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Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley
truthout.org - Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are
claiming that the US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their
claim is that the US is much more generous and supportive of our working and
poor people than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working and
poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join the
US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic Cooperation and
Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most comparable European
countries, but also include some struggling countries like Czech Republic,
Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland, Slovak Republic and Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not hold
up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking the
Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the rest
of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and everyone else
is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries surveyed. In fact, the
top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual income than any other country.
And the poorest 10 percent in the US are below the average of the other OECD
countries. The rich in the US have been rapidly leaving the middle class and
poor behind since the 1980s.
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries - better
only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five kids,
is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial benefits
for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries pay families
with children cash benefits regardless of the income of the family. Some
among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and Germany) pay additional
benefits if the family is low income or one of the parents is unemployed.
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every single
one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave. The US ranks
dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give some form of paid
paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for fathers.
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of paid
leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a minimum of
eight paid annual days of leave. Most of the other 30 countries require a
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US Than
Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends to be
easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark, Norway and
Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay rich and more of
the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US children,
however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for childcare and
early education, the US is in the bottom third.
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to the
Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in part
because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family benefits is
so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is the impact of
governmental spending lower.
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece. In
2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not on the
path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more generous
with our babies, our children, our working families, our pregnant mothers
and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think we could all
appreciate it.
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Hey FOX, freedom of speech doesn't mean lies.
Socialism is alive and well in America and even those right wing folks
are socialists regardless of what they say..

Americans have been Socialist since our first Revolution. Socialism is
our gift to the World.
http://www.eons.com/blogs/entry/1334959-Facing-Socialism-in-America

Facing Socialism in America

Why do you think so many people are freaked out by the concept of
socialism?

Wikipedia: Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of
social organization advocating public or state ownership and
administration of the means of production and distribution of goods,
and a society characterized by equality for all individuals, with a
fair or egalitarian method of compensation. What’s wrong with that?

Most Americans have a problem with their own language. They use words
all the time that they do not understand.
Which brings us back to Socialism in America.

Many Americans think Socialism is some totalitarian horror found in
foreign countries, to be resisted at any cost. Socialism is not only
alive and well in America, but our lives would be far less productive
and enjoyable without it.

Any program that calls for the redistribution of wealth can be
considered socialist. For example, the tax that the United States
imposes on citizens to support the welfare system, which provides aid
to financially unstable citizens, can be considered a socialist
program. Healthcare systems like Medicare and Medicaid fall in the
same category. If someone objects to Medicare and Medicade, I guess
that they can refuse to take advantage of it and decide to pay for
private medical service and other services.

Most American stadiums are municipal, that is to say, they're owned by
the cities. ...If that's socialism, then the US is a socialist
country. Should we close these stadiums because they are socialist
investments?

With GwB and Hank Paulson socializing private banking in America,
perhaps it's time to revisit the definition. During the Presidential
Campaign and especially after Obama was elected, the words
"socialist!" and even "communist!" have been flying into computer
Inboxes all across our Nation, often preceded by a string of
expletives.

Some that are most astounding are from folks who work for local
governmental agencies. Clearly, they have a warped notion about what
Socialism is. Somehow, they've developed a screwball disconnect with
reality. If they object to socialism, they can quit their jobs and go
to work for some private operation.

Public highways are one of the finest examples of Socialism in
America. So are public schools, public parks and public libraries. Not
to mention Social Security and Medicare. And police departments and
town garbage collections and public health care and so on and so on.
Even benefits provided for Congress Members are a form of Socialism.

Should our police and fire departments require a privte contract with
citizens before they will answer a call for help? Right wing nuts
would agree with this idea.

If money is taken from private enterprise, and used for the public
good, that fits my definition of Socialism. Obviously, it also fits
the definition of Ronnie Reagan, Imperial NeoCONs, and most all
Republicans since Reagan. Why would Reagan argue for privatizing all
Government functions (except the Military) if they were not clear and
present definitions of Socialism?

The first thing GwB announced upon stealing the White House again in
2004, was that the primary aim of his next 4 years was to de-socialize
Social Security by privatizing it. GwB planned to reward those who
purchased his Office for him by turning Social Security over to Wall
$treet Bankers to run for profit.

Imagine, just for a moment, what America would look like today if GwB
HAD privatized Social Security. Picture the national disaster we'd be
in now if Social Security had been moved to Wall $treet. With the
subsequent Meltdown of Wall $treet, Social Security would have all but
vanished from America, swaddled in derivatives, buried under a pile of
rubble that would rival the World Trade Center collapse on 9/11. There
are reasons why Socialism keeps America running.

Government does not tax ANY of it socialized services. Government
taxes only private enterprise (Seldom) And that is why Capitalists
spend unbelievable amounts of money trying to subvert our Government.
They want to kill Socialism in America, except for the Military, by
privatizing everything else.

Former Interior Secretary James Watt had a Plan drawn up showing which
of our National Parks he would sell off first. The Ultimate Plan was
to eventually turn all of that wasted public land over to private
management, if not outright ownership, so that private enterprise
could butcher it up and build profitable condos, all with amazing
views to enhance their profits. This is no joke. It really, really was
on the Imperial NeoCON Drawing Board. Still is. If someone objects to
socialism, they should stay out of our national parks.

Senators Mitch McConnell (R) and Jim Bunning (R) introduce legislation
to dismantle and privatize the Tennessee Valley Authority. The next
time Mitch McConnell complains about socialism, ask him whether he
thinks the TVA should be privatized. These folks really want WWIII
anyway... they call it armageddon.

McConnell's been respectful to Barack Obama, but he's pure hell on
FDR, as evidenced by peroration on the stimulus:

"But one of the good things about reading history is you learn a good
deal. And, we know for sure that the big spending programs of the New
Deal did not work. In 1940, unemployment was still 15%. And, it's
widely agreed among economists, that what got us out of the doldrums
that we were in during the Depression was the beginning of World War
II."

Glenn Thrush gives McConnell credit for "intellectual honesty." I
suppose. McConnell really seems to believe what he's saying, and he
votes accordingly.

Moving too slowly to suit them, taking too many decades to accomplish,
the collapse of Wall $treet and the World Economy due to their
unregulated Greed, provided a perfect opportunity to bankrupt our
Government with endless Bailouts of private Financial Institutions.
"Too big to fail," is their slogan, meaning they must be saved, no
matter how incompetent they are, no matter what the co$t to American
taxpayers. Like all NeoCON slogans, it's sole purpose is to divert
attention away from what they are really up to.

Like all Confidence Scams, what they tell you is absolutely NOT what
they're doing.

You think it bothers them that Obama won? Get real! Passing their
engineered financial collapse on to him is a pure bonus. If Obama must
spend trillions upon trillions to cover for their mistakes, all the
better. It will speed them faster and closer to that glorious day when
EVERYTHING in America generates a profit.

But Socialism is an integral part of the fabric which sustains America
and Americans. Many of millions of Americans earn their taxable income
directly from Socialism.

The reason the New Deal's social experiments were tried, and
succeeded, is the same reason they must come back again. The GREED of
unfettered Capitalism once nearly destroyed America, and may yet
succeed. All the assurances -- that we have safeguards in place to
prevent another Depression -- is a lot of wishful thinking. Obviously,
they have not worked flawlessly and automatically thus far.

