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SMITH29
2009-11-08 20:22:38 UTC
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I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
lein
2009-11-08 20:26:30 UTC
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I suspect this will get  R E A L  lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
yeah, its kind of hard to make friends when all you talk about is how
great it is to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children
Yer Pal Al
2009-11-08 21:01:14 UTC
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Post by lein
I suspect this will get  R E A L  lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
yeah, its kind of hard to make friends when all you talk about is how
great it is to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children
The Mosque should have been his "community." That's where his friends
should have been. Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
The Wiz
2009-11-08 21:41:19 UTC
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Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by lein
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
yeah, its kind of hard to make friends when all you talk about is how
great it is to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children
The Mosque should have been his "community." That's where his friends
should have been. Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Obama drinks beer.
Sancho Panza
2009-11-08 22:07:13 UTC
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Post by The Wiz
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by lein
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
yeah, its kind of hard to make friends when all you talk about is how
great it is to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children
The Mosque should have been his "community." That's where his friends
should have been. Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Obama drinks beer.
Cite? And none of the malt liquor stuff.
SMITH29
2009-11-08 22:21:11 UTC
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Post by Sancho Panza
Post by The Wiz
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by lein
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
yeah, its kind of hard to make friends when all you talk about is how
great it is to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children
The Mosque should have been his "community." That's where his friends
should have been. Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Obama drinks beer.
Cite? And none of the malt liquor stuff.
xxxx
Cite? what for?
Didn't he have a few friends to the Rose Garden to " have a beer" ?
It was on every network.
http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+beer+in+the+rose+garden&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7RNTN_en
And I for one see nothing wrong with it either.
Cut the man some slack for once!

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Buerste
2009-11-08 22:31:08 UTC
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Post by SMITH29
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by The Wiz
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by lein
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
yeah, its kind of hard to make friends when all you talk about is how
great it is to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children
The Mosque should have been his "community." That's where his friends
should have been. Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Obama drinks beer.
Cite? And none of the malt liquor stuff.
xxxx
Cite? what for?
Didn't he have a few friends to the Rose Garden to " have a beer" ?
It was on every network.
http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+beer+in+the+rose+garden&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7RNTN_en
And I for one see nothing wrong with it either.
Cut the man some slack for once!
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Why can't he cut my wallet some slack?
Alex DeLarge
2009-11-08 23:37:15 UTC
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Post by Buerste
Post by SMITH29
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by The Wiz
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by lein
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
yeah, its kind of hard to make friends when all you talk about is how
great it is to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children
The Mosque should have been his "community." That's where his friends
should have been. Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Obama drinks beer.
Cite? And none of the malt liquor stuff.
xxxx
Cite? what for?
Didn't he have a few friends to the Rose Garden to " have a beer" ?
It was on every network.
http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+beer+in+the+rose+garden&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7RNTN_en
And I for one see nothing wrong with it either.
Cut the man some slack for once!
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Why can't he cut my wallet some slack?
DNC special.
SMITH29
2009-11-08 23:43:47 UTC
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Post by Buerste
Post by SMITH29
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by The Wiz
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by lein
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
yeah, its kind of hard to make friends when all you talk about is how
great it is to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children
The Mosque should have been his "community." That's where his friends
should have been. Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Obama drinks beer.
Cite? And none of the malt liquor stuff.
xxxx
Cite? what for?
Didn't he have a few friends to the Rose Garden to " have a beer" ?
It was on every network.
http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+beer+in+the+rose+garden&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7RNTN_en
And I for one see nothing wrong with it either.
Cut the man some slack for once!
29
Why can't he cut my wallet some slack?
xxxx
Wallet? You still have one?
Hand it over....

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Alex DeLarge
2009-11-08 23:36:41 UTC
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Post by SMITH29
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by The Wiz
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by lein
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
yeah, its kind of hard to make friends when all you talk about is how
great it is to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children
The Mosque should have been his "community." That's where his friends
should have been. Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Obama drinks beer.
Cite? And none of the malt liquor stuff.
xxxx
Cite? what for?
Didn't he have a few friends to the Rose Garden to " have a beer" ?
It was on every network.
http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+beer+in+the+rose+garden&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7RNTN_en
And I for one see nothing wrong with it either.
Cut the man some slack for once!
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Least he wasn't drinkin' that snooty Stella...
SMITH29
2009-11-08 23:46:42 UTC
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Post by Alex DeLarge
Post by SMITH29
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by The Wiz
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by lein
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
yeah, its kind of hard to make friends when all you talk about is how
great it is to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children
The Mosque should have been his "community." That's where his friends
should have been. Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Obama drinks beer.
Cite? And none of the malt liquor stuff.
xxxx
Cite? what for?
Didn't he have a few friends to the Rose Garden to " have a beer" ?
It was on every network.
http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+beer+in+the+rose+garden&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7RNTN_en
And I for one see nothing wrong with it either.
Cut the man some slack for once!
29
Least he wasn't drinkin' that snooty Stella...
xxxx
Ever drink chicken beer?

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The Wiz
2009-11-09 05:10:22 UTC
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Post by SMITH29
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by The Wiz
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by lein
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
yeah, its kind of hard to make friends when all you talk about is how
great it is to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children
The Mosque should have been his "community." That's where his friends
should have been. Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Obama drinks beer.
Cite? And none of the malt liquor stuff.
xxxx
Cite? what for?
Didn't he have a few friends to the Rose Garden to " have a beer" ?
It was on every network.
http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+beer+in+the+rose+garden&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7RNTN_en
And I for one see nothing wrong with it either.
Cut the man some slack for once!
29
Least he wasn't drinkin' that snooty Stella...
Wait until John Hinckley finds out that Obama has been banging Jody
Foster like a screen door with a broken hinge.
Baxter
2009-11-08 23:46:34 UTC
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Post by Sancho Panza
Post by The Wiz
Obama drinks beer.
Cite? And none of the malt liquor stuff.
Clearly your memory has been fried by alcohol - or drugs.
Bill Shatzer
2009-11-09 00:54:55 UTC
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Post by The Wiz
Obama drinks beer.
Cite? And none of the malt liquor stuff.
Although some would not consider Bud Light actual beer...

http://tinyurl.com/yj37lxy

peace and justice,
The Wiz
2009-11-09 05:08:49 UTC
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Post by The Wiz
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by lein
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
yeah, its kind of hard to make friends when all you talk about is how
great it is to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children
The Mosque should have been his "community." That's where his friends
should have been. Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Obama drinks beer.
Cite? And none of the malt liquor stuff.
Pandejo, he hosted the burglar looking leftist Negro professor and the
arresting officer to the White House, where Obama appeared on world wide
media
drinking a foreign beer. Were you in coma? Rehab? Had you head up your ass?
Yer Pal Al
2009-11-09 00:59:35 UTC
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Post by lein
I suspect this will get  R E A L  lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
yeah, its kind of hard to make friends when all you talk about is how
great it is to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children
The Mosque should have been his "community." That's where his friends
should have been. Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Obama drinks beer.
Bud Light isn't beer and I don't think he drank it anyway.

