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IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
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Bill McGinnis
2003-12-01 05:01:21 UTC
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IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION


The underlying question: Is it unconstitutional for the government
to promote "Theism," by using such phrases as, "In God we trust," and
"God bless America," and by praying to God as part of a government
function?

Note to Journalists: This is a hot subject, coming up soon
for Supreme Court attention, many think. I'm not simply
grinding some dull religious axe. These are some of the arguments
we will be hearing, I expect. Culture wars, big-time.



IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION

by Bill McGinnis, Public Domain


Elsewhere, I presented the idea that Atheism is a religion, the religion
whose belief about God is that there is no God. Please see
http://essaysandcommentaries.com/thereligionofatheism.txt and also my
newsgroups post entitled "ESTABLISHING THE RELIGION OF ATHEISM."

As expected, the hard-core Atheists objected venomously, with their
typical ad hominem attacks, such as "you Moron,"(***@newscene.com), and
"how utterly full of sh*t you are," (***@bizniz.net), and "Frickin'
moron," (***@null.none).

Okay. Just for the sake of discussion, let's say that Atheism is not a
religion. What then? What is it? How would you try to define it? If it is
not a religion, then what is it? Maybe it's a philosophy! Okay . . . But
if Atheism is a philosophy, not a religion, then Theism must also be a
philosophy, not a religion, by whatever definitions of "philosophy" and
"religion" you choose to use. And if Atheism and Theism are both
philosophies, then neither is a religion, and there is no basis for
pretending that Theism is un-Constitutional.

So we see that . . .

IF ATHEISM AND THEISM ARE BOTH RELIGIONS, THEN ATHEISM AND THEISM BOTH
MUST BE SUPPRESSED IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS, JUST AS CHRISTIANITY, JUDAISM, AND
ISLAM ARE SUPPRESSED. THIS MEANS YOU CANNOT TEACH THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION
AS FACT, BECAUSE THAT IS ESTABLISHING ATHEISM AS THE STATE RELIGION.

IF ATHEISM AND THEISM ARE BOTH PHILOSOPHIES, THEN NEITHER ONE IS A
RELIGION, AND THEISM CAN BE FREELY EXPRESSED: THAT IS, MENTIONING GOD IN
ANY PUBLIC PLACE IS PERFECTLY CONSTITUTIONAL, AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT TEND
TO "ESTABLISH" ANY PARTICULAR GOD-BASED RELIGION, SUCH AS CHRISTIANITY,
JUDAISM, OR ISLAM.

SO "GOD BLESS AMERICA," "IN GOD WE TRUST," AND PRAYING TO GOD IN PUBLIC
ARE ALL PERFECTLY LEGAL UNDER THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.

Blessings to you in the name of the One God, Who created all things.


Rev. Bill McGinnis, Director ***@patriot.net

http://LoveAllPeople.org
http://PracticalDemocracy.org

. . . and related websites listed at
http://patriot.net/users/bmcgin/chapellinks.html
Steve
2003-12-01 05:21:16 UTC
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<snipped the post>

Why cant you understand a really simple concept ?

Theism is a belief in a deity
Atheism is the opposite of this..i.e no belief in a deity

how can two opposing views be defined as the same ?

how can no belief in a deity be a religion ?

i *dont* worship anything ...do you understand this ??

In your post you draw a false analogy...then use this false analogy to prove
your point.. uh-oh,.... bahhhh...sorry you dont win a prize..

and you shouldnt type in caps.... it doesnt make your illogical post anymore
appealing.

steve
JTEM
2003-12-01 05:32:17 UTC
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Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS
NOT A RELIGION
Atheism isn't a religion and theism is a religion. Period.

As compelling as you may find your use of the cap-lock, I'm
afraid that you simply haven't the power to re-order the
universe to suit your agenda.

You're welcome.
Woden
2003-12-01 05:53:21 UTC
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Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
(snip bullshit)

Why do you continue to spread lies and untruths when you have been
corrected numerous times already?
--
Woden

"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
Ron Baker
2003-12-01 06:20:35 UTC
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Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
That is false. Religion/theism is a belief in god or the supernatural.
Atheism includes no belief in anything supernatural.
Atheism is not a religion.
Post by Bill McGinnis
The underlying question: Is it unconstitutional for the government
to promote "Theism," by using such phrases as, "In God we trust," and
"God bless America," and by praying to God as part of a government
function?
The answer is that it is unconsititutional because it endorses
one, or a category, of religious beliefs over other religious
beliefs.

Are Buddhists and Hindus accepted as US Americans?
If so then "In God we trust" is not true for all US Americans.
It is certainly no more true than "In Vishnu we trust".

If we allow "In God we trust" to be printed on the currency
then "In Vishnu we trust" should be printed on the currency.