Part of the reason was the intentional dismantling of safety nets
brought on by Ronnie Reagan's deregulation pipe dreams. His trickle-
down notion -- that enough crumbs will fall off rich people's plates
to sustain our Nation -- was a lot of hooey. But it was packaged to
sound good, if any Americans pulled their heads out of their TVs long
enough to glance at it.

Ronnie's ideological descendant, GwB, has been pumping money as fast
as he can out of American taxpayers and into the already bulging
pockets of his rich cronies. Rich people don't make the idle rich
richer. It's the tax-paying working Middle Class, and struggling Small
Business Owners, who make rich people rich.

GwB, Chaney & Co have been creating a constant need for Military
Spending on a gargantuan scale (pretending it has anything at all to
do with establishing democracy anywhere in the World) to force all of
us to keep our noses to the grindstone. Costs spiral ever upward, and
no one has time to breathe, much less to think.

The instant that Soviet Communism collapsed, and some starry eyed
"lib- ruls" began talking about beating swords into plowshares,
NeoCONs began looking around frantically for the next War. Who wants
to sell plowshares when the real money is in tanks, rockets, planes,
ships, and bullets, especially if the Pentagon is paying.

Which brings us back to Socialism in America. The US Military is the
greatest implementation of Socialism the World has ever seen.
Concealed from public oversight by "national security" claims, the
Military provides socialized medicine, socialized housing, socialized
uniforms, socialized transportation, socialized retirement
entitlements, and even socialized burial, far beyond the cost of
armaments. Everyone enrolled in the Military is a Socialist, as they
always have been. Should we privatize the military?

So the next time you receive anything like this over your computer:
"Don't you dare ever send me this Socialist propaganda again you
bloody communist!" -- which came from a County Employee in VA living
entirely off the largess of Socialism -- then send back a copy of this
to him. Surely he won't understand it, but you may feel better for
having done so.

A useful clarification: Socialism taxes private enterprise, and
redistributes that wealth all across America. Only agencies supported
directly by government tax funds fit the definition of Socialism. For
instance, municipal Fire Departments probably are. Most rural
volunteer Fire Departments are not. They're private corporations, with
their own controlling Boards of Directors, even IF they receive Grants
from Socialist Government. Electric utilities are private
corporations. So are Churches, Charities, Unions, PACs, Trash
Collectors you pay, local Arts Councils. Many Hospitals were
established by Socialist Government, but most have been converted to
profit-making private enterprise, and that's why Health Care Co$ts
have skyrocketed.

If you pay to join, or to receive services, these are likely private
corporations, not examples of Socialism. And 'tax-deductible' or 'non-
profit' in their names is an assurance that they are private, not
Socialism. Again, Public Universities are part of our home grown
Socialism. Private Universities are not. ( When I taught at Cornell,
it was strangely part private, part State. And the tuition differences
were astounding depending which part a student was enrolled in.)
Should we close all Public schools and universities. They are
socialism at work.

America is a happy mix of both, so much so that most folks don't know
the difference. If people are publicly elected to run organizations,
like School Boards, County Commissioners, Legislatures, City Councils,
they are part of American Socialism. These are some of what Imperial
NeoCONs want to get rid of by bankrupting our Government.

And the point is this: when Right Wing-nuts couldn't scream
'communist' or 'liberal' at anyone who opposed them anymore, they
tried to turn 'socialist' into a nasty label. But it doesn't work,
because the United Socialist States of America (USSA) is hugely
socialistic, from Sea to Shining Sea.

I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils
[of capitalism], namely through the establishment of a socialist
economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented
toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are
owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A
planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the
community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able
to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and
child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his
own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of
responsibility for his fellow men in place of the glorification of
power and success in our present society.

http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/home/articles/introductions/218-albert-einstein-why-socialism