"Is it necessary to drink my own urine??.No but its sterile and i like
the taste." -BO
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2009-11-09 02:18:35 UTC
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Obama drinks beer.
Bud Light isn't beer and I don't think he drank it anyway.
Gotta keep that conspiracy theory about Obama being a closet Muslim, right?
Yer Pal Al
2009-11-09 03:34:52 UTC
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Obama drinks beer.
Bud Light isn't beer and I don't think he drank it anyway.
Gotta keep that conspiracy theory about Obama being a closet Muslim, right?
No, I don't have to:

"58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican"

http://tinyurl.com/yes4hkw

I do it because it's true:

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2009-11-09 03:40:33 UTC
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Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by The Wiz
Obama drinks beer.
Bud Light isn't beer and I don't think he drank it anyway.
Gotta keep that conspiracy theory about Obama being a closet Muslim, right?
No, I don't have to:

"58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican"

http://tinyurl.com/yes4hkw

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Why it's increasingly difficult to take Rasmussen polls seriously
July 07, 2009 12:49 pm ET by Eric Boehlert

The surveys seem to exist solely to advance GOP talking points. Meaning,
Rasmussen at times appears to function less as a legitimate polling firm and
more as the polling wing of the RNC. Today's new survey about Sarah Palin
and the repercussions of her "No mas" moment is a perfectly example.

I have no problem with the actual results per se, which are that 40 percent
of Republicans think her quitting the Alaska governorship will hurt her
chances to run for the White House in 2012. The bizarre part is that the
Rasmussen poll only asks Republican voters their opinion about Palin.
Independents and Democrats are of no interest to the GOP-centric Rasmussen.
(Just my hunch, but if those two voter groups had been included, I'm
guessing the final results would have between 70-80 percent of voters think
Palin's career move was a bad one.)

What kind of polling firm, while trying to take the country's temperature
about politics, only questions Republicans?

Meanwhile, in its write-up Rasmussen emphasized the RNC talking points about
how Palin has been subjected to "relentless and generally hostile media
coverage." (So the polling firm is now in the media criticism business?) Yet
Rasmussen only points to a late-night comedian for proof of "hostile media
coverage."

http://tinyurl.com/ylhkaf4
squirltok
2009-11-09 05:06:05 UTC
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Post by The Wiz
Obama drinks beer.
Bud Light isn't beer and I don't think he drank it anyway.
Gotta keep that conspiracy theory about Obama being a closet Muslim, right?
"58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican"
http://tinyurl.com/yes4hkw
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Why it's increasingly difficult to take Rasmussen polls seriously
July 07, 2009 12:49 pm ET by Eric Boehlert
The surveys seem to exist solely to advance GOP talking points. Meaning,
Rasmussen at times appears to function less as a legitimate polling firm and
more as the polling wing of the RNC. Today's new survey about Sarah Palin
and the repercussions of her "No mas" moment is a perfectly example.
Rasmussen, the polling that shows peoples current healthcare somehow
gets better each week.
Post by Yer Pal Al
I have no problem with the actual results per se, which are that 40 percent
of Republicans think her quitting the Alaska governorship will hurt her
chances to run for the White House in 2012. The bizarre part is that the
Rasmussen poll only asks Republican voters their opinion about Palin.
Independents and Democrats are of no interest to the GOP-centric Rasmussen.
(Just my hunch, but if those two voter groups had been included, I'm
guessing the final results would have between 70-80 percent of voters think
Palin's career move was a bad one.)
She doesn't care, she is just for $$$, her drill baby drill thing
flopped so she said I'm outa here
Post by Yer Pal Al
What kind of polling firm, while trying to take the country's temperature
about politics, only questions Republicans?
Meanwhile, in its write-up Rasmussen emphasized the RNC talking points about
how Palin has been subjected to "relentless and generally hostile media
coverage." (So the polling firm is now in the media criticism business?) Yet
Rasmussen only points to a late-night comedian for proof of "hostile media
coverage."
Right wingers play themselves as victims all the time, truly pathetic
political strategy.
Post by Yer Pal Al
http://tinyurl.com/ylhkaf4
Barack Hussein Bohica
2009-11-09 08:17:24 UTC
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Post by The Wiz
Obama drinks beer.
Bud Light isn't beer and I don't think he drank it anyway.
Gotta keep that conspiracy theory about Obama being a closet Muslim, right?
"58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican"
http://tinyurl.com/yes4hkw
http://jtf.org/images/ObamaMuslim.jpg
http://crazydrumguy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/obama_muslim_garb.jpg
Muslim? Or in Aunt Jemima drag?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw
Bill Shatzer
2009-11-09 05:36:36 UTC
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Post by The Wiz
Obama drinks beer.
Bud Light isn't beer and I don't think he drank it anyway.
Gotta keep that conspiracy theory about Obama being a closet Muslim, right?
Whether or not Bud Light is beer, it's clearly alcoholic.

Ya' don't find Bud Light at the Riyadh Quickie Mart.

peace and justice,
SMITH29
2009-11-09 17:28:48 UTC
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Post by Baxter
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Post by The Wiz
Obama drinks beer.
Bud Light isn't beer and I don't think he drank it anyway.
Gotta keep that conspiracy theory about Obama being a closet Muslim, right?
Whether or not Bud Light is beer, it's clearly alcoholic.
Ya' don't find Bud Light at the Riyadh Quickie Mart.
peace and justice,
xxxx
Did you research that?
http://www.google.com/search?q=ahram+beverage+co.&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7RNTN_en
gb
2009-11-09 17:53:09 UTC
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Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
yeah, its kind of hard to make friends when all you talk about is how
great it is to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children
The Mosque should have been his "community." That's where his friends
should have been. Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Obama drinks beer.
And he's not a Muslim.
The Wiz
2009-11-09 20:14:03 UTC
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Post by The Wiz
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by lein
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
yeah, its kind of hard to make friends when all you talk about is how
great it is to strap on a suicide vest and blow up women and children
The Mosque should have been his "community." That's where his friends
should have been. Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Obama drinks beer.
And he's not a Muslim.
The Muslims think he is. He thinks he is. He acts like a Muslim. He
talks like a Muslim. He looks like a Muslim.He hates Jews. He went to
Muslim schools, Muslims paid for his education, and he bows to a Muslim
King, and his wife looks like a shaved gorilla.
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Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Same thing if you're a Mormon.
SMITH29
2009-11-08 23:45:27 UTC
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Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Same thing if you're a Mormon.
xxxx
Mormons drink on the sly but they drink plenty.

