Post by fasgnadh Post by fasgnadh
When Atheist ad campaigner Ariane Sherine put her beliefs
on the side of a bus she copied Beer manufacturers who
qualify their unprovable claims to avoid litigation!!
Sherine, and the Atheists supporting her, including
Richard Dawkins, know they can't PROVE their beliefs,
and so they used the same fudge as LYING drug dealers use
to falsely misrepresent their product! 8^o
Sherine was clearly annoyed that the theist ads she
had misrepresented as likely to cause people
to throw themselves under the bus received only
one other complaint;
"When I called the Advertising Standards Authority,
the nice lady said they'd only received two
complaints about the bus ads, neither of which
had been investigated, because "The quotations
used are clearly from the Bible and there's
nothing in the advertising standards code to
prohibit advertising a religious message. The
website is not part of our remit."
was it okay for Carlsberg to say their lager
was "probably the best lager in the world"?
She thought so: "We haven't upheld a complaint
After that, I Googled Carlsberg and found this
marketing site, which suggests that using the word
"probably" at the start of the ad saved Carlsberg
So the Atheist bus ad's equivocation is stolen
from the Booze industry's patent dishonesty, as
a means of expressing an UNPROVABLE ASSERTION
(no more than a BELIEF) from the demand for PROOF!
Atheists have not changed since the days of Pravda,
the most ironically named Newspaper in history! B^p
"... it's possible that we can fund a much-needed
"There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and get
on with your life."
No wonder the Atheists run and hide when challenged
to provide evidence for their BULLSHIT BELIEFS!!!
a) no one was worried in the first place
b) Sherine fabricated the alleged cause pf concern
c) Sherine hysterically fantasised absurd consequences
d) There is no logical connection between the advice
and the fabricated atheist fears.
e) The Atheists knew they have no evidence for their
beliefs, and so used advertising scams used by the
drug dealers to protect themselves from action! B^D
Dawkins and Sherine fudged their ad to protect themselves
from the DEMAND FOR EVIDENCE, a tactic taken from others who
want to avoid the TRUTH!
At last! An Atheist with the good grace to apologise for their scams!
Verifyable observations of God: Zero
Commonly excepted testimony about God since 600 AD: Zero
Not true. your 'evidence' is no more than ignorance;
Judeao/Christian/Islamic civilisations are all based on
spiritual beliefs which the sources attribute to Divine
The only atheist social organisations ever created were
abominable and murderous tyrannies.
The Probability the theists are right is 1! B^D
The empirical historical evidence is indisputable! B^]
Atheism has never created even a single great enduring Civilisation.
Divine revelation is the foundation of every great and enduring
Civilisation on the planet.
In the 1800's when the intellectual fashion in the West
was summed up by the failed secularists, Freud, Marx and Nietzsche,
God was proclaimed Dead in the hearts of mankind. As Nietzsche
predicted, chaos followed in the 20th century Atheist shitholes,
and over 40,000,000 perished.
In Russia and China the Atheist tyrannies have been cast out,
and prosperity and advancement have resumed!
There probably is no God.
According to your 'logic', the Probability of Dark Matter
in the universe is Zero! B^D
You deal in beliefs, I deal in HISTORICAL REALITY and EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE!
The evidence all points to the improbability of atheists being
right about A SINGLE DAMNED THING!!!! B^D
You are the most MORONIC SLOW LEARNERS on the planet, dumber
than the xtian fundies, dumber than the Flat Earthers.
You simply IGNORE the evidence! pfffft!
Please do not compare this ad with any commercial one.
I didn't.. YOUR CULT LEADER DID.
She openly described basing your Atheist Bus Belief on
the Carlsberg Beer tactic of avoiding the lack of evidence
"Carlsberg ..say their lager
was "probably the best lager in the world""
About as much integrity as the ATHEIST CULT! B^D
"After that, I Googled Carlsberg and found this
marketing site, which suggests that using the word
"probably" at the start of the ad saved Carlsberg
At least the Drug Dealers had ORIGINALITY!
Atheists are ineffectual and irrelevant at best,
and dangerous tyrannies whenever they gain political power!
Next time READ my post BEFORE you respond to it!
You have not refuted a SINGLE FACT in it because YOU CANT, it's TRUE!
