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AlleyCat
2024-04-16 12:26:15 UTC
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Antarctica Is Colder, Icier Today Than At Any Time In 5,000 Years

More evidence emerges that Antarctica has undergone rapid glacier and sea ice
expansion in recent centuries, in line with the long-term and recent Antarctic
cooling trend. [emphasis, links added]

West Antarctica's mean annual surface temperatures cooled by more than -1.8°C
(-0.93°C per decade) from 1999-2018 (Zhang et al., 2023).

Not just West Antarctica, but most of the continent also has cooled by more
than 1°C in the 21st century. See, for example, the ~1°C per decade cooling
trend for East Antarctica (2000 to 2018) shown in Fig. ES1 (right).
Image Source: Zhang et al., 2023

According to a new study, about 6,000 years ago Antarctica's Collins Glacier's
frontline was a full 1 km southwest of its current extent. The frontline
advanced to today's extent ~5,000 years ago.

"Previous studies proposed that 6,000?yr BP [Before The Present Era], the
frontline position of the Collins Glacier was located 1?km further southwest
than the present and that the current frontline was first attained at
approximately 5,000?yr BP."

The glacier then continuously retreated south of the modern extent for another
4,000 years, with peak ice loss 1,000 years ago (as shown in the 1,000-year
"Proglacial lake environment" image).

In the last 1,000 years, this glacier has rapidly re-advanced back to the
glaciated extent from 5,000 years ago, which is in line with the sustained
cooling trend ongoing since the Medieval Warm Period.
Image Source: Piccini et al., 2024

Throughout the Holocene (Medieval Warm Period, Roman Warm Period, and earlier)
and until a few hundred years ago (from ~7,100 to 500 years before the
present), coastal Antarctica's Victoria Land (VLC) was substantially warmer
than today.

The Ross Sea was also sufficiently ice-free to allow for elephant seal
populations (as large as ~200,000 individuals) to thrive at 73-78°S.

Today, however, elephant seal populations - which require extended sea ice-free
sea waters to breed, forage, and provide nourishment for their pups - can no
longer subsist anywhere even remotely close to the coasts of the Antarctic
continent. It is now too cold and the sea ice is too extensive.

The substantially reduced number of remaining elephant seals existing today can
only survive on subantarctic islands (South Georgia, Macquarie) at southern
South American latitudes (~54.5°S) situated 2,400 kilometers north of VLC (Koch
et al., 2019).

The "genetically distinct" VLC elephant seal populations that endured
throughout the Holocene and even through Medieval times have tragically died
off in the last few centuries due to the modern-era cooling gradient and
subsequent ice cover expansion (Hall et al., 2023).

"Across all sites, there is a precipitous drop in the number and geographic
extent of the SES [southern elephant seals] remains within the last millennium"

"...the documented population crash and abandonment of the entire coast by SES
after ~1000-500 yr BP was due to return of heavy sea ice"

Image Source: Hall et al., 2023

And with the modern sea surface temperatures cooling and southern hemisphere
sea ice expansion in recent decades, even the subantarctic islands in the South
Pacific that SES are limited to occupying today may not be sufficiently warm
and ice-free to accommodate remaining populations.

Today's southern elephant seals are thus ironically threatened by cooling in
the era of anthropogenic global warming.

"[P]ack-ice expansion (both duration and extent) in the Ross Sea over the last
several decades has been linked to reduced female foraging in this region,
consequent low weaning weights and survival of pups, and ultimately the decline
of the Macquarie Island population."

Interestingly, Hall et al. also report that not only have the last few
centuries (including the present) been "the coldest, iciest conditions in the
post-glacial period" (see the blue sea ice and red temperature trend lines on
the Holocene timeline), but even the last glacial period had periods (~50,000
to 25,000 years ago) with less sea ice than today, allowing SES to occupy the
VLC coast.

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R Kym Horsell
2024-04-16 13:23:55 UTC
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Antarctica Is Colder, Icier Today Than At Any Time In 5,000 Years
More evidence emerges that Antarctica has undergone rapid glacier and sea ice
expansion in recent centuries, in line with the long-term and recent Antarctic
cooling trend. [emphasis, links added]
...

If there's anything that shows AGW is hapening its that the lower
atm is warming and the upper atm is (consequently) cooling.
Antarctica unlike most continents is mostly above 1000m and
50% above 2000m and 25% above 4000m. That means most of it hangs around
in the part of the atm that is subject to cooling.

So any genius that "discovers" this in 2020 has been asleep for the past century.

