanding a war. Thanks for
clearing that up.
Post by Dan Gett
And history will judge our President upon these merits. And all of
the efforts by assholes like Mike Moore and Dan Rather will long be
forgotten. We will all be dead...
Well *that's* a comfort!
Post by Dan Gett
...when the history books will
write the truth and reality about all of the great changes that our
President, George W. Bush, brought forth to the world. Truly, a NEW
WORLD ORDER, where AMERICA leads in influence, culture, economic and
military power.
Although, "we will all be dead."
Good plan.
Post by Dan Gett
It is just a shame that you and your democrat friends will be on the
wrong side of history...again.
Which would be, what? Alive?
I support the war on Iraq, but I think it needs to be conducted with
carpet bombing and possibly limited nuclear strikes. Putting 150,000
of our troops in a situation where they are basically surrounded by
1,500,000,000 Moslems who pledge to come to each others aid is really
foolish. I pray for their safe return.
--
Visit the Christian Defense League Website
http://www.cdlreport.com/
Stop Jewish Domination
http://www.jewwatch.com
MonkeyHawk
2004-12-31 23:02:30 UTC
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Post by Alabama Pete
I support the war on Iraq, but I think it needs to be conducted with
carpet bombing and possibly limited nuclear strikes.
I'm not surprised, Pete, seeing as how you're apprently not too bright.

Just where do you "carpet bomb" Iraq?

Who gets the "limited" nukes?

Just what does the "Alabama Pete" war scenario accomplish?
Post by Alabama Pete
Putting 150,000
of our troops in a situation where they are basically surrounded by
1,500,000,000 Moslems who pledge to come to each others aid is really
foolish.
DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!
DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! TELL
HIM WHAT HE'S WON, JOHNNY!!!!

And now the Bonus Round Follow-Up, Pete!

"Who is the *fool* who did exactly that?"
Post by Alabama Pete
I pray for their safe return.
We all do, Pete.

But God's not answering our prayers. He's too busy talking personally to
George WMD Bush and, according to Shrub, calling the shots.
dangdangdoodle
2004-12-31 12:47:37 UTC
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Post by Dan Gett
I can hear you and every liberal toadie...on your knees...praying for
civil war in Iraq. You want the situation to descend into chaos so that
you can say that you were right. What a sick bunch of SOB's you all
are.
Just want you assholes to get the hell out of where you don't belong.
Stop giving a bad name to Democracy. Stop the unnecessary raping, lying,
torturing, bombing innocent people, etc, etc, etc. It takes some mighty
sickos indeed to believe going to war against Iraq was a good thing.
Post by Dan Gett
The foundation has been laid for this since after the 2000 defeat...and
the angry drumbeat of the left...undermining the President and the
Administration in the press and on television as often as your media
toadies can do it.
The Iraqi's want democracy worse than anything in the world. So despite
all of the violence and expense...and despite your best efforts to
discredit the effort...there will be elections.
What if they gave an election and nobody came? It all equals a US puppet
government anyway and only the cheating neocons want that. No
intelligent person believes real democracy can be spread by going to war
against a people and killing many of their people.

There is no need to undermine anyone. A fool like Bush jumps in the
rapids and 10 wise men cannot save him. Bush will go down as the worst
president ever, because he is.



Then the Iraqi armies
Post by Dan Gett
and the American and Coalition forces will topple the corrupt governments
in the Middle East like dominos.
And history will judge our President upon these merits.
Your president will ALWAYS be judged as the stupid mass murderering
warmonger that he is by all the sane people of the world. It'll be
Hitler, Bush, and etc....



And all of the
Post by Dan Gett
efforts by assholes like Mike Moore and Dan Rather will long be
forgotten. We will all be dead when the history books will
write the truth and reality about all of the great changes that our
President, George W. Bush, brought forth to the world. Truly, a NEW
WORLD ORDER, where AMERICA leads in influence, culture, economic and
military power.
Been to the bookstore lately? It's not the 50's anymore. There are
probably 10 to 1 anti Bush books. Plus more people will wise up to you
cave dwellers.

It's a NEW WORLD 'DIS'ORDER if you are not blind. And exactly when is
your president going to take the US out of the tail spin he put it in?
That's right. Without moral authority, AMERICA continuously loses
influence, culture, economic and military power.

You're damn near bankrupt in goodwill too, but your friends will be nice
to your face...

Creating a Democracy takes specific ingredients, and not of the ones
Bush has in his Pandora's box.
Post by Dan Gett
It is just a shame that you and your democrat friends will be on the
wrong side of history...again.
You're not on a side. You're in the dark UNDERworld, a place of no
light, Plato's cave, -too afraid of your own shadow to free yourself.
KStahl
2004-12-31 13:41:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dan Gett
I can hear you and every liberal toadie...on your knees...praying for
civil war in Iraq. You want the situation to descend into chaos so that
you can say that you were right. What a sick bunch of SOB's you all
are.
The foundation has been laid for this since after the 2000 defeat...and
the angry drumbeat of the left...undermining the President and the
Administration in the press and on television as often as your media
toadies can do it.
The Iraqi's want democracy worse than anything in the world. So despite
all of the violence and expense...and despite your best efforts to
discredit the effort...there will be elections. Then the Iraqi armies
and the American and Coalition forces will topple the corrupt governments
in the Middle East like dominos.
And history will judge our President upon these merits. And all of the
efforts by assholes like Mike Moore and Dan Rather will long be
forgotten. We will all be dead when the history books will
write the truth and reality about all of the great changes that our
President, George W. Bush, brought forth to the world. Truly, a NEW
WORLD ORDER, where AMERICA leads in influence, culture, economic and
military power.
It is just a shame that you and your democrat friends will be on the
wrong side of history...again.
Let's establish something right from the start. You don't know what you
are talking about. I knew that the moment you said that the Iraq's want
democracy worse then anything in the world. YOU can't possibly know
that. You don't live there. You have not mingled in their society. You
know nothing of their lives and their desires. You are just one more
neocon who is using words straight out of the conservative talking-head
mouths. They are stupid words. They are ignorant words. They are words
that condemn your own mindless thoughts to blithering banality.

In the end the U.S. doesn't care what the Iraqi's want or do not want.
We made the decision to pursue this war and the Iraqi's will get the
result regardless of whether they want it or not.

For your to even pretend to know the mind of the Iraqi's is nothing
short of recalcitrant ignorance.
--
If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing
- Anatole France
dangett
2004-12-31 19:05:45 UTC
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I know that my president is an honorable, moral, Christian man who
understands that life and freedom are the most important things that he
can leave the world as his legacy. For the first time in my life, I have
a president that I am proud of, and I stand by him and with him 100%.
Even though a few non insurgents have been killed in Iraq, the blood of
1300 of our boys has been spilled to give the Iraqi people FREEDOM. My
heart swells with pride as I think of FREEDOM spreading across the
Muslim world!!!!
MonkeyHawk
2004-12-31 19:20:51 UTC
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Post by dangett
I know that my president is an honorable, moral, Christian man who
understands that life and freedom are the most important things that he
can leave the world as his legacy.
[snip]

Funny, then, how George WMD Bush says he doesn't care what is legacy is.

"We'll all be dead," he says.
KStahl
2004-12-31 20:53:24 UTC
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Post by dangett
I know that my president is an honorable, moral, Christian man who
understands that life and freedom are the most important things that he
can leave the world as his legacy. For the first time in my life, I have
a president that I am proud of, and I stand by him and with him 100%.
Even though a few non insurgents have been killed in Iraq, the blood of
1300 of our boys has been spilled to give the Iraqi people FREEDOM. My
heart swells with pride as I think of FREEDOM spreading across the
Muslim world!!!!
You don't even know that. It might be possible to know that he pretends
to be honorable or moral or christian, but you can't really know that.
You don't know what goes on when the cameras are not rolling and there
are no tape recordings.

There is no freedom in the Islamic world. Just different forms of tyranny.