--- Why Socialism
by Albert Einstein

"Let us prey."
GOP leadership
Beam Me Up Scotty
2010-04-20 01:23:21 UTC
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Post by Raymond
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley
truthout.org - Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are
claiming that the US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their
claim is that the US is much more generous and supportive of our working and
poor people than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working and
poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join the
US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic Cooperation and
Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most comparable European
countries, but also include some struggling countries like Czech Republic,
Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland, Slovak Republic and Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not hold
up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking the
Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the rest
of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and everyone else
is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries surveyed. In fact, the
top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual income than any other country.
And the poorest 10 percent in the US are below the average of the other OECD
countries. The rich in the US have been rapidly leaving the middle class and
poor behind since the 1980s.
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries - better
only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five kids,
is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial benefits
for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries pay families
with children cash benefits regardless of the income of the family. Some
among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and Germany) pay additional
benefits if the family is low income or one of the parents is unemployed.
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every single
one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave. The US ranks
dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give some form of paid
paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for fathers.
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of paid
leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a minimum of
eight paid annual days of leave. Most of the other 30 countries require a
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US Than
Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends to be
easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark, Norway and
Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay rich and more of
the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US children,
however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for childcare and
early education, the US is in the bottom third.
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to the
Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in part
because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family benefits is
so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is the impact of
governmental spending lower.
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece. In
2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not on the
path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more generous
with our babies, our children, our working families, our pregnant mothers
and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think we could all
appreciate it.
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Hey FOX, freedom of speech doesn't mean lies.
Socialism is alive and well in America and even those right wing folks
are socialists regardless of what they say..
Americans have been Socialist since our first Revolution. Socialism is
our gift to the World.
http://www.eons.com/blogs/entry/1334959-Facing-Socialism-in-America
Facing Socialism in America
Why do you think so many people are freaked out by the concept of
socialism?
Wikipedia: Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of
social organization advocating public or state ownership and
administration of the means of production and distribution of goods,
and a society characterized by equality for all individuals, with a
fair or egalitarian method of compensation. What’s wrong with that?
Most Americans have a problem with their own language. They use words
all the time that they do not understand.
Which brings us back to Socialism in America.
Many Americans think Socialism is some totalitarian horror found in
foreign countries, to be resisted at any cost. Socialism is not only
alive and well in America, but our lives would be far less productive
and enjoyable without it.
Any program that calls for the redistribution of wealth can be
considered socialist. For example, the tax that the United States
imposes on citizens to support the welfare system, which provides aid
to financially unstable citizens, can be considered a socialist
program. Healthcare systems like Medicare and Medicaid fall in the
same category. If someone objects to Medicare and Medicade, I guess
that they can refuse to take advantage of it and decide to pay for
private medical service and other services.
Most American stadiums are municipal, that is to say, they're owned by
the cities. ...If that's socialism, then the US is a socialist
country. Should we close these stadiums because they are socialist
investments?
With GwB and Hank Paulson socializing private banking in America,
perhaps it's time to revisit the definition. During the Presidential
Campaign and especially after Obama was elected, the words
"socialist!" and even "communist!" have been flying into computer
Inboxes all across our Nation, often preceded by a string of
expletives.
Some that are most astounding are from folks who work for local
governmental agencies. Clearly, they have a warped notion about what
Socialism is. Somehow, they've developed a screwball disconnect with
reality. If they object to socialism, they can quit their jobs and go
to work for some private operation.
Public highways are one of the finest examples of Socialism in
America. So are public schools, public parks and public libraries. Not
to mention Social Security and Medicare. And police departments and
town garbage collections and public health care and so on and so on.
Even benefits provided for Congress Members are a form of Socialism.
Should our police and fire departments require a privte contract with
citizens before they will answer a call for help? Right wing nuts
would agree with this idea.
If money is taken from private enterprise, and used for the public
good, that fits my definition of Socialism. Obviously, it also fits
the definition of Ronnie Reagan, Imperial NeoCONs, and most all
Republicans since Reagan. Why would Reagan argue for privatizing all
Government functions (except the Military) if they were not clear and
present definitions of Socialism?
The first thing GwB announced upon stealing the White House again in
2004, was that the primary aim of his next 4 years was to de-socialize
Social Security by privatizing it. GwB planned to reward those who
purchased his Office for him by turning Social Security over to Wall
$treet Bankers to run for profit.
Imagine, just for a moment, what America would look like today if GwB
HAD privatized Social Security. Picture the national disaster we'd be
in now if Social Security had been moved to Wall $treet. With the
subsequent Meltdown of Wall $treet, Social Security would have all but
vanished from America, swaddled in derivatives, buried under a pile of
rubble that would rival the World Trade Center collapse on 9/11. There
are reasons why Socialism keeps America running.
Government does not tax ANY of it socialized services. Government
taxes only private enterprise (Seldom) And that is why Capitalists
spend unbelievable amounts of money trying to subvert our Government.
They want to kill Socialism in America, except for the Military, by
privatizing everything else.
Former Interior Secretary James Watt had a Plan drawn up showing which
of our National Parks he would sell off first. The Ultimate Plan was
to eventually turn all of that wasted public land over to private
management, if not outright ownership, so that private enterprise
could butcher it up and build profitable condos, all with amazing
views to enhance their profits. This is no joke. It really, really was
on the Imperial NeoCON Drawing Board. Still is. If someone objects to
socialism, they should stay out of our national parks.
Senators Mitch McConnell (R) and Jim Bunning (R) introduce legislation
to dismantle and privatize the Tennessee Valley Authority. The next
time Mitch McConnell complains about socialism, ask him whether he
thinks the TVA should be privatized. These folks really want WWIII
anyway... they call it armageddon.
McConnell's been respectful to Barack Obama, but he's pure hell on
"But one of the good things about reading history is you learn a good
deal. And, we know for sure that the big spending programs of the New
Deal did not work. In 1940, unemployment was still 15%. And, it's
widely agreed among economists, that what got us out of the doldrums
that we were in during the Depression was the beginning of World War
II."
Glenn Thrush gives McConnell credit for "intellectual honesty." I
suppose. McConnell really seems to believe what he's saying, and he
votes accordingly.
Moving too slowly to suit them, taking too many decades to accomplish,
the collapse of Wall $treet and the World Economy due to their
unregulated Greed, provided a perfect opportunity to bankrupt our
Government with endless Bailouts of private Financial Institutions.
"Too big to fail," is their slogan, meaning they must be saved, no
matter how incompetent they are, no matter what the co$t to American
taxpayers. Like all NeoCON slogans, it's sole purpose is to divert
attention away from what they are really up to.
Like all Confidence Scams, what they tell you is absolutely NOT what
they're doing.
You think it bothers them that Obama won? Get real! Passing their
engineered financial collapse on to him is a pure bonus. If Obama must
spend trillions upon trillions to cover for their mistakes, all the
better. It will speed them faster and closer to that glorious day when
EVERYTHING in America generates a profit.
But Socialism is an integral part of the fabric which sustains America
and Americans. Many of millions of Americans earn their taxable income
directly from Socialism.
The reason the New Deal's social experiments were tried, and
succeeded, is the same reason they must come back again. The GREED of