If you argue that the majority of Americans are Christian
then I will argue that the proportion of bill printed
with "In God we trust" should be no greater than the
proportion of Christians in the US.
They don't come here.
Post by Bill McGinnis
This is a hot subject, coming up soon
for Supreme Court attention, many think. I'm not simply
grinding some dull religious axe. These are some of the arguments
we will be hearing, I expect. Culture wars, big-time.
Small time.
Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
by Bill McGinnis, Public Domain
Elsewhere, I presented the idea that Atheism is a religion, the religion
whose belief about God is that there is no God. Please see
http://essaysandcommentaries.com/thereligionofatheism.txt and also my
newsgroups post entitled "ESTABLISHING THE RELIGION OF ATHEISM."
As expected, the hard-core Atheists objected venomously, with their
Wellcome to the public forum.
(And don't stereotype.)
Post by Bill McGinnis
Okay. Just for the sake of discussion, let's say that Atheism is not a
religion. What then? What is it? How would you try to define it? If it is
not a religion, then what is it? Maybe it's a philosophy! Okay . . . But
if Atheism is a philosophy, not a religion, then Theism must also be a
philosophy, not a religion, by whatever definitions of "philosophy" and
"religion" you choose to use. And if Atheism and Theism are both
philosophies, then neither is a religion, and there is no basis for
pretending that Theism is un-Constitutional.
From Merriam-Webster Online:
"Religion: the service and worship of God or the supernatural"

Atheism is not a religion.
Post by Bill McGinnis
So we see that . . .
No.
Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM AND THEISM ARE BOTH RELIGIONS, THEN ATHEISM AND THEISM BOTH
MUST BE SUPPRESSED IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS, JUST AS CHRISTIANITY, JUDAISM, AND
They are not suppressed. They may not be established by the government.
Post by Bill McGinnis
ISLAM ARE SUPPRESSED. THIS MEANS YOU CANNOT TEACH THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION
AS FACT, BECAUSE THAT IS ESTABLISHING ATHEISM AS THE STATE RELIGION.
IF ATHEISM AND THEISM ARE BOTH PHILOSOPHIES, THEN NEITHER ONE IS A
RELIGION, AND THEISM CAN BE FREELY EXPRESSED: THAT IS, MENTIONING GOD IN
ANY PUBLIC PLACE IS PERFECTLY CONSTITUTIONAL, AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT TEND
TO "ESTABLISH" ANY PARTICULAR GOD-BASED RELIGION, SUCH AS CHRISTIANITY,
JUDAISM, OR ISLAM.
SO "GOD BLESS AMERICA," "IN GOD WE TRUST," AND PRAYING TO GOD IN PUBLIC
ARE ALL PERFECTLY LEGAL UNDER THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.
Constitutional, for an individual to express.
Post by Bill McGinnis
Blessings to you in the name of the One God, Who created all things.
Bless somebody who needs it.
Mark Richardson
2003-12-01 06:40:25 UTC
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 05:01:21 -0000, Bill McGinnis
Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
IF CHICKENS ARE EDIBLE BIRDS THEN SO ARE FISH!

Mark.

--
Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau

Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)

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Mark Richardson
2003-12-01 06:43:10 UTC
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 05:01:21 -0000, Bill McGinnis
Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
Duh!
Theism is not a religion.

Christianity is a religion. Judaism is a religion.

Mark.

--
Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau

Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)

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Kate
2003-12-01 07:41:08 UTC
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Yup - still a moron that makes no sense.

Not promoting religion is secularism not atheism.

For the government to promote atheism it would have to tell people
that there is no god. It doesn't matter whether it's a religion or
not - it still is not allowed to be promoted by government.

And it's not. Only Christianity and Theism is being promoted by the
Government in violation of the first amendment.

How many times do you have to be told this to get it through your
thick head?


On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 05:01:21 -0000, Bill McGinnis
Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
The underlying question: Is it unconstitutional for the government
to promote "Theism," by using such phrases as, "In God we trust," and
"God bless America," and by praying to God as part of a government
function?
Note to Journalists: This is a hot subject, coming up soon
for Supreme Court attention, many think. I'm not simply
grinding some dull religious axe. These are some of the arguments
we will be hearing, I expect. Culture wars, big-time.
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
by Bill McGinnis, Public Domain
Elsewhere, I presented the idea that Atheism is a religion, the religion
whose belief about God is that there is no God. Please see
http://essaysandcommentaries.com/thereligionofatheism.txt and also my
newsgroups post entitled "ESTABLISHING THE RELIGION OF ATHEISM."
As expected, the hard-core Atheists objected venomously, with their
Okay. Just for the sake of discussion, let's say that Atheism is not a
religion. What then? What is it? How would you try to define it? If it is
not a religion, then what is it? Maybe it's a philosophy! Okay . . . But
if Atheism is a philosophy, not a religion, then Theism must also be a
philosophy, not a religion, by whatever definitions of "philosophy" and
"religion" you choose to use. And if Atheism and Theism are both
philosophies, then neither is a religion, and there is no basis for
pretending that Theism is un-Constitutional.
So we see that . . .
IF ATHEISM AND THEISM ARE BOTH RELIGIONS, THEN ATHEISM AND THEISM BOTH
MUST BE SUPPRESSED IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS, JUST AS CHRISTIANITY, JUDAISM, AND
ISLAM ARE SUPPRESSED. THIS MEANS YOU CANNOT TEACH THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION
AS FACT, BECAUSE THAT IS ESTABLISHING ATHEISM AS THE STATE RELIGION.
IF ATHEISM AND THEISM ARE BOTH PHILOSOPHIES, THEN NEITHER ONE IS A
RELIGION, AND THEISM CAN BE FREELY EXPRESSED: THAT IS, MENTIONING GOD IN
ANY PUBLIC PLACE IS PERFECTLY CONSTITUTIONAL, AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT TEND
TO "ESTABLISH" ANY PARTICULAR GOD-BASED RELIGION, SUCH AS CHRISTIANITY,
JUDAISM, OR ISLAM.
SO "GOD BLESS AMERICA," "IN GOD WE TRUST," AND PRAYING TO GOD IN PUBLIC
ARE ALL PERFECTLY LEGAL UNDER THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.
Blessings to you in the name of the One God, Who created all things.
http://LoveAllPeople.org
http://PracticalDemocracy.org
. . . and related websites listed at
http://patriot.net/users/bmcgin/chapellinks.html
Brian Westley
2003-12-01 08:02:48 UTC
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Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
Correct; theism isn't a religion. It's a tenet of most
religions, but "theism" itself isn't a religion, and
atheism isn't a religion, either.