Why don't you go over there and shed your own blood if you believe in
the cause so much? That just might be the one thing that you can do to
enrich the world.
--
If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing
- Anatole France
Alabama Pete
2004-12-31 21:59:24 UTC
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Post by KStahl
Post by dangett
I know that my president is an honorable, moral, Christian man who
understands that life and freedom are the most important things that
he can leave the world as his legacy. For the first time in my life,
I have a president that I am proud of, and I stand by him and with
him 100%. Even though a few non insurgents have been killed in Iraq,
the blood of 1300 of our boys has been spilled to give the Iraqi
people FREEDOM. My heart swells with pride as I think of FREEDOM
spreading across the Muslim world!!!!
You don't even know that. It might be possible to know that he
pretends to be honorable or moral or christian, but you can't really
know that. You don't know what goes on when the cameras are not
rolling and there are no tape recordings.
There is no freedom in the Islamic world. Just different forms of tyranny.
Why don't you go over there and shed your own blood if you believe in
the cause so much? That just might be the one thing that you can do to
enrich the world.
Even Saudi Arabia would be a better target for liberation. Women cant
drive, cant been seen uncovered in public, and little girls have their
clitoruses cut off so they cant orgasm. Barbaric.
--
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http://www.cdlreport.com/
Stop Jewish Domination
http://www.jewwatch.com
Gaffo
2005-01-04 12:18:53 UTC
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Evangelical Religious Reicher's beleive in forcing the Endtimes (they
worship Revelation and interpret it in geopolitical terms and in
current time).

they have to:

1. invade the Heathens in the Middle East and

a.) convert them

b.) kill them

2. secure Israel's security by expelling ALL Palistinians (and
probably all Arab Israelis)

3. Build the third Temple on the dome of the Rock site (after leveling
the Mosque there of course).

4. Await Jesus' Return in glory - watch him destroy and kill all of
the People of the Earth the "elect". (of which only the Hardcore
Evangelical Fundamentalist Chrsitains are a member of).


there are MILLIONS of these freaks in the Red States


God help us!
Bush Rules, Dems Drool
2005-01-04 12:20:01 UTC
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One or two U.S. military ships [offshore] and 10 to 12 helicopters
[from their decks] is what has been sent to aid the 12 million homeless
and families of the nearly 300,000 dead [this is the figure coming from
most non-American media organizations]. Our HMOs have sent nothing nor
nobody to abate the spread of disease and putrefication.
The Japanese just gave, not only promised [like Bush], $350,000,000.
President Bush has actually DELIVERED water, food, and medical aid to the
tsunami victim while the Japanese haven't given shit. The Japanese have
TALKED about sending money (but have delivered none) while the Americans
have actually DELIVERED food, water, and medical aid, and THAT is what the
tsunami victims need.

How many aircraft carriers have the Japanese sent? NONE.
How many helicopters have the Japanese sent? NONE.
Therefore the Japanese are UNABLE to put food and water in the hands of the
tsunami victims.
Once again, it is the AMERICANS who are actually getting the job done.
European TALK is cheap, but it's AMERICA who actually do something USEFUL.

U.S. choppers find remote survivors

By Denis D. Gray
ASSOCIATED PRESS

KARIM RAJIA, Indonesia - U.S. helicopters yesterday rescued dozens of
desperate and weak tsunami survivors - including a young girl clutching a
stuffed Snoopy - as the American military relief operation reached out to
remote areas of Indonesia with cartons of food and water.
The United States, now spearheading the relief effort, is delivering
more supplies than any other nation.

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20050104-120818-1368r.htm
Evangelical Religious Reicher's beleive in forcing the Endtimes (they
worship Revelation and interpret it in geopolitical terms and in
[balance of hate-filled leftist bullshit snipped]
Hydratwo
2004-12-31 20:15:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: God bless America! God bless president Bush!
Date: 12/31/04 5:25 AM Eastern Standard Time
I can hear you and every liberal toadie...on your knees...praying for
civil war in Iraq. You want the situation to descend into chaos so that
you can say that you were right. What a sick bunch of SOB's you all
are.
The foundation has been laid for this since after the 2000 defeat...and
the angry drumbeat of the left...undermining the President and the
Administration in the press and on television as often as your media
toadies can do it.
The Iraqi's want democracy worse than anything in the world. So despite
all of the violence and expense...and despite your best efforts to
discredit the effort...there will be elections. Then the Iraqi armies
and the American and Coalition forces will topple the corrupt governments
in the Middle East like dominos.
And history will judge our President upon these merits. And all of the
efforts by assholes like Mike Moore and Dan Rather will long be
forgotten. We will all be dead when the history books will
write the truth and reality about all of the great changes that our
President, George W. Bush, brought forth to the world. Truly, a NEW
WORLD ORDER, where AMERICA leads in influence, culture, economic and
military power.
It is just a shame that you and your democrat friends will be on the
wrong side of history...again.
That is an ignorant thing to say in generalizing liberals considering some of
us actually did our military duty instead of slacking off like the fucking
chickenhawks you defend. Fuck them.

"You fucking son of a bitch. I saw what you wrote. We're not going to forget
this."
-George W. Bush to writer and editor Al Hunt, 1988

Democrats
Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V
Purple Hearts.
John Edwards: did not serve.
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and seven
campaign ribbons.
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and
Soldier's Medal.
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and
Legion of Merit.
Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star
with Combat V.
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
Chuck Robb: Vietnam
Howell Heflin: Silver Star
George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but drew
lottery # 311.
Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul
Wallenberg.
Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point, Vietnam, Purple Heart,
Silver Star. Retired 4-star general.
John Dingell: WWII vet John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea
Republicans
Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
Tom Delay: did not serve.
Roy Blunt (House Whip): did not serve.
Bill Frist: did not serve.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Trent Lott: did not serve.
Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven\deferments to teach business.
Jeb Bush: did not serve.
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." (the man who attacked Max
Cleland's patriotism).
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Vin Weber: did not serve.
Richard Perle: did not serve.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
Jon Kyl: did not serve.
Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
Christopher Cox: did not serve.
Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight
instructor.
George W. Bush: six-year Nat'l Guard commitment (incomplete).
Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making
movies.
Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
Phil Gramm: did not serve.
John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and
Distinguished Flying Cross.
Bob Dole: an honorable veteran.
Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986
JC Watts: did not serve.
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
G.H.W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.
Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.
Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
Clarence Thomas: did not serve
Pundits and Preachers
Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Rush Limbaugh: did not serve
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
Michael Savage: did not serve.
George Will: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Bennett: did not serve.
Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.


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a***@primus.com.au
2004-12-31 22:07:01 UTC
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Post by Dan Gett
I can hear you and every liberal toadie...on your knees...praying for
civil war in Iraq. You want the situation to descend into chaos so that
you can say that you were right. What a sick bunch of SOB's you all
are.
Actually many moderates, such as George H Bush recognized that the
removal of Saddam could lead to civil war which is why he did not get
rid of him after Gulf War I. It was Dumbya and the Neo-cons, that
created the current problem by starting the war in Iraq over WMD that
did not exist.
Post by Dan Gett
The foundation has been laid for this since after the 2000
defeat...and
Post by Dan Gett
the angry drumbeat of the left...undermining the President and the
Administration in the press and on television as often as your media
toadies can do it.
51% is hardly a landslide. Like Vietnam, support for the war in Iraq
has been continually dropping. I believe Neo-Conservatism will be
totally discredited.
Post by Dan Gett
The Iraqi's want democracy worse than anything in the world. So despite
all of the violence and expense...and despite your best efforts to
discredit the effort...there will be elections.
How do you know that? How many Iraqi's do you know. A USA Today poll
stated that 90% of Iraqi's wanted American troops to leave their
country. Why aren't you listening to them.

Then the Iraqi armies
Post by Dan Gett
and the American and Coalition forces will topple the corrupt
governments
Post by Dan Gett
in the Middle East like dominos.
And history will judge our President upon these merits. And all of the
efforts by assholes like Mike Moore and Dan Rather will long be
forgotten. We will all be dead when the history books will
write the truth and reality about all of the great changes that our
President, George W. Bush, brought forth to the world. Truly, a NEW
WORLD ORDER, where AMERICA leads in influence, culture, economic and
military power.
Scary, that some evangelicals actually believe their own rhetoric. I
found it interesting to not that Iraqi muslim insurgents are against
free elections because they claim it could lead to "gay marraige".
America's born again have more in common with islamic fundamentalist
than mainstream America. Eventually Dumbya Bush will be exposed for
being the idiot he truly is.
Roedy Green
2004-12-24 08:49:48 UTC
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 05:06:27 GMT, Brian Oakley
Post by Brian Oakley
You better check out the ACLU again. They are not for protecting rights,
but only the rights of those they WISH to protect.
You mean like fighting for the rights of a Christian to hand out
cookies with bible verses attached to them at school?

http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyMain.cfm


"Never in human history have such genocide and cruelty been witnessed.
Such a genocide was never seen in the time of the pharaohs nor of Hitler
nor of Mussolini."
~ Mehmet Elkatmi, head of Turkish parliament's human rights commission
on Bush's atrocities in the Iraq war.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes
tcarr
2004-12-24 10:21:13 UTC
Permalink
R.Green opined...