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hal lillywhite
2009-11-09 01:10:49 UTC
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Mormons drink on the sly but they drink plenty.
Call for references, and not just the jokes that go around.

While there are some "inactive" Mormons who drink alcohol, that is not
the general rule. In fact Utah is among the lowest per capita in
alcohol consumption by state. Of course not all Utah residents are
Mormons, nor are all Mormons in Utah but that has to mean something

www.niaaa.nih.gov/Resources/GraphicsGallery/consfigs4text.htm

Incidently, Oregon is among the highest states in per capita
consumption.
SMITH29
2009-11-09 01:58:59 UTC
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Post by SMITH29
Mormons drink on the sly but they drink plenty.
Call for references, and not just the jokes that go around.
While there are some "inactive" Mormons who drink alcohol, that is not
the general rule. In fact Utah is among the lowest per capita in
alcohol consumption by state. Of course not all Utah residents are
Mormons, nor are all Mormons in Utah but that has to mean something
www.niaaa.nih.gov/Resources/GraphicsGallery/consfigs4text.htm
Incidently, Oregon is among the highest states in per capita
consumption.
xxxx
http://alcoholism.about.com/library/nconsum04.htm

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SMITH29
2009-11-09 02:32:47 UTC
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Post by SMITH29
Mormons drink on the sly but they drink plenty.
Call for references, and not just the jokes that go around.
While there are some "inactive" Mormons who drink alcohol, that is not
the general rule. In fact Utah is among the lowest per capita in
alcohol consumption by state. Of course not all Utah residents are
Mormons, nor are all Mormons in Utah but that has to mean something
www.niaaa.nih.gov/Resources/GraphicsGallery/consfigs4text.htm
xxxx
Each Utah resident drinks 20 gallons of beer annually.
That's just beer alone.
It's lower than us Neanderthal knuckle dragger's but being smack dab in
the center of the Mormon belt I'm thinking the majority of residents are
indeed Mormon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Corridor
One positive attribute is they tend to take care of themselves in many
cases....

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Post by hal lillywhite
Incidently, Oregon is among the highest states in per capita
consumption.
hal lillywhite
2009-11-09 04:01:15 UTC
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Each Utah resident drinks 20 gallons of beer annually.
That's just beer alone.
Reference? Not true in any case, such statistics are *averages* and
say little or nothing about what any individual in that group does.
Post by SMITH29
It's lower than us Neanderthal knuckle dragger's
As I say, Utah has a much lower than average alcohol consumption.
Almost certainly that is due to the Mormon culture providing a lot of
teetotalers who bring the average down. As Smith29's link documents,
Utah has about 70% who do not drink alcohol at all. Rather in
contrast to the claim that Mormons drink.
Bill Shatzer
2009-11-09 06:03:56 UTC
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Post by SMITH29
Each Utah resident drinks 20 gallons of beer annually.
That's just beer alone.
Reference? Not true in any case,
True in any case.

http://www.beerinfo.com/index.php/pages/beerstateconsumption.html
Post by hal lillywhite
such statistics are *averages* and
say little or nothing about what any individual in that group does.
Post by SMITH29
It's lower than us Neanderthal knuckle dragger's
As I say, Utah has a much lower than average alcohol consumption.
Almost certainly that is due to the Mormon culture providing a lot of
teetotalers who bring the average down. As Smith29's link documents,
Utah has about 70% who do not drink alcohol at all. Rather in
contrast to the claim that Mormons drink.
Well Utah is about 2/3rds Mormon while its beer consumption is about
2/3rds the national average.

Either the non-Mormon population of Utah is swilling Budweiser at about
double the national average or some of the Mormons are taking a swig or
two (or three) now and then.

peace and justice,
hal lillywhite
2009-11-09 13:23:46 UTC
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Post by SMITH29
Each Utah resident drinks 20 gallons of beer annually.
That's just beer alone.
Reference?  Not true in any case,
True in any case.
Absolutely not true. The claim was that *each* resident drinks 20
gallons. Clearly there are many who drink none at all.

...
Post by Bill Shatzer
Well Utah is about 2/3rds Mormon while its beer consumption is about
2/3rds the national average.
Either the non-Mormon population of Utah is swilling Budweiser at about
double the national average or some of the Mormons are taking a swig or
two (or three) now and then.
Some Mormons do take a swig or two but there are plenty who never do.
Yer Pal Al
2009-11-09 15:31:46 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by SMITH29
Each Utah resident drinks 20 gallons of beer annually.
That's just beer alone.
Reference?  Not true in any case,
True in any case.
Absolutely not true.  The claim was that *each* resident drinks 20
gallons.  Clearly there are many who drink none at all.
...
Post by Bill Shatzer
Well Utah is about 2/3rds Mormon while its beer consumption is about
2/3rds the national average.
Either the non-Mormon population of Utah is swilling Budweiser at about
double the national average or some of the Mormons are taking a swig or
two (or three) now and then.
Some Mormons do take a swig or two but there are plenty who never do.
Would you say that out of state skiers to Snowbird drink more or less
beer than the average Utah resident?
Bill Shatzer
2009-11-09 20:28:26 UTC
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Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by hal lillywhite
Post by Bill Shatzer
Well Utah is about 2/3rds Mormon while its beer consumption is about
2/3rds the national average.
Either the non-Mormon population of Utah is swilling Budweiser at about
double the national average or some of the Mormons are taking a swig or
two (or three) now and then.
Some Mormons do take a swig or two but there are plenty who never do.
Would you say that out of state skiers to Snowbird drink more or less
beer than the average Utah resident?
I would think it's largely irrelevant.

Total out of state visitors to -all- of Utah's ski resorts was 647,000.

Assuming an average stay of two weeks, that's the equivalent of 25,000
year round residents - or something less than 1% of Utah's population of
2.7 million.