unfettered Capitalism once nearly destroyed America, and may yet
succeed. All the assurances -- that we have safeguards in place to
prevent another Depression -- is a lot of wishful thinking. Obviously,
they have not worked flawlessly and automatically thus far.
Part of the reason was the intentional dismantling of safety nets
brought on by Ronnie Reagan's deregulation pipe dreams. His trickle-
down notion -- that enough crumbs will fall off rich people's plates
to sustain our Nation -- was a lot of hooey. But it was packaged to
sound good, if any Americans pulled their heads out of their TVs long
enough to glance at it.
Ronnie's ideological descendant, GwB, has been pumping money as fast
as he can out of American taxpayers and into the already bulging
pockets of his rich cronies. Rich people don't make the idle rich
richer. It's the tax-paying working Middle Class, and struggling Small
Business Owners, who make rich people rich.
GwB, Chaney & Co have been creating a constant need for Military
Spending on a gargantuan scale (pretending it has anything at all to
do with establishing democracy anywhere in the World) to force all of
us to keep our noses to the grindstone. Costs spiral ever upward, and
no one has time to breathe, much less to think.
The instant that Soviet Communism collapsed, and some starry eyed
"lib- ruls" began talking about beating swords into plowshares,
NeoCONs began looking around frantically for the next War. Who wants
to sell plowshares when the real money is in tanks, rockets, planes,
ships, and bullets, especially if the Pentagon is paying.
Which brings us back to Socialism in America. The US Military is the
greatest implementation of Socialism the World has ever seen.
Concealed from public oversight by "national security" claims, the
Military provides socialized medicine, socialized housing, socialized
uniforms, socialized transportation, socialized retirement
entitlements, and even socialized burial, far beyond the cost of
armaments. Everyone enrolled in the Military is a Socialist, as they
always have been. Should we privatize the military?
"Don't you dare ever send me this Socialist propaganda again you
bloody communist!" -- which came from a County Employee in VA living
entirely off the largess of Socialism -- then send back a copy of this
to him. Surely he won't understand it, but you may feel better for
having done so.
A useful clarification: Socialism taxes private enterprise, and
redistributes that wealth all across America. Only agencies supported
directly by government tax funds fit the definition of Socialism. For
instance, municipal Fire Departments probably are. Most rural
volunteer Fire Departments are not. They're private corporations, with
their own controlling Boards of Directors, even IF they receive Grants
from Socialist Government. Electric utilities are private
corporations. So are Churches, Charities, Unions, PACs, Trash
Collectors you pay, local Arts Councils. Many Hospitals were
established by Socialist Government, but most have been converted to
profit-making private enterprise, and that's why Health Care Co$ts
have skyrocketed.
If you pay to join, or to receive services, these are likely private
corporations, not examples of Socialism. And 'tax-deductible' or 'non-
profit' in their names is an assurance that they are private, not
Socialism. Again, Public Universities are part of our home grown
Socialism. Private Universities are not. ( When I taught at Cornell,
it was strangely part private, part State. And the tuition differences
were astounding depending which part a student was enrolled in.)
Should we close all Public schools and universities. They are
socialism at work.
America is a happy mix of both, so much so that most folks don't know
the difference. If people are publicly elected to run organizations,
like School Boards, County Commissioners, Legislatures, City Councils,
they are part of American Socialism. These are some of what Imperial
NeoCONs want to get rid of by bankrupting our Government.
And the point is this: when Right Wing-nuts couldn't scream
'communist' or 'liberal' at anyone who opposed them anymore, they
tried to turn 'socialist' into a nasty label. But it doesn't work,
because the United Socialist States of America (USSA) is hugely
socialistic, from Sea to Shining Sea.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils
[of capitalism], namely through the establishment of a socialist
economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented
toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are
owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A
planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the
community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able
to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and
child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his
own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of
responsibility for his fellow men in place of the glorification of
power and success in our present society.
http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/home/articles/introductions/218-albert-einstein-why-socialism
--- Why Socialism
by Albert Einstein
"Let us prey."
GOP leadership
So it's no longer whether Socialism is here, it's now all about how
great Socialism is?
Raymond
2010-04-20 02:01:11 UTC
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Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Raymond
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley
truthout.org - Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are
claiming that the US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their
claim is that the US is much more generous and supportive of our working and
poor people than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working and
poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join the
US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic Cooperation and
Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most comparable European
countries, but also include some struggling countries like Czech Republic,
Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland, Slovak Republic and Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not hold
up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking the
Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the rest
of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and everyone else
is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries surveyed. In fact, the
top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual income than any other country.
And the poorest 10 percent in the US are below the average of the other OECD
countries. The rich in the US have been rapidly leaving the middle class and
poor behind since the 1980s.
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries - better
only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five kids,
is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial benefits
for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries pay families
with children cash benefits regardless of the income of the family. Some
among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and Germany) pay additional
benefits if the family is low income or one of the parents is unemployed.
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every single
one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave. The US ranks
dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give some form of paid
paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for fathers.
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of paid
leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a minimum of
eight paid annual days of leave. Most of the other 30 countries require a
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US Than
Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends to be
easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark, Norway and
Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay rich and more of
the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US children,
however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for childcare and
early education, the US is in the bottom third.
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to the
Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in part
because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family benefits is
so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is the impact of
governmental spending lower.
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece. In
2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not on the
path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more generous
with our babies, our children, our working families, our pregnant mothers
and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think we could all
appreciate it.
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Hey FOX, freedom of speech doesn't mean lies.
Socialism is alive and well in America and even those right wing folks
are socialists regardless of what they say..
Americans have been Socialist since our first Revolution. Socialism is
our gift to the World.
http://www.eons.com/blogs/entry/1334959-Facing-Socialism-in-America
Facing Socialism in America
Why do you think so many people are freaked out by the concept of
socialism?
Wikipedia: Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of
social organization advocating public or state ownership and
administration of the means of production and distribution of goods,
and a society characterized by equality for all individuals, with a
fair or egalitarian method of compensation. What’s wrong with that?
Most Americans have a problem with their own language. They use words
all the time that they do not understand.
Which brings us back to Socialism in America.
Many Americans think Socialism is some totalitarian horror found in
foreign countries, to be resisted at any cost. Socialism is not only
alive and well in America, but our lives would be far less productive
and enjoyable without it.
Any program that calls for the redistribution of wealth can be
considered socialist. For example, the tax that the United States
imposes on citizens to support the welfare system, which provides aid
to financially unstable citizens, can be considered a socialist
program. Healthcare systems like Medicare and Medicaid fall in the
same category. If someone objects to Medicare and Medicade, I guess
that they can refuse to take advantage of it and decide to pay for
private medical service and other services.
Most American stadiums are municipal, that is to say, they're owned by
the cities. ...If that's socialism, then the US is a socialist