You mean like fighting for the rights of a Christian to hand out
cookies with bible verses attached to them at school?

http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyMain.cfm

Yes, Mr Canadian..the RIGHT of a free people to expression, and
speech

"The civil-liberties group hasn't lost its passion for secularism,
but this year's litigation news is being made by a different group of
plaintiffs. Religious families are the ones suing - to get their
Christmas back. And they're winning: This week, a kid named Jonathan
Morgan in Plano, Texas, prevailed over his local school district in a
lawsuit defending his right to hand out to his classmates candy canes
with a Christian message. Hallelujah.

Jonathan's case was handled pro bono by a couple of conservative legal
groups, and has lately won the attention of the Justice Department. His
victory is being seen as a key development in the crèche wars because
it correctly draws a line between religious endorsement by government
(e.g., a teacher preaching the Gospels) and personal religious
expression in a public place.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002129425_levy24.html

Why do folks like you in the great white north oppose freedom of
expression?



T.Carr
Christopher Helms
2004-12-24 10:30:31 UTC
Permalink
tcarr wrote in message
<***@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
R.Green opined...

You mean like fighting for the rights of a Christian to hand out
cookies with bible verses attached to them at school?

http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyMain.cfm

Yes, Mr Canadian..the RIGHT of a free people to expression, and
speech

"The civil-liberties group hasn't lost its passion for secularism,
but this year's litigation news is being made by a different group of
plaintiffs. Religious families are the ones suing - to get their
Christmas back. And they're winning: This week, a kid named Jonathan
Morgan in Plano, Texas, prevailed over his local school district in a
lawsuit defending his right to hand out to his classmates candy canes
with a Christian message. Hallelujah.

Jonathan's case was handled pro bono by a couple of conservative legal
groups, and has lately won the attention of the Justice Department. His
victory is being seen as a key development in the crèche wars because
it correctly draws a line between religious endorsement by government
(e.g., a teacher preaching the Gospels) and personal religious
expression in a public place.


The Bush administration is not trying to draw the line between religious
endorsement by government and personal religious expression in a public
place. They are trying to *eliminate* the line between religious endorsement
by government and personal religious expression in a public place.
Frank Provasek
2004-12-24 16:16:53 UTC
Permalink
"tcarr" <***@aol.com> wrote in message news:***@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
R.Green opined...

You mean like fighting for the rights of a Christian to hand out
cookies with bible verses attached to them at school?

http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyMain.cfm

Yes, Mr Canadian..the RIGHT of a free people to expression, and
speech

"The civil-liberties group hasn't lost its passion for secularism,
but this year's litigation news is being made by a different group of
plaintiffs. Religious families are the ones suing - to get their
Christmas back. And they're winning: This week, a kid named Jonathan
Morgan in Plano, Texas, prevailed over his local school district in a
lawsuit defending his right to hand out to his classmates candy canes
with a Christian message. Hallelujah.

Jonathan's case was handled pro bono by a couple of conservative legal
groups, and has lately won the attention of the Justice Department. His
victory is being seen as a key development in the crèche wars because
it correctly draws a line between religious endorsement by government
(e.g., a teacher preaching the Gospels) and personal religious
expression in a public place.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002129425_levy24.html

Why do folks like you in the great white north oppose freedom of
expression?



T.Carr

The Fundie Christian groups just don't realize which hypocrites they are.

They want to stop "taxpayer money" from funding the ACLU by banning
ACLU's right to get legal fees for cases they win...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285432/posts


Yet when Pat Robertson's front organization ACLJ sues cities to force
taxpayers
to fund religious proselytizing , guess what...they want legal fees if they
win (which is seldom)

http://www.demossnewspond.com/aclj/releases/2003%20Releases/sandiegochurch121703.htm


The Anti-ACLU people have NO CONCEPT of how our our legal system
works...where LOSER PAYS the legal fees of the winner. Or that the ACLU
does not "force its will" on the people or have the power to change
exisiting laws.

The ACLU represents PLANTIFFS who go to court which the initial cases
are almost always decided by JURY OF LOCAL PEOPLE...

http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/feb99/020399b.htm

And the USUAL scenario is when the state or local governenment LOSES the
ruling
BY THE PEOPLE, they APPEAL to a higher court, in order to KEEP enforcing
laws which discriminate, the court usually agrees with the jury and AFFIRMS
the RULING OF THE PEOPLE, and OVERRULES the state or local government.

Frank Provasek
Former board member
ACLU of Texas
NoUser
2004-12-24 19:33:40 UTC
Permalink
Write to ***@earthlink.com and have this filthy traiters
internet account cancelled.
Post by Frank Provasek
The Fundie Christian groups just don't realize which hypocrites they are.
They want to stop "taxpayer money" from funding the ACLU by banning
ACLU's right to get legal fees for cases they win...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285432/posts
Yet when Pat Robertson's front organization ACLJ sues cities to force
taxpayers
to fund religious proselytizing , guess what...they want legal fees if
they win (which is seldom)
http://www.demossnewspond.com/aclj/releases/2003%20Releases/sandiegochu
rch121703.htm
The Anti-ACLU people have NO CONCEPT of how our our legal system
works...where LOSER PAYS the legal fees of the winner. Or that the
ACLU does not "force its will" on the people or have the power to
change exisiting laws.
The ACLU represents PLANTIFFS who go to court which the initial cases
are almost always decided by JURY OF LOCAL PEOPLE...
http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/feb99/020399b.htm
And the USUAL scenario is when the state or local governenment LOSES
the ruling
BY THE PEOPLE, they APPEAL to a higher court, in order to KEEP
enforcing laws which discriminate, the court usually agrees with the
jury and AFFIRMS the RULING OF THE PEOPLE, and OVERRULES the state or
local government.
Frank Provasek
Former board member
ACLU of Texas
Terwilliger
2004-12-24 22:07:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by NoUser
internet account cancelled.
I think I'd rather write to ***@prodigy.net and talk to them about
4.253.77.187
Post by NoUser
Post by Frank Provasek
The Fundie Christian groups just don't realize which hypocrites they are.
They want to stop "taxpayer money" from funding the ACLU by banning
ACLU's right to get legal fees for cases they win...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1285432/posts
Yet when Pat Robertson's front organization ACLJ sues cities to force
taxpayers
to fund religious proselytizing , guess what...they want legal fees if
they win (which is seldom)
http://www.demossnewspond.com/aclj/releases/2003%20Releases/sandiegochu
rch121703.htm
The Anti-ACLU people have NO CONCEPT of how our our legal system
works...where LOSER PAYS the legal fees of the winner. Or that the
ACLU does not "force its will" on the people or have the power to
change exisiting laws.
The ACLU represents PLANTIFFS who go to court which the initial cases
are almost always decided by JURY OF LOCAL PEOPLE...
http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/feb99/020399b.htm
And the USUAL scenario is when the state or local governenment LOSES
the ruling
BY THE PEOPLE, they APPEAL to a higher court, in order to KEEP
enforcing laws which discriminate, the court usually agrees with the
jury and AFFIRMS the RULING OF THE PEOPLE, and OVERRULES the state or
local government.
Frank Provasek
Former board member
ACLU of Texas
Prof. James Slaughter
2004-12-25 01:18:59 UTC
Permalink
The only thing the ACLU is concerned about is the Gay Agenda
and the Jew agenda.
--
James Slaughter, Professor of Biblical Study
Criswell Biblical Institute of Creation Science
Dallas, Texas USA
www.criswell.edu Radio webcast http://www.kcbi.org
jls
2004-12-25 01:55:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The only thing the ACLU is concerned about is the Gay Agenda
and the Jew agenda.
Ah, Prof. Anti-Semite, I see you are well-trained by the hater, W. A.
Criswell, the anti-Semite. I used to hear him rail about Catholics too.
Frank Provasek
2004-12-25 05:04:03 UTC
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Post by jls
Ah, Prof. Anti-Semite, I see you are well-trained by the hater, W. A.
Criswell, the anti-Semite. I used to hear him rail about Catholics too.
When I was going to Catholic school in the 1960s (in Fort Worth) Criswell
and the
Southern Baptists lobbied against aid to Catholic schools. A 1962 article
by Father
John Courtney Murray stated:

"It is not surprising, therefore, that one of the head-on collisions in the
current debate is precisely on the issue of religious freedom. Last year, to
mention only a few groups, the National Council of Churches, the National
Lutheran Council, the Baptist Joint Committee on the Public Affairs and the
American Jewish Congress testified through their spokesmen that it would
violate the religious freedom of their members to make public funds to
church- related elementary and secondary schools. Some groups hesitated on
the issue of loans, but on grants there was unanimity. Most of the groups
also claimed that such a violation of their religious freedom would violate
the Constitution, as plainly interpreted by the Supreme Court. All claimed
that such a violation was bad public policy.