Even if -all- those visitors drink like fishes, it ain't gonna make a
significant difference in average consumption.

peace and justice,

SMITH29
2009-11-09 17:47:01 UTC
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Post by hal lillywhite
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by hal lillywhite
Post by SMITH29
Each Utah resident drinks 20 gallons of beer annually.
That's just beer alone.
Reference? Not true in any case,
True in any case.
Absolutely not true. The claim was that *each* resident drinks 20
gallons. Clearly there are many who drink none at all.
...
Post by Bill Shatzer
Well Utah is about 2/3rds Mormon while its beer consumption is about
2/3rds the national average.
Either the non-Mormon population of Utah is swilling Budweiser at about
double the national average or some of the Mormons are taking a swig or
two (or three) now and then.
Some Mormons do take a swig or two but there are plenty who never do.
xxxx
Picky picky :-)
SMITH29
2009-11-09 17:44:52 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by hal lillywhite
Post by SMITH29
Each Utah resident drinks 20 gallons of beer annually.
That's just beer alone.
Reference? Not true in any case,
True in any case.
http://www.beerinfo.com/index.php/pages/beerstateconsumption.html
Post by hal lillywhite
such statistics are *averages* and
say little or nothing about what any individual in that group does.
Post by SMITH29
It's lower than us Neanderthal knuckle dragger's
As I say, Utah has a much lower than average alcohol consumption.
Almost certainly that is due to the Mormon culture providing a lot of
teetotalers who bring the average down. As Smith29's link documents,
Utah has about 70% who do not drink alcohol at all. Rather in
contrast to the claim that Mormons drink.
Well Utah is about 2/3rds Mormon while its beer consumption is about
2/3rds the national average.
Either the non-Mormon population of Utah is swilling Budweiser at about
double the national average or some of the Mormons are taking a swig or
two (or three) now and then.
peace and justice,
xxxx
When I was with Philips 1967 our Utah engineer needed help so the wife
and I went to Ogden for 3 weeks.
We would party every night and had a ball.
The Mormon neighbor was critical of the beer busts until he was caught
red handed in the liquor store with a bottle of whiskey in hand.
LESSON LEARNED: Mormons, Islam, Catholic, Jew, Protestant, heathen, all
drink alcoholic beverages.
The statistics have trouble measuring home brew consumption.
Can Utahans brew beer?
http://www.truthout.org/030609B
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2009-11-09 17:53:09 UTC
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Post by Yer Pal Al
Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Same thing if you're a Mormon.
Mormons drink on the sly but they drink plenty.
Some do indeed - proving once again that Religion doesn't stop folks
from doing what they really and truly Want to do.

But it's also the case that Some Muslims also drink plenty, on the
sly, when they think no one is looking.

Just as Some Xtians commit adultery, even though that's proscribed
conduct too.
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Post by Yer Pal Al
Of course, as a Moslem, he's not going to join his
neighbors for a beer.
Same thing if you're a Mormon.
Or a Seventh Day Adventist.

peace and justice,
Alex DeLarge
2009-11-08 20:29:39 UTC
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Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
Agreed.

But for spooky parallels, what are the chances he rents an apartment
from a guy named Jose Padilla?!?


"Hasan found the apartment through an advertisement in the Killeen Daily
Herald, said Jose Padilla, a retired Army man who owns the complex. "
The Wiz
2009-11-08 21:43:44 UTC
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Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
We shouldn't jump to conclusions and mention that the fuckwit is a
Muslim extemist who believed suicide bombers were justified.
I hope they turn him into a human plumb bob, like his idol Hussein.
Bill Shatzer
2009-11-09 00:30:38 UTC
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Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
"Quiet loner".

Rather the standard after the fact description of folks who engage in
these types of shootings, quite regardless of their religion.

peace and justice,
hal lillywhite
2009-11-09 01:15:34 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
I suspect this will get  R E A L  lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
"Quiet loner".
Rather the standard after the fact description of folks who engage in
these types of shootings, quite regardless of their religion.
True and I know of no reliable evidence that "quiet loners" are all
that likely to go postal. More significant red flags would be the
reports that he was expressing great sympathy with the terrorists and
severe disagreement with the US going after them. Seems a bit much to
expect someone with those beliefs to work for the defense of his
country if those reports are true.
tdny
2009-11-09 04:44:22 UTC
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23915.htm


Horror at Fort Hood Inspires Horribly Predictable Islamophobia

By John Nichols

November 06, 2009 "The Nation" --

Thursday's shootings at Fort Hood army base in Texas --
which have left at least 11 people dead and 31 others wounded --
were of course the "horrific outburst of violence"
that President Obama bemoaned and condemned Thursday.

But, because a soldier identified as the gunman had
a name that led to the presumption that he was Muslim,
the incident inspired an all-too-predictable outbreak of Islamophobia.

News reports named the man who used two handguns
in the assault on his fellow soldiers at a base
that is a prime point of departure for troops
headed to Iraq and Afghanistan as Major Malik Nidal Hasan.

The major, who was wounded during the incident,
was reportedly a psychiatrist who had served in
the Department of Psychology at the Center for
the Study of Traumatic Stress at the Bethesda
Naval Facility in Bethesda, Maryland,
before his transfer to Fort Hood.


Hours after the incident,
and hours after news anchors and politicians cited
his religion as an explanation for the shootings,
a family member told reporters Major Hasan was indeed a Muslim.

But that was hardly the only relevant detail about the major.

For instance, according to Texas Senator Bailey Hutchison,
preparing to deploy to Iraq. However, the senator said,

"I do know that he has been known to have told
people that he was upset about going (to Iraq)."


Several new reports suggested that the major saw
a deployment to Iraq as his "worst nightmare" and
recounted how he had treated victims of combat-related
stress and was upset about the war.

Military officials at the base and in Washington
refused to speculate about motivations or intents.

And Paul Sullivan,
executive director of the group Veterans for Common Sense,
noted that the incident might well be the latest in a series
of stress-related homicides and suicides involving soldiers
who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan or are being dispatched
to those occupied lands.

No one knew on Thursday whether stress, fear,
anger over mistreatment, mental illness or a
warped understanding of his religion might
have motivated Major Hasan.


The point here is not to defend the
soldier or his alleged actions.

Rather, it is to question the rush to
judgment regarding not just this one
Muslim but all Muslims.

It should be understood that to assume a
follower of Islam who engages in violence
is a jihadist is every bit as absurd to
assume that every follower of Christianity
who attacks others is a crusader.


The calculus makes no sense, and is rooted
in a bigotry that everyone from George W.
Bush to Pope Benedict XVI has condemned.