Compare it with the assertions nof Christians,
Atheist Bus Beliefs still come out UNFAVOURABLY! Sherine LIED about
# Subject: The False Beliefs of the Atheist cult exposed!
# - Ariane Sherine's Hysterical Campaign is a fraud!
# Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:55:10 +1100
# Ariane Sherine's Atheist Belief Campaign exposed as a fraud!
# The systematic proselytising of atheist beliefs on English
# and Spanish buses has been publicly presented by Atheists,
# including Sherine herself, as a response to theist beliefs
# presented on the sides of buses which Sherine claims are so
# despairing that people might instantly throw themselves
# under the bus! 8^o
# Imagine you've had a really bad day, and it's only 8.30am.
# You've spilt killer orange juice all over your crucial
# work documents, you're pressed up in a tube train
# against a commuter whose armpit smells like a
# biological weapon, and you're late for work and
# your only excuse is "I glued my hand to a dog".
# You stumble out of the tube, and are confronted
# with the number 168 bus. It tells you that, along
# with your boss, a man with a beardy face is going
# to be upset with you, for ever, because you've
# refused to acknowledge his existence, despite
# the fact that he's too antisocial to come down
# here and say hi. You promptly throw yourself
# under the number 168 bus."
# - Ariane Sherine,
# The Guardian 20/6/2008
# That is the Atheist hysteric's own description of the effect
# she claimed the theist messages on London Buses could have!
# It's the absurdist rant of a blithering Lunatic!
# [In fact the "Advertising Standards Authority" had only ONE
# other complaint, and no suicides were reported! B^]
# The complete misrepresentation of the theist campaign becomes
# clear when you read it, and discover it is merely a QUESTION,
# inviting the readers response, and makes no mention of Hellfire
# "Yesterday I walked to work and saw not one, but
# "When the son of man comes,
# will he find faith on the earth?"
# (Luke 18:8)." -ibid
# Hands up those of you who are terrified, in despair and suicidal
# after being asked that question.. apart from the atheists of course,
# who seem to be SHITTING THEMSELVES IN HYSTERICAL PANIC!
# And the ridiculous fantasy that reading such an innocuous question
# will tip people into suicidal despair, is fully backed by Richard
# Dawkins,supported and FUNDED by the Atheist cult at large!
# Cult is the ONLY appropriate term for simple minded idiots
# who could, uncritically, accept such arrant NONSENSE on BLIND FAITH!
# And so, with no one throwing themselves under buses, or evening
# being worried enough to complain, in fact no evidence anyone except
# the Hysterical, lying Atheists gave a toss at all, the cult
# produced the first of their counter-beliefs.
# Apparently, they followed a website link to those who
# ran the ads, read the Bible and scared themselves stupid
# by their Fundie Literalist reading, (which precisely matches
# some of the Fundie Literalist theists! B^)
# Other atheists, clearly accepting the Official Atheist line
# without Question, have repeated her false claim that the Bus
# "Remember, that message of Hell is already being advertised on
# buses... the atheist ads were inspired by the Christian
# Naturally the Atheist campaign is inspired by the Theist texts,
# that's where all their ideas come from.. if only they didn't
# misunderstand and misrepresent them so tragically
# Atheism: The Blind leading the Blind Faithful! B^D
who despite the absence of any verifyabel observation
History is observable.
and despite the fact that they assume God hasn't spoken for centuries,
Rubbish, the Church recognises that Muslims worship the same God.
claim - with certainty that there is one.
The historical evidence ...
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I was only saying sorry, because I really DO feel sorry for you that
you are so wrong, And there you go again misinterpreting what I am
Then you make a serious blunder,
When I – while spelling horribly - claim there had been no notice from
God since about 600 AD
By which you mean the Islamic Revelation..
instead of giving a counterexample to disproof
my assertion, you claim my evidence (I didn’t give any) is my
Well, ignorance is when you don't know something relevant
to the discussion:
1844 The Bahai Revelation:
A young Persian poet, Tahireh, tore off her veil, and declared
"You may kill me if you wish, but you cannot stop the emancipation
of women." Half a century before the Suffragettes! The Equality
of men and Women was ONE of the ground breaking principles of this
...you need to keep up!
Much later in you flood of words you claim “that Muslims
worship the same God. claim - with certainty that there is one.
Muslims claim they worship the same God, they always have;
# "And argue not with the People of the Scripture
# unless it be in ( a way) that is better,
# save with such of them as do wrong;
# and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us
# and revealed unto you;
# our God and your God is One,
# and unto Him we surrender."
# - The Qu'ran Sura 29 verse 46
After centuries of denying it, the Church representing
the largest number of Christians agrees:
# "DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH
# TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
# NOSTRA AETATE
# PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
# 3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems.
# They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself;
# merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5)
# who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to
# even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith
# of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God."
Apparently you fail to realize that according to Muslims Muhammad was
the last of the prophets
Far from 'failing to realise it, I have written extensively about it,
including this, most recently:
# Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:25:00 +1100
# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com>
# Subject: Re: Why are there no Great, Enduring, Atheist Civilizations?
# -Because Atheists are frauds
# - ashamed of EVERY atheist regime that ever existed!!!!
# Message-ID: <email@example.com>
(Referring to the Babi/Bahai dispensation, fiercely persecuted
in Persia - (Iran))