"On the other side, the groups that supported at least some kind of
participation in federal aid by the private nonprofit schools claimed that
the religious freedom of their members would be diminished if participation
were denied. Orthodox Jewish groups like Agudath Israel and Torah Umesorah,
the nondenominational Citizens for Educational Freedom, and the National
Catholic Welfare Conference all argued that it was in the public interest
for the government to respect the freedom of parental choice, especially
when religious beliefs motivate that choice. Only one of these
organizations, however, Citizens for Educational Freedom, went to the extent
of arguing that exclusion of the private nonprofit schools would be
unconstitutional.

" Speaking for the National Council of Churches, Dr. Gerald Knoff testified
that the Protestant Churches "see the general public service argument as
being wholly inapplicable to these schools." Church-related schools are
primarily and intrinsically ecclesiastical instruments; any public service
they perform is a by-product. The National Council of Churches spoke of
"destroying" the public school system, or at least of "weakening" it so
gravely "that it could not possibly adequately meet the educational needs of
all the children of our growing society." The Baptist Joint Committee on
Public Affairs spoke of "intolerable educational chaos." "



What a change in a generation, as evangelical Christians lobby for Federal
funds for "faith based" organizations and schools, reversing their previous
arguments and now claiming public service is the primary objective and
religion is only a by-product! Conservative think-tanks issue reports
calling vouchers for religious schools a CIVIL RIGHT. And in the 2002
Zelman decision, the US Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of
publicly funded vouchers to private religious schools.

And what is being taught about other religions, thanks to the dollars of
taxpayers? Their textbooks speak for themselves, as reported by Frances
Patterson of RethinkingSchools.org:

"To say that Christian fundamentalist textbooks portray Roman Catholicism
and non-Western religions in a negative way is to understate the case by
several orders of magnitude. All the texts are imbued with an arrogance and
hostility toward non-Western religions that is truly breathtaking.

This animus toward other religions is intimately tied to the theological
roots of fundamentalist Christian perspectives. As researchers Gaddy, Hall,
and Maranzo have noted, because Christian fundamentalists believe that truth
can only be found in "God's infallible, literal Word revealed in the Bible,
religious tolerance toward others with different values and different world
views must be rejected." 1

Criticism of other religions and Christian denominations frequently revolve
around the issue of salvation by faith alone versus salvation by good works.
Indeed, this was and remains one of the primary differences between Roman
Catholicism and Protestantism (with Catholics upholding the importance of
good works). As one booklet notes, "Only Christianity requires simple faith
rather than good works. Only in Christianity is salvation provided through a
person rather than through good works." 2

In looking at the treatment of religion, I again studied three major
textbook publishers for fundamentalist Christian schools and home-schoolers:
A Beka Press, Bob Jones University Press, and School of Tomorrow/Accelerated
Christian Education. I drew on a wider range of the textbooks and materials
than in my discussion of politics and included substantially more material
from world history and geography textbooks and, in some instances, from
English literature texts.

Materials from the three publishers have a recurring theme: that the lack of
material progress in various Third World countries and among indigenous
peoples can be attributed to their religious beliefs. The publishers also
share a tremendous emphasis on conservative Protestant missionary activity;
approving passages abound about individual missionaries and Christian
converts and the need for both historical and contemporary evangelism.

In one textbook's discussion of India, for example, students are asked how
Hinduism contributed "to this country's sad fate." Students are then
encouraged to contrast India with the United States and told, "If we refused
to kill disease-carrying insects, allowed filthy animals to roam around in
public places, and refused to eat meat for nourishment, do you think we
would be as prosperous as we are?" 3

A great majority of material in the books and literature studied are
unobjectionable: map studies, discussions of Revolutionary War battles,
information about the kings and queens of England, facts about the invention
of the cotton gin, and so forth. Nevertheless, many statements related to
non-Western religions raise serious issues that should be part of the public
debate over the use of public funding for sectarian education and the use of
these materials for home schooling.

Following is a brief summary of how the materials studied describe religions
that differ from fundamentalist Christian Protestantism.

AFRICAN RELIGIONS
In general, A Beka's history textbooks emphasize Africa's need for Christian
evangelism. 4 In addition to derogatory comments about the religious beliefs
of non-Christian Africans, the textbooks assert that their religious beliefs
have been the major cause of the continent's lack of cultural and material
progress and political instability and repression.

In A Beka's fifth-grade text, students read that traditional African
religions were "false religious beliefs." 5 In one text box, students are
introduced to a Christian convert, Chief Khama, who successfully ruled his
people even though the "land was ruled by witchcraft" and the people drank
their traditional corn beer which made them "lazy and wicked." 6 While
discussing the work of Scottish missionary Mary Slessor, the text uses the
term "savage" on three separate occasions.7 The text also notes that " The
witch doctors used many evil and cruel practices. Some of the people were
cannibals." 8

Oppressive governments are ascribed solely to the influence of traditional
African religions: "In countries where the people are still held in fear by
witchcraft and spirit worship, [postcolonial] self-government soon turned
into dictatorship." 9 A Beka's senior high text ascribes southern Africa's
economic problems to the absence of Christianity: "For over a thousand
years, there was no clear Christian witness in the vast heartland of Africa;
the fear, idolatry, superstition, and witchcraft associated with animism
(the belief that natural objects and forces are inhabited by mostly
malignant spirits) prevented most Africans from learning how to use nature
for man's benefit and thus develop a high culture like that of the other
African empires." 10

Bob Jones' seventh-grade text takes a particularly strong stance regarding
the spiritual error of traditional African religions: "This religion, like
all false religions, is based on works and cannot give blessing or salvation
(Ephesians 2:8-9). The strong influence of magic and demonism on African
religion made much of African life unhappy and savage. Satan's strong hold
on these people kept them worshiping him rather than the true God." 11

Teachers are advised to "emphasize that African religion was one of
superstition and demonism. This kind of religion is growing today in the
West, and Christian students must be prepared to stand against it. Satanism
is especially prevalent in contemporary music ... ." 12

ISLAM
In A Beka's elementary world history text, fifth graders read that Islam is
"a false religion." 13 Seventh graders read that although "over 500 people
saw the resurrected Jesus Christ, no one witnessed Mohammed's supposed
encounters with the angels." 14

According to A Beka's senior high school textbook, Muhammad "combined
elements of a corrupted and distorted Christianity in a legalistic
religion." 15 Islam itself is described as "a fanatically anti-Christian
faith" that has resisted the efforts of Protestant missionaries.16

The authors' theological difference with Islam is similar to one of their
primary criticisms of Roman Catholicism. Because Catholics and Muslims both
believe salvation can be achieved by the activities of human beings, (as
opposed to salvation by grace alone), it falls short of Christian salvation:
"External requirements," such as prayer, fasting, giving alms, and making
pilgrimages "involve no true repentance or miraculous regeneration as does
Biblical salvation." 17

Bob Jones' world history text for sixth graders emphasizes the need for
conversion of non-Protestants. Thus, after a fairly straightforward
description of Muhammad and the origins of Islam, students read that "the
darkness of Islamic religion keeps the people of Turkey from Jesus Christ as
their savior." 18

HINDUISUM
Hinduism comes in for, perhaps, the strongest antipathy. In A Beka's texts,
the term "pagan" is frequently used to describe the Hindu religion and the
beliefs of its adherents. 19 The term "evil" is also used. 20

Its fifth-grade history textbook emphasizes what it considers to be the
negative effects of Hinduism on India: "The effects of Hinduism have been
devastating to India's history." 21

The seventh grade text quotes an unidentified scholar arguing that the
Hindus are "incapable of writing history [because] all that happens is
dissipated in their minds into confused dreams. What we call historical
truth and veracity - intelligent, thoughtful comprehension of events, and
fidelity in representing them - nothing of this sort can be looked for among
the Hindus." 22

BUDDHISM
Buddhism, like Islam, traces its origins to a particular individual and
Buddha, like Muhammad, is denigrated in Christian school texts. Fifth
graders reading A Beka's history textbook learn that Buddha's search for
enlightenment involved "leav[ing] his wife and newborn son" and engaging in
unsuccessful "self-torture." 23 The students are reminded that "we serve a
living Savior, not a dead teacher." 24

For sixth graders using one text published by Bob Jones University Press,
each mention of Buddhism is accompanied by a brief passage comparing
Buddhism's deficiencies with the true religion of Christianity. For example,
students read that "although these [Burmese] Buddhists are sincerely trying
to live a good life and do good deeds, they will never receive the peace
they seek. These people need to know the Savior." 25

The School of Tomorrow/Accelerated Christian Education materials describe
Buddhism's nirvana as "a type of heaven" and students read that "it is very
important to note that Buddha's nirvana was in direct contrast with what the
Bible teaches about heaven." 26 Later, the text states: "Hinayana Buddhism
has retained Buddha's belief in a lifeless heaven where people would have no
knowledge of being alive. Jesus Christ directly opposed this belief in John
3:15-17 and many other passages." 27

ROMAN CATHOLICISM
Anti-Catholic bias is most prevalent in books published by A Beka. One
particularly striking aspect of the texts is the sense that theological
battles of the Protestant Reformation continue unabated to the present day.
In the texts, bias against Roman Catholics and the Catholic Church is
exclusively theological rather than socio-cultural.