But that did not stop right-wing web sites
from exploding with incendiary speculation
about a "Jihad at Fort Hood?" and a "Terrorist Incident in Texas."

Fox News host Shepard Smith asked
Senator Hutchison on air:

"The name tells us a lot, does it not, senator?"

Hutchinson's response?

"It does.

It does, Shepard."

Neither Smith nor Hutchison had any information
to suggest that Major Hasan's name offered even
the slightest shred of information regarding the
incident at Fort Hood.

What could Hutchinson have said that might
have been more responsible response?

She could have emphasized that the
investigation of the shooting spree
has barely begun.

She might also have noted that thousands
of Muslims serve honorably, indeed heroically,
in the U.S. military;

that American Muslim soldiers have
died In Iraq and been buried
at Arlington Cemetery;


that some of the
first condemnations of the slayings
at Fort Hood came from Muslim veterans
such as Robert Salaam.

"I'm sad for those killed and wounded by
a traitor to both God and our country,
and I regret that I even feel that I have
to write something on the subject.

Words cannot express my emotions and
the instant headache I received when
notified by my dear sister Sheila Musaji
over at The American Muslim (TAM) concerning
the alleged culprit," wrote Salaam,

who served in the Marine Corps,
within minutes after learning the gunman's name.


"They have not yet released further details
such as the motive but I will state for the
record that no true Muslim could ever commit
such a crime against humanity.

As Muslims we are reminded that to
take one innocent life is as if one
killed all of mankind.

Muslims are also commanded to
keep their oaths when given."

Salaam is not alone in regretting that, as a Muslim,
he feels a need to respond to the incident with an
explanation of his religion.

But the conversation between Fox's Smith
and Senator Hutchinson reminds us why it
is necessary to respond.

And so Muslim groups have
responded quickly and unequivocally.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations,
the nation's largest Muslim civil rights
and advocacy group, issued a statement that read:

"We condemn this cowardly attack in the
strongest terms possible and ask that the
perpetrators be punished to the full extent
of the law.

No religious or political ideology could
ever justify or excuse such wanton and
indiscriminate violence.

The attack was particularly heinous in
that it targeted the all-volunteer army
that protects our nation.

American Muslims stand with our fellow
citizens in offering both prayers for
the victims and sincere condolences to
the families of those killed or injured."

Salam Al-Marayati,
executive director of the Muslim
Public Affairs Council, declared that,

"Our entire organization extends its heartfelt
condolences to the families of those killed as
well as to those wounded and their loved ones.

We stand in solidarity with law enforcement
and the US military to maintain the safety
and security of all Americans."

Those are sentiments that are worth noting,
especially by news anchors and senators who
are in a position to inform the discussion
of a horrific incident -- rather than to inflame it.

John Nichols is Washington correspondent for
The Nation and associate editor of The Capital
Times in Madison, Wisconsin.
The Wiz
2009-11-09 05:15:59 UTC
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Post by hal lillywhite
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
"Quiet loner".
Rather the standard after the fact description of folks who engage in
these types of shootings, quite regardless of their religion.
True and I know of no reliable evidence that "quiet loners" are all
that likely to go postal. More significant red flags would be the
reports that he was expressing great sympathy with the terrorists and
severe disagreement with the US going after them. Seems a bit much to
expect someone with those beliefs to work for the defense of his
country if those reports are true.
More red flags that he was a Muslim radical, and anti-American, who
believed in death to non-Muslims. When they hang this dog eating coward,
he should be wrapped in pig skin and buried with his eyes open.
gb
2009-11-09 17:53:09 UTC
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Post by The Wiz
Post by hal lillywhite
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
"Quiet loner".
Rather the standard after the fact description of folks who engage in
these types of shootings, quite regardless of their religion.
True and I know of no reliable evidence that "quiet loners" are all
that likely to go postal. More significant red flags would be the
reports that he was expressing great sympathy with the terrorists and
severe disagreement with the US going after them. Seems a bit much to
expect someone with those beliefs to work for the defense of his
country if those reports are true.
More red flags that he was a Muslim radical, and anti-American, who
believed in death to non-Muslims. When they hang this dog eating coward,
he should be wrapped in pig skin and buried with his eyes open.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/us/09reconstruct.html?_r=1&th&emc=th

...But relatives and acquaintances say tensions that led to the
rampage had been building for a long time. Investigators say Major
Hasan bought the gun used in the massacre last summer, days after
arriving at Fort Hood.

In recent years, he had grown more and more vocal about his opposition
to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and tortured over reconciling his
military duties with his religion. He tried to get out of the Army,
relatives said, and apparently believed it to be impossible, though
experts say he was probably given inadequate advice.

At times, he complained, too, about harassment, once describing how
someone had put a diaper in his car, saying, “That’s your headdress.”
In another case cited by relatives, someone had drawn a camel on his
car and written under it, “Camel jockey, get out!”

Major Hasan’s behavior in the months and weeks leading up to the
shooting bespeaks a troubled man full of contradictions. He lived
frugally in a run-down apartment, yet made a good salary and spent
more than $1,100 on the pistol the authorities said he used in the
shootings.

He was described as gentle and kindly by many neighbors, quick with a
smile or a hello, yet he complained bitterly to people at his mosque
about the oppression of Muslims in the Army. He had few friends, and
even the men he interacted with at the mosque saw him as a strange
figure whom they never fully accepted into their circle.

“He was obviously upset,” said Duane Reasoner Jr., an 18-year-old who
attended the mosque and ate frequently with Major Hasan at the Golden
Corral restaurant. “He didn’t want to go to Afghanistan.”...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/us/09muslim.html?_r=1&th&emc=th

...Thousands of Muslims have served in the United States military — a
legacy that some trace to the First World War. But in the years since
Sept. 11, 2001, as the United States has become mired in two wars on
Muslim lands, the service of Muslim-Americans is more necessary and
more complicated than ever before.

On Sunday, the Army’s chief of staff, Gen. George W. Casey Jr., said
he worried about a backlash against Muslims in the armed forces and
emphasized the military’s reliance on those men and women.

“Our diversity, not only in our Army but in our country, is a
strength,” General Casey said Sunday on “Meet the Press” on NBC. “And
as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty,
I think that’s worse.”

It is unclear what might have motivated Major Hasan, who is suspected
of killing 13 people. Senior military and law enforcement officials
said they had tentatively dismissed the possibility that he was
carrying out a terrorist plot. He seems to have been influenced by a
mixture of political, religious and psychological factors, the
officials said.