country. Should we close these  stadiums because they are socialist
investments?
With GwB and Hank Paulson socializing private banking in America,
perhaps it's time to revisit the definition. During the Presidential
Campaign and especially after Obama was elected, the words
"socialist!" and even "communist!" have been flying into computer
Inboxes all across our Nation, often preceded by a string of
expletives.
Some that are most astounding are from folks who work for local
governmental agencies. Clearly, they have a warped notion about what
Socialism is. Somehow, they've developed a screwball disconnect with
reality. If they object to socialism, they can quit their jobs and go
to work for some private operation.
Public highways are one of the finest examples of Socialism in
America. So are public schools, public parks and public libraries. Not
to mention Social Security and Medicare. And police departments and
town garbage collections and public health care and so on and so on.
Even benefits provided for Congress Members are a form of Socialism.
Should our police and fire departments require a privte contract with
citizens before they will  answer a call for help? Right wing nuts
would agree with this idea.
If money is taken from private enterprise, and used for the public
good, that fits my definition of Socialism. Obviously, it also fits
the definition of Ronnie Reagan, Imperial NeoCONs, and most all
Republicans since Reagan. Why would Reagan argue for privatizing all
Government functions (except the Military) if they were not clear and
present definitions of Socialism?
The first thing GwB announced upon stealing the White House again in
2004, was that the primary aim of his next 4 years was to de-socialize
Social Security by privatizing it. GwB planned to reward those who
purchased his Office for him by turning Social Security over to Wall
$treet Bankers to run for profit.
Imagine, just for a moment, what America would look like today if GwB
HAD privatized Social Security. Picture the national disaster we'd be
in now if Social Security had been moved to Wall $treet. With the
subsequent Meltdown of Wall $treet, Social Security would have all but
vanished from America, swaddled in derivatives, buried under a pile of
rubble that would rival the World Trade Center collapse on 9/11. There
are reasons why Socialism keeps America running.
Government does not tax ANY of it socialized services. Government
taxes only private enterprise (Seldom) And that is why Capitalists
spend unbelievable amounts of money trying to subvert our Government.
They want to kill Socialism in America, except for the Military, by
privatizing everything else.
Former Interior Secretary James Watt had a Plan drawn up showing which
of our National Parks he would sell off first. The Ultimate Plan was
to eventually turn all of that wasted public land over to private
management, if not outright ownership, so that private enterprise
could butcher it up and build profitable condos, all with amazing
views to enhance their profits. This is no joke. It really, really was
on the Imperial NeoCON Drawing Board. Still is. If someone objects to
socialism, they should stay out of our national parks.
Senators Mitch McConnell (R) and Jim Bunning (R) introduce legislation
to dismantle and privatize the Tennessee Valley Authority. The next
time Mitch McConnell complains about socialism, ask him whether he
thinks the TVA should be privatized. These folks really want WWIII
anyway... they call it armageddon.
McConnell's been respectful to Barack Obama, but he's pure hell on
"But one of the good things about reading history is you learn a good
deal. And, we know for sure that the big spending programs of the New
Deal did not work. In 1940, unemployment was still 15%. And, it's
widely agreed among economists, that what got us out of the doldrums
that we were in during the Depression was the beginning of World War
II."
Glenn Thrush gives McConnell credit for "intellectual honesty." I
suppose. McConnell really seems to believe what he's saying, and he
votes accordingly.
Moving too slowly to suit them, taking too many decades to accomplish,
the collapse of Wall $treet and the World Economy due to their
unregulated Greed, provided a perfect opportunity to bankrupt our
Government with endless Bailouts of private Financial Institutions.
"Too big to fail," is their slogan, meaning they must be saved, no
matter how incompetent they are, no matter what the co$t to American
taxpayers. Like all NeoCON slogans, it's sole purpose is to divert
attention away from what they are really up to.
Like all Confidence Scams, what they tell you is absolutely NOT what
they're doing.
You think it bothers them that Obama won? Get real! Passing their
engineered financial collapse on to him is a pure bonus. If Obama must
spend trillions upon trillions to cover for their mistakes, all the
better. It will speed them faster and closer to that glorious day when
EVERYTHING in America generates a profit.
But Socialism is an integral part of the fabric which sustains America
and Americans. Many of millions of Americans earn their taxable income
directly from Socialism.
The reason the New Deal's social experiments were tried, and
succeeded, is the same reason they must come back again. The GREED of
unfettered Capitalism once nearly destroyed America, and may yet
succeed. All the assurances -- that we have safeguards in place to
prevent another Depression -- is a lot of wishful thinking. Obviously,
they have not worked flawlessly and automatically thus far.
Part of the reason was the intentional dismantling of safety nets
brought on by Ronnie Reagan's deregulation pipe dreams. His trickle-
down notion -- that enough crumbs will fall off rich people's plates
to sustain our Nation -- was a lot of hooey. But it was packaged to
sound good, if any Americans pulled their heads out of their TVs long
enough to glance at it.
Ronnie's ideological descendant, GwB, has been pumping money as fast
as he can out of American taxpayers and into the already bulging
pockets of his rich cronies. Rich people don't make the idle rich
richer. It's the tax-paying working Middle Class, and struggling Small
Business Owners, who make rich people rich.
GwB, Chaney & Co have been creating a constant need for Military
Spending on a gargantuan scale (pretending it has anything at all to
do with establishing democracy anywhere in the World) to force all of
us to keep our noses to the grindstone. Costs spiral ever upward, and
no one has time to breathe, much less to think.
The instant that Soviet Communism collapsed, and some starry eyed
"lib- ruls" began talking about beating swords into plowshares,
NeoCONs began looking around frantically for the next War. Who wants
to sell plowshares when the real money is in tanks, rockets, planes,
ships, and bullets, especially if the Pentagon is paying.
Which brings us back to Socialism in America. The US Military is the
greatest implementation of Socialism the World has ever seen.
Concealed from public oversight by "national security" claims, the
Military provides socialized medicine, socialized housing, socialized
uniforms, socialized transportation, socialized retirement
entitlements, and even socialized burial, far beyond the cost of
armaments. Everyone enrolled in the Military is a Socialist, as they
always have been. Should we privatize the military?
"Don't you dare ever send me this Socialist propaganda again you
bloody communist!" -- which came from a County Employee in VA living
entirely off the largess of Socialism -- then send back a copy of this
to him. Surely he won't understand it, but you may feel better for
having done so.
A useful clarification: Socialism taxes private enterprise, and
redistributes that wealth all across America. Only agencies supported
directly by government tax funds fit the definition of Socialism. For
instance, municipal Fire Departments probably are. Most rural
volunteer Fire Departments are not. They're private corporations, with
their own controlling Boards of Directors, even IF they receive Grants
from Socialist Government. Electric utilities are private
corporations. So are Churches, Charities, Unions, PACs, Trash
Collectors you pay, local Arts Councils. Many Hospitals were
established by Socialist Government, but most have been converted to
profit-making private enterprise, and that's why Health Care Co$ts
have skyrocketed.
If you pay to join, or to receive services, these are likely private
corporations, not examples of Socialism. And 'tax-deductible' or 'non-
profit' in their names is an assurance that they are private, not
Socialism. Again, Public Universities are part of our home grown
Socialism. Private Universities are not. ( When I taught at Cornell,
it was strangely part private, part State. And the tuition differences
were astounding depending which part a student was enrolled in.)
Should we close all Public schools and universities. They are
socialism at work.
America is a happy mix of both, so much so that most folks don't know
the difference. If people are publicly elected to run organizations,
like School Boards, County Commissioners, Legislatures, City Councils,
they are part of American Socialism. These are some of what Imperial
NeoCONs want to get rid of by bankrupting our Government.
And the point is this: when Right Wing-nuts couldn't scream
'communist' or 'liberal' at anyone who opposed them anymore, they
tried to turn 'socialist' into a nasty label. But it doesn't work,
because the United Socialist States of America (USSA) is hugely
socialistic, from Sea to Shining Sea.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils
[of capitalism], namely through the establishment of a socialist
economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented
toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are
owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A
planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the
community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able
to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and
child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his
own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of
responsibility for his fellow men in place of the glorification of
power and success in our present society.
http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/home/articles/introductions/218-albert...
--- Why Socialism
by Albert Einstein
"Let us prey."
GOP leadership
So it's no longer whether Socialism is here, it's now all about how
great Socialism is?
YEP Socialism is great and necessary to human survival
Wise up and support Socialism. Even Jesus Christ was a Socialist
Jesus was a socialist. Jesus spoke remarkably often about wealth and
poverty