Descriptions of contemporary life in European countries that are primarily
Roman Catholic frequently include derogatory statements about the Church:
"Almost all the children of [the Republic of] Ireland grow up believing in
the traditions of the Roman Catholic church without knowing of God's free
salvation." 28

A Beka's seventh grade world history book, for example, describes the early
Roman church (before 500 A.D.) as "a monstrous distortion of Biblical
Christianity." 29 Speaking of the Crusades, the text speculates that "if
Christendom had succeeded with its crusades, distorted Christianity might
have been imposed on all mankind." 30 In the chapter titled "The Age of
Darkness," which is subtitled "Distorted Christianity, Holy Roman Empire,
Renaissance," the author writes, "The papacy had always distorted
Christianity. ·" 31

In all, the seventh grade book uses the term "distorted" or its variants 28
times in the six chapters in which its discussions of the Roman Catholic
faith are most concentrated.

Tenth graders using A Beka books are taught that "the doctrines and
practices of the Roman church had digressed so far from Scripture that the
church was compelled to keep its members from reading the Bible and
discovering the truth." 32

COMMENTS
The materials' attitude toward Roman Catholicism and non-Western religions
raises serious issues that should be part of the public debate over the use
of public funding for sectarian education. Two of the many questions raised:


a.. How much respect for the rights of members of minority religions could
ordinary citizens, elected representatives, and government employees,
including judges, have if their educational background included a school
curriculum based on these textbooks?

b.. Is it fair to use the coercive power of the state to collect tax
revenues that are then used to support educational institutions that malign
the religion of the taxpayer? It is one thing to say, "This is what I
believe." It is something else to say, "Your religion is in error."
It is surely far removed from the spirit of religious tolerance, however
imperfectly applied in our nation, to make statements that encourage
American children to despise the religion of their fellow citizens.

Footnotes
1 Barbara. B. Gaddy, T. William Hall, and Robert J. Marzano, School Wars:
Resolving Our Conflicts over Religion and Values (San Francisco, Cal.:
Jossey-Bass, 1996), p. 145.

2 World Geography-10. Social Studies (#1106), rev. 1998 (N.p.: Accelerated
Christian Education, 1994), p. 6.

3 Old World History and Geography, Teacher Edition (Pensacola, Fla.: A Beka,
1991), p. 213.

4 The term "Christian" applies only to conservative Protestant evangelism.
Missionary activity by other Christian denominations, including Roman
Catholic missionary activity, is ignored, given perfunctory coverage, or
criticized or ridiculed.

5 Old World History, p. 247.

6 Old World History, p. 252.

7 "Savage warriors," "savage tribe," and "savage land." Old World History,
p. 256.

8 Old World History, p. 256.

9 Old World History, p. 256-57.

10 George Thompson and Jerry Combee. World History and Cultures in Christian
Perspective. 2nd edition (Pensacola, Fla: A Beka, 1997), p. 86.

11 World Studies for Christian Schools, Teacher's Edition (Greenville, S.C.:
Bob Jones University Press, 1993), p. 353.

12 World Studies, p. 78T.

13 Old World History, p. 89.

14 Jerry H. Combee, History of the World in Christian Perspective, Teacher
Edition, 3rd ed. (Pensacola, Fla.: A Beka, 1997), pp. 147, 151.

15 Thompson and Combee, p. 34.

16 Thompson and Combee, p. 36.

17 Thompson and Combee, p. 35.

18 Heritage Studies for Christian Schools 6, p. 186.

19 See, for example, Old World History, p. 210.

20 Old World History, pp. 213, 214.

21 The senior high school text also mentions idols. A discussion of Indian
contributions to the world is prefaced by this phrase: "Although India
culture was dominated by Hindu idolatry. . ." Thompson and Combee, p. 47.

22 Combee, p. 279.

23 Old World History, p. 212.

24 Old World History, p. 212.

25 Heritage Studies for Christian Schools 6, pp. 222-23.

26 Early Middle Ages, p. 31.

27 Early Middle Ages, p. 31.

28 Heritage Studies for Christian Schools 6: Eastern Hemisphere Nations
(Greenville, S.C.: Bob Jones University Press, 1986), p. 41.

29 Combee, p. 192.

30 Combee, p. 155

31 Combee, p. 184.

32 Thompson and Combee, p. 167 "
Pastor Joey Faust
2004-12-26 05:42:36 UTC
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Post by jls
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The only thing the ACLU is concerned about is the Gay Agenda
and the Jew agenda.
Ah, Prof. Anti-Semite, I see you are well-trained by the hater, W. A.
Criswell, the anti-Semite. I used to hear him rail about Catholics too.
Do you deny that the ACLU is headed by a sodomite named Anthony Romano?
Do you deny that most of the ACLU board consists of Jew lawyers?
--
Kingdom Baptist Church, Venus, Texas
We Testify against sinners: John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it
hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
www.kingdombaptist.org
mikejj222
2004-12-26 14:17:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pastor Joey Faust
Post by jls
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The only thing the ACLU is concerned about is the Gay Agenda
and the Jew agenda.
Ah, Prof. Anti-Semite, I see you are well-trained by the hater, W. A.
Criswell, the anti-Semite. I used to hear him rail about Catholics too.
Do you deny that the ACLU is headed by a sodomite named Anthony
Romano? Do you deny that most of the ACLU board consists of Jew
lawyers?
"Jew." It is not a religion. The majority of Israelites are atheist.
At this very moment, jews are craftily trying to make a designer virus
that will discern Arabs for their DNA differences from jewish DNA. And
I don't want to hear all this buzz about Khazar versus Sephardic jews or
who deserves to claim to be descended from the Biblical family of
Abraham. There is a group of people scattered throughout the world that
calls itself jewish. We all know who they are, just as they do. They
are racially identifiable, even if of two or three flavors. They get
the label "jew," and that is reality, history aside.

"Zionist." Used to mean those who worked toward the establishment of a
jewish homeland. Now it means jewish supremacist, pure and simple.
Kind of like white supremacist, only kosher. Zionists are the real
problem and they are found among the ranks of jews everywhere. They are
the ones that always cross the line and get the whole lot of them thrown
out of a country. You don't believe this? Ok, then you offer a single
logical reason why it has happened, time and again, in all the European
countries. Zionism is racism of the first order.

Yes, jews do get persecuted. What gets overlooked is the reason. Kind
of like focusing on the rights of the murderer and not his victim. "Oy!
Foist Egypt, den Germany, now here. Vhy are dey poisecuting us so?"
Trust me, they know precisely why.
Andrealphus
2004-12-25 03:42:27 UTC
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Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The only thing the ACLU is concerned about is the Gay Agenda
and the Jew agenda.
Paranoid much?
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."

Albert Einstein
Matty
2004-12-25 11:41:11 UTC
Permalink
On 2004-12-25 14:18:59 +1300, "Prof. James Slaughter"
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The only thing the ACLU is concerned about is the Gay Agenda
and the Jew agenda.
Dear god, not the grand unified conspiracy theory.

Matty
Terwilliger
2004-12-26 01:27:07 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:18:59 GMT, "Prof. James Slaughter"
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The only thing the ACLU is concerned about is the Gay Agenda
and the Jew agenda.
Is that why they're always defending the rights of Christians to
exercise freedom of religion?
MonkeyHawk
2004-12-26 02:07:49 UTC
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Post by Terwilliger
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:18:59 GMT, "Prof. James Slaughter"
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The only thing the ACLU is concerned about is the Gay Agenda
and the Jew agenda.
Is that why they're always defending the rights of Christians to
exercise freedom of religion?
I think we can be reasonably assured that "Prof. James Slaughter" is a
nutcase who won't be happy until the United States adopts the King James
Version of the Constitution of the United States.