---
Merlyn LeRoy
Robibnikoff
2003-12-01 14:34:35 UTC
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Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
Do you have some kind of a purpose behind all these lies you're spewing?

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Undisclosed Recipients
2003-12-01 18:33:40 UTC
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In alt.atheism on Mon, 01 Dec 2003 05:01:21 -0000,
Post by Bill McGinnis
Elsewhere, I presented the idea that Atheism is a religion, the religion
whose belief about God is that there is no God.
What a weird coincidence. The County Tax Assessor came by the house the other
day to verify the kind of car I have. In fact, he asked "What kind of car do
you have?"

I replied, "No car at all. I decided I didn't need one, so I gave it away."

"Ah," he said. "OK, I'll put you down for an assessment of $175, then."

"You are assessing me for a car I don't have?" I asked?

"Oh, my no. You see, there are many kinds of cars: Ford, Chrysler, GM,
Mercedes... and 'None'. The kind of car we will be taxing you on is 'None'.
That has a standard rate of $175 per annum. We'll send you the bill. Have a
nice day."

mdr
Maverick
2003-12-01 21:27:07 UTC
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Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
You're wrong.

Hope this helps :-)
BW
2003-12-01 21:30:37 UTC
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Post by Maverick
Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
You're wrong.
No, he's correct.
qwerty
2003-12-01 22:04:09 UTC
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Post by BW
Post by Maverick
Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
You're wrong.
No, he's correct.
Do you believe that Bart Simpson is real and the creator of all things? If
not, is that disbelief a religion?
BW
2003-12-01 22:49:55 UTC
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Post by qwerty
Post by BW
Post by Maverick
Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
You're wrong.
No, he's correct.
Do you believe that Bart Simpson is real and the creator of all things?
No, do you?
qwerty
2003-12-01 23:13:27 UTC
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Post by BW
Post by qwerty
Post by BW
Post by Maverick
Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
You're wrong.
No, he's correct.
Do you believe that Bart Simpson is real and the creator of all things?
No, do you?
No, is that disbelief a religion? You clipped that part! Is not believing
Bart Simpson is real and the creator anymore a religion than not believing
God is real and the creator?
BW
2003-12-01 23:34:15 UTC
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Post by qwerty
Post by BW
Post by qwerty
Post by BW
Post by Maverick
Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
You're wrong.
No, he's correct.
Do you believe that Bart Simpson is real and the creator of all things?
No, do you?
No, is that disbelief a religion?
Yes, because Atheism is specifically disbelief in God. Thus Atheism is
itself a religion, since it has NO scientific basis for believing God "does
not exist". In other words, Atheists operate PURELY on the basis of their
faith belief that God "does not exist".

Atheism is a faith belief and it is a religion to boot.
qwerty
2003-12-01 23:46:30 UTC
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Post by qwerty
Post by qwerty
Post by BW
Post by qwerty
Post by BW
Post by Maverick
Post by Bill McGinnis
IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A RELIGION
You're wrong.
No, he's correct.
Do you believe that Bart Simpson is real and the creator of all
things?
Post by qwerty
Post by BW
No, do you?
No, is that disbelief a religion?
Yes, because Atheism is specifically disbelief in God.
LOL, so not believing Bart Simpson is real and the creator is a religion?
Not believing in invisible purple dinosaurs that control everything isn't a
religion either!
Post by qwerty
Thus Atheism is
itself a religion, since it has NO scientific basis for believing God "does
not exist".
And you're proof that invisible purple dinosaurs don't really exist? LOL, I
thought religion was based on faith, not proof! Can you prove
scientifically that God exists?
Post by qwerty
In other words, Atheists operate PURELY on the basis of their
faith belief that God "does not exist".
Atheism is a faith belief and it is a religion to boot.
Then Abartism is a religion then! BS!
BW
2003-12-02 00:13:03 UTC
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You're wrong.
No, he's correct.
Do you believe that Bart Simpson is real and the creator of all
things?
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Post by BW
No, do you?
No, is that disbelief a religion?
Yes, because Atheism is specifically disbelief in God.
LOL, so not believing Bart Simpson is real and the creator is a religion?
No, because Atheism is specifically disbelief in God. Atheism isn't a faith
belief in Bart Simpson, you see. Rather, Atheism is a faith belief that God
"doesn't exist".
Steve
2003-12-02 01:46:07 UTC
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: No, because Atheism is specifically disbelief in God. Atheism isn't a
faith
: belief in Bart Simpson, you see. Rather, Atheism is a faith belief that
God
: "doesn't exist".
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Your semantic gymnastics do nothing for your case BW

You have faith in something..i have *no* faith whatsoever..how can you
possibly twist that into a religion ??