# As expected, the Islamic clergy rejected the renewal,
# and slaughtered 20,000 Babi's, and continue to persecute
# the Bahai, because like the Jews assessing Christ as Messiah,
# they see what they want to see, and have misunderstood what
# "Khatam-an-Nabiyyin" - Seal of the Prophets, means.
# Mohammed, according to the Koran, is NOT
# the 'Seal'(End) of the Messengers('Rasul') of God,
# he is the seal of the Prophets ('Nabi').
# The fundamental profession of Muslim faith,
# the Kalima Tayyab says:
# "La Ilaha Ill Allah Muhammadur Rasul Allah"
# Which translates as
# "There is no god but Allah, Muhammad is the Rasul (Messenger)
# of Allah"
# There are only 5 Rasul in the Koran, each credited with
# a distinct revelation:
# Ishmael, David, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad
# Thus the term Rasul designates 'Divine revelators',
# more than 'mere' Prophets.
# The term "Prophet" is distinctly different: "Nabi (sing.)
# anbiyaa, nabiyyin (pl.)
# There are 25 anbiyaa mentioned in the Koran, thus in addition to
# the Rasul there are another 20, including Enoch, Ezekial, Isiah etc
# Thus all Rasul are Nabi, but not all Nabi are Rasul.
# All of the Messengers are also prophets, but not all
# of the prophets are Messengers.. according to the Koran itself.
# Rasul denotes a higher station.
# The term "Khatam-an-Nabiyyin" - Seal of the Prophets thus refers
# to the seal of the PROPHETIC cycle, the lesser ones, not of the more
# ground-breaking and earth shattering Messengers. 8^)
# Moreover "Khatam" meaning seal, or ornament is used in the Koran,
# and not the related "Khatim", which is more commonly used to mean
# final or last.
# Mohammed is not the last messenger of God, according to the Koran.
# Lets hope the next one is a woman! B^D
I hope that clarifies the matter for you.
Just as the Jews, awaiting Messiah, expected a temporal King, with
a Sword and a throne, and crucified Christ because he did not 'appear'
to fit the bill. Their prophecy WAS fulfilled, as Jesus himself said,
his Sword was his Word, and his Kingdom in Heaven.
Many Muslims believe the common misunderstanding, that
"Khatam-an-Nabiyyin" - Seal of the Prophets means no one comes
after Mohammed, but ask them if Mohammed was a Rasul, Messenger,
as declared in their daily prayers, or merely a Prophet...
and see if they want to say he was of the LESSER station! B^)
and consequently they will treat anyone who
claims to have heard god as a liar. (if god spoke to me, ad I would
forward his words, I would necessarily be a prophet!)
It is not my claim but the theists claim that God cannot speak!
Accidentally Muhammad wasn’t spoken to by God either. He is said to
have received his “downsendings” from the Angel Gabriel.
The Bahai faith contains a description of receiving the revelation,
which may interest you.
After maliciously assuming that Atheism is equal to Stalinism and
Sorry, the ATHEISTS THEMSELVES make that claim, and there were
many more of them, having far greater impact in the world, than
a few thousands modern atheists who only manage to put some ads
for their beliefs on a bus!!!!
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
-Vladimir I. Lenin
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
- V.I. Lenin
"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
all this talk about God is sheer nonsense" - Stalin
- E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire State apparatus;
The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper
“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
In 1922, the Solovki Camp of Special Purpose, the first Russian
concentration camp was established in the Solovki Islands in the White Sea"
John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
and blaming half of the world’s state-terrorism on lack of
believe in a deity instead of to much fate in an ideology. You declare
You sophistry will not wash.. the HISTORICAL EVIDENCE is COMPELLING.
If modern Nazis claim "we like Jews" no one will believe them either.
ACTIONS, speak louder than words. Those Atheists were very active,
you are a bunch of effete dilettantes who endlessly debate your esoteric
ideology, and achieve NOTHING!
What it proves is that atheism is a useless, pointless, ineffectual
hot air festival, at best, and a bloody tyranny if it ever gets
That's why people vote for decent rational CHRISTIANS like Obama!
But let’s face it: You have provided no evidence for a God.
I am growing tired of doing all the work educating you and having you lie;
YOU claimed there has "been no notice from God since about 600 AD"
Well thanks for YOUR evidence!
I have added 1844, exactly the same events YOU referred to!
Then there is the historical evidence that EVERY great and enduring
civilisation is based on religion, and every atheist
society where God is denied is a BRUTAL TYRANNY..
Let those who have eyes, see! B^p
historical evidence (claiming it’s indisputable is not the same as
providing any!) Your claim the Chinese and Roman empires (great and
enduring civilizations) were founded on divine revelations, is also
not substantiated. Do you really not know that the Roman empire
started breaking apart within a hundred years of it becoming
It became the Holy Roman Empire! More powerful than before!