There is nothing logically consistent with "Prof. James Slaughter's"
professed fundamentalist evangelism and contemporary conservative
Republicanism, and whenever the discrepancy arises, "Prof. James Slaughter"
and other alleged "Christians" side with the Republicans' interests over the
Christ's.

"Prof. James Slaughter," if he is like the vast majority of politically
active fundamentalists (a la Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, etc.) knows all
too well the charlatanism of evangelical "Christianity." Under the
protection of tax-free status, religious institutions ply all sorts of
programs to suck from the public teat. Little did they expect to come up
with a President who was so gullible to believe *he* is the agent of God
(and speaks to and for Him), able to set up the Battle of Armageddon.
"Prof. James Slaughter" knows that the Revelation according to John is
fantasy and the best way to bet is on the side that guarantees you a place
in the public trough.

If, somehow, George WMD Bush *doesn't* lead us to wormwood, evangelicals
(whose predictions of impending Rapture, Tribulation, and Doomsday) are
hedging their bets, fighting fiercely to retain their tax-exempt status as
they advocate the socializing of Wall Street through George WMD Bush's
effort to privatize Social Security.

Apparently "Prof. James Slaughter" and others think Jesus was just kidding
when he said, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's."

Any "God" who might find Himself blessing George WMD Bush cannot be an
omniscient being, for the *true* God would know better.


.
.
Pastor Joey Faust
2004-12-26 05:44:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Terwilliger
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:18:59 GMT, "Prof. James Slaughter"
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The only thing the ACLU is concerned about is the Gay Agenda
and the Jew agenda.
Is that why they're always defending the rights of Christians to
exercise freedom of religion?
The ACLU only defends the rights of Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists and
America-haters.
--
Kingdom Baptist Church, Venus, Texas
We Testify against sinners: John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it
hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
www.kingdombaptist.org
Aladdin Sane
2004-12-26 08:42:52 UTC
Permalink
Baptist. Kingdom BAPTIST! Baptists are another example of the way SATAN
decieves. Satan has misled the Baptists until they are unwitting, but some
willing, minions of Satan.
--
*
/?\
/___\
-O=O-
^
AS & His Magic Hat

A conclusion is simply the place
where you decided to stop thinking.
Post by Pastor Joey Faust
Post by Terwilliger
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:18:59 GMT, "Prof. James Slaughter"
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The only thing the ACLU is concerned about is the Gay Agenda
and the Jew agenda.
Is that why they're always defending the rights of Christians to
exercise freedom of religion?
The ACLU only defends the rights of Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists and
America-haters.
--
Kingdom Baptist Church, Venus, Texas
We Testify against sinners: John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it
hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
www.kingdombaptist.org
MonkeyHawk
2004-12-26 09:12:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Aladdin Sane
Baptist. Kingdom BAPTIST! Baptists are another example of the way SATAN
decieves. Satan has misled the Baptists until they are unwitting, but
some willing, minions of Satan.
I think you're being overly harsh.

The only problem with Baptists is they don't hold 'em under water long
enough.
Terwilliger
2004-12-27 00:21:47 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 05:44:54 GMT, Pastor Joey Faust
Post by Pastor Joey Faust
Post by Terwilliger
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:18:59 GMT, "Prof. James Slaughter"
Post by Prof. James Slaughter
The only thing the ACLU is concerned about is the Gay Agenda
and the Jew agenda.
Is that why they're always defending the rights of Christians to
exercise freedom of religion?
The ACLU only defends the rights of Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists and
America-haters.
So, is your ignorance and stupidity proof that you're un-American?
richard schumacher
2004-12-26 21:39:44 UTC
Permalink
Would that be the God who sent His love washing over southeast Asia? A
birthday gift from Jesus, no doubt. Yes, we certainly hope that that
god blesses the incumbent president.
Dana
2004-12-27 00:20:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by richard schumacher
Would that be the God who sent His love washing over southeast Asia?
God had nothing to do with it.
It was all because of plate tectonics.
richard schumacher
2004-12-27 17:07:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dana
Post by richard schumacher
Would that be the God who sent His love washing over southeast Asia?
God had nothing to do with it.
It was all because of plate tectonics.
Are you saying that God didn't design the tectonic plates? Or that He
didn't know what would happen? Or He did know but didn't care? Or that
He knew and cared, but was powerless to prevent it? Eww. What an icky,
worthless God.
reality
2004-12-28 23:34:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by richard schumacher
Would that be the God who sent His love washing over southeast Asia?
A
Post by richard schumacher
birthday gift from Jesus, no doubt.
Yes.

According to "professor K00kdrool" of the Criswell Biblical Institute
of Creation Science, God hates everyone except for the wingnut ko0Ks
down there in Dallas, Texas that buy into his BS. Therefore God must
have wanted dead all of those dirty Muslims and Asians down there,
along with the tourists (who were probably all fornicators) from thirty
or so foreign countries that got caught up in the disaster.
Post by richard schumacher
Yes, we certainly hope that
god blesses the incumbent president.
You *do* know that Bush has a 'secret shoe phone' that he uses to speak
directly to Him for divine guidance, right?
Michael Azzam
2005-01-04 21:05:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Oakley
Post by Dr. Jean Tant
Post by Gretchen Howard
I just had to share a picture of our victorious Bush-Cheney "team."
That's me holding the newspaper with the headlines "Strengthened
Standing." My little sister has on a Bush-Cheney t-shirt, and my
brother holds a Bush-Cheney sign he made all by himself. 3 Cheers for
Victory! 3 Cheers for 4 More Years! Praise Jesus!
To all you losers...GET OVER IT.
AND GET BACK TO GOD!!!!!
http://www.ylcf.org/heartbeat/hello/203/1073/640/wvictory.jpg
Gretchen Howard
Albany, Oregon.
You are truly a sick, sick person with no idea of what true
Americanism is about.
You better check out the ACLU again. They are not for protecting rights,
but only the rights of those they WISH to protect.
Check out the ACLJ.org website and you will find out a few things about the
ACLU.
B.
ACLU protects NAMBLA perverts. Guess that's what's being an American is
all about.
Topaz
2004-12-24 20:30:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dr. Jean Tant
You are truly a sick, sick person with no idea of what true Americanism is
about.
This is what true Americanism is now about:

NEA, Gay Militants: Joined At The Hip
Lee Duigon

If a private citizen tells his neighbor's children that they ought to
try
gay sex, he might wind up in a correctional facility. If he talks that
way
to your 13-year-old son, you'll want him put away--pronto.

But when this very same behavior, toward the same children, is
displayed by
adults who belong to America's biggest teachers' union, most parents
simply
let them do it. In fact, they pay them to.

The NEA is committed to the cause of militant homosexuality. It's the
richest, most politically powerful union in America, and it has daily
access
to most of America's children. And it wants to recruit them for the
homosexual lifestyle.

Lean this equation, America:

Public schools=The homosexual agenda

If you don't believe it, visit nea-glc.org/, the website of the
National
Education Association's Gay and Lesbian Coalition. There, among their
"great
achievements" in shaping NEA policy, the homosexual militants cite the
NEA's
promotion of "the lesbian-gay-bisexual curriculum" and "family life
education... regarding the diversity of sexual orientation."

The NEA has also campaigned for the proclamation of
"Gay-Lesbian-Bisexual-Transsexual History Month" (try putting that on
a
T-shirt), homosexual studies at Catholic colleges--and, of course,
homosexual "marriage."

The people of Massachusetts know the teachers' union's commitment to
"gay
marriage." Aline Isaacson of GLSEN (Gay-Lesbian-Straight Education
Network),
the media's favorite poster gal for "gay marriage", is
also--surprise!--a
paid consultant to the Massachusetts teachers' union. Paid in taxpayer
dollars, to boot. (You may remember Massachusetts GLSEN from a few
years ago
as the organizers of graphic, intensely perverted sex "workshops" for
public
school children--a scandal that came to be known as "fist-gate.")

Ms. Isaacson, according to the grass-roots Article 8 Alliance, these
days
makes it a full-time job lobbying state legislators to keep them from
jumping ship on "gay marriage" and voting for the Bill of Address
which
would remove the outlaw Supreme Judicial Court judges who imposed this
oxymoron on the people of Massachusetts. Supported by taxpayers'
money, she
makes daily, face-to-face visits to individual lawmakers. Nice work if
you
can get it.