Muslim leaders, advocates and military service members have taken
pains to denounce the shooting and distance themselves from Major
Hasan. They make the point that his violence is no more representative
of them than it is of other groups to which he belongs, including Army
psychiatrists.

“I don’t understand why the Muslim-American community has to take
responsibility for him,” said Ingrid Mattson, the president of the
Islamic Society of North America. “The Army has had at least as much
time and opportunity to form and shape this person as the Muslim
community.”...

Since Sept. 11, the nation’s military has actively recruited
Muslim-Americans, eager to have people with linguistic skills and a
cultural understanding of the Middle East. Some 3,557 military
personnel identify themselves as Muslim among 1.4 million people in
the active-duty population, according to official figures. Muslim
advocacy groups estimate the number to be far higher, as listing one’s
religious preference is voluntary....

And yet more than 3,500 Muslims have deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan,
according to Defense Department figures provided to The Times. As of
2006, some 212 Muslim-American soldiers had been awarded Combat Action
Ribbons for their service in Iraq and Afghanistan, and seven had been
killed.

Too many Americans overlook the heroic efforts of Arab-Americans in
uniform, said Capt. Eric Rahman, 35, an Army reservist who was awarded
the Bronze Star for his service in Iraq at the start of the war. He
cited the example of Lieutenant Michael A. Monsoor, a Navy Seal who
was awarded the Medal of Honor after pulling a team member to safety
during firefight in 2006, in Ramadi, Iraq.

Lieutenant Monsoor died saving another American, yet he will never be
remembered like Major Hasan, said Captain Rahman.

Regardless, he said, Muslim- and Arab-Americans are crucial to the
military’s success in Afghanistan and Iraq.

“Take a look at these conflicts,” he said. “We need those skill sets,
we need those backgrounds, we need those perspectives.”
The Wiz
2009-11-09 20:17:45 UTC
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Oh, Bullshit. You want your camel fucking Muslim brother to be the
victim. Fuck the shit skinned Arab, turn him into a human plumb bob like
Saddam. Deprort his mentally diseased family so that they can't breed in
the USA, and burn their house.
Bill Shatzer
2009-11-09 05:21:39 UTC
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Post by hal lillywhite
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
"Quiet loner".
Rather the standard after the fact description of folks who engage in
these types of shootings, quite regardless of their religion.
True and I know of no reliable evidence that "quiet loners" are all
that likely to go postal.
The universe of mass shooters is sufficiently small (compared to the
overall population) that no group or personality type can be said to be
"likely" to go postal. Still, "quiet loners" seem to be involved in an
inordinate number of these "stranger to stranger" mass shootings.
Post by hal lillywhite
More significant red flags would be the
reports that he was expressing great sympathy with the terrorists and
severe disagreement with the US going after them.
I suspect that's more just another symptom of the "quiet loner" syndrome.
Post by hal lillywhite
Seems a bit much to
expect someone with those beliefs to work for the defense of his
country if those reports are true.
Well, it's not as if anyone was going to hand him a machine gun and tell
him to go out and kill Muslims. He was a psychiatrist, for gawdsakes -
and rather unlikely to see anything at all which even resembled combat.

I mean, "Hawkeye" Pierce was not exactly a gung ho supporter of either
the war or the Army but still managed to function more than adequately
as an Army Surgeon.



peace and justice,
hal lillywhite
2009-11-09 13:38:11 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
The universe of mass shooters is sufficiently small (compared to the
overall population) that no group or personality type can be said to be
"likely" to go postal.
True. The danger of blaming loners is that you end up mistreating
lots of people who just are not extroverts and who are quite good
citizens.
Post by Bill Shatzer
Still, "quiet loners" seem to be involved in an
inordinate number of these "stranger to stranger" mass shootings.
True but the probability of any given loner going postal is extremely
low. No need to suspect someone just cause he's a loner.
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by hal lillywhite
More significant red flags would be the
reports that he was expressing great sympathy with the terrorists and
severe disagreement with the US going after them.  
I suspect that's more just another symptom of the "quiet loner" syndrome.
Huh? How many quiet loners preach against their country? And latest
information is that he was attempting to contact al Qaeda - and that
our intelligence people knew it but did not inform the army.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873

I find it inexcusable that such potentially important information
would not be communicated to those who needed it.
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by hal lillywhite
Seems a bit much to
expect someone with those beliefs to work for the defense of his
country if those reports are true.
Well, it's not as if anyone was going to hand him a machine gun and tell
him to go out and kill Muslims. He was a psychiatrist, for gawdsakes -
and rather unlikely to see anything at all which even resembled combat.
Huh? His job involved helping keep soldiers morale up and helping them
stay focused on their job. He would be in a position to encourage
soldiers either to be good soldiers or to work against the cause they
are fighting for, even to order many sent home. Plus why would you
want to pay anyone to go into a combat zone if they want your side to
lose?
Post by Bill Shatzer
I mean, "Hawkeye" Pierce was not exactly a gung ho supporter of either
the war or the Army but still managed to function more than adequately
as an Army Surgeon.
Say what? Hawkeye Pierce never did anything because he never
existed. Fantasy is fantasy.
Bill Shatzer
2009-11-09 20:01:59 UTC
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-snip-
Post by hal lillywhite
Post by Bill Shatzer
I mean, "Hawkeye" Pierce was not exactly a gung ho supporter of either
the war or the Army but still managed to function more than adequately
as an Army Surgeon.
Say what? Hawkeye Pierce never did anything because he never
existed. Fantasy is fantasy.
H. Richard Hornberger (the author of the original novel under the nom de
plume "Richard Hooker") was an Army surgeon in Korea and the book is
based on his experiences with the (very real) 8055th MASH. The character
of Hawkeye Pierce is based on Hornberger himself.