Shalom aleikhem
10 Reasons Jesus was a Socialist and a Liberal....
1. Jesus owned nothing. 2. Jesus argued for the dissolution of the
family and the establishment of communes. 3. Jesus loved all people
regardless of ethnicity or class. 4. Jesus revolted against the
imperial government, established religion and finance capitalism
(usury). 5. Jesus taught that we should act as one body, one blood. 6.
Jesus taught that his kingdom (ie nation state) is in the heart and
not below the feet. 7. Jesus taught that we should fight for Justice
and 'turn the other cheek' to petty morality. 8. Jesus was a laborer
and a teacher. 9. Jesus practiced healing and forgiveness. 10. Jesus
taught that you can't be an imperialist and a disciple at the same
time.

Shavuah Tov -- [have a] good week.
http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/49031/10-Reasons-Jesus-was-a-Socialist
Beam Me Up Scotty
2010-04-20 14:43:55 UTC
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Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Raymond
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley
truthout.org - Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are
claiming that the US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their
claim is that the US is much more generous and supportive of our working and
poor people than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working and
poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join the
US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic Cooperation and
Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most comparable European
countries, but also include some struggling countries like Czech Republic,
Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland, Slovak Republic and Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not hold
up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking the
Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the rest
of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and everyone else
is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries surveyed. In fact, the
top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual income than any other country.
And the poorest 10 percent in the US are below the average of the other OECD
countries. The rich in the US have been rapidly leaving the middle class and
poor behind since the 1980s.
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries - better
only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five kids,
is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial benefits
for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries pay families
with children cash benefits regardless of the income of the family. Some
among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and Germany) pay additional
benefits if the family is low income or one of the parents is unemployed.
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every single
one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave. The US ranks
dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give some form of paid
paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for fathers.
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of paid
leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a minimum of
eight paid annual days of leave. Most of the other 30 countries require a
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US Than
Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends to be
easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark, Norway and
Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay rich and more of
the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US children,
however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for childcare and
early education, the US is in the bottom third.
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to the
Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in part
because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family benefits is
so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is the impact of
governmental spending lower.
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece. In
2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not on the
path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more generous
with our babies, our children, our working families, our pregnant mothers
and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think we could all
appreciate it.
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Hey FOX, freedom of speech doesn't mean lies.
Socialism is alive and well in America and even those right wing folks
are socialists regardless of what they say..
Americans have been Socialist since our first Revolution. Socialism is
our gift to the World.
http://www.eons.com/blogs/entry/1334959-Facing-Socialism-in-America
Facing Socialism in America
Why do you think so many people are freaked out by the concept of
socialism?
Wikipedia: Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of
social organization advocating public or state ownership and
administration of the means of production and distribution of goods,
and a society characterized by equality for all individuals, with a
fair or egalitarian method of compensation. What’s wrong with that?
Most Americans have a problem with their own language. They use words
all the time that they do not understand.
Which brings us back to Socialism in America.
Many Americans think Socialism is some totalitarian horror found in
foreign countries, to be resisted at any cost. Socialism is not only
alive and well in America, but our lives would be far less productive
and enjoyable without it.
Any program that calls for the redistribution of wealth can be
considered socialist. For example, the tax that the United States
imposes on citizens to support the welfare system, which provides aid
to financially unstable citizens, can be considered a socialist
program. Healthcare systems like Medicare and Medicaid fall in the
same category. If someone objects to Medicare and Medicade, I guess
that they can refuse to take advantage of it and decide to pay for
private medical service and other services.
Most American stadiums are municipal, that is to say, they're owned by
the cities. ...If that's socialism, then the US is a socialist
country. Should we close these stadiums because they are socialist
investments?
With GwB and Hank Paulson socializing private banking in America,
perhaps it's time to revisit the definition. During the Presidential
Campaign and especially after Obama was elected, the words
"socialist!" and even "communist!" have been flying into computer
Inboxes all across our Nation, often preceded by a string of
expletives.
Some that are most astounding are from folks who work for local
governmental agencies. Clearly, they have a warped notion about what
Socialism is. Somehow, they've developed a screwball disconnect with
reality. If they object to socialism, they can quit their jobs and go
to work for some private operation.
Public highways are one of the finest examples of Socialism in
America. So are public schools, public parks and public libraries. Not
to mention Social Security and Medicare. And police departments and
town garbage collections and public health care and so on and so on.
Even benefits provided for Congress Members are a form of Socialism.
Should our police and fire departments require a privte contract with
citizens before they will answer a call for help? Right wing nuts
would agree with this idea.
If money is taken from private enterprise, and used for the public
good, that fits my definition of Socialism. Obviously, it also fits
the definition of Ronnie Reagan, Imperial NeoCONs, and most all
Republicans since Reagan. Why would Reagan argue for privatizing all
Government functions (except the Military) if they were not clear and
present definitions of Socialism?
The first thing GwB announced upon stealing the White House again in
2004, was that the primary aim of his next 4 years was to de-socialize
Social Security by privatizing it. GwB planned to reward those who
purchased his Office for him by turning Social Security over to Wall
$treet Bankers to run for profit.
Imagine, just for a moment, what America would look like today if GwB
HAD privatized Social Security. Picture the national disaster we'd be
in now if Social Security had been moved to Wall $treet. With the
subsequent Meltdown of Wall $treet, Social Security would have all but
vanished from America, swaddled in derivatives, buried under a pile of
rubble that would rival the World Trade Center collapse on 9/11. There
are reasons why Socialism keeps America running.
Government does not tax ANY of it socialized services. Government
taxes only private enterprise (Seldom) And that is why Capitalists
spend unbelievable amounts of money trying to subvert our Government.
They want to kill Socialism in America, except for the Military, by
privatizing everything else.
Former Interior Secretary James Watt had a Plan drawn up showing which
of our National Parks he would sell off first. The Ultimate Plan was
to eventually turn all of that wasted public land over to private
management, if not outright ownership, so that private enterprise
could butcher it up and build profitable condos, all with amazing
views to enhance their profits. This is no joke. It really, really was
on the Imperial NeoCON Drawing Board. Still is. If someone objects to
socialism, they should stay out of our national parks.
Senators Mitch McConnell (R) and Jim Bunning (R) introduce legislation
to dismantle and privatize the Tennessee Valley Authority. The next
time Mitch McConnell complains about socialism, ask him whether he
thinks the TVA should be privatized. These folks really want WWIII
anyway... they call it armageddon.
McConnell's been respectful to Barack Obama, but he's pure hell on
"But one of the good things about reading history is you learn a good
deal. And, we know for sure that the big spending programs of the New
Deal did not work. In 1940, unemployment was still 15%. And, it's
widely agreed among economists, that what got us out of the doldrums
that we were in during the Depression was the beginning of World War
II."
Glenn Thrush gives McConnell credit for "intellectual honesty." I
suppose. McConnell really seems to believe what he's saying, and he
votes accordingly.
Moving too slowly to suit them, taking too many decades to accomplish,
the collapse of Wall $treet and the World Economy due to their
unregulated Greed, provided a perfect opportunity to bankrupt our
Government with endless Bailouts of private Financial Institutions.
"Too big to fail," is their slogan, meaning they must be saved, no
matter how incompetent they are, no matter what the co$t to American
taxpayers. Like all NeoCON slogans, it's sole purpose is to divert
attention away from what they are really up to.
Like all Confidence Scams, what they tell you is absolutely NOT what
they're doing.
You think it bothers them that Obama won? Get real! Passing their
engineered financial collapse on to him is a pure bonus. If Obama must
spend trillions upon trillions to cover for their mistakes, all the
better. It will speed them faster and closer to that glorious day when
EVERYTHING in America generates a profit.
But Socialism is an integral part of the fabric which sustains America
and Americans. Many of millions of Americans earn their taxable income
directly from Socialism.
The reason the New Deal's social experiments were tried, and
succeeded, is the same reason they must come back again. The GREED of
unfettered Capitalism once nearly destroyed America, and may yet
succeed. All the assurances -- that we have safeguards in place to
prevent another Depression -- is a lot of wishful thinking. Obviously,
they have not worked flawlessly and automatically thus far.
Part of the reason was the intentional dismantling of safety nets
brought on by Ronnie Reagan's deregulation pipe dreams. His trickle-
down notion -- that enough crumbs will fall off rich people's plates
to sustain our Nation -- was a lot of hooey. But it was packaged to
sound good, if any Americans pulled their heads out of their TVs long
enough to glance at it.
Ronnie's ideological descendant, GwB, has been pumping money as fast
as he can out of American taxpayers and into the already bulging
pockets of his rich cronies. Rich people don't make the idle rich
richer. It's the tax-paying working Middle Class, and struggling Small
Business Owners, who make rich people rich.
GwB, Chaney & Co have been creating a constant need for Military
Spending on a gargantuan scale (pretending it has anything at all to
do with establishing democracy anywhere in the World) to force all of
us to keep our noses to the grindstone. Costs spiral ever upward, and
no one has time to breathe, much less to think.
The instant that Soviet Communism collapsed, and some starry eyed
"lib- ruls" began talking about beating swords into plowshares,
NeoCONs began looking around frantically for the next War. Who wants
to sell plowshares when the real money is in tanks, rockets, planes,
ships, and bullets, especially if the Pentagon is paying.
Which brings us back to Socialism in America. The US Military is the
greatest implementation of Socialism the World has ever seen.
Concealed from public oversight by "national security" claims, the
Military provides socialized medicine, socialized housing, socialized
uniforms, socialized transportation, socialized retirement
entitlements, and even socialized burial, far beyond the cost of
armaments. Everyone enrolled in the Military is a Socialist, as they
always have been. Should we privatize the military?
"Don't you dare ever send me this Socialist propaganda again you
bloody communist!" -- which came from a County Employee in VA living
entirely off the largess of Socialism -- then send back a copy of this
to him. Surely he won't understand it, but you may feel better for
having done so.
A useful clarification: Socialism taxes private enterprise, and
redistributes that wealth all across America. Only agencies supported
directly by government tax funds fit the definition of Socialism. For
instance, municipal Fire Departments probably are. Most rural
volunteer Fire Departments are not. They're private corporations, with
their own controlling Boards of Directors, even IF they receive Grants
from Socialist Government. Electric utilities are private
corporations. So are Churches, Charities, Unions, PACs, Trash
Collectors you pay, local Arts Councils. Many Hospitals were
established by Socialist Government, but most have been converted to
profit-making private enterprise, and that's why Health Care Co$ts
have skyrocketed.
If you pay to join, or to receive services, these are likely private
corporations, not examples of Socialism. And 'tax-deductible' or 'non-
profit' in their names is an assurance that they are private, not
Socialism. Again, Public Universities are part of our home grown
Socialism. Private Universities are not. ( When I taught at Cornell,
it was strangely part private, part State. And the tuition differences
were astounding depending which part a student was enrolled in.)
Should we close all Public schools and universities. They are
socialism at work.
America is a happy mix of both, so much so that most folks don't know
the difference. If people are publicly elected to run organizations,
like School Boards, County Commissioners, Legislatures, City Councils,
they are part of American Socialism. These are some of what Imperial
NeoCONs want to get rid of by bankrupting our Government.
And the point is this: when Right Wing-nuts couldn't scream
'communist' or 'liberal' at anyone who opposed them anymore, they
tried to turn 'socialist' into a nasty label. But it doesn't work,
because the United Socialist States of America (USSA) is hugely
socialistic, from Sea to Shining Sea.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils
[of capitalism], namely through the establishment of a socialist
economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented
toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are
owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A
planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the
community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able
to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and
child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his
own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of
responsibility for his fellow men in place of the glorification of
power and success in our present society.
http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/home/articles/introductions/218-albert...
--- Why Socialism
by Albert Einstein
"Let us prey."
GOP leadership
So it's no longer whether Socialism is here, it's now all about how
great Socialism is?
YEP Socialism is great and necessary to human survival
Wise up and support Socialism. Even Jesus Christ was a Socialist
Jesus was a socialist. Jesus spoke remarkably often about wealth and
poverty
Shalom aleikhem
10 Reasons Jesus was a Socialist and a Liberal....
1. Jesus owned nothing. 2. Jesus argued for the dissolution of the
family and the establishment of communes. 3. Jesus loved all people
regardless of ethnicity or class. 4. Jesus revolted against the
imperial government, established religion and finance capitalism
(usury). 5. Jesus taught that we should act as one body, one blood. 6.
Jesus taught that his kingdom (ie nation state) is in the heart and
not below the feet. 7. Jesus taught that we should fight for Justice
and 'turn the other cheek' to petty morality. 8. Jesus was a laborer
and a teacher. 9. Jesus practiced healing and forgiveness. 10. Jesus
taught that you can't be an imperialist and a disciple at the same
time.
Shavuah Tov -- [have a] good week.
http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/49031/10-Reasons-Jesus-was-a-Socialist
*YOU MAKE ME WANT TO PUKE*
SPierce
2010-04-20 02:48:01 UTC
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Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley
truthout.org - Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are
claiming that the US is hot on the path toward socialism.
# Not socialism...Communism. This is how it crept into America:

California once richer than a dozen European countries is now bankrupt. See
who did it...not the filthy rich at all.
http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_california-unions.html
Rightardia
2010-04-20 03:32:50 UTC
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Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley
truthout.org - Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are
claiming that the US is hot on the path toward socialism.
California once richer than a dozen European countries is now bankrupt. See
who did it...not the filthy rich at all.
http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_california-unions.html
Socialism scares Republicans and the affluent. Socialism is an economic
system that is the opposite of capitalism. almost all government are
mixed: they have elements of both capitalism and socialism. The
political extreme of socialism is communism while the political extreme
of capitalism is fascism.

Class warfare has been a fact o life in the US since the republic was
founded. Since Reagan, the rich have been winning.

Our health care system was second class: the US has the highest abortion
rate in the industrial world and a higher mortality and infant mortality
rate than Canada.

There was no excuse for this. We pay twice as much for health insurance
as the other industrial countries.
--
Rightardia: The progressive alternative to conservative fascism.
SPierce
2010-04-20 08:11:18 UTC
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Post by Rightardia
Our health care system was second class: the US has the highest abortion
rate in the industrial world and a higher mortality and infant mortality
rate than Canada.
There was no excuse for this. We pay twice as much for health insurance as
the other industrial countries.
# Just a question...could it be that you have such clever electronic
gadgetry in hospitals that requires highly trained personnel and any kind of
medical treatment in America is better than anywhere else.

The abortion rate is nothing to do with medical treatment...it's a social
problem, to do with attitudes to family, money and responsibility.

And the higher mortality and infant mortality has everything to do with
Mexican immigrants. White Americans would not be worse off than they were
in the 1950s, medically speaking. But I suggest that they are the ones
expected to pay for all the Mexican illnesses.
Rightardia
2010-04-20 17:17:21 UTC
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Post by Rightardia
Our health care system was second class: the US has the highest abortion
rate in the industrial world and a higher mortality and infant mortality
rate than Canada.
There was no excuse for this. We pay twice as much for health insurance as
the other industrial countries.
# Just a question...could it be that you have such clever electronic
gadgetry in hospitals that requires highly trained personnel and any kind of
medical treatment in America is better than anywhere else.
The abortion rate is nothing to do with medical treatment...it's a social
problem, to do with attitudes to family, money and responsibility.
And the higher mortality and infant mortality has everything to do with
Mexican immigrants. White Americans would not be worse off than they were
in the 1950s, medically speaking. But I suggest that they are the ones
expected to pay for all the Mexican illnesses.
Actually the abortion rate is expected to go down because mothers know
their unborn children will have health care. The other industrialized
nations with national health care have far lower abortion rates.

A lot of the electronics like MRIs have increased costs because there is
a lot of duplicate equipment that doctor's purchase that is unneeded. In
the case of Medicare and Medicaid, the government will reimburse at a
lower rate if the clinic can not operate equipment such as an MRI at 75
per cent efficiency.

Please provide a citation for you assertion that the higher mortality
and infant mortality rates in the US are caused by Mexicans. Some
Mexican mothers cross the border so their unborn children will get
better care. You comment about Mexicans is racist.

The real problem with US health care was it provided little bang for the
buck. One sixth of the population wasn't covered and there were
loopholes that allowed the insurance to drop people with pre-existing
conditions and those who exceeded lifetime caps.
--
Rightardia: The progressive alternative to conservative fascism.
Siobhan Medeiros
2010-04-20 19:26:59 UTC
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Post by Rightardia
Our health care system was second class: the US has the highest abortion
rate in the industrial world and a higher mortality and infant mortality
rate than Canada.
There was no excuse for this. We pay twice as much for health insurance as
the other industrial countries.
#  Just a  question...could it be that you have such clever electronic
gadgetry in hospitals that requires highly trained personnel and any kind of
medical treatment in America is better than anywhere else.
No. Other countries get far better results.
Post by SPierce
The abortion rate is nothing to do with medical treatment...it's a social
problem, to do with attitudes to family, money and responsibility.
So you're saying that the US has bad attitudes to family, money, and
responsibility?

So countries such as Canada have better attitudes to family, money,
and responsibility since the abortion rate is lower. And Canada has
universal healthcare. Therefore, people with positive attitudes
toward family, money, and responsibility are in favor of universal
healthcare. So why aren't you?
Post by SPierce
And the higher mortality and infant mortality has everything to do with
Mexican immigrants.  
Why? Are they going back to Mexico to bear their children?
Post by SPierce
White Americans would not be worse off than they were
in the 1950s, medically speaking.  
And the racist speaks.
Post by SPierce
But I suggest that they are the ones
expected to pay for all the Mexican illnesses.
And what "Mexican" illnesses would that be?

