The Muslim Brotherhood President

It happens that Joe Cooper formulated :

Fox News is controlled by an Austrailian and a Saudi Muslim Prince who
believes in Sharia Law. Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele
Bachmann. And at least Ted Cruz is from Canada, not Kenya. Canadians
are smarter than us. God hates the USA so much that there's never been
a Pope from the USA. That says a lot. Not that there's a dearth of
priests who love to have sex with little boys, but that's another story
for another time.

But that's OK with me because they fly Old Glory and tell me what I
want to hear. Who said that Sharia Law as a Liberal idea? Did you
know that there are no faggots in Muslim countries because there are no
Republicans? It's true. Rush won't go to Saudi Arabia.

Bow before God and pray to him in the sky!!!

If you hate God, you just aint a 'meican.

Alwaleed owns the largest chunk of News Corp. stock outside the Murdoch
family. Shortly after his purchase of 5.5 percent of News Corp. voting
shares in 2005, Alwaleed gave a speech that made it clear just what he
had bought. As noted in The (U.K.) Guardian, Alwaleed told an audience
in Dubai that it took just one phone call to Rupert Murdoch --
"speaking not as a shareholder but as a viewer," Alwaleed said -- to
get the Fox News crawl reporting "Muslim riots" in France changed to
"civil riots."

This didn't make the "Muslim" riots go away, but Alwaleed managed to
fog our perception of them. With a phone call, the Saudi prince
eliminated the peculiarly Islamic character of the unprecedented French
street violence for both the viewers at home and, more significantly,
for the journalists behind the scenes. When little owner doesn't want
"Muslim" rioting identified and big owner agrees, it sets a marker for
employees. Alwaleed's stake, by the way, is now 7 percent.

We can only speculate on what other acts of influence this nephew of
the Saudi dictator might have since imposed on Fox News and other News
Corp. properties. (I have long argued that News Corp. should register
as a foreign agent, due to the stock owned by a senior member of the
Saudi ruling dynasty.) Alwaleed hasn't shared any other editorial
exploits with the public. But that opening act of eliminating key
information from News Corp.'s coverage of Islamic news might well have
set a pattern of omission.

Recently, such a pattern of omission in News Corp.'s coverage of the
Gore-Al Jazeera deal seems evident. I say "seems," because I can't be
entirely certain that I haven't missed something in my research. But
judging from online searches of news stories and audio transcripts, two
salient points are missing from at least the main body of News Corp.'s
coverage.

One is reference to the noticeable alignment of Al Jazeera with the
Muslim Brotherhood, the global Islamic movement whose motto is, "The
Koran is our law; jihad is our way; dying in the way of Allah is our
highest hope." The second (with an exception noted below) is reference
to Al Jazeera's superstar host and ideological lodestar, Yusuf
al-Qaradawi, a leading Muslim Brotherhood figure. The influence of
al-Qaradawi at the network and in Qatar -- where, according to Freedom
House's 2012 press report, it is against the law for journalists to
criticize the Qatari government, the ruling family or Islam -- can
hardly be overestimated.

Strange omission? This relationship between the Qatari-controlled
network and the Muslim Brotherhood organization has been observed for
years. Back in 2007, for example, Steven Stalinsky reported in The New
York Sun that various Arab commentators referred to Al Jazeera as "the
Muslim Brotherhood channel" and the like. What's more, reference to the
relationship appears at least in passing in coverage of the Gore deal
at mainstream media sites such as USA Today and the Seattle Times. More
discussion is available at some conservative outlets, including Rush
Limbaugh and The Blaze. (Searches at Breitbart and the Washington
Examiner, like News Corp. sites, yielded nothing on these same points.
Call it, perhaps, "the Fox effect.")

Given the rise of Muslim Brotherhood parties in the revolutions of the
so-called Arab Spring -- undeviatingly cheered on by Al Jazeera -- the
network's Muslim Brotherhood connection, which extends to Al Jazeera's
sponsors inside the Qatari ruling family, is a crucial point to miss.
Especially when it seems to be missed across the board.

The same goes for failing to mention Al Jazeera's leading personality,
Yusuf al-Qaradawi, in the Gore deal coverage. This longtime "spiritual
guide" of the Muslim Brotherhood hosts one of Al Jazeera's most popular
shows, "Sharia and Life." Among other poisonous pronouncements,
al-Qaradawi has called for Americans in Iraq and Israelis everywhere to
be targeted by terrorists ("martyrs") who would then find a place in
Islamic paradise. Given Al Gore's refusal to sell his network to Glenn
Beck's The Blaze TV due to political differences, Muslim Brother
Al-Qaradawi and his Shariah ideology become highly relevant. Then
again, maybe one man's news story is just another man's clipping on the
cutting-room floor.

Meanwhile, the one story I found in News Corp. coverage of the Gore
deal that mentions al-Qaradawi -- a column by Gordon Crovitz --
neglected to note al-Qaradawi's place in the Muslim Brotherhood.
Particularly given current events, this is a little like forgetting to
mention that Hermann Goring was in the Nazi Party.