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UAH LT atm temp 3-10km
Period Avg (deg C rel 1980s)
(5y)
| 1975 | -0.360 | WARMING
| 1980 | -0.284 |
| 1985 | -0.279 |
| 1990 | -0.242 |
| 1995 | -0.035 |
| 2000 | -0.024 |
| 2005 | -0.046 |
| 2010 | 0.007 |
| 2015 | 0.242 |
| 2020 | 0.334 |

UAH LS atm temp 10-20km
Period Avg (deg C rel 1980s)
(5y)
| 1975 | 0.951 | COOLING
| 1980 | 0.884 |
| 1985 | 0.332 |
| 1990 | 0.593 |
| 1995 | -0.057 |
| 2000 | 0.018 |
| 2005 | -0.152 |
| 2010 | -0.097 |
| 2015 | -0.197 |
| 2020 | -0.191 |

Antartic summer (Dec-Feb) seaice extent (mns km2)
| 1975 | 9.903 | GOING DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN
| 1980 | 8.470 |
| 1985 | 8.634 |
| 1990 | 8.416 |
| 1995 | 8.556 |
| 2000 | 8.689 |
| 2005 | 8.770 |
| 2010 | 9.119 |
| 2015 | 7.994 |
| 2020 | 7.256 |
Lil-man-ball
2024-04-16 15:43:25 UTC
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Post by R Kym Horsell
If there's anything that shows AGW is hapening its that the lower
atm is warming and the upper atm is (consequently) cooling.
Nope, the real culprit is our rapidly weakening magnetosphere - that is
the sun shade of our climate system.

Here's the collapsing magnetosphere proofs again...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field#/media/File:Geomagnetic_axial_dipole_strength.svg

Here's the other 250 year run chart, it's even worse!

https://twitter.com/CPoppino/status/1776384293268590834/photo/1

And:

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Now we're seeing a 9,000 year run!

Mercy!

This is what happens when the planet regularly loses it's "sun shade".
And the best/worst is yet to come - enjoy!

;-)))))
AlleyCat
2024-04-16 16:37:32 UTC
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If there's anything that shows AGW is hapening its that the lower
atm is warming and the upper atm is (consequently) cooling.
Antarctica unlike most continents is mostly above 1000m and
50% above 2000m and 25% above 4000m. That means most of it hangs around
in the part of the atm that is subject to cooling.
I'm so glad you said that, Mr. I'm-Not-a-Climatologist, But-I-Know-Those-Who
Are-And-Know-What-They're-Talking-About

Why do we suppose that carbon dioxide is responsible for our changing climate?
CO2 forms only a very small part of the Earth's atmosphere. In fact, we measure
changes in the level of atmospheric CO2 in tens of parts per million.

If you take CO2 as a percentage of all the gases in the atmosphere, the oxygen,
the nitrogen, and argon and so on, it's 0.054%. It's an incredibly small
portion. And then, of course, you've got to take that portion that supposedly
humans are adding, which is the focus of all the concern, and it gets even
smaller.

Although CO2 is a greenhouse gas, greenhouse gases themselves only form a small
part of the atmosphere. What's more, CO2 is a relatively minor greenhouse gas.

The atmosphere is made up of a multitude of gases. A small percentage of them
we call greenhouse gases. And of that very small percentage of greenhouse
gases, 95% of it is water vapor. It's the most important greenhouse gas.

Water vapor is a greenhouse gas, by far the most important greenhouse gas.

So is there any way of checking whether the recent warming was due to an
increase in greenhouse gas? There is only one way to tell, and that is to look
up in the sky, or a part of the sky known to scientists as the troposphere.

If it's greenhouse warming, you get more warming in the middle of the
troposphere, the first 10-12 kilometers of the atmosphere, than you do at the
surface. There are good theoretical reasons for that, having to do with how the
greenhouse works.

And it's here, according to the climate models, that the rate of warming should
be highest, if it's greenhouse gas that's causing it.

All the models, every one of them, calculates that the warming should be faster
as you go up from the surface into the atmosphere. And in fact, the maximum
warming over the equator should take place at an altitude of about 10
kilometers.

A scientist largely responsible for measuring the temperature in the Earth's
atmosphere is Professor John Christie. In 1991, he was awarded NASA's Medal for
Exceptional Scientific Achievement, and in 1996, received a special award from
the American Meteorological Society for fundamentally advancing our ability to
monitor climate. He was a lead author on the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change, or IPCC. There are two ways to take the temperature in the
Earth's atmosphere, satellites and weather balloons.

What we found consistently is that in a great part of the planet, that the bulk
of the atmosphere is not warming as much as we see at the surface in this
region. And that's a real head-scratcher for us because the theory is pretty
straightforward, and the theory says that if the surface warms, the upper
atmosphere should warm rapidly. The rise in temperature of that part of the
atmosphere is not very dramatic at all, and really does not match the theory
that climate models are expressing at this point.

One of the problems that is plaguing the models is that they predict that as
you go up through the atmosphere, except in the polar regions, that the rate of
warming increases. And it's quite clear from two data sets, not just satellite
data, which everybody talks about, but from weather balloon data, that you
don't see that effect. In fact, it looks like the surface temperatures are
warming slightly more than the upper air temperatures. That's a big difference.