steve
BW
2003-12-02 02:31:30 UTC
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Post by Steve
You have faith in something..i have *no* faith whatsoever..how can you
possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE that faith
belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on your part.
Christopher A. Lee
2003-12-02 02:36:02 UTC
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Post by BW
Post by Steve
You have faith in something..i have *no* faith whatsoever..how can you
possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE that faith
belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on your part.
Hey, asshole, what do you imagine qualifies you to tell us what our
own point of view is?
BW
2003-12-02 02:54:22 UTC
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Post by BW
Post by Steve
You have faith in something..i have *no* faith whatsoever..how can you
possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE that faith
belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on your part.
Hey, asshole, what do you imagine qualifies you to tell us what our
own point of view is?
Hey Atheist shit-for-brains, do you believe God exists, or do you believe
God does not exist, or do you instead believe you don't have an opinion (in
which case you can't be an Atheist, since you don't even have an opinion
concerning the existence of God)? Or are Atheist shit-for-brains such as
yourself too stupid to even KNOW what your own point of view is?
Christopher A. Lee
2003-12-02 07:20:46 UTC
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Post by BW
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by BW
Post by Steve
You have faith in something..i have *no* faith whatsoever..how can you
possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE that
faith belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on
your part.
Hey, asshole, what do you imagine qualifies you to tell us what our
own point of view is?
Couldn't answer the question, eh?

What "faith that God 'doesn't exist'", liar?
Post by BW
Hey Atheist shit-for-brains, do you believe God exists, or do you believe
God does not exist, or do you instead believe you don't have an opinion (in
which case you can't be an Atheist, since you don't even have an opinion
concerning the existence of God)? Or are Atheist shit-for-brains such as
yourself too stupid to even KNOW what your own point of view is?
Why do you certifiable lunatics imagine that the world revolves around
your religious beliefs?

"God" is merely your wacky belief. As such there is nothing to
"believe doesn't exist".

Was that clear enough even for you, you pathetic, in-your-face, nasty
stupid, typical, lying Christian?
ArWeGod
2003-12-02 08:33:49 UTC
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Post by BW
Hey Atheist shit-for-brains, do you believe God exists, or do you believe
God does not exist, or do you instead believe you don't have an opinion (in
which case you can't be an Atheist, since you don't even have an opinion
concerning the existence of God)? Or are Atheist shit-for-brains such as
yourself too stupid to even KNOW what your own point of view is?
Why do you certifiable lunatics imagine that the world revolves around
your religious beliefs?
"God" is merely your wacky belief. As such there is nothing to
"believe doesn't exist".
Was that clear enough even for you, you pathetic, in-your-face, nasty
stupid, typical, lying Christian?
OK. So shall we all just agree to disagree? I think you're pretty much run
the old "IS! - Is NOT!" argument into the ground.

Boooooring!
Christopher A. Lee
2003-12-02 11:06:59 UTC
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Post by ArWeGod
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by BW
Hey Atheist shit-for-brains, do you believe God exists, or do you believe
God does not exist, or do you instead believe you don't have an opinion
(in
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by BW
which case you can't be an Atheist, since you don't even have an opinion
concerning the existence of God)? Or are Atheist shit-for-brains such
as
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by BW
yourself too stupid to even KNOW what your own point of view is?
Why do you certifiable lunatics imagine that the world revolves around
your religious beliefs?
"God" is merely your wacky belief. As such there is nothing to
"believe doesn't exist".
Was that clear enough even for you, you pathetic, in-your-face, nasty
stupid, typical, lying Christian?
OK. So shall we all just agree to disagree? I think you're pretty much run
the old "IS! - Is NOT!" argument into the ground.
Boooooring!
Hardly an "IS! - Is NOT!" argument.

Just an arroganly nasty person telling us our position and getting it
wrong, insisting that we're not telling the truth about ourselves when
we correct him..

What is boring is the in-our-face rudeness of an asshole who imagines
he gets to tell us what our position is.

The *O*N*L*Y* compromise is that we will stop treating him as the
in-our-face nasty liar he shows himself to be, when he accepts that
our position actually iswhat we describe,
Robibnikoff
2003-12-02 16:34:32 UTC
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Post by BW
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by BW
Post by Steve
You have faith in something..i have *no* faith whatsoever..how can you
possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE that
faith
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by BW
belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on your
part.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Hey, asshole, what do you imagine qualifies you to tell us what our
own point of view is?
Hey Atheist shit-for-brains, do you believe God exists, or do you believe
God does not exist, or do you instead believe you don't have an opinion (in
which case you can't be an Atheist, since you don't even have an opinion
concerning the existence of God)? Or are Atheist shit-for-brains such as
yourself too stupid to even KNOW what your own point of view is?
Wow - Who pissed in your Cheerios, dickhead?

I do not believe in god(s). End of story.