Hornberger, I note with some pride, was a Cornell graduate.

peace and justice,
The Wiz
2009-11-09 20:25:10 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
-snip-
Post by hal lillywhite
Post by Bill Shatzer
I mean, "Hawkeye" Pierce was not exactly a gung ho supporter of either
the war or the Army but still managed to function more than adequately
as an Army Surgeon.
Say what? Hawkeye Pierce never did anything because he never
existed. Fantasy is fantasy.
H. Richard Hornberger (the author of the original novel under the nom de
plume "Richard Hooker") was an Army surgeon in Korea and the book is
based on his experiences with the (very real) 8055th MASH. The character
of Hawkeye Pierce is based on Hornberger himself.
Hornberger, I note with some pride, was a Cornell graduate.
peace and justice,
Wrong, Pierce is based on Dr. Denton Cooley, the famous Houston heart
surgeon, and there is no indication that he liked N. Koreans, and didn't
like America. You witless fuckup.
The Wiz
2009-11-09 20:23:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by hal lillywhite
Post by Bill Shatzer
The universe of mass shooters is sufficiently small (compared to the
overall population) that no group or personality type can be said to be
"likely" to go postal.
True. The danger of blaming loners is that you end up mistreating
lots of people who just are not extroverts and who are quite good
citizens.
Post by Bill Shatzer
Still, "quiet loners" seem to be involved in an
inordinate number of these "stranger to stranger" mass shootings.
True but the probability of any given loner going postal is extremely
low. No need to suspect someone just cause he's a loner.
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by hal lillywhite
More significant red flags would be the
reports that he was expressing great sympathy with the terrorists and
severe disagreement with the US going after them.
I suspect that's more just another symptom of the "quiet loner" syndrome.
Huh? How many quiet loners preach against their country? And latest
information is that he was attempting to contact al Qaeda - and that
our intelligence people knew it but did not inform the army.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873
I find it inexcusable that such potentially important information
would not be communicated to those who needed it.
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by hal lillywhite
Seems a bit much to
expect someone with those beliefs to work for the defense of his
country if those reports are true.
Well, it's not as if anyone was going to hand him a machine gun and tell
him to go out and kill Muslims. He was a psychiatrist, for gawdsakes -
and rather unlikely to see anything at all which even resembled combat.
Huh? His job involved helping keep soldiers morale up and helping them
stay focused on their job. He would be in a position to encourage
soldiers either to be good soldiers or to work against the cause they
are fighting for, even to order many sent home. Plus why would you
want to pay anyone to go into a combat zone if they want your side to
lose?
Post by Bill Shatzer
I mean, "Hawkeye" Pierce was not exactly a gung ho supporter of either
the war or the Army but still managed to function more than adequately
as an Army Surgeon.
Say what? Hawkeye Pierce never did anything because he never
existed. Fantasy is fantasy.
Shitzer lives in a fantasy world, along with Kaufman, and McAfee. They
wear pink Spandex and pick flower pedals to press in the Koran.
The Wiz
2009-11-09 20:21:54 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by hal lillywhite
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
"Quiet loner".
Rather the standard after the fact description of folks who engage in
these types of shootings, quite regardless of their religion.
True and I know of no reliable evidence that "quiet loners" are all
that likely to go postal.
The universe of mass shooters is sufficiently small (compared to the
overall population) that no group or personality type can be said to be
"likely" to go postal. Still, "quiet loners" seem to be involved in an
inordinate number of these "stranger to stranger" mass shootings.
Post by hal lillywhite
More significant red flags would be the
reports that he was expressing great sympathy with the terrorists and
severe disagreement with the US going after them.
I suspect that's more just another symptom of the "quiet loner" syndrome.
Post by hal lillywhite
Seems a bit much to
expect someone with those beliefs to work for the defense of his
country if those reports are true.
Well, it's not as if anyone was going to hand him a machine gun and tell
him to go out and kill Muslims. He was a psychiatrist, for gawdsakes -
and rather unlikely to see anything at all which even resembled combat.
I mean, "Hawkeye" Pierce was not exactly a gung ho supporter of either
the war or the Army but still managed to function more than adequately
as an Army Surgeon.
Wow, what a glaring indication that you live in a fantasy world. Maybe
you can get Obama
to hire the writers of "MASH" and have them rewrite the Fort Hood
massacre so that everyone gets along and the dead come back to life.
Shitzie, you are more fucked up than Nancy Peosi. Almost. You are
delusional.
The Wiz
2009-11-09 05:13:34 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
"Quiet loner".
Rather the standard after the fact description of folks who engage in
these types of shootings, quite regardless of their religion.
peace and justice,
Except that this guy was a Muslim radical. An anti-American Mohammad
loving, towel headed freak. He followed a religion that advocates
killing non-Muslims, and he said that Muslim suicide bombers were
justified.
Bill Shatzer
2009-11-09 06:24:35 UTC
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Post by The Wiz
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
"Quiet loner".
Rather the standard after the fact description of folks who engage in
these types of shootings, quite regardless of their religion.
Except that this guy was a Muslim radical. An anti-American Mohammad
loving, towel headed freak. He followed a religion that advocates
killing non-Muslims, and he said that Muslim suicide bombers were
justified.
They are ALL some sort of nut case.

The particular flavor of nutcase is not all that important.

peace and justice,
The Wiz
2009-11-09 20:25:52 UTC
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Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by The Wiz
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
"Quiet loner".
Rather the standard after the fact description of folks who engage in
these types of shootings, quite regardless of their religion.
Except that this guy was a Muslim radical. An anti-American Mohammad
loving, towel headed freak. He followed a religion that advocates
killing non-Muslims, and he said that Muslim suicide bombers were
justified.
They are ALL some sort of nut case.
The particular flavor of nutcase is not all that important.
peace and justice,
That's what Custer said about Indians you witless shithead.
Yer Pal Al
2009-11-09 08:48:52 UTC
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Post by The Wiz
Post by Bill Shatzer
I suspect this will get  R E A L  lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
"Quiet loner".
Rather the standard after the fact description of folks who engage in
these types of shootings, quite regardless of their religion.
peace and justice,
Except that this guy was a Muslim radical. An anti-American Mohammad
loving, towel headed freak. He followed a religion that advocates
killing non-Muslims, and he said that Muslim suicide bombers were
justified.
He was a loaner because he was a devout Moslem and 98% of the country
couldn't relate to him. Why he was a loaner at his Mosque indicates
his personality problem and the failure of his Mosque to get him
connected.
Sancho Panza
2009-11-09 17:14:44 UTC
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Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by The Wiz
Post by Bill Shatzer
Post by SMITH29
I suspect this will get R E A L lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
"Quiet loner".
Rather the standard after the fact description of folks who engage in
these types of shootings, quite regardless of their religion.
peace and justice,
Except that this guy was a Muslim radical. An anti-American Mohammad
loving, towel headed freak. He followed a religion that advocates
killing non-Muslims, and he said that Muslim suicide bombers were
justified.
He was a loaner because he was a devout Moslem and 98% of the country
couldn't relate to him. Why he was a loaner at his Mosque indicates
his personality problem and the failure of his Mosque to get him
connected.
Oh sure. Just look where he wanted to make his "connection":


"Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda
Army Major in Fort Hood Massacre Used 'Electronic Means' to Connect with
Terrorists
By RICHARD ESPOSITO, MATTHEW COLE and BRIAN ROSS
Nov. 9, 2009

278 comments

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik
Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda,
two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC
News.
Share
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan tried to make contact with people linked to al Qaeda.

It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one
of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the
officials said.

Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence
Committee, said that he requested the CIA and other intelligence agencies
brief the committee on what was known, if anything, about Hasan by the U.S.
intelligence community, only to be refused.

In response, Hoekstra issued a document preservation request to four
intelligence agencies. The letter, dated November 7th, was sent to directors
Dennis Blair (DNI), Robert Mueller (FBI), Lt. Gen Keith Alexander (NSA) and
Leon Panetta (CIA).

Hoekstra said he is "absolutely furious" that the house intel committee has
been refused an intelligence briefing by the DNI or CIA on Hasan's attempt
to reach out to al Qaeda, as first reported by ABC News.

"This is a law enforcement investigation, in which other agencies-not the
CIA-have the lead," CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said in a response to ABC
News. " Any suggestion that the CIA refused to brief Congress is incorrect."

Investigators want to know if Hasan maintained contact with a radical mosque
leader from Virginia, Anwar al Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen and runs a web
site that promotes jihad around the world against the U.S.

In a blog posting early Monday titled "Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing,"
Awlaki calls Hasan a "hero" and a "man of conscience who could not bear
living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is
fighting against his own people."

According to his site, Awlaki served as an imam in Denver, San Diego and
Falls Church, Virginia.

The Associated Press reported Sunday that Major Hasan attended the Falls
Church mosque when Awlaki was there.

The Telegraph of London reported that Awlaki had made contact with two of
the 9/11 hijackers when he was in San Diego.

He denied any knowledge of the hijacking plot and was never charged with any
crime. After an intensive investigation by the FBI , Awlaki moved to Yemen.

People who knew or worked with Hasan say he seemed to have gradually become
more radical in his disapproval of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

On Sunday, Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) called for an investigation into
whether the Army missed signs as to whether Hasan was an Islamic extremist.

"If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist
extremist, the U.S. Army has to have a zero tolerance," Lieberman told Fox
News Sunday.

A fellow Army doctor who studied with Hasan, Val Finell, told ABC News, "We
would frequently say he was a Muslim first and an American second. And that
came out in just about everything he did at the University."

Finell said he and other Army doctors complained to superiors about Hasan's
statements.

"And we questioned how somebody could take an oath of office.be an officer
in the military and swear allegiance to the constitution and to defend
America against all enemies, foreign and domestic and have that type of
conflict," Finell told ABC News.
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Yer Pal Al
2009-11-09 18:30:31 UTC
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Post by Sancho Panza
Post by Yer Pal Al
Post by The Wiz
Post by Bill Shatzer
I suspect this will get  R E A L  lame before it's over.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post
"Quiet loner".
Rather the standard after the fact description of folks who engage in
these types of shootings, quite regardless of their religion.
peace and justice,
Except that this guy was a Muslim radical. An anti-American Mohammad
loving, towel headed freak. He followed a religion that advocates
killing non-Muslims, and he said that Muslim suicide bombers were
justified.
He was a loaner because he was a devout Moslem and 98% of the country
couldn't relate to him. Why he was a loaner at his Mosque indicates
his personality problem and the failure of his Mosque to get him
connected.
Yea, I heard this this morning. However, what I meant by getting him
"connected" was to plug him into a group of friends that he could do
some non-bomb making stuff outside of the Mosque.

That he would be connected the radical Mosque in Virginia that
harbored 9/11 criminals and wasn't being watched closely is a failure
of the Moslem apologist's Barrack Hussein Obama's administration.
Post by Sancho Panza
"Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda
Army Major in Fort Hood Massacre Used 'Electronic Means' to Connect with
Terrorists
By RICHARD ESPOSITO, MATTHEW COLE and BRIAN ROSS
Nov. 9, 2009
278 comments
U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik
Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda,
two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC
News.
Share
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan tried to make contact with people linked to al Qaeda.
It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one
of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the
officials said.
Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence
Committee, said that he requested the CIA and other intelligence agencies
brief the committee on what was known, if anything, about Hasan by the U.S.
intelligence community, only to be refused.
In response, Hoekstra issued a document preservation request to four
intelligence agencies. The letter, dated November 7th, was sent to directors
Dennis Blair (DNI), Robert Mueller (FBI), Lt. Gen Keith Alexander (NSA) and
Leon Panetta (CIA).
Hoekstra said he is "absolutely furious" that the house intel committee has
been refused an intelligence briefing by the DNI or CIA on Hasan's attempt
to reach out to al Qaeda, as first reported by ABC News.
"This is a law enforcement investigation, in which other agencies-not the
CIA-have the lead," CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said in a response to ABC
News. " Any suggestion that the CIA refused to brief Congress is incorrect."
Investigators want to know if Hasan maintained contact with a radical mosque
leader from Virginia, Anwar al Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen and runs a web
site that promotes jihad around the world against the U.S.
In a blog posting early Monday titled "Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing,"
Awlaki calls Hasan a "hero" and a "man of conscience who could not bear
living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is
fighting against his own people."
According to his site, Awlaki served as an imam in Denver, San Diego and
Falls Church, Virginia.
The Associated Press reported Sunday that Major Hasan attended the Falls
Church mosque when Awlaki was there.
The Telegraph of London reported that Awlaki had made contact with two of
the 9/11 hijackers when he was in San Diego.
He denied any knowledge of the hijacking plot and was never charged with any
crime. After an intensive investigation by the FBI , Awlaki moved to Yemen.
People who knew or worked with Hasan say he seemed to have gradually become
more radical in his disapproval of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
On Sunday, Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) called for an investigation into
whether the Army missed signs as to whether Hasan was an Islamic extremist.
"If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist
extremist, the U.S. Army has to have a zero tolerance," Lieberman told Fox
News Sunday.
A fellow Army doctor who studied with Hasan, Val Finell, told ABC News, "We
would frequently say he was a Muslim first and an American second. And that
came out in just about everything he did at the University."
Finell said he and other Army doctors complained to superiors about Hasan's
statements.
"And we questioned how somebody could take an oath of office.be an officer
in the military and swear allegiance to the constitution and to defend
America against all enemies, foreign and domestic and have that type of
conflict," Finell told ABC News.
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2009-11-09 17:53:09 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:48:52 -0800 (PST), Yer Pal Al
He was a loaner...
Rank a bank, did he?

Are other bankers also Terrists?
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