That data gives you a handle on the fact that what you're seeing is warming
that probably is not due to greenhouse gases.

That is, the observations do not show an increase with altitude. In fact, most
observations show a slight decrease in the rate of warming with altitude. So in
a sense you can say that the hypothesis of man-made global warming is falsified
by the evidence.

So the recent warming of the Earth happened in the wrong place and at the wrong
time. Most of the warming took place in the early part of the 20th century and
occurred mostly at the Earth's surface. The very opposite of what should have
happened according to the theory of man-made global warming.


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THIS Is Why Chicken Shit Chicken Littles Screech About Climate And Weather And
Global Warbling:

The UN Makes it Official: Global Warming Hysteria Is All About Redistributing
Wealth

UN IPCC Official Admits 'We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy'

Global Study Reveals Wealth Redistribution From Blue-Carbon Ecosystems

Failed Climate Policies Are About Wealth Redistribution

"We Redistribute De Facto The World's Wealth By Climate Policy."

How Global Warming Has Made The Rich Richer
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20190502-how-global-warming-has-made-the-
rich-richer

The U.N.'s Global Warming War On Capitalism: An Important History Lesson
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/01/22/the-u-n-s-global-warming-war-
on-capitalism-an-important-history-lesson-2/?sh=4f89a2d429be

The Doha Wealth Redistribution Process Moves On
https://townhall.com/columnists/davidrothbard/2012/12/14/the-doha-wealth-
redistribution-process-moves-on-n1465410

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"There is no doubt, that we need to have a complete transformation... the
transformation of the economy, and that includes, of course, the private
sector."

A carbon tax will change NOTHING, other than the wealth of politicians and
countries who beg us for money. THAT was the purpose of the Paris Accord...
the ONLY purpose.

Funny... when the government no longer pays for bogus money-grabbing data, the
truth comes out.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."


"And we're like... the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address
climate change..."

AOC's Top Aide Admits Green New Deal About The Economy, Not Climate
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aocs-top-aide-admits-green-new-deal-
about-the-economy-not-the-climate

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff recently admitted that the Green
New Deal was not conceived as an effort to deal with climate change, but
instead a "how-do-you-change-the-entire economy thing" -- a remark likely to
fuel Republican claims that the deal is nothing more than a thinly veiled
socialist takeover of the U.S. economy. "The interesting thing about the Green
New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Saikat Chakrabarti
said in May, according to The Washington Post.

*****

UN Official Admits That Climate Change Used As A Ruse To Control The World's
Economy
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used-
un-promote-economic-agenda/

*****

"Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of-
climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/

*****

U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-
destroy-capitalism/

*****

Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-
admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

*****

United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax is to
Destroy Capitalism
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/donald-r-may/2015-02-
27/united-nations-official-admits-purpose-global-warming#.V-nGUOM1HmE
Lil-man-ball
2024-04-16 16:48:41 UTC
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*****
UN Official Admits That Climate Change Used As A Ruse To Control The
World's Economy
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used-
un-promote-economic-agenda/
*****
"Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of-
climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/
*****
U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-
destroy-capitalism/
*****
Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-
admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/
*****
United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax
is to Destroy Capitalism
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/donald-r-may/2015-02-
27/united-nations-official-admits-purpose-global-warming#.V-nGUOM1HmE
These are so true, so documented, and thank you for keeping them in
play.
R Kym Horsell
2024-04-17 07:25:24 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 13:23:55 -0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell says...
Post by R Kym Horsell
If there's anything that shows AGW is hapening its that the lower
atm is warming and the upper atm is (consequently) cooling.
Antarctica unlike most continents is mostly above 1000m and
50% above 2000m and 25% above 4000m. That means most of it hangs around
in the part of the atm that is subject to cooling.
I'm so glad you said that, Mr. I'm-Not-a-Climatologist, But-I-Know-Those-Who
Are-And-Know-What-They're-Talking-About
...

I only know how to analyze data.
Best ranking on kaggle was #189th out of 2 million scientists then
registered.

kaggle.com/kymhorsell1

Kinda characteristic that dimwits cain figga that out.
--
[Peeple dat cain lern nebba lern they prollim solbin stinks!]

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The Debrief, 13 Apr 2021
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can cause low-performers to overestimate their judgments during the
intuitive decision-making process.
According to the study published in the journal Frontiers in
Psychology on April 8, 2021, researchers found that persons with the
highest number of errors demonstrated the highest degree of
miscalibration, or overconfidence, in their actual performance on the
cognitive reflection test.
Lil-man-ball
2024-04-17 16:12:30 UTC
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I only know how to analyze data.
And yet the only "data" you're analyzing is urologic, true fact!

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