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
BW
2003-12-02 17:09:28 UTC
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Wow - Who pissed in your Cheerios, dickhead?
Gee Atheist shithead, you got a problem?
qwerty
2003-12-02 22:04:25 UTC
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Post by Steve
You have faith in something..i have *no* faith whatsoever..how can you
possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE that
faith
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by BW
belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on your
part.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Hey, asshole, what do you imagine qualifies you to tell us what our
own point of view is?
Hey Atheist shit-for-brains, do you believe God exists, or do you believe
God does not exist, or do you instead believe you don't have an opinion (in
which case you can't be an Atheist, since you don't even have an opinion
concerning the existence of God)? Or are Atheist shit-for-brains such as
yourself too stupid to even KNOW what your own point of view is?
Do you believe that invisible purple dinosaurs exist?
BW
2003-12-02 22:27:12 UTC
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Post by BW
Post by Steve
You have faith in something..i have *no* faith whatsoever..how can
you
Post by BW
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by BW
Post by Steve
possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE that
faith
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by BW
belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on your
part.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Hey, asshole, what do you imagine qualifies you to tell us what our
own point of view is?
Hey Atheist shit-for-brains, do you believe God exists, or do you believe
God does not exist, or do you instead believe you don't have an opinion
(in
Post by BW
which case you can't be an Atheist, since you don't even have an opinion
concerning the existence of God)? Or are Atheist shit-for-brains such as
yourself too stupid to even KNOW what your own point of view is?
Do you believe that invisible purple dinosaurs exist?
No, I believe invisible purple dinosaurs do not exist.
qwerty
2003-12-02 22:29:08 UTC
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You have faith in something..i have *no* faith whatsoever..how can
you
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Post by Steve
possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE that
faith
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belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on your
part.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Hey, asshole, what do you imagine qualifies you to tell us what our
own point of view is?
Hey Atheist shit-for-brains, do you believe God exists, or do you
believe
Post by qwerty
Post by BW
God does not exist, or do you instead believe you don't have an opinion
(in
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which case you can't be an Atheist, since you don't even have an opinion
concerning the existence of God)? Or are Atheist shit-for-brains
such
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as
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yourself too stupid to even KNOW what your own point of view is?
Do you believe that invisible purple dinosaurs exist?
No, I believe invisible purple dinosaurs do not exist.
Is that disbelief a religon?
Paul Revere
2003-12-03 09:24:35 UTC
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can
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you
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possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE
that
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faith
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belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on
your
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part.
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Hey, asshole, what do you imagine qualifies you to tell us what our
own point of view is?
Hey Atheist shit-for-brains, do you believe God exists, or do you
believe
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God does not exist, or do you instead believe you don't have an
opinion
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(in
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which case you can't be an Atheist, since you don't even have an
opinion
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concerning the existence of God)? Or are Atheist shit-for-brains
such
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as
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yourself too stupid to even KNOW what your own point of view is?
Do you believe that invisible purple dinosaurs exist?
No, I believe invisible purple dinosaurs do not exist.
Is that disbelief a religon?
A "religion" is neither a "belief" nor a "disbelief" concerning any
particular statement or contention.

A religion is "a personal SET or institutionalized SYSTEM of religious
attitudes, beliefs, and practices" [emphasis mine]

A "belief" is an idea that is accepted as fact.

If there is no "proof" to support a "belief", that belief is based on
"faith" and can be said to be a "faith based" belief, whether or not
that belief concerns or relates to religion.

If a faith based belief concerns "god" or the "supernatural", it is a
faith based belief concerning or related to religion.

If the idea that a "god exists", is accepted as fact without "proof",
it is a faith based belief concerning religion.

There is a difference between "NOT believing" that "god exists" and
"believing" that "god does NOT exist".

If the idea that a "god exists" is not accepted as fact because of
lack of proof, a faith based belief concerning religion is rejected.
One does "NOT believe" that a "god exists".

However, if the idea that a "god does NOT exist" is accepted as fact
without proof, then it too is a faith based belief concerning
religion.

That belief is not a "religion" just a faith based belief concerning
religion.


"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and a choking life."
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Robibnikoff
2003-12-02 16:44:28 UTC
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Post by Steve
You have faith in something..i have *no* faith whatsoever..how can you
possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist".
Wrong - What makes you think you can speak for atheists?

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
Maverick
2003-12-02 17:12:23 UTC
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Post by BW
You have faith in something..i have no faith whatsoever..how can you
possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE that
faith belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on
your part.
Wow, are we still at this stage? It seems like we have to tell
fundamentalists over and over again what it means to be an athiest. And
still, they refuse to understand, or, more likely perhaps, they are
simply unable to understand.
BW
2003-12-02 17:15:49 UTC
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Post by Maverick
Post by BW
You have faith in something..i have no faith whatsoever..how can you
possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE that
faith belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on
your part.
Wow, are we still at this stage?
Yes, it seems you are.
Undisclosed Recipients
2003-12-02 19:57:10 UTC
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In alt.atheism on Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:12:23 GMT,
Post by Maverick
Wow, are we still at this stage? It seems like we have to tell
fundamentalists over and over again what it means to be an athiest. And
still, they refuse to understand, or, more likely perhaps, they are
simply unable to understand.
To some extent, for some xians, this is the case. Hearkening back to my own
days of indoctrinatedness, I recall official and unofficial teachings to the
effect that every human absorbs knowledge of [the existence of] the xian god
through natural channels, regardless whether anybody evangelistical has
wandered by to bestow the Pure-D Gayronteed Complete Truth.

Therefore, there are only two possible states: active belief in the xian god,
or active denial of the xian god. Both of these states, obviously, are
"religious belief systems".

Reading tonnes recent "atheism is a faith/religion/belief system"
offscourings, I find quite a few of them that appear to be instructed by this
worldview.

mdr--
The hits just keep on coming for poor "Nadine". See the sad tale
of email lists gone horribly wrong at <http://www.honet.com/Nadine/>
F - IW AA #2157 GEVNP
Christopher A. Lee
2003-12-02 21:00:39 UTC
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On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:57:10 -0600, Undisclosed Recipients
Post by Undisclosed Recipients
In alt.atheism on Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:12:23 GMT,
Post by Maverick
Wow, are we still at this stage? It seems like we have to tell
fundamentalists over and over again what it means to be an athiest. And
still, they refuse to understand, or, more likely perhaps, they are
simply unable to understand.
To some extent, for some xians, this is the case. Hearkening back to my own
days of indoctrinatedness, I recall official and unofficial teachings to the
effect that every human absorbs knowledge of [the existence of] the xian god
through natural channels, regardless whether anybody evangelistical has
wandered by to bestow the Pure-D Gayronteed Complete Truth.
Therefore, there are only two possible states: active belief in the xian god,
or active denial of the xian god. Both of these states, obviously, are
"religious belief systems".
Reading tonnes recent "atheism is a faith/religion/belief system"
offscourings, I find quite a few of them that appear to be instructed by this
worldview.
But did you get nasty and insist that you knew better than them what
their position "really" was?