Too bad you couldn't make it to the gym teachers' state convention in
New
Jersey, in February. It wasn't about volleyball. For public school gym
teachers, Job One--according to the convention's floor displays,
handouts,
posters, and workshop topics (all of which I saw personally)--is
getting the
kids comfy with homosexuality. To this end, they handed out a
"resource
guide"--handsomely produced, slick, paid for largely by Fleet Bank
Inc.--intended for distribution in all the public schools. (For more
information, see my article, "Now It's the Gym Teachers," in the
February
archive of the Chalcedon website, chalcedon.edu.)

You would have seen even more of the same at "Twenty Years of Great
Sex
(Ed)" last year, a national conference of "sex educators" hosted by
Rutgers,
New Jersey's taxpayer-funded state university. Again, there was no
effort to
hide the educators' whole-hearted penchant for homosexuality...





www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.altermedia.info http://www.RealNews247.com
Fred Cherry
2004-12-25 01:37:05 UTC
Permalink
I remember the time that the Jew comedian Danny Kaye appeared on
television in support of the ACLU's action in behalf of the Nazis. I was
totally amazed. I just could not understand how a Jew person could do
something like that. Then a few years later I understood. A few years
later when Danny Kaye died it was revealed that he was a faggot. Then
everything made perfect sense. When one considers all that the ACLU has
done to advance the cause of homosexuality, it is only natural (or
should I say UNnatural) that a faggot should do all he could in behalf
of the ACLU.
Post by Topaz
Post by Dr. Jean Tant
You are truly a sick, sick person with no idea of what true
Americanism is about.
NEA, Gay Militants: Joined At The Hip
Lee Duigon
If a private citizen tells his neighbor's children that they ought to
try
gay sex, he might wind up in a correctional facility. If he talks that
way
to your 13-year-old son, you'll want him put away--pronto.
But when this very same behavior, toward the same children, is
displayed by
adults who belong to America's biggest teachers' union, most parents
simply
let them do it. In fact, they pay them to.
The NEA is committed to the cause of militant homosexuality. It's the
richest, most politically powerful union in America, and it has daily
access
to most of America's children. And it wants to recruit them for the
homosexual lifestyle.
Public schools=The homosexual agenda
If you don't believe it, visit nea-glc.org/, the website of the
National
Education Association's Gay and Lesbian Coalition. There, among their
"great
achievements" in shaping NEA policy, the homosexual militants cite the
NEA's
promotion of "the lesbian-gay-bisexual curriculum" and "family life
education... regarding the diversity of sexual orientation."
The NEA has also campaigned for the proclamation of
"Gay-Lesbian-Bisexual-Transsexual History Month" (try putting that on
a
T-shirt), homosexual studies at Catholic colleges--and, of course,
homosexual "marriage."
The people of Massachusetts know the teachers' union's commitment to
"gay
marriage." Aline Isaacson of GLSEN (Gay-Lesbian-Straight Education
Network),
the media's favorite poster gal for "gay marriage", is
also--surprise!--a
paid consultant to the Massachusetts teachers' union. Paid in taxpayer
dollars, to boot. (You may remember Massachusetts GLSEN from a few
years ago
as the organizers of graphic, intensely perverted sex "workshops" for
public
school children--a scandal that came to be known as "fist-gate.")
Ms. Isaacson, according to the grass-roots Article 8 Alliance, these
days
makes it a full-time job lobbying state legislators to keep them from
jumping ship on "gay marriage" and voting for the Bill of Address
which
would remove the outlaw Supreme Judicial Court judges who imposed this
oxymoron on the people of Massachusetts. Supported by taxpayers'
money, she
makes daily, face-to-face visits to individual lawmakers. Nice work if
you
can get it.
Too bad you couldn't make it to the gym teachers' state convention in
New
Jersey, in February. It wasn't about volleyball. For public school gym
teachers, Job One--according to the convention's floor displays,
handouts,
posters, and workshop topics (all of which I saw personally)--is
getting the
kids comfy with homosexuality. To this end, they handed out a
"resource
guide"--handsomely produced, slick, paid for largely by Fleet Bank
Inc.--intended for distribution in all the public schools. (For more
information, see my article, "Now It's the Gym Teachers," in the
February
archive of the Chalcedon website, chalcedon.edu.)
You would have seen even more of the same at "Twenty Years of Great
Sex
(Ed)" last year, a national conference of "sex educators" hosted by
Rutgers,
New Jersey's taxpayer-funded state university. Again, there was no
effort to
hide the educators' whole-hearted penchant for homosexuality...
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.altermedia.info http://www.RealNews247.com
Aladdin Sane
2004-12-25 01:54:15 UTC
Permalink
Hey Fred Cherry, shake the pits out of your head. You are a fascist and a
follower of Satan. Zeig Heil pit head.
--
*
/?\
/___\
-O=O-
^
AS & His Magic Hat

A conclusion is simply the place
where you decided to stop thinking.
Post by Fred Cherry
I remember the time that the Jew comedian Danny Kaye appeared on
television in support of the ACLU's action in behalf of the Nazis. I was
totally amazed. I just could not understand how a Jew person could do
something like that. Then a few years later I understood. A few years
later when Danny Kaye died it was revealed that he was a faggot. Then
everything made perfect sense. When one considers all that the ACLU has
done to advance the cause of homosexuality, it is only natural (or
should I say UNnatural) that a faggot should do all he could in behalf
of the ACLU.
Post by Topaz
Post by Dr. Jean Tant
You are truly a sick, sick person with no idea of what true
Americanism is about.
NEA, Gay Militants: Joined At The Hip
Lee Duigon
If a private citizen tells his neighbor's children that they ought to
try
gay sex, he might wind up in a correctional facility. If he talks that
way
to your 13-year-old son, you'll want him put away--pronto.
But when this very same behavior, toward the same children, is
displayed by
adults who belong to America's biggest teachers' union, most parents
simply
let them do it. In fact, they pay them to.
The NEA is committed to the cause of militant homosexuality. It's the
richest, most politically powerful union in America, and it has daily
access
to most of America's children. And it wants to recruit them for the
homosexual lifestyle.
Public schools=The homosexual agenda
If you don't believe it, visit nea-glc.org/, the website of the
National
Education Association's Gay and Lesbian Coalition. There, among their
"great
achievements" in shaping NEA policy, the homosexual militants cite the
NEA's
promotion of "the lesbian-gay-bisexual curriculum" and "family life
education... regarding the diversity of sexual orientation."
The NEA has also campaigned for the proclamation of
"Gay-Lesbian-Bisexual-Transsexual History Month" (try putting that on
a
T-shirt), homosexual studies at Catholic colleges--and, of course,
homosexual "marriage."
The people of Massachusetts know the teachers' union's commitment to
"gay
marriage." Aline Isaacson of GLSEN (Gay-Lesbian-Straight Education
Network),
the media's favorite poster gal for "gay marriage", is
also--surprise!--a
paid consultant to the Massachusetts teachers' union. Paid in taxpayer
dollars, to boot. (You may remember Massachusetts GLSEN from a few
years ago
as the organizers of graphic, intensely perverted sex "workshops" for
public
school children--a scandal that came to be known as "fist-gate.")
Ms. Isaacson, according to the grass-roots Article 8 Alliance, these
days
makes it a full-time job lobbying state legislators to keep them from
jumping ship on "gay marriage" and voting for the Bill of Address
which
would remove the outlaw Supreme Judicial Court judges who imposed this
oxymoron on the people of Massachusetts. Supported by taxpayers'
money, she
makes daily, face-to-face visits to individual lawmakers. Nice work if
you
can get it.
Too bad you couldn't make it to the gym teachers' state convention in
New
Jersey, in February. It wasn't about volleyball. For public school gym
teachers, Job One--according to the convention's floor displays,
handouts,
posters, and workshop topics (all of which I saw personally)--is
getting the
kids comfy with homosexuality. To this end, they handed out a
"resource
guide"--handsomely produced, slick, paid for largely by Fleet Bank
Inc.--intended for distribution in all the public schools. (For more
information, see my article, "Now It's the Gym Teachers," in the
February
archive of the Chalcedon website, chalcedon.edu.)
You would have seen even more of the same at "Twenty Years of Great
Sex
(Ed)" last year, a national conference of "sex educators" hosted by
Rutgers,
New Jersey's taxpayer-funded state university. Again, there was no
effort to
hide the educators' whole-hearted penchant for homosexuality...
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.altermedia.info http://www.RealNews247.com
Topaz
2004-12-25 17:57:26 UTC
Permalink
One of the points on the National Socialist party platform was that
the party was for positive Christianity. This is what it said:

"The party as such, stands for positive Christianity but does not
bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession."