Raymond
2010-04-20 03:45:25 UTC
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Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley
truthout.org - Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are
claiming that the US is hot on the path toward socialism.
California once richer than a dozen European countries is now bankrupt.  See
who did it...not the filthy rich at all.http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_california-unions.html
California's crisis and the collapse of the Republican
Party ...California's Illegal Aliens Cost Taxpayers Nearly $9 Billion
A Year. Much of California’s political upheaval of the last decade and
a half has been driven by the collapse of the state’s once-formidable
Republican Party. Alarmingly, national Republicans now seem to follow
their lead. Progressives may think this cause for celebration – - but
if the Republican Party in the U.S. becomes what it is in California,
America has some hard days ahead.

California's nearly 3 million illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly
$9 billion each year, according to a new report released last week by
the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a Washington, D.C.-
based group that promotes stricter immigration policies.

--- North County Times
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000506.html

Educating the children of illegal immigrants is the largest cost,
estimated at $7.7 billion each year, according to the report. Medical
care for illegal immigrants and incarceration of those who have
committed crimes are the next two largest expenses measured in the
study, the author said.

Jack Martin, who wrote the report, said Thursday that the $9 billion
figure does not include other expenses that are difficult to measure,
such as special English instruction, school lunch programs, and
welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal immigrant
workers.

"It's a bottom of the range number," Martin said.

To absorb the lessons that California provides, we first must
understand that California was once, not so long ago, a Republican
stronghold. Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and the tax revolt all came
from here. There were eighteen governors of California in the
twentieth century, and fourteen were Republicans. California saw 25
presidential contests between 1896 and 1996, and Republicans won 15 of
them, including every presidential race between 1952 and 1988 except
for 1964 (the year almost every state went for Lyndon Johnson).

Republicans have not won a presidential election since 1988. In 2008,
Barack Obama won California by margins not seen since the days of
Franklin Roosevelt.

Today, the Republican Party in California lags far behind in
registrations and in elected officers. The only strategy of their
legislative delegation is to deny Democrats the supermajority they
need to determine budgets and taxes. Party prospects have seldom
looked dimmer.

--- California’s crisis and the collapse of the Republican Party.
May 29, 2009 in guest post, history and current events | by Kathy

--- Louis Warren
Warren once again helps us understand the historical roots of
California’s current crisis. Thanks, Louis.
Siobhan Medeiros
2010-04-20 19:22:31 UTC
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Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley
truthout.org - Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are
claiming that the US is hot on the path toward socialism.
California once richer than a dozen European countries is now bankrupt.  See
who did it...
Reagan and Proposition 8.
Werner
2010-04-20 17:36:37 UTC
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Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley
truthout.org - Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are
claiming that the US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their
claim is that the US is much more generous and supportive of our working and
poor people than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
...
" 
In crafting the Bill of Rights, the framers were careful to
acknowledge implicitly and explicitly two key truths:
The first is that government does not grant rights it acknowledges
them. They exist independently of government. They're part of who and
what we are. And, as Jefferson noted in the Declaration of
Independence, the only legitimate function of government is to secure
them.
The second is that government is a servant to whom we delegate
powers, 
not a master who dispenses privileges. The Constitution
carefully 
enumerates the powers we, the people, delegate to our
government and 
it specifically denies that government any powers not
so delegated. 
Our rights lie beyond the pale of that delegation. They
are 
sacrosanct. Any government which infringes upon them is engaged
in an 
intolerable usurpation. 
" 
www.badnarik.org 
-----
A "right" as envisioned by the Founders meant that the government 
was
  not permitted to interfere with your pursuit of them, i.e., 
your
 pursuit   of happiness was to be unhindered by government. 
The "right" of free speech means that    government cannot interfere
with your free speech.  The "right" of  gun  ownership means that the
government cannot infringe your gun ownership.     What does "right"
to health care mean?  It means that the government cannot stand    in
the way of your pursuit of health care, or impede your
obtaining health    care. The "right" to an  attorney means that the
government cannot prevent you obtaining an attorney  to represent
you.
Of course, "right" has incorrectly come to mean that someone must
supply   you with something.  If your "right" to housing means that
some slave   must supply you with housing, and your "right" to health
care means  that some slave must supply you with health care, and
your 
"right" to  an attorney means that some slave must supply you
with an 
attorney, does your "right" to free speech mean that some
slave must 
supply you with a loudspeaker, or TV air time?  Does your
"right" to 
own guns mean that some slave must supply you with guns?
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/Rights.shtml 
Dollars in the common
treasury are like fish in the common sea - 
anyone who can will
harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is 
fundamentally
corrupting and can not work. The Fed is making a lot of 
paper fish.
This is an illusion of wealth. The real fish are gone. 
 ----
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/how.shtml 
Governing has become a
way to get privileges for some at the expense 
of others.
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/what.shtml
http://www.investmentu.com/IUEL/2008/August/the-national-debt.html


===
In 1935, President Franklin D. Roosevelt promised the American people
that the new Social Security Tax would be invested at 3 per cent
interest, so that, by 1983, the tax could be ended and returns on the
investments would guarantee a retirement income for all Americans. NOT
TRUE.

He Promised participation in the Program would becompletely
voluntary;  that the participants would only have to pay 1% of the
first   $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the program; that the
money the participants elected to put Into the program would be
deductible from their income for tax purposes each year; that the
money the participants put into the Independent 'Trust Fund' rather
than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would Only be
used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other
Government program, and that the annuity payments to the retirees
would never be taxed as income. NOT TRUE.

In 1964 President Lyndon B. Johnson in his Special Message to the
Congress Proposing a Nationwide War on the Sources of Poverty said, “
I have called for a national war on poverty. Our objective: total
victory ... And in the future, as in the past, this investment will
return its cost many fold to our entire economy ... The new program I
propose is within our means. Its cost of 970 million dollars ...” NOT
TRUE AND OFF BY TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

How about federal health care programs? Medicare for the poor aged is
an extension of the original Social Security Act and financed much
like the Trust Fund. Like the Trust Fund it has no surplus, no
savings, no assets, only federal IOUs. Medicaid expenditures for poor
adults and children, financed directly by the treasury, are largely
out of control and demand an ever expanding part of government budgets
and the economy. Like the Social Security retirement program, both
medical programs are flirting with FINANCIAL CATASTROPHE.  

The nation is bankrupt. It can not afford another government reform.
How much care can a bankrupt country provide?   
===


On the other hand, if "we the people'' must pay for a "money pit'' we
obviously don't want, does that not make us accountable to government?
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Accountable.shtml

http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Education.shtml
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/PerformanceGap.shtml
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/ReportCard.shtml
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Schools.shtml

despite the fact that the U.S. spends the largest amount of money per
pupil in the world, standardized international achievement tests
reveal that U.S. public schools achieve mediocre scores.. For
example,
according to the 2000 Program for International Student Assessment
(PISA) for 15-
year-old students, the U.S. ranked 15th in reading, 18th in
mathematics, and 14th in science literacy among 27 OECD countries
(U.S. DOE, 2001).
http://www.uwm.edu/~kim/papers/Accountability_Final.pdf
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