Discussion:
No, I Will Not Vote For Donald J. Trump in a General Election
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Joe Cooper
2016-03-26 16:04:56 UTC
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I hammered John McCain and Mitt Romney so brutally during the GOP
primaries that I was blackballed from the 2008 and 2012 Republican
conventions in retaliation, but when the time came in the general
election, I did vote Republican. I will never be a fan of John McCain or
Mitt Romney, but I could at least embrace Reagan’s my “80 percent friend
is not my 20 percent enemy” mantra and support them.

I cannot say the same about Donald J. Trump.

He’s not a good man, a Christian or a conservative and he doesn’t care
about the Constitution, the country or as far I can tell, anything other
than making money and hearing his name repeated as often as possible. If
Matthew 7:16 is right and, “By their fruit you will recognize them,” what
fruits has Donald J. Trump borne into the conservative movement? He’s
managed to turn longtime allies against each other, good people are
approving of despicable behavior they would have unhesitatingly condemned
a year ago and the way he behaves is so childish and disgusting that 35%
of Republicans and Republican leaning independents want a third party if
he’s the nominee. Many Donald J. Trump fans assume these people who
detest him so much are “establishment” Republicans. While it’s true that
many members of the GOP establishment dislike Donald J. Trump (And
others, like Chris Christie, Rick Scott and Scott Brown have endorsed
him), the majority of people who oppose him are grassroots conservatives.
Donald J. Trump may have more backers than anyone else in a divided
field, but so far roughly two-thirds of Republicans have picked someone
other than him as their candidate.

I don’t insult people for supporting or endorsing Donald J. Trump, I
haven’t called for any blacklists, I’m not calling for the nomination to
be taken from him at the convention and I’m not encouraging anyone to
start a third party. In fact, I know there are many good conservatives
who support Donald J. Trump. Unfortunately, when a third of the
Republican Party rallies behind an unelectable, unstable, misogynistic,
authoritarian conman who says any stupid thing that comes into his head,
there is no escape for the rest of us from the ramifications of that
decision. Maybe there could have been, if another third of the party
didn’t just as stubbornly refuse to unite around Ted Cruz, the only
candidate who could have gotten more delegates than Donald J. Trump, but
it is what it is.

Barring a miracle – and I doubt if God is helping out a phony Christian
who says he’s never asked for forgiveness – Donald J. Trump is going to
lose the general election. I could give you a detailed explanation of why
that’s going to happen, but if you’ve taken the time to look at any
election data at all, you already know Donald J. Trump is highly likely
to be defeated. If you believe he’s going to win despite the overwhelming
evidence to the contrary, it’s certainly not logic or poll numbers that
are convincing you of it.

The reality is likely to be even worse than the current numbers because
there will be some Republicans actively campaigning against him and a
conservative third party campaign is a genuine possibility. Do you think
Donald J. Trump wins if a Republican like Tom Coburn runs third party? Do
you think he wins even though, Mitt Romney, our last presidential nominee
has publicly written that, "Through the calculated statements of its
leader, Trumpism has become associated with racism, misogyny, bigotry,
xenophobia, vulgarity and, most recently, threats and violence. I am
repulsed by each and every one of these." You can like Mitt or not (and I
don’t), but if you’re telling yourself that it won’t be incredibly
damaging in a general election that he has said that publicly about
Donald J. Trump, you’re kidding yourself.

Just to give you a little taste of how hopeless it would be if Trump is
our nominee, the last time Utah went for a Democratic president was in
1964. McCain won the state by 28, Romney won by 48 and Cruz is winning in
a head-to-head matchup with Hillary by 28 while Donald J. Trump ….is
losing 36/38. Yes, it’s one poll and yes, Donald J. Trump could still win
Utah, but when he’s struggling in a state that should be one of the
easiest gimmies in the general election, it suggests a level of potential
weakness approached by candidates like McGovern, Dukakis and Mondale. So,
you can say that the millions of Republicans who won’t vote for Donald J.
Trump in a general election are helping to elect Hillary, but the real
truth is that the people who are insisting on nominating Donald J. Trump
are the ones who are practically guaranteeing that Hillary Clinton will
be our next president.

It’s also fine to say, “We the people” want Donald J. Trump, but so far,
more of “We the people” don’t want him. Millions more of “We the People”
won’t be able to vote for him in a general election because we don’t
blindly love him to such an extent that we can overlook the fact that
he’s obviously unfit to be in the Oval Office. I can certainly understand
liking some of the things Trump has done and said, but I don’t get the
Reaganesque hero worship of a loud mouthed, cowardly braggart who has yet
to do anything to help the Republican Party, the conservative movement or
the country. At least Reagan earned his adulation by proving himself as a
principled conservative leader who turned out to be a strong governor and
one of the best American presidents in history.

On the other hand, Donald J. Trump is like a grown up version of King
Joffrey from “Game of Thrones.” He is like a mean-spirited parody of a
Republican on “Saturday Night Live” come to life. Donald J. Trump is a
walking, talking Internet meme who seems to be spouting off shallow
slogans half the time and lying the other half. He's also a creepy, thin
skinned authoritarian who has made it clear he cares nothing about free
speech for anyone but himself and has publicly encouraged political
violence at his rallies. Moreover, aside from some tough talk about
immigration, trade and unworkable, over-the-top attacks on Muslims, his
entire campaign has been centered on mean tweets, third grade insults and
campaign promises that sometimes change from day-to-day or even from
hour-to-hour. It’s difficult to know what Trump would really do if he
were in power. His real views could range anywhere from liberal to
conservative to South American dictator on just about any issue. So, if
you’re a conservative who believes in God, country and the Constitution,
how do you fall in line behind someone like that?

When I see the way Donald J. Trump’s campaign treated Michelle Fields,
when I see him falsely claiming that Cruz was behind an attack on his
wife, even as he threatens Cruz’s wife and attacks her looks, when I hear
him promising to force our soldiers to commit war crimes, mocking the
handicapped, smearing POWs and saying he may pay the bail of thugs who
assault people at his rallies while he bizarrely obsesses over Megyn
Kelly and his hand size, I can only conclude that he’s not a good man,
he’s not mentally stable and he’s not someone who should ever be trusted
with our military, the DOJ, the FBI, the DHS, and the IRS or nuclear
weapons.

At the end of the day, if the goal is to say “screw you” not just to the
establishment, but to millions of grassroots conservatives and committed
Christians, then it’s almost “mission accomplished” time. However, if the
goal is to beat Hillary Clinton, Donald J. Trump is not someone who can
make that happen. To do that, the Republican Party would need to unify
and that’s not possible with human poison like Donald J. Trump as the
nominee. If, as expected, Donald J. Trump becomes the GOP’s candidate,
the Republican Party will splinter, the GOP will be decimated down
ticket, and millions will leave the Republican Party, at least until its
infatuation with Hugo Chavez Jr has run its course. If Donald J. Trump is
the cure, the Republican Party would be better off with the disease.

Source: http://bit.ly/1RClt9t
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"It's ironic that Donald Trump, hailed as the anti-establishment savior,
has supported and funded establishment and liberal causes much of his
adult life, and to this day is getting less opposition from the
establishment than bad boy Ted Cruz."--David Limbaugh

"Never underestimate the willingness of white progressives to be offended
on behalf of people who aren’t and to impose their will on those who
didn’t ask for it." (Derek Hunter)

"No doubt Hillary would like to call [Paula] Jones a liar, but Bill paid
Jones $850,000 to settle her sexual harassment suit. Can you imagine the
fun Donald Trump, for one, would have with that? Plus, it was Bill
Clinton, not Paula Jones, who was found by the presiding federal judge to
have committed perjury."--John Hinderaker
Dänk 42Ø
2016-03-27 01:24:21 UTC
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Post by Joe Cooper
I hammered John McCain and Mitt Romney so brutally during the GOP
primaries that I was blackballed from the 2008 and 2012 Republican
conventions in retaliation, but when the time came in the general
election, I did vote Republican. I will never be a fan of John McCain or
Mitt Romney, but I could at least embrace Reagan’s my “80 percent friend
is not my 20 percent enemy” mantra and support them.
I cannot say the same about Donald J. Trump.
I think you can. Like leftists and Democrats, rightists will vote for
whatever candidate their Party gives them.

Oh, there will be a few of either who will say they will refuse to vote
if so-or-so is the nominee, but few of those will actually go through
with it, because by refusing to vote they are admitting that their Party
-- and thus their entire worldview -- is incorrect. The Party is
infallible. Devout Hillaristas threw her under the bus when the Party
gave them a Kool-Aid Kult leader, devout fundamentalists and
evangelicals threw their theological convictions under the bus when the
Party gave them a devil-worshiping Mormon.



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"In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and
you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make
that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it."
-- 1984
Truth and honesty
2016-03-27 07:33:52 UTC
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Post by Joe Cooper
However, if the
goal is to beat Hillary Clinton, Donald J. Trump is not someone who can
make that happen.
Well by not voting you make Hillary's job easier. What you have is a choice
between a liberal democrat or a liberal republican.
--
“Never be afraid to raise your voice for honesty and truth and compassion
against injustice and lying and greed. If people all over the world...would
do this, it would change the earth.”
― William Faulkner
Jack Holt
2016-03-27 10:03:33 UTC
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Post by Truth and honesty
Post by Joe Cooper
However, if the
goal is to beat Hillary Clinton, Donald J. Trump is not someone who can
make that happen.
Well by not voting you make Hillary's job easier. What you have is a choice
between a liberal democrat or a liberal republican.
What's the difference? We don't need another 4 years of Clinton
lies and incompetence. I'll take 4 years of laughing over that.
Post by Truth and honesty
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against injustice and lying and greed. If people all over the world...would
do this, it would change the earth.”
― William Faulkner
Siri Cruise
2016-03-27 10:55:34 UTC
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Post by Joe Cooper
However, if the
goal is to beat Hillary Clinton, Donald J. Trump is not someone who can
make that happen.
Well by not voting you make Hillary's job easier. What you have is a choice
between a liberal democrat or a liberal republican.
Alternatively instead of whining about the choices other people are offerring
you, you are free to construct your own choices.
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If you assume the final scene is a dying delusion as Tom Cruise drowns below
the Louvre, then Edge of Tomorrow has a happy ending. Kill Tom repeat..
Truth and honesty
2016-03-28 00:29:20 UTC
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Post by Truth and honesty
Post by Joe Cooper
However, if the
goal is to beat Hillary Clinton, Donald J. Trump is not someone who can
make that happen.
Well by not voting you make Hillary's job easier. What you have is a choice
between a liberal democrat or a liberal republican.
Alternatively instead of whining about the choices other people are offerring
you, you are free to construct your own choices.
Hillary would be very happy if some Republicans did run an alternative and
conversely the Republicans be happy if the Democrats did too.
--
“Never be afraid to raise your voice for honesty and truth and compassion
against injustice and lying and greed. If people all over the world...would
do this, it would change the earth.”
― William Faulkner
PaxPerPoten
2016-03-27 20:48:24 UTC
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Post by Joe Cooper
However, if the
goal is to beat Hillary Clinton, Donald J. Trump is not someone who can
make that happen.
http://www.anonews.co/hillary-clinton-exposed/
Post by Truth and honesty
Well by not voting you make Hillary's job easier. What you have is a choice
between a liberal democrat or a liberal republican.
http://www.anonews.co/hillary-clinton-exposed/
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the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
Bert
2016-03-30 17:13:25 UTC
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Post by Truth and honesty
Well by not voting you make Hillary's job easier. What you have is a
choice between a liberal democrat or a liberal republican.
Actually, the choice could be between Clinton, a statist Democrat, and
Trump, a psychotic individual who has supported Democrats in the past.
--
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Wayne
2016-03-30 18:27:05 UTC
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Post by Bert
Post by Truth and honesty
Well by not voting you make Hillary's job easier. What you have is a
choice between a liberal democrat or a liberal republican.
Actually, the choice could be between Clinton, a statist Democrat, and
Trump, a psychotic individual who has supported Democrats in the past.
And the obvious choice in that case is Trump, for the sole reason that he
isn't Hillary.
Governor Swill
2016-03-31 06:21:59 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Post by Bert
Post by Truth and honesty
Well by not voting you make Hillary's job easier. What you have is a
choice between a liberal democrat or a liberal republican.
Actually, the choice could be between Clinton, a statist Democrat, and
Trump, a psychotic individual who has supported Democrats in the past.
And the obvious choice in that case is Trump, for the sole reason that he
isn't Hillary.
Clinton is a known. She can be fought, she can be dealt with.

Trump is an unknown, an asshole klown who changes his position faster
than he changes his socks.

He says women should be punished for getting abortions. His team had
to issue two separate press releases, the second being a straight up
retraction because his comments pissed off pro choice and pro life
advocates.

The days when being white and having testicles was enough to guarantee
you the good life are GONE and they are never coming back. You guys
got to compete on a level playing field now. Non whites and folks
without testicles can and are doing the same work you've been doing
for less money and your boss is hiring them as fast as he can.

Deal with it. Nobody likes a crybaby.

Swill
--
So if you are thinking of voting for Donald Trump,
the charismatic guy promising to ‘Make America Great
Again,’ stop and take a moment to imagine how you
would feel if you just met a guy named Donald Drumpf:
a litigious, serial liar with a string of broken business
ventures and the support of a former Klan leader who
he can’t decide whether or not to condemn.
Would you think he would make a good president,
or is the spell now somewhat broken? - John Oliver
Siri Cruise
2016-03-31 08:19:08 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
for less money and your boss is hiring them as fast as he can.
Programmers don't work for money. We just use it to keep score. Like Monopoly.
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'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
If you assume the final scene is a dying delusion as Tom Cruise drowns below
the Louvre, then Edge of Tomorrow has a happy ending. Kill Tom repeat..
Wayne
2016-03-31 17:11:44 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Post by Bert
Post by Truth and honesty
Well by not voting you make Hillary's job easier. What you have is a
choice between a liberal democrat or a liberal republican.
Actually, the choice could be between Clinton, a statist Democrat, and
Trump, a psychotic individual who has supported Democrats in the past.
And the obvious choice in that case is Trump, for the sole reason that he
isn't Hillary.
# Clinton is a known. She can be fought, she can be dealt with.

She absolutely is a known. Someone who has complete disregard for law. And
she cannot be dealt with if elected. Most likely democrat power in the
house and senate will increase because of block voting.
And the country will never, ever recover from her supreme court
appointments.

# Trump is an unknown, an asshole klown who changes his position faster
# than he changes his socks.

But he's the one who can be dealt with.

# He says women should be punished for getting abortions. His team had
# to issue two separate press releases, the second being a straight up
# retraction because his comments pissed off pro choice and pro life
# advocates.

Yep, he stepped in that one, but had the sense to change his position.

# The days when being white and having testicles was enough to guarantee
# you the good life are GONE and they are never coming back. You guys
# got to compete on a level playing field now. Non whites and folks
# without testicles can and are doing the same work you've been doing
# for less money and your boss is hiring them as fast as he can.

Where the hell did that come from? In my working career I never saw a woman
unjustly limited at work. In fact, for PC reasons I saw women getting
preferential treatment.

You just can't say that a woman who (for valid family reasons) punches out
at 5 PM every day, won't work weekends, and won't travel, is as valuable as
an equally qualified man who will go the extra mile.

# Deal with it. Nobody likes a crybaby.

Even more true is that nobody likes a cry bully. You know the type.....take
a non PC position on any subject and the cry bullies will gang up, get you
fired, smear your reputation and burn your house down.
Governor Swill
2016-04-01 04:06:54 UTC
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Post by Wayne
She absolutely is a known. Someone who has complete disregard for law. And
she cannot be dealt with if elected.
So that's why you fear her. You know the GOP can't control her even
with the majority in both Houses. Republicans are weak ninnies who
can't even get their priorities through Congress when they own both
Houses, the Executive and half the Scotus.

Why would anybody vote for such incompetents?

Swill
--
So if you are thinking of voting for Donald Trump,
the charismatic guy promising to ‘Make America Great
Again,’ stop and take a moment to imagine how you
would feel if you just met a guy named Donald Drumpf:
a litigious, serial liar with a string of broken business
ventures and the support of a former Klan leader who
he can’t decide whether or not to condemn.
Would you think he would make a good president,
or is the spell now somewhat broken? - John Oliver
Wayne
2016-04-01 14:39:33 UTC
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Post by Wayne
She absolutely is a known. Someone who has complete disregard for law.
And
she cannot be dealt with if elected.
So that's why you fear her. You know the GOP can't control her even
with the majority in both Houses.
Yes that is true. She will behave according to the illegal template given
her by Barack Hisself Obama.
You know how it goes. Don't like a law, then write an executive order
negating it and instruct your DOJ to not enforce the law.
Governor Swill
2016-04-03 04:08:41 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Wayne
She absolutely is a known. Someone who has complete disregard for law.
And
she cannot be dealt with if elected.
So that's why you fear her. You know the GOP can't control her even
with the majority in both Houses.
Yes that is true. She will behave according to the illegal template given
her by Barack Hisself Obama.
You know how it goes. Don't like a law, then write an executive order
negating it and instruct your DOJ to not enforce the law.
They have that in common with Dubya.

Swill
--
So if you are thinking of voting for Donald Trump,
the charismatic guy promising to ‘Make America Great
Again,’ stop and take a moment to imagine how you
would feel if you just met a guy named Donald Drumpf:
a litigious, serial liar with a string of broken business
ventures and the support of a former Klan leader who
he can’t decide whether or not to condemn.
Would you think he would make a good president,
or is the spell now somewhat broken? - John Oliver
Wayne
2016-04-03 16:46:08 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Wayne
She absolutely is a known. Someone who has complete disregard for law.
And
she cannot be dealt with if elected.
So that's why you fear her. You know the GOP can't control her even
with the majority in both Houses.
Yes that is true. She will behave according to the illegal template given
her by Barack Hisself Obama.
You know how it goes. Don't like a law, then write an executive order
negating it and instruct your DOJ to not enforce the law.
# They have that in common with Dubya.

Perhaps, but I'm not sure what you are referring to.

Hisself has taken executive orders to an art form. Just instruct the DOJ to
ignore it, and do whatever the hell you want to do.
Nate
2016-04-03 22:13:23 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Wayne
She absolutely is a known. Someone who has complete disregard for law.
And
she cannot be dealt with if elected.
So that's why you fear her. You know the GOP can't control her even
with the majority in both Houses.
Yes that is true. She will behave according to the illegal template given
her by Barack Hisself Obama.
You know how it goes. Don't like a law, then write an executive order
negating it and instruct your DOJ to not enforce the law.
# They have that in common with William Jefferson "Perjuror" Clinton.
Fixed that for you.
Perhaps, but I'm not sure what you are referring to.
Hisself has taken executive orders to an art form. Just instruct the DOJ to
ignore it, and do whatever the hell you want to do.
A gutless Congress has allowed him to do it for fear of being
called racists by a rapidly self-bankrupting media.

We all know the media is lying like shit in a gutter.
Rita
2016-04-03 22:27:57 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Wayne
She absolutely is a known. Someone who has complete disregard for law.
And
she cannot be dealt with if elected.
So that's why you fear her. You know the GOP can't control her even
with the majority in both Houses.
Yes that is true. She will behave according to the illegal template given
her by Barack Hisself Obama.
You know how it goes. Don't like a law, then write an executive order
negating it and instruct your DOJ to not enforce the law.
# They have that in common with William Jefferson "Perjuror" Clinton.
Fixed that for you.
Perhaps, but I'm not sure what you are referring to.
Hisself has taken executive orders to an art form. Just instruct the DOJ to
ignore it, and do whatever the hell you want to do.
A gutless Congress has allowed him to do it for fear of being
called racists by a rapidly self-bankrupting media.
We all know the media, primarily fox, is lying like shit in a gutter.
Fixed that for ya.
Wayne
2016-04-04 00:14:45 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Wayne
She absolutely is a known. Someone who has complete disregard for law.
And
she cannot be dealt with if elected.
So that's why you fear her. You know the GOP can't control her even
with the majority in both Houses.
Yes that is true. She will behave according to the illegal template given
her by Barack Hisself Obama.
You know how it goes. Don't like a law, then write an executive order
negating it and instruct your DOJ to not enforce the law.
# They have that in common with William Jefferson "Perjuror" Clinton.
# Fixed that for you.
Perhaps, but I'm not sure what you are referring to.
Hisself has taken executive orders to an art form. Just instruct the DOJ to
ignore it, and do whatever the hell you want to do.
# A gutless Congress has allowed him to do it for fear of being
# called racists by a rapidly self-bankrupting media.

# We all know the media is lying like shit in a gutter.

I have no idea what congress was doing while Obama pulled his lawless
executive orders.
We have ended up with the law saying one thing, but another set of
"guidelines" being followed by DOJ etc.
That is an entirely fucked up government.
Governor Swill
2016-04-04 03:39:55 UTC
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Post by Wayne
I have no idea what congress was doing while Obama pulled his lawless
executive orders.
We have ended up with the law saying one thing, but another set of
"guidelines" being followed by DOJ etc.
That is an entirely fucked up government.
And we have Republicans to blame. Had they governed instead of
continually throwing temper tantrums, they would have had input and
prevented such orders from being signed.

But in refusing to address issues, they forced his hand and now we've
got an even bigger pile of shit in Washington that threatens to erode
the Constitution into uselessness.

Swill
--
So if you are thinking of voting for Donald Trump,
the charismatic guy promising to ‘Make America Great
Again,’ stop and take a moment to imagine how you
would feel if you just met a guy named Donald Drumpf:
a litigious, serial liar with a string of broken business
ventures and the support of a former Klan leader who
he can’t decide whether or not to condemn.
Would you think he would make a good president,
or is the spell now somewhat broken? - John Oliver
Wayne
2016-04-04 17:02:24 UTC
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Post by Wayne
I have no idea what congress was doing while Obama pulled his lawless
executive orders.
We have ended up with the law saying one thing, but another set of
"guidelines" being followed by DOJ etc.
That is an entirely fucked up government.
And we have Republicans to blame. Had they governed instead of
continually throwing temper tantrums, they would have had input and
prevented such orders from being signed.
But in refusing to address issues, they forced his hand and now we've
got an even bigger pile of shit in Washington that threatens to erode
the Constitution into uselessness.
What erodes the Constitution is ignoring it as per Obama.

So you approve of a president circumventing the actions of congress. If
they won't do what he wants, then EOs are fine?

Without overreaching EOs, the government would work exactly the way it is
supposed to.
Governor Swill
2016-04-05 04:59:15 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Wayne
I have no idea what congress was doing while Obama pulled his lawless
executive orders.
We have ended up with the law saying one thing, but another set of
"guidelines" being followed by DOJ etc.
That is an entirely fucked up government.
And we have Republicans to blame. Had they governed instead of
continually throwing temper tantrums, they would have had input and
prevented such orders from being signed.
But in refusing to address issues, they forced his hand and now we've
got an even bigger pile of shit in Washington that threatens to erode
the Constitution into uselessness.
What erodes the Constitution is ignoring it as per Obama.
So you approve of a president circumventing the actions of congress. If
they won't do what he wants, then EOs are fine?
Without overreaching EOs, the government would work exactly the way it is
supposed to.
If Congress had been doing its job of governing, those XOs would never
have been issued.

Had the Republicans actively worked with the Dems to create
comprehensive health care reform, we wouldn't have Obamacare.
If they had worked with Dems to create comprehensive immigration
reform specifically designed to reduce illegal immigration, we
wouldn't have the II issues we have today.

The list of important national issues the GOP has ignored for the last
twenty years have driven Obama to attempt to govern by XO simply
because the Congress refused to govern at all.

The biggest data leak in history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers
https://panamapapers.icij.org/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-panama-tax-idUSKCN0X10C2
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-panama-papers
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-35918844

Swill
--
So if you are thinking of voting for Donald Trump,
the charismatic guy promising to ‘Make America Great
Again,’ stop and take a moment to imagine how you
would feel if you just met a guy named Donald Drumpf:
a litigious, serial liar with a string of broken business
ventures and the support of a former Klan leader who
he can’t decide whether or not to condemn.
Would you think he would make a good president,
or is the spell now somewhat broken? - John Oliver
Wayne
2016-04-05 21:26:32 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Wayne
I have no idea what congress was doing while Obama pulled his lawless
executive orders.
We have ended up with the law saying one thing, but another set of
"guidelines" being followed by DOJ etc.
That is an entirely fucked up government.
And we have Republicans to blame. Had they governed instead of
continually throwing temper tantrums, they would have had input and
prevented such orders from being signed.
But in refusing to address issues, they forced his hand and now we've
got an even bigger pile of shit in Washington that threatens to erode
the Constitution into uselessness.
What erodes the Constitution is ignoring it as per Obama.
So you approve of a president circumventing the actions of congress. If
they won't do what he wants, then EOs are fine?
Without overreaching EOs, the government would work exactly the way it is
supposed to.
# If Congress had been doing its job of governing, those XOs would never
# have been issued.

# Had the Republicans actively worked with the Dems to create
# comprehensive health care reform, we wouldn't have Obamacare.
# If they had worked with Dems to create comprehensive immigration
# reform specifically designed to reduce illegal immigration, we
# wouldn't have the II issues we have today.

# The list of important national issues the GOP has ignored for the last
# twenty years have driven Obama to attempt to govern by XO simply
# because the Congress refused to govern at all.

I find that response to be incredibly off the mark.

You have presupposed that Obama is right and republicans are wrong.
Republicans can claim that Obama is an out of control, non-compromising
obstructionist.
And you use Obama's arrogance as justification for his XOs.

The system is working the way it is supposed to, with checks and balances.
Governor Swill
2016-04-04 03:37:38 UTC
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Post by Wayne
Yes that is true. She will behave according to the illegal template given
her by Barack Hisself Obama.
You know how it goes. Don't like a law, then write an executive order
negating it and instruct your DOJ to not enforce the law.
# They have that in common with Dubya.
Perhaps, but I'm not sure what you are referring to.
Then you shouldn't have replied except to request clarification.
Post by Wayne
Hisself has taken executive orders to an art form. Just instruct the DOJ to
ignore it, and do whatever the hell you want to do.
Ah! So then you DO know what I was referring to.

Swill
--
So if you are thinking of voting for Donald Trump,
the charismatic guy promising to ‘Make America Great
Again,’ stop and take a moment to imagine how you
would feel if you just met a guy named Donald Drumpf:
a litigious, serial liar with a string of broken business
ventures and the support of a former Klan leader who
he can’t decide whether or not to condemn.
Would you think he would make a good president,
or is the spell now somewhat broken? - John Oliver
bookoflife.org
2016-03-31 18:25:47 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Wayne
Post by Bert
Post by Truth and honesty
Well by not voting you make Hillary's job easier. What you have is a
choice between a liberal democrat or a liberal republican.
Actually, the choice could be between Clinton, a statist Democrat, and
Trump, a psychotic individual who has supported Democrats in the past.
And the obvious choice in that case is Trump, for the sole reason that he
isn't Hillary.
Clinton is a known.
learn to speak ennnngwwwiiish Murther fucker, do you know it , how to write it?

fucking illegal baby raper.
bookoflife.org
2016-03-30 18:09:38 UTC
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On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 9:08:09 AM UTC-7, Joe Cooper wrote:


ur a fucking illegal alien, get the FUCK out of here arab ISIS bithc.
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