Here are some quotes from Mein Kampf:

" But all that I heard had the effect of arousing the strongest
antagonism in me. Everything was disparaged-the nation, because it
was held to be an invention of the 'capitalist' class (how often I had
heard that phrase!); the Fatherland, because it was held to be an
instrument in the hands of the bourgeosie for the exploitation of the
working masses; the authority of the law, because that was a means of
holding down the proletariat; religion, as a means of doping the
people, so as to exploit them afterward; morality, as a badge of
stupid and sheepish docility. There was nothing that they did not drag
in the mud.
"At first I remained silent; but that could not last very long."

"And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with
the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I
am defending the handiwork of the Lord."

"Was not the Press instrumental in bringing in a state of moral
degradation among our people? Were not morals and public decency made
to look ridiculous and classed as out-of-date and banal, until finally
our people also became modernized?"

"It must be noted too that the attack on the dogmatic
principles underlying ecclesiastical teaching increased steadily in
violence. And yet this human world of ours would be inconceivable
without the practical existance of a religious belief. The great
masses of a nation are not composed of philosophers. For the masses of
the people especially, faith is absolutely the only basis of a moral
outlook on life."

"And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of His
estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary He drove
those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God"

"Thus another weapon beside that of freemasonry would have to be
secured. This was the press. The Jew exercised all his skill and
tenacity in getting hold of it. By means of the Press he began
gradually to control public life in its entirety."

Of religion he (the Jew) makes a mockery. Morality and decency
are described as anti-quated prejudices"

"Anyhow, the Jew has attained the ends he desired. Catholics and
Protestants are fighting with one another to their hearts content,
while the enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up
his sleeve."

"the Jew trafficked in the freedom of the nation and sold our
country to the masters of international high finance. So in our day he
has succeeded again, this time by raising ructions between the two
German religious denominations while the foundations on which both
rest are being eaten away and destroyed through the poison injected by
the international and cosmopolitan Jew."

"The most devoted Protestant could stand side by side with the
most devoted Catholic in our ranks"

"The National Socialist Movement must see to it that at least in
our own country the mortal enemy is recognized and that the fight
against him may be a beacon light pointing to a new and better period
for other nations as well as showing the way of salvation for Aryan
humanity in the struggle for its existance."


Here is part of a speech by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, delivered in
Nuernberg on September 13th, 1935 at the Seventh National-Socialist
Party Congress:

"Almost without exception, the intellectual leaders of Marxist atheism
in Germany were Jews, among them being Erich Weinert, Felix Abraham,
Dr. Levy-Lenz and others. At regular meetings, held in the presence of
a notary public, members were requested to register their declaration
of withdrawal from their church for a fee of 2 Marks. And this the
fight for atheism was carried on. Between 1918 and 1933 the
withdrawals from the German Evangelical Churches alone amounted to
two-and-a-half million persons in Germany. The programme which these
atheistic societies laid down in regard to sexual matters is amply
charcterized in the following demands publicly expressed at meetings
and distributed in leaflet form:

1) The complete abrogation of the paragraphs of the law dealing with
the crime of abortion, and the right to have abortion procured free of
charge in State Hospitals.

2) Non-interference with prostitution.

3) The abrogation of all bourgeois-capitalistic regulations in regard
to marriage and divorce.

4) Official registration to be optional and the children to be
educated by the community.

5) Abrogation of all penalties for sexual perversities and amnesty to
be granted to all persons condemned as 'sexual criminals'.

"Truly a case of methodical insanity, which has for its aim the
wilful destruction of the nations and their civilization and the
substitute of barbarism as a fundamental principle of public life.

"Where are the men behind the scenes of this virulent world
movement? Who are the inventors of all this madness? Who transplanted
this ensemble into Russia and is today making the attempt to have it
prevail in other countries? The answer to these question discloses the
actual secret of our anti-Jewish policy and our uncomromising fight
against Jewry; for the Bolshevic International is in reality nothing
less than a Jewish International."


Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party (quoted from
John Cornwell's "Hitler's Pope"
"The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany
means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the
Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and
unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is
hostile to religion is a lie."


Adolf Hitler, speaking in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1934
" Imbued with the desire to secure for the German people the great
religious, moral, and cultural values rooted in the two Christian
Confessions, we have abolished the political organizations but
strengthened the religious institutions."

Adolf Hitler, in his speech at Koblenz, to the Germans of the Saar, 26
Aug. 1934
"National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it
anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real
Christianity.... For their interests cannot fail to coincide with ours
alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of
to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic
movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness
of a community in our national life... These are not anti-Christian,
these are Christian principles! And I believe that if we should fail
to follow these principles then we should to be able to point to our
successes, for the result of our political battle is surely not
unblest by God."

Adolf Hitler, to Nazi leaders on 2 June 1937, as reported by a
correspondent of the "Daily Telegraph"
"We National Socialists, too, have deep in our hearts our own faith.
We cannot do otherwise. No man can mould the history of peoples or of
the world unless he has upon his will and his capacities the blessing
of Providence."

Adolf Hitler, speaking of the Winter Help Campaign on 5 Oct. 1937
This Winter Help Work is also in the deepest sense a Christian work.
When I see, as I so often do, poorly clad girls collecting with such
infinite patience in order to care for those who are suffering from
the cold while they themselves are shivering with cold, then I have
the feeling that they are all apostles of a Christianity-- and in
truth of a Christianity which can say with greater right than any
other: This is the Christianity of an honest confession, for behind it
stand not words but deeds.

Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept. 1938.
National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it
is exclusively a 'volkic' political doctrine based upon racial
principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and
leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship....
We will not allow mystically-minded occult folk with a passion for
exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement.
Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any
case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our
programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception
and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the
central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the
maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by
God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a
divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship,
but openly before the face of the Lord....
Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for
that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is
the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so
far as they are known to us men.

Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the "Old Guard" at Munich on 24 Feb.
1939
If positive Christianity means love of one's neighbour, i.e. the
tending of the sick, the clothing of the poor, the feeding of the
hungry, the giving of drink to those who are thirsty, then it is we
who are the more positive Christians. For in these spheres the
community of the people of National Socialist Germany has accomplished
a prodigious work.


VOELKISCHER BEOBACHTER, 24 March 1933, Page 1

[Hitler's Speech at second meeting of the Reichstag of 1933, on
23 March 1933, asking for the adoption of the Enabling Act.]

"While the Government is determined to carry through the political and
moral purging of our public life, it is creating and insuring
prerequisites for a truly religious life. The Government sees in both
Christian confessions the most important factors for the maintenance
of our
folkdom. It will respect agreements concluded between them and the
States.
However, it respects that its work will meet with a similar
appreciation.
The Government will treat all other denominations with equal
objective justice.
It can never condone, though, that belonging to a certain
denomination
or to a certain race might be regarded as a license to commit or
tolerate
crimes. The Government will devote its care to the sincere living
together
of Church and State."

Hitler said in a speech in Berlin on March 23, 1933 "The Reich
government sees in Christianity the unshakable foundation of the
ethics and morality of the folk."

In a speech delivered April 12, 1922, published in "My New Order,"
and quoted in "Freethought Today" (April 1990), Hitler said:

"For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I
look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at
the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and
misery. "When I go out in the morning and see these men
standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I
believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity
for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn
against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and
exploited."



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2004-12-25 17:56:38 UTC
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:37:05 GMT, Fred Cherry
Post by Fred Cherry
I remember the time that the Jew comedian Danny Kaye appeared on
television in support of the ACLU's action in behalf of the Nazis.
"The text of this web page was originally published by the United
States Holocaust Memorial Museum as a pamphlet titled "Homosexuals:
Victims of the Nazi Era".

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum,
100 Raoul Walenberg Place SW,
Washington D.C. 20024-2150.

As part of the Nazis' attempt to purify German society and propagate
an "Aryan master race," they condemned homosexuals as "socially
aberrant." Soon after taking office on January 30, 1933, Hitler banned
all homosexual and lesbian organizations. Brownshirted storm troopers
raided the institutions and gathering places of homosexuals. Greatly
weakened and driven underground, this subculture had flourished in the
relative freedom of the 1920s, in the pubs and cafes of Berlin,
Hamburg, Munich, Bremen, and other cities."
http://www.holocaust-trc.org/homosx.htm
Post by Fred Cherry
I was
totally amazed. I just could not understand how a Jew person could do
something like that. Then a few years later I understood. A few years
later when Danny Kaye died it was revealed that he was a faggot. Then
everything made perfect sense. When one considers all that the ACLU has
done to advance the cause of homosexuality, it is only natural (or
should I say UNnatural) that a faggot should do all he could in behalf
of the ACLU.
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