That's the worst part of it - it has destroyed any capacity they migt
once have had, for treating people like people.
sid9
2003-12-02 10:00:00 UTC
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Let's say there are a number of different kind of hamburgers.

a hamburger
a cheeseburger
a chili burger
an Episcopalian burger
a Presbyterian burger
a catholic hamburger
a Muslim burger
and some thing we call not a burger at all.

an atheist burger (not a burger at all)
it might be a cat.
it might be a two by four
in fact it can be anything BUT a burger.

so in fact it's "not a" burger.....

here's how I would represent (logically) a "not a burger" burger.

______
burger

Now substitute the word "religion" where ever I've used "burger"

i.e.: a catholic religion

or "it's not a religion at all"
Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:57:10 -0600, Undisclosed Recipients
Post by Undisclosed Recipients
In alt.atheism on Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:12:23 GMT,
Post by Maverick
Wow, are we still at this stage? It seems like we have to tell
fundamentalists over and over again what it means to be an athiest. And
still, they refuse to understand, or, more likely perhaps, they are
simply unable to understand.
To some extent, for some xians, this is the case. Hearkening back to my own
days of indoctrinatedness, I recall official and unofficial teachings to the
effect that every human absorbs knowledge of [the existence of] the xian god
through natural channels, regardless whether anybody evangelistical has
wandered by to bestow the Pure-D Gayronteed Complete Truth.
Therefore, there are only two possible states: active belief in the xian god,
or active denial of the xian god. Both of these states, obviously, are
"religious belief systems".
Reading tonnes recent "atheism is a faith/religion/belief system"
offscourings, I find quite a few of them that appear to be instructed by this
worldview.
But did you get nasty and insist that you knew better than them what
their position "really" was?
That's the worst part of it - it has destroyed any capacity they migt
once have had, for treating people like people.
Undisclosed Recipients
2003-12-02 22:42:45 UTC
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In alt.atheism on Tue, 02 Dec 2003 21:00:39 GMT,
Post by Christopher A. Lee
But did you get nasty and insist that you knew better than them what
their position "really" was?
That's the worst part of it - it has destroyed any capacity they migt
once have had, for treating people like people.
Indeed. That has long been my operational definition of "fanatic": someone
to whom ideas are more important than other people.

Perhaps that's why I had no long-time success as a fanatic myself.

mdr
--
The hits just keep on coming for poor "Nadine". See the sad tale
of email lists gone horribly wrong at <http://www.honet.com/Nadine/>
F - IW AA #2157 GEVNP
qwerty
2003-12-02 22:04:30 UTC
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Post by BW
Post by Steve
You have faith in something..i have *no* faith whatsoever..how can you
possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE that faith
belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on your part.
So not believing in invisible purple dinosaurs is a religion?
BW
2003-12-02 22:27:13 UTC
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Post by BW
Post by Steve
You have faith in something..i have *no* faith whatsoever..how can you
possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE that
faith
Post by BW
belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on your part.
So not believing in invisible purple dinosaurs is a religion?
No, but it's a faith belief. Similarly, since the Atheist believes God
"doesn't exist", that is a faith belief on his part. It is also a RELIGIOUS
faith belief on his part, since it involves God.
qwerty
2003-12-02 22:30:59 UTC
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Post by qwerty
Post by BW
Post by Steve
You have faith in something..i have *no* faith whatsoever..how can you
possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE that
faith
Post by BW
belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on your
part.
Post by qwerty
So not believing in invisible purple dinosaurs is a religion?
No, but it's a faith belief.
Then you believe it's a religon?
Post by BW
Similarly, since the Atheist believes God
"doesn't exist", that is a faith belief on his part. It is also a RELIGIOUS
faith belief on his part, since it involves God.
So not believing in invisible purple dinosaurs is a religon. Then EVERYONE
is a member of the A-"Invisible Purple Dinosaur" religon! LOL!
BW
2003-12-02 22:41:28 UTC
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You have faith in something..i have *no* faith whatsoever..how can
you
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Post by qwerty
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Post by Steve
possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE that
faith
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belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on your
part.
Post by qwerty
So not believing in invisible purple dinosaurs is a religion?
No, but it's a faith belief.
Then you believe it's a religon?
No, not at all. There are all sorts of faith beliefs held by people, none
of which have anything to do with religion.
qwerty
2003-12-02 23:08:27 UTC
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You have faith in something..i have *no* faith whatsoever..how can
you
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possibly twist that into a religion ??
Easy. You have faith that God "doesn't exist". You can't PROVE
that
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faith
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belief of yours of course, which is why it is a faith belief on your
part.
Post by qwerty
So not believing in invisible purple dinosaurs is a religion?
No, but it's a faith belief.
Then you believe it's a religon?
No, not at all. There are all sorts of faith beliefs held by people, none
of which have anything to do with religion.
How can a lack of faith be a faith belief? You're now agreeing that Atheism
is NOT a religion, or you would agree that not believing in invisible purple
dinosaurs IS a religion.
BW
2003-12-03 01:49:52 UTC
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No, but it's a faith belief.
Then you believe it's a religon?
No, not at all. There are all sorts of faith beliefs held by people, none
of which have anything to do with religion.
How can a lack of faith be a faith belief?
Lack of faith in what? What are you referring to now?
qwerty
2003-12-03 02:11:56 UTC
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No, but it's a faith belief.
Then you believe it's a religon?
No, not at all. There are all sorts of faith beliefs held by people,
none
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of which have anything to do with religion.
How can a lack of faith be a faith belief?
Lack of faith in what? What are you referring to now?
Having no faith that God exist is a lack of faith. Religion is all about
faith since the existence of God cannot be proven but must be accepted on
faith alone. Is the lack of belief in invisible purple dinosaurs a
religion?
BW
2003-12-03 02:17:56 UTC
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No, but it's a faith belief.
Then you believe it's a religon?
No, not at all. There are all sorts of faith beliefs held by people,
none
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of which have anything to do with religion.
How can a lack of faith be a faith belief?
Lack of faith in what? What are you referring to now?
Having no faith that God exist is a lack of faith.
No, believing that God doesn't exist is an exercise of faith, because those
Athiests have no proof or evidence that God "doesn't exist". On the
contrary, it is simply a faith belief on their part, qwerty.
qwerty
2003-12-03 02:29:37 UTC
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No, but it's a faith belief.
Then you believe it's a religon?
No, not at all. There are all sorts of faith beliefs held by
people,
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none
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of which have anything to do with religion.
How can a lack of faith be a faith belief?
Lack of faith in what? What are you referring to now?
Having no faith that God exist is a lack of faith.
No, believing that God doesn't exist is an exercise of faith, because those
Athiests have no proof or evidence that God "doesn't exist".
What? There is no proof that God exists anymore than there's proof that
invisible purple dinosaurs exist! Not believing is something because
there's no proof is NOT faith, however believing in something for which
there is not proof, nor ever be proof, IS faith!
Post by BW
On the
contrary, it is simply a faith belief on their part, qwerty.
So not believing in invisible purple dinosaurs is then a religion! How
absurd!
BW
2003-12-03 02:36:54 UTC
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No, believing that God doesn't exist is an exercise of faith, because
those
Post by BW
Athiests have no proof or evidence that God "doesn't exist".
What? There is no proof that God exists anymore than there's proof that
invisible purple dinosaurs exist!
How much proof is there "invisible purple dinosaurs don't exist"? That's
the point! The anti-science Atheists have no evidence or proof that God
"doesn't exist", yet they cling to their Faith Belief that God "doesn't
exist".

As you have been told, the Atheists cling to a Faith Belief, and furthermore
it is a RELIGIOUS Faith Belief on their part.
qwerty
2003-12-03 03:20:09 UTC
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No, believing that God doesn't exist is an exercise of faith, because
those
Post by BW
Athiests have no proof or evidence that God "doesn't exist".
What? There is no proof that God exists anymore than there's proof that
invisible purple dinosaurs exist!
How much proof is there "invisible purple dinosaurs don't exist"? That's
the point!
LOL, you cannot prove a negative. Any belief in invisible purple dinosaurs
relies totally on faith, not fact, not evidence!
Post by BW
The anti-science Atheists have no evidence or proof that God
"doesn't exist", yet they cling to their Faith Belief that God "doesn't
exist".
Anti-science?
Post by BW
As you have been told, the Atheists cling to a Faith Belief, and furthermore
it is a RELIGIOUS Faith Belief on their part.
So not believing in invisible purple dinosaurs is a religion, which is
totally absurd! So then would not believing in Bart Simpson is a religion,
equally absurd!
BW
2003-12-03 03:23:24 UTC
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No, believing that God doesn't exist is an exercise of faith, because
those
Post by BW
Athiests have no proof or evidence that God "doesn't exist".
What? There is no proof that God exists anymore than there's proof that
invisible purple dinosaurs exist!
How much proof is there "invisible purple dinosaurs don't exist"?
That's
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the point!
LOL, you cannot prove a negative.
Exactly. Which is why the Atheists' belief that God "doesn't exist" is a
FAITH belief on their part.

It's good to see you starting to get up to speed on these issues, "qwerty".
qwerty
2003-12-03 03:27:02 UTC
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No, believing that God doesn't exist is an exercise of faith,
because
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those
Post by BW
Athiests have no proof or evidence that God "doesn't exist".
What? There is no proof that God exists anymore than there's proof
that
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invisible purple dinosaurs exist!
How much proof is there "invisible purple dinosaurs don't exist"?
That's
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the point!
LOL, you cannot prove a negative.
Exactly. Which is why the Atheists' belief that God "doesn't exist" is a
FAITH belief on their part.
What? So those invisible purple dinosaurs are real? Requiring scientific
proof and evidence before believing something exists is faith?
Post by Ron Baker
It's good to see you starting to get up to speed on these issues, "qwerty".
So not believing in invisible purple dinosaurs is a religion? Please answer
this question.
BW
2003-12-03 03:37:00 UTC
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No, believing that God doesn't exist is an exercise of faith,
because
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those
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Athiests have no proof or evidence that God "doesn't exist".
What? There is no proof that God exists anymore than there's proof
that
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invisible purple dinosaurs exist!
How much proof is there "invisible purple dinosaurs don't exist"?
That's
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the point!
LOL, you cannot prove a negative.
Exactly. Which is why the Atheists' belief that God "doesn't exist" is a
FAITH belief on their part.
What?
You heard me.
Christopher A. Lee
2003-12-02 02:19:19 UTC
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Post by BW
No, because Atheism is specifically disbelief in God. Atheism isn't a faith
belief in Bart Simpson, you see. Rather, Atheism is a faith belief that God
"doesn't exist".
No, moron, it is no different than not believing in Santa Claus.