Chian had a number of Pre-revolutionary faiths, including
Taoism and after the brief disaster with atheism, Mao's
Great Leap backward and Cultural Devolution, again allows
religions, and already there are 60,000,000 believers!
You also seem ignorant of the fact, that while the Christian God
apparently was unable to stop the onslaughts of Stalin and Hitler,
What do you mean? Both are defeated, by a nation which prints
"In God We Trust" on it's money!
Why do you lie so much!?
Dark matter and dark energy actually do have an impact on the
universe. (That is why they are thought to exist)
So does the messengers of God.. witness Judeao, Christian, Islamic
Just as we THEORISE Dark matter because of it's EFFECTS, taking them as
EVIDENCE for what we cannot see, so it is with Religion!
Are you a hypocrite who changes your standards of Evidence arbitrarily??
For some silly reason (you do not give a reason for any of your
assertions it seems)
Clearly I have, see above.. you are lying again.
you are supposing that Atheism is a cult with a
Yes, for months atheists have told me they have no beliefs,
while telling me that they have a right to put them on London
I have read them, critically... every atheist simply accepts them
without question, they sent their money in, like a cult, the cult
leaders decided what the messages would be.. *I* found out the
second one planned, ( Emily Dickinson's EMO death piece!!)
before anyone in alt.atheism!!!!!!!!
Clearly they are ALL MUSHROOMS!!!
Kept in the Dark and Fed on BULLSHIT!
How is a cult different from that???
Again you are wrong. Atheism is the absence of believe in god
(s). There is nothing more to it.
Bullshit.. there is it's HISTORY, no matter how hard you TRY,
you simply cannot whitewash it out of existence, and you are a fucking
MORAL SHITPIG FOR TRYING!! No better than Nazis denying the Holocaust!!!
Then there is it's beliefs stuck on London buses.. found by the
ASA to be OPINIONS which cannot be substantiated!
Now FUCK OFF BOZO AND GET A FUCKING CLUE!!
Relentlessly bleating the LITTLE THAT YOU KNOW, does not negate all
the EVIDENCE YOU ARE IGNORANT OF, *OR* REFUSE To ACKNOWLEDGE!!!
In case that's not clear for you dimwits; If a Nazi says to me
"All Nazism mean is a Love of the Fatherland" they are making
a claim that they, and they alone, define Nazism.. but sadly for them,
Hitler does as well, and with more authority and weight!
And So I say to you.. GO TELL IT TO LENIN!!! B^D
Unlike you I try and make brief posts, so people can read it without
to much difficulty.
But you make so many false assertions I have to spend a lot of time
explaining your errors! And look at all of the things you were
ignorant about and needed to be educated on! B^p
It is rather impossible to disproof any facts in yours.
Sure.. I deal in evidence, you in unsupported assertions!
I do not know Ariane Sherin,
'Sherine' - As I said, your ignorance is extensive.
I do not subscribe to the views -
The Cult Leader Dawkins and ALL the Sheep in alt.atheism do...
clearly you are either the only 'REAL' Atheist on earth, or just
another clueless one, like all the rest! B^D
you claim –
this person has on the impact of the bus-Ad.
Where have you been.. Mars??
Are you atheists already starting to disown the disastrous
Bus Belief Folly!? BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA!
What I do think it has got people nervous.
Atheists , yes, they can see that your "all we are is folk
who don't believe in God" being BLOWN To SHIT by the Proselytising
of your IDEOLOGICAL BELIEFS on BUS ADS!
You have been OUTED! Media refers to the Atheist Religion!!! B^D
While theists in the past have been “modestly” claiming (with and
without hell fire) that they know the absolute truth with absolute
certainty and do not only know there surely is a God but also what
that God wants on subjects that did not exists in the times their
infallible holy books were written, Atheist have the nerve to “boldy”
claim that it probably isn’t so. That’s disturbing isn’t it?
No, your feeble caricature is disturbing, and
"the shear inability of atheist individuals to try and understand a
different viewpoint even when every effort is made to actually engage
them - is depressing" but your bus campaign is a JOKE! B^D
The only people you upset are the fundie Christians who are your
intellectual doppelgangers! B^D
Bus ads for your proselytising! B^D You are as crazy as each other!
Peter van Velzen
If you react to my words, please do not blend in the words of people I
do not know and do not attack their words as if they were mine. I can
speak for myself.
Sure, just don't try and tell me what atheism is, then.. because
clearly you don't speak for it, and know less about the London
Atheist campaign run by the Dawkins faction, than I DO!
I will henceforth treat your posts as those of a lone Atheist heretic,
with no affiliation to the Atheists who run bus ads and tell me THEY
are the real atheists! B^D
After all the ASA says you are ALL FULL O SHIT, mere OPINIONS,
and none of those can even be substantiated!!!!!!!!
British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) finding on Atheist Beliefs
MERE OPINIONS - CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED!
An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!
"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective