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Bush administration gives $40 billion Air Force contract to Airbus
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R***@remailer.metacolo.com
2008-03-01 05:15:03 UTC
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Middle Class Warrior
2008-03-01 07:09:37 UTC
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This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We
outsourced all of factories and workers.
--
McCain on the Iraq War
* McCain said winning the war would be “easy.” “I know that as
successful as I believe we will be, and I believe that the success will
be fairly easy, we will still lose some American young men or women.”
[CNN, 9/24/02]
* At the 2004 Republican National Convention, McCain, focusing on the
war in Iraq, said that while weapons of mass destruction were not found,
Saddam once had them and “he would have acquired them again.”
* "Make it a hundred" years in Iraq and "that would be fine with me."
[Derry, New Hampshire Town Hall meeting, 1/3/08]
* "Only the most deluded of us could doubt the necessity of this war."
* McCain on how long troops may remain in Iraq: “A thousand years. A
million years. Ten million years. It depends on the arrangement we have
with the Iraqi government.” [Associated Press, 1/04/08]
McCain on Bush tax cuts
* "I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of
the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle
class Americans who most need tax relief (2001)."
* "But when you look at the percentage of the tax cuts that—as the
previous tax cuts—that go to the wealthiest Americans, you will find
that the bulk of it, again, goes to wealthiest Americans. … A lot of
Americans now are paying a very large a—low and middle-income Americans
are paying a significantly larger amount of their income in taxes. I’d
like to see them get the bulk of the relief (2003)."
* Promised to make the same Bush tax cuts he once opposed permanent
(2008).
McCain on Healthcare
* John McCain supported President Bush's veto of health care for 10
million children.
McCain on evolution
* "I believe in evolution."
McCain on Iran
* "My greatest fear is the Iranians acquire a nuclear weapon and give it
to a terrorist organization. And there is a real threat of them doing
that."
McCain on Chairman Mao
* "Remember the words of Chairman Mao: 'It's always darkest before it's
totally black."
McCain of Family Values
* "My marriage's collapse was attributable to my own selfishness and
immaturity more than it was to Vietnam, and I cannot escape blame by
pointing a finger at the war. The blame was entirely mine."
MCCain on the Keating 5 scandal
* "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group
of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it
conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the
wrong thing to do."
McCain on torture
* "Waterboarding is a form of torture no matter how it is done and
should be a prohibited among U.S. military interrogation practices . . ."
McCain on economics
* "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do
about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated."
McCain on the Clintons
* "Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her
father."
McCain on immigration reform
* "F**k you! I know more about this than anyone else in the room."
Rush Limbaugh on John McCain
* If I really wanted to torpedo McCain, I would endorse him, because
that would send the independents and liberals that are going to vote for
him running away faster than anything. . . .
Ann Coulter on John McCain
* McCain steamrolled the Republican Senate into adopting yet more
federal restrictions on gun ownership in the juvenile justice bill.
* She'd campaign for Clinton, stating "I think she's stronger on the
war on terrorism." Coulter expressed her opinion that Clinton is much
more conservative than McCain . . .
*"She's smarter than John McCain."
McCain on Aging
* "I'm older than dirt, I've got more scars than Frankenstein, but I've
learned a few things along the way."
McCain on the Estate tax
* "I am concerned that repeal of the estate tax would provide massive
benefits solely to the wealthiest and highest-income taxpayers in the
country. A Treasury Department study found that almost no estate tax has
been paid by lower- and middle-income taxpayers. But taxes have been
paid on the estates of people who were in the highest 20% of the income
distribution at the time of their death. It found that
91% of all estate taxes are paid by the estates of people whose annual
income exceeded $190,000 around the time of their death."
Cindy McCain on political payback
* "Cindy recently admitted that she keeps a “grudge list".
Salad
2008-03-01 07:41:44 UTC
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This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We
outsourced all of factories and workers.
Freedom fries, my ass...you Republican dupes.

Well, it does make sense we'd give the contract to some foreign county.
We owe everybody. So we do some trading to keep our creditors happy.
DeserTBoB
2008-03-01 08:26:20 UTC
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This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We
outsourced all of factories and workers. <snip>
Now watch Boeing start leaking info about those phonied-up B767s that
flew into the WTC towers. The conspiracy nutters will be frothing for
months!

The Bushies are basically saying it's OK to shut down US-based
military hardware plants and "offshore" the production, by using
big-time GOP contributor Northrop-Grumman as a "shell US company." The
planes will be built in France. This is political favoritism to
Sarkozy and to France for electing a righttard. Bush wanted to get it
in the mill before any chance that Hillary could stop it. Obama's
completely clueless on the issue, so no threat there.
Salad
2008-03-01 13:38:02 UTC
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On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 07:09:37 GMT, Middle Class Warrior
Post by Middle Class Warrior
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This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We
outsourced all of factories and workers. <snip>
Now watch Boeing start leaking info about those phonied-up B767s that
flew into the WTC towers. The conspiracy nutters will be frothing for
months!
The Bushies are basically saying it's OK to shut down US-based
military hardware plants and "offshore" the production, by using
big-time GOP contributor Northrop-Grumman as a "shell US company." The
planes will be built in France.
While chomping on a freedom fry, I have to wonder about your statement.
I thought they were going to be made in Mobile, AL.

This is political favoritism to
Post by DeserTBoB
Sarkozy and to France for electing a righttard.
Maybe they had better specs than Boeing's specs.

Bush wanted to get it
Post by DeserTBoB
in the mill before any chance that Hillary could stop it. Obama's
completely clueless on the issue, so no threat there.
I don't think bush had much to do with this. This might be more like a
Toyota thing...or maybe a union thing.
R***@remailer.metacolo.com
2008-03-01 16:00:03 UTC
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Post by DeserTBoB
On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 07:09:37 GMT, Middle Class Warrior
Post by Middle Class Warrior
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This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We
outsourced all of factories and workers. <snip>
The Bushies are basically saying it's OK to shut down US-based
military hardware plants and "offshore" the production, by using
big-time GOP contributor Northrop-Grumman as a "shell US company." The
planes will be built in France.
While chomping on a freedom fry, I have to wonder about your statement.
I thought they were going to be made in Mobile, AL.
No, they're going to be MADE in Toulouse.
Mobile will be a 'completion center'.
You've been diddled by Dubbya once again.
Post by Salad
This is political favoritism to
Post by DeserTBoB
Sarkozy and to France for electing a righttard.
Maybe they had better specs than Boeing's specs.
They did.
Airbus has taken the lead in aircraft quality.
This contract will help to ensure that Airbus KEEPS that lead.
Post by Salad
I don't think bush had much to do with this. This might be more like a
Toyota thing...or maybe a union thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
'It's all Clinton's fault!'

That's not working anymore.
Governor Swill
2008-03-02 06:16:15 UTC
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Post by Middle Class Warrior
This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We
outsourced all of factories and workers. <snip>
Now watch Boeing start leaking info about those phonied-up B767s that
flew into the WTC towers. The conspiracy nutters will be frothing for
months!
The Bushies are basically saying it's OK to shut down US-based
military hardware plants and "offshore" the production, by using
big-time GOP contributor Northrop-Grumman as a "shell US company." The
planes will be built in France. This is political favoritism to
Sarkozy and to France for electing a righttard. Bush wanted to get it
in the mill before any chance that Hillary could stop it. Obama's
completely clueless on the issue, so no threat there.
Your wrongness is almost complete. Construction will be roughly 50/50
between the US and Europe. Is Northrop involved in the design or
manufacture of those Boeing planes? As far as political favoritism,
it may well be a nod to France, but less for electing a conservative
than for electing a leader who understands that trying to minimize US
influence in world affairs is a failure in the making for European
security.

Swill
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Fafnir
2008-03-02 18:45:27 UTC
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Your wrongness is almost complete. Construction will be roughly 50/50
between the US and Europe.
You made that up, right?

Otherwise, you'd have provided a cite.

The nose of the airplane will be made by Airbus in France.

The wings will be made by Airbus in the UK.

The fuselage will be made by Airbus in Germany.

Spin 'til you're dizzy, those jobs are going to Europe, not to the USA.

We can only hope that the next Administration will overturn this decision.

And that's why we have to ensure that the next Administration is not Republican.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200803011545DOWJONESDJONLINE000448_FORTUNE5.htm
John Galt
2008-03-01 12:57:33 UTC
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This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We outsourced
all of factories and workers.
They didn't give the contract to Airbus. They gave it to Northrup. EADS is a
subcontractor to Northrup, and will build the planes in Mobile.

JG
--
McCain on the Iraq War
* McCain said winning the war would be “easy.” “I know that as
successful as I believe we will be, and I believe that the success will be
fairly easy, we will still lose some American young men or women.” [CNN,
9/24/02]
* At the 2004 Republican National Convention, McCain, focusing on the
war in Iraq, said that while weapons of mass destruction were not found,
Saddam once had them and “he would have acquired them again.”
* "Make it a hundred" years in Iraq and "that would be fine with me."
[Derry, New Hampshire Town Hall meeting, 1/3/08]
* "Only the most deluded of us could doubt the necessity of this war."
* McCain on how long troops may remain in Iraq: “A thousand years. A
million years. Ten million years. It depends on the arrangement we have
with the Iraqi government.” [Associated Press, 1/04/08]
McCain on Bush tax cuts
* "I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the
benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle class
Americans who most need tax relief (2001)."
* "But when you look at the percentage of the tax cuts that—as the
previous tax cuts—that go to the wealthiest Americans, you will find that
the bulk of it, again, goes to wealthiest Americans. … A lot of Americans
now are paying a very large a—low and middle-income Americans are paying a
significantly larger amount of their income in taxes. I’d like to see them
get the bulk of the relief (2003)."
* Promised to make the same Bush tax cuts he once opposed permanent
(2008).
McCain on Healthcare
* John McCain supported President Bush's veto of health care for 10
million children.
McCain on evolution
* "I believe in evolution."
McCain on Iran
* "My greatest fear is the Iranians acquire a nuclear weapon and give it
to a terrorist organization. And there is a real threat of them doing
that."
McCain on Chairman Mao
* "Remember the words of Chairman Mao: 'It's always darkest before it's
totally black."
McCain of Family Values
* "My marriage's collapse was attributable to my own selfishness and
immaturity more than it was to Vietnam, and I cannot escape blame by
pointing a finger at the war. The blame was entirely mine."
MCCain on the Keating 5 scandal
* "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of
senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it
conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the
wrong thing to do."
McCain on torture
* "Waterboarding is a form of torture no matter how it is done and should
be a prohibited among U.S. military interrogation practices . . ."
McCain on economics
* "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do
about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated."
McCain on the Clintons
* "Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her
father."
McCain on immigration reform
* "F**k you! I know more about this than anyone else in the room."
Rush Limbaugh on John McCain
* If I really wanted to torpedo McCain, I would endorse him, because that
would send the independents and liberals that are going to vote for him
running away faster than anything. . . .
Ann Coulter on John McCain
* McCain steamrolled the Republican Senate into adopting yet more federal
restrictions on gun ownership in the juvenile justice bill.
* She'd campaign for Clinton, stating "I think she's stronger on the war
on terrorism." Coulter expressed her opinion that Clinton is much more
conservative than McCain . . .
*"She's smarter than John McCain."
McCain on Aging
* "I'm older than dirt, I've got more scars than Frankenstein, but I've
learned a few things along the way."
McCain on the Estate tax
* "I am concerned that repeal of the estate tax would provide massive
benefits solely to the wealthiest and highest-income taxpayers in the
country. A Treasury Department study found that almost no estate tax has
been paid by lower- and middle-income taxpayers. But taxes have been paid
on the estates of people who were in the highest 20% of the income
distribution at the time of their death. It found that
91% of all estate taxes are paid by the estates of people whose annual
income exceeded $190,000 around the time of their death."
Cindy McCain on political payback
* "Cindy recently admitted that she keeps a “grudge list".
Nebuchadnezzar II
2008-03-01 13:32:32 UTC
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This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We outsourced
all of factories and workers.
They didn't give the contract to Airbus. They gave it to Northrup. EADS is
a subcontractor to Northrup, and will build the planes in Mobile.
The plane it's based on is the Airbus A330-200, so Airbus got the contract
by proxy. The planes will be turned into tankers in AL, but all of the
parts which make up the basic airframe are pure European.
John Galt
2008-03-01 14:15:41 UTC
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This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We
outsourced all of factories and workers.
They didn't give the contract to Airbus. They gave it to Northrup. EADS
is a subcontractor to Northrup, and will build the planes in Mobile.
The plane it's based on is the Airbus A330-200, so Airbus got the contract
by proxy. The planes will be turned into tankers in AL, but all of the
parts which make up the basic airframe are pure European.
Right. That's a far cry from "Airbus got the contract."

Its best to be accurate.

JG
Fafnir
2008-03-01 19:59:06 UTC
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This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We
outsourced all of factories and workers.
They didn't give the contract to Airbus. They gave it to Northrup. EADS
is a subcontractor to Northrup, and will build the planes in Mobile.
The plane it's based on is the Airbus A330-200, so Airbus got the contract
by proxy. The planes will be turned into tankers in AL, but all of the
parts which make up the basic airframe are pure European.
Right. That's a far cry from "Airbus got the contract."
Its best to be accurate.
OK.

Airbus wins.

Boeing loses.

Is that simple enough for you to understand?


In Paris, EADS CEO Louis Gallois described the deal as a "fabulous victory."

"We are very proud to have won a victory on the American market over Boeing," Gallois told France Info radio on Saturday.

The award comes as a heavy blow to the US aviation giant, which has long had an edge over its competitors in procuring military contracts. Bloomberg News reported that an analyst survey had unanimously picked Boeing to win the contract.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3160759,00.html
John Galt
2008-03-02 01:34:02 UTC
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This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We
outsourced all of factories and workers.
They didn't give the contract to Airbus. They gave it to Northrup. EADS
is a subcontractor to Northrup, and will build the planes in Mobile.
The plane it's based on is the Airbus A330-200, so Airbus got the contract
by proxy. The planes will be turned into tankers in AL, but all of the
parts which make up the basic airframe are pure European.
Right. That's a far cry from "Airbus got the contract."
Its best to be accurate.
OK.
Airbus wins.
Northrup wins. Airbus is a sub.

JG
Post by Fafnir
Boeing loses.
Is that simple enough for you to understand?
In Paris, EADS CEO Louis Gallois described the deal as a "fabulous victory."
"We are very proud to have won a victory on the American market over
Boeing," Gallois told France Info radio on Saturday.
The award comes as a heavy blow to the US aviation giant, which has long
had an edge over its competitors in procuring military contracts.
Bloomberg News reported that an analyst survey had unanimously picked
Boeing to win the contract.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3160759,00.html
Nebuchadnezzar II
2008-03-01 20:16:15 UTC
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This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We
outsourced all of factories and workers.
They didn't give the contract to Airbus. They gave it to Northrup. EADS
is a subcontractor to Northrup, and will build the planes in Mobile.
The plane it's based on is the Airbus A330-200, so Airbus got the
contract by proxy. The planes will be turned into tankers in AL, but all
of the parts which make up the basic airframe are pure European.
Right. That's a far cry from "Airbus got the contract."
Its best to be accurate.
I didn't say that in the first place, but if you must win your points on
pure semantics rather than substance, be my guest. The contract was awarded
jointly to EADS and Northrup Grumman. EADS owns Airbus and Airbus is
obviously the division that will be providing the lion's share of the
contract. The basic airframe is at least 90% of the equation. The airframe
gets fitted with a tank and a delivery system. It's rather like putting a
topper on a pickup truck and you're saying the company that puts the topper
on, "got the contract". EADS isn't a "subcontractor" to Northrup. If
anything, it's the other way around. So if you really believe "Its(sic)
best to be accurate", perhaps you should get your own facts straight first.

If you want to be accurate, it's more accurate to say Airbus won and Boeing
lost, and Boeing actually lost twice because not only will the troubled 767
platform not be used, Boeing won't be outfitting them into tankers either.
However Boeing retains appeal rights which I'm pretty sure they are going to
exercise if for no other reason than to delay the process and extend their
support of the aging tanker fleet. So it's really more of a case of losing
a battle rather than losing the war.
John Galt
2008-03-02 01:40:42 UTC
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This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We
outsourced all of factories and workers.
They didn't give the contract to Airbus. They gave it to Northrup. EADS
is a subcontractor to Northrup, and will build the planes in Mobile.
The plane it's based on is the Airbus A330-200, so Airbus got the
contract by proxy. The planes will be turned into tankers in AL, but
all of the parts which make up the basic airframe are pure European.
Right. That's a far cry from "Airbus got the contract."
Its best to be accurate.
I didn't say that in the first place, but if you must win your points on
pure semantics rather than substance, be my guest. The contract was
awarded jointly to EADS and Northrup Grumman. EADS owns Airbus and Airbus
is obviously the division that will be providing the lion's share of the
contract. The basic airframe is at least 90% of the equation. The
airframe gets fitted with a tank and a delivery system. It's rather like
putting a topper on a pickup truck and you're saying the company that puts
the topper on, "got the contract". EADS isn't a "subcontractor" to
Northrup. If anything, it's the other way around. So if you really
believe "Its(sic) best to be accurate", perhaps you should get your own
facts straight first.
The facts are straight, thanks. Any statement that indicates that Airbus won
a contract on which they bid is simply false.

The public discourse is never advanced by inaccurate characterizations.
Ripping about saying "Airbus won" is simply a way to whip up strong
jingoistic emotions -- and strong emotions are always the enemy of reason.
Post by Nebuchadnezzar II
If you want to be accurate, it's more accurate to say Airbus won and
Boeing lost, and Boeing actually lost twice because not only will the
troubled 767 platform not be used, Boeing won't be outfitting them into
tankers either. However Boeing retains appeal rights which I'm pretty sure
they are going to exercise if for no other reason than to delay the
process and extend their support of the aging tanker fleet. So it's
really more of a case of losing a battle rather than losing the war.
Always true, in these matters.

JG
Fafnir
2008-03-02 11:10:32 UTC
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The facts are straight, thanks. Any statement that indicates that Airbus won
a contract on which they bid is simply false.
That is, of course, the Bush administration spin.

The nose of the airplane will be made by Airbus in France.

The wings will be made by Airbus in the UK.

The fuselage will be made by Airbus in Germany.

Spin 'til you're dizzy, those jobs are going to Europe, not to the USA.

Your redefinition of 'won' is irrelevant.
EADS' definition is spot on.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200803011545DOWJONESDJONLINE000448_FORTUNE5.htm
EADS Hails Its Multibillion-Dollar US Military Contract Win
Dow Jones
March 01, 2008: 03:45 PM EST

PARIS (AP)--European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. (EADSY) on Saturday hailed its victory over arch-rival Boeing (BA) to secure a multibillion-dollar U.S. military contract and bounce back from setbacks that led to major company restructuring.

EADS, the maker of Airbus planes, and its U.S. partner, Los Angeles-based Northrop Grumman (NOC), won one of the biggest Pentagon contracts in decades Friday, worth an estimated $40 billion, to build 179 midair refueling planes.

"This is a formidable victory in the American market," EADS CEO Louis Gallois said on France-Info radio. "To beat Boeing in the American market, well, we're very proud."

The win, announced Friday in Washington, drew gasps at Chicago-based Boeing. It opens the door to the possibility of follow-up contracts for EADS. The win was the first of three U.S. awards worth up to $100 billion over 30 years.

For Gallois, the award confirms the company's global strategy - balancing defense and commercial sectors and increasing its presence in key markets, a statement said.

"This major selection is a win-win for our customers, for our allied industrial cooperation and for EADS," the statement quoted Gallois as saying.

The EADS-Northrop Grumman partnership won the competition in part because of the larger size of its aircraft - the KC-30 tanker - allowing for more fuel, more cargo and more passengers, Air Force Gen. Duncan J. McNabb said Friday.

The tanker frame is to be based on the Airbus A330 passenger jet, and final assembly will take place in Mobile, Alabama, according to EADS. Civilian Airbus A330 freighters will be assembled there, too.

"We are creating lots of jobs in the United States, but we're also creating ( jobs) in Europe," Gallois said on France-Info. He didn't provide figures.

Addressing concerns that the Alabama assembly site could spell more job cuts on this side of the Atlantic, Gallois, speaking on France-2 television, stressed that Europe will play a role in building the tanker, with the nose made in France, the wings in the U.K. and part of the fuselage in Germany.

For French President Nicolas Sarkozy, the award is a "historic success."

"After the difficulties of several months ago, EADS thus brilliantly renews with success...and in one of the most difficult and demanding defense markets," a statement from the president's office said.

Sarkozy called Gallois to hail the deal, which underscores "the exceptional know-how of the European company, in civilian as well as defense" sectors, it said.

EADS has been weighed down by a series of problems, with the latest a delay announced in November to its A400M military transport jet. EADS said the delay could cost as much as S$2 billion in penalties and other charges. The slumping dollar has also been a drain.

However, the most high-profile problem dates to June 2005, with the start of a series of announcements that revealed botched management of the A380 superjumbo - Airbus' rival to Boeing's 787 - delaying delivery by nearly two years and hurting profits. Rolllout of Boeing's 787 has also been pushed back and isn't due out until next year.

The Airbus crisis reached deep into the company structure, resulting in a change in top management and a restructuring plan that cuts 10,000 jobs and aims to recoup EUR2 billion in savings by 2010.
John Galt
2008-03-02 12:53:32 UTC
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Post by John Galt
The facts are straight, thanks. Any statement that indicates that Airbus won
a contract on which they bid is simply false.
That is, of course, the Bush administration spin.
How can a provable fact be "spin"?

Personally, I dislike lying. However, I see that lying doesn't bother you,
and I'll take that into account when reading your posts in the future.

JG
Post by Fafnir
The nose of the airplane will be made by Airbus in France.
The wings will be made by Airbus in the UK.
The fuselage will be made by Airbus in Germany.
Spin 'til you're dizzy, those jobs are going to Europe, not to the USA.
Your redefinition of 'won' is irrelevant.
EADS' definition is spot on.
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200803011545DOWJONESDJONLINE000448_FORTUNE5.htm
EADS Hails Its Multibillion-Dollar US Military Contract Win
Dow Jones
March 01, 2008: 03:45 PM EST
PARIS (AP)--European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. (EADSY) on Saturday
hailed its victory over arch-rival Boeing (BA) to secure a
multibillion-dollar U.S. military contract and bounce back from setbacks
that led to major company restructuring.
EADS, the maker of Airbus planes, and its U.S. partner, Los Angeles-based
Northrop Grumman (NOC), won one of the biggest Pentagon contracts in
decades Friday, worth an estimated $40 billion, to build 179 midair
refueling planes.
"This is a formidable victory in the American market," EADS CEO Louis
Gallois said on France-Info radio. "To beat Boeing in the American market,
well, we're very proud."
The win, announced Friday in Washington, drew gasps at Chicago-based
Boeing. It opens the door to the possibility of follow-up contracts for
EADS. The win was the first of three U.S. awards worth up to $100 billion
over 30 years.
For Gallois, the award confirms the company's global strategy - balancing
defense and commercial sectors and increasing its presence in key markets,
a statement said.
"This major selection is a win-win for our customers, for our allied
industrial cooperation and for EADS," the statement quoted Gallois as
saying.
The EADS-Northrop Grumman partnership won the competition in part because
of the larger size of its aircraft - the KC-30 tanker - allowing for more
fuel, more cargo and more passengers, Air Force Gen. Duncan J. McNabb said
Friday.
The tanker frame is to be based on the Airbus A330 passenger jet, and
final assembly will take place in Mobile, Alabama, according to EADS.
Civilian Airbus A330 freighters will be assembled there, too.
"We are creating lots of jobs in the United States, but we're also
creating ( jobs) in Europe," Gallois said on France-Info. He didn't
provide figures.
Addressing concerns that the Alabama assembly site could spell more job
cuts on this side of the Atlantic, Gallois, speaking on France-2
television, stressed that Europe will play a role in building the tanker,
with the nose made in France, the wings in the U.K. and part of the
fuselage in Germany.
For French President Nicolas Sarkozy, the award is a "historic success."
"After the difficulties of several months ago, EADS thus brilliantly
renews with success...and in one of the most difficult and demanding
defense markets," a statement from the president's office said.
Sarkozy called Gallois to hail the deal, which underscores "the
exceptional know-how of the European company, in civilian as well as
defense" sectors, it said.
EADS has been weighed down by a series of problems, with the latest a
delay announced in November to its A400M military transport jet. EADS said
the delay could cost as much as S$2 billion in penalties and other
charges. The slumping dollar has also been a drain.
However, the most high-profile problem dates to June 2005, with the start
of a series of announcements that revealed botched management of the A380
superjumbo - Airbus' rival to Boeing's 787 - delaying delivery by nearly
two years and hurting profits. Rolllout of Boeing's 787 has also been
pushed back and isn't due out until next year.
The Airbus crisis reached deep into the company structure, resulting in a
change in top management and a restructuring plan that cuts 10,000 jobs
and aims to recoup EUR2 billion in savings by 2010.
R***@remailer.metacolo.com
2008-03-02 17:44:59 UTC
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European Aeronautic Defense & Space welcomes $40 billion U.S. contract

PARIS: European Aeronautic Defense & Space welcomed a victory over its archrival, Boeing, in which it secured a multibillion-dollar U.S. military contract, bouncing back from setbacks that had led to major company restructuring.

EADS, the maker of Airbus planes, and its U.S. partner, Northrop Grumman, won one of the biggest Pentagon contracts in decades Friday, worth an estimated $40 billion, to build 179 midair refueling planes.

"This is a formidable victory in the American market," Louis Gallois, the chief executive of EADS, said Saturday on France-Info radio. "To beat Boeing in the American market, well, we're very proud."

The decision opens the door to the possibility of follow-up contracts for the company.

The deal was the first of three U.S. contracts worth as much as $100 billion over 30 years.

For Gallois, the selection of EADS confirms the company's global strategy of balancing defense and commercial sectors and increasing its presence in major markets, a statement said.

"This major selection is a win-win for our customers, for our allied industrial cooperation and for EADS," the statement quoted Gallois as saying.

The EADS-Northrop Grumman partnership won the competition in part because of the larger size of its aircraft - the KC-30 tanker - which allows for more fuel, more cargo and more passengers, Duncan McNabb, an Air Force general, said Friday.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/02/business/airbus.php
DeserTBoB
2008-03-02 03:35:50 UTC
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On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:15:41 -0600, "John Galt"
Post by John Galt
Post by Nebuchadnezzar II
Post by John Galt
Post by Middle Class Warrior
Post by R***@remailer.metacolo.com
http://news.google.com/nwshp?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wn&ncl=1131239313&topic=h
This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We
outsourced all of factories and workers.
They didn't give the contract to Airbus. They gave it to Northrup. EADS
is a subcontractor to Northrup, and will build the planes in Mobile.
The plane it's based on is the Airbus A330-200, so Airbus got the contract
by proxy. The planes will be turned into tankers in AL, but all of the
parts which make up the basic airframe are pure European.
Right. That's a far cry from "Airbus got the contract."
Its best to be accurate. <snip>
OK, let's be accurate. Airbus DID get the contract. Northrop was
used as a shill bidder.

The planes will be built in Toulouse, flown to Mobile, tanker mods
installed there with US built hardware, and then delivered. There is
no "aircraft plant" in mobile anywhere near the scope of Everett or
Palmdale's AF Plant 42. It'll just be a glorified FBO, like Mojave.

That's an EADS contract...payola to Sarkozy by Bush, and another
payoff to Alabama for being such good right wing nuts.
R***@remailer.metacolo.com
2008-03-01 18:46:00 UTC
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Post by John Galt
Post by R***@remailer.metacolo.com
http://news.google.com/nwshp?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wn&ncl=1131239313&topic=h
This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We outsourced
all of factories and workers.
They didn't give the contract to Airbus. They gave it to Northrup.
Northrup doesn't build airplanes.
Airbus builds airplanes.
In Toulouse.
Post by John Galt
EADS is a
subcontractor to Northrup, and will build the planes in Mobile.
No, they'll be built in France.
There will be a 'final assemply plant' in Mobile.

You've been diddled by Dubbyia.

Again.



Some US lawmakers reacted angrily to the deal which is widely seen as a major coup for Europe's aviation industry.

Republican Senator Sam Brownback said he was "shocked at this decision and very disappointed."

"I'll be calling upon the Secretary of Defense for a full debriefing and expect there will be a protest of the award by Boeing," Brownback added.

"It's stunning to me that we would outsource the production of these airplanes to Europe instead of building them in America."

Republican Representative Todd Tiahrt said he was "deeply troubled."

He added: "We should have an American tanker built by an American company with American workers," he said.

"I cannot believe we would create French jobs in place of Kansas jobs."

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3160759,00.html
John Galt
2008-03-02 01:33:21 UTC
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Post by R***@remailer.metacolo.com
Post by John Galt
Post by R***@remailer.metacolo.com
http://news.google.com/nwshp?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wn&ncl=1131239313&topic=h
This is hysterical. Why not outsource our weapions systems? We outsourced
all of factories and workers.
They didn't give the contract to Airbus. They gave it to Northrup.
Northrup doesn't build airplanes.
Airbus builds airplanes.
In Toulouse.
Post by John Galt
EADS is a
subcontractor to Northrup, and will build the planes in Mobile.
No, they'll be built in France.
There will be a 'final assemply plant' in Mobile.
You've been diddled by Dubbyia.
Again.
Hardly. I didn't argue that it was as good as giving the contract to Boeing.
I was simply pointing out that the subject line is misleading at best, a lie
at worst.

Which it is.

JG
Post by R***@remailer.metacolo.com
Some US lawmakers reacted angrily to the deal which is widely seen as a
major coup for Europe's aviation industry.
Republican Senator Sam Brownback said he was "shocked at this decision and
very disappointed."
"I'll be calling upon the Secretary of Defense for a full debriefing and
expect there will be a protest of the award by Boeing," Brownback added.
"It's stunning to me that we would outsource the production of these
airplanes to Europe instead of building them in America."
Republican Representative Todd Tiahrt said he was "deeply troubled."
He added: "We should have an American tanker built by an American company
with American workers," he said.
"I cannot believe we would create French jobs in place of Kansas jobs."
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3160759,00.html
Governor Swill
2008-03-02 09:47:30 UTC
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Post by R***@remailer.metacolo.com
Post by John Galt
They didn't give the contract to Airbus. They gave it to Northrup.
Northrup doesn't build airplanes.
Airbus builds airplanes.
In Toulouse.
Post by John Galt
EADS is a
subcontractor to Northrup, and will build the planes in Mobile.
No, they'll be built in France.
There will be a 'final assemply plant' in Mobile.
You've been diddled by Dubbyia.
Again.
Just be thankful they aren't being built in Yemen.

Swill
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DeserTBoB
2008-03-02 16:57:27 UTC
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On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:47:30 -0500, Governor Swill
Just be thankful they aren't being built in Yemen. <snip>
LOL!

If Bush/Cheney got a third term, they probably would be...or Syria.
R***@remailer.metacolo.com
2008-03-03 00:47:10 UTC
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Post by R***@remailer.metacolo.com
http://news.google.com/nwshp?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wn&ncl=1131239313&topic=h
This isn't the first time, either.

The Defense Department has ALSO ordered 78 transports from the Italian company Alenia.

Seems that the US Aerospace Industry isn't good enough for the Bush administration, even for purely military aircraft.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/spartan/

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