What is it with you guys that you imagine you get to tell us what our
own position is, and when we correct you, you tell us that we're not
telling the truth about ourselves?

Are you a mind reader?

I thought not.

SO HAVE THE COURTESY TO GRANT THAT WE MOIGHT ACTUALY KNOW WHAT OUR OWN
POSITION IS.

Why are so many of you, so in-your-face nasty?
BW
2003-12-02 02:47:03 UTC
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Post by BW
No, because Atheism is specifically disbelief in God. Atheism isn't a faith
belief in Bart Simpson, you see. Rather, Atheism is a faith belief that God
"doesn't exist".
No, moron, it is no different than not believing in Santa Claus.
So, you pathetic Atheist asshole, do you believe Santa Claus exists, or do
you believe he doesn't exist?
Christopher A. Lee
2003-12-02 07:20:46 UTC
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No, because Atheism is specifically disbelief in God. Atheism isn't
a faith belief in Bart Simpson, you see. Rather, Atheism is a faith
belief that God "doesn't exist".
No, moron, it is no different than not believing in Santa Claus.
So, you pathetic Atheist asshole, do you believe Santa Claus exists, or do
you believe he doesn't exist?
Are you really this stupid, or just pretending?

Neither, you binary-thinking pathetic piece of lying dogshit, because
it's merely somebody else's cultural belief.

Was that clear enough even for a deliberately nasty, lying typical
Christian like you?
Robibnikoff
2003-12-02 16:38:54 UTC
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No, because Atheism is specifically disbelief in God. Atheism isn't a
faith
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belief in Bart Simpson, you see. Rather, Atheism is a faith belief that
God
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"doesn't exist".
No, moron, it is no different than not believing in Santa Claus.
So, you pathetic Atheist asshole, do you believe Santa Claus exists, or do
you believe he doesn't exist?
I don't believe in Santa Claus - End of story. Deal with it, you foul-mouthed
baboon.

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
BW
2003-12-02 17:09:28 UTC
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No, because Atheism is specifically disbelief in God. Atheism isn't a
faith
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belief in Bart Simpson, you see. Rather, Atheism is a faith belief that
God
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"doesn't exist".
No, moron, it is no different than not believing in Santa Claus.
So, you pathetic Atheist asshole, do you believe Santa Claus exists, or do
you believe he doesn't exist?
I don't believe in Santa Claus - End of story. Deal with it, you foul-mouthed
baboon.
Now answer the question, Atheist asshole. Do you believe Santa Claus
exists, or do you believe he doesn't exist?
qwerty
2003-12-02 22:31:25 UTC
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No, because Atheism is specifically disbelief in God. Atheism isn't a
faith
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belief in Bart Simpson, you see. Rather, Atheism is a faith belief
that
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God
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"doesn't exist".
No, moron, it is no different than not believing in Santa Claus.
So, you pathetic Atheist asshole, do you believe Santa Claus exists, or
do
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you believe he doesn't exist?
I don't believe in Santa Claus - End of story. Deal with it, you
foul-mouthed
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baboon.
Now answer the question, Atheist asshole. Do you believe Santa Claus
exists, or do you believe he doesn't exist?
Is not believing in Santa Claus a religon?
Maverick
2003-12-02 05:28:19 UTC
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IF ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION, THEN THEISM IS NOT A
RELIGION
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You're wrong.
No, he's correct.
Do you believe that Bart Simpson is real and the creator of all
things?
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No, do you?
No, is that disbelief a religion?
Yes, because Atheism is specifically disbelief in God.
LOL, so not believing Bart Simpson is real and the creator is a religion?
No, because Atheism is specifically disbelief in God. Atheism isn't
a faith belief in Bart Simpson, you see. Rather, Atheism is a faith
belief that God "doesn't exist".
Hm, I didn't expect to find this "discussion" the next morning. After
all, we atheists know that atheism is the lack of belief in god or gods
(although if Bart did exist the commandments would be funny, something
like "Thou shalt eat my shorts" and similar). I would love if you could
tell us why there are still so many people who believe that atheism is
faith and a religion when it's not. What is your argument? None? How
surprising.
Robibnikoff
2003-12-02 17:15:49 UTC
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In article <jOQyb.385096$***@attbi_s03>, BW says...
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No, because Atheism is specifically disbelief in God.
Wrong.

Atheism isn't a faith
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belief in Bart Simpson, you see. Rather, Atheism is a faith belief that God
"doesn't exist".
Wrong. Why are you speaking for atheists?

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BW
2003-12-02 17:21:46 UTC
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No, because Atheism is specifically disbelief in God.
Wrong.
Nope. Correct.
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Atheism isn't a faith
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belief in Bart Simpson, you see. Rather, Atheism is a faith belief that God
"doesn't exist".
Wrong. Why are you speaking for atheists?
Nope, correct. Atheism is the faith belief that God "doesn't exist". But
I'm not speaking for Atheists. But neither do Atheists suddenly get to
redefine what Atheism is, you see.
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