Could normal editorial discretion or plain ignorance be at work here? I
suppose so. Still, there is that tie-in between News Corp. and the
House of Saud to consider, a partnership I find more troubling than
Gore's deal with the Qatari emirate. Not only does Alwaleed own a stake
in News Corp., Murdoch owns an even more substantial stake (18.97
percent) in Alwaleed's Arabic media company Rotana.

Within the Alwaleed-Murdoch-Rotana galaxy is a 24-hour-Islamic outlet
called Al Risala, which Alwaleed founded in 2006. The channel's
director and popular "tele-Islamist" is Tareq Al-Suwaidan, widely
reported to be a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Kuwait. The
station's "Supreme Advisory Committee" includes Abdullah Omar Naseef,
who, according to former federal prosecutor Andrew C. McCarthy, is "a
major Muslim Brotherhood figure" involved in the financing of al-Qaida.

Al Risala, then, would seem to fit right into the Al
Jazeera-Qaradawi-Muslim-Brotherhood lineup.

We know Alwaleed has influenced Fox editorial matters before. Could
that Alwaleed influence -- even his very presence - account for why
News Corp. hasn't hit harder on the Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaradawi
angles of the Gore-Jazeera deal?

Del Amitri

2013-10-12 23:24:40 UTC

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

Siri Cruise

2013-10-12 23:37:56 UTC

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it for a relevant mention, but for derogatory reference. Such
as 'Your welfare policy is as soulless as Michelle Bachmann's eyes.'

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Paid Maternity Leave NSA fodder Dirty Dozen 2 Bomb

Del Amitri

2013-10-12 23:42:39 UTC

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

2013-10-13 00:07:32 UTC

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage

While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 00:48:01 UTC

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect,

Fuck off and die.

Johnny Johnson

2013-10-13 07:51:18 UTC

In article <***@4ax.com>, the Obama-loving and
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian, and the reference was
inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack, "Godwin's Law" is most certainly
applicable:

Religious views of Adolf Hitler

Adolf Hitler was raised by an anticlerical, sceptic father and a devout
Catholic mother. Baptized and confirmed as a child in Austria, he ceased to
participate in the sacraments after childhood. In adulthood, Hitler became
disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking out and in trying to retain power
in Germany, he was prepared to restrain his radical instincts out of
political considerations. It is generally believed by historians that
Hitler's post war and long term goal was the eradication of Christianity in
Germany. Hitler appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian notion of
God, though various scholars consider his final religious position may have
been a form of deism. Others consider him "atheist". The question is debated.
During his early career, and for a variety of reasons, he made various
comments against non-Nazi atheistic (i.e. "Bolshevik") movements, and in
favour of so-called positive Christianity (a movement which purged
Christianity of its Jewish elements and instilled it with Nazi philosophy).
In private, confidantes such as Martin Bormann, Joseph Goebbels and Albert
Speer noted that he was hostile to Christianity (though Speer also wrote that
he never formally left the Church).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Ergo; both your and your fellow anonymously-posting VLILLLDM "Chine Bleu
Fuzzy Dice" ("Siri Cruise") have just proven that you two lost the argument
*and* your "credibility."

Congratulations! <snicker> :)

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

2013-10-13 12:08:14 UTC

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

Post by Johnny Johnson
Religious views of Adolf Hitler
Ergo; both your and your fellow anonymously-posting VLILLLDM "Chine Bleu
Fuzzy Dice" ("Siri Cruise") have just proven that you two lost the argument
*and* your "credibility."
Congratulations! <snicker> :)

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views

My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.

Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

Klaus Schadenfreude

2013-10-13 12:33:19 UTC

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.

Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.

He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 12:56:11 UTC

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
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Klaus Schadenfreude

2013-10-13 12:58:54 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.

Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 13:13:44 UTC

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

Of course it does. Hitler wasn't trying to eliminate Christianity as you cited:

"It is generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany."

His partnership with the Catholic Church proves your cite and those *historians*
both wrong. But thanks for playing.

JamesHutchinson

2013-10-13 13:31:14 UTC

"***@tor" wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

Of course it does. Hitler wasn't trying to eliminate Christianity as you
cited:

"It is generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany."

His partnership with the Catholic Church proves your cite and those
*historians*
both wrong. But thanks for playing.

#####

Lil' Adolf (your hero) was Jewish!
That's why you admire him for a reason even YOU can't contemplate!

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 14:11:47 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

"It is generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany."
His partnership with the Catholic Church proves your cite and those *historians*
both wrong. But thanks for playing.
#####
Lil' Adolf (your hero) was Jewish!
That's why you admire him for a reason even YOU can't contemplate!

Did I say I admired him? Don't think so. But I did say that he had a strong
alliance with the Catholic Church. It is well documented. But thanks for
playing.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2013-10-13 14:22:17 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

Did I say I admired him? Don't think so. But I did say that he had a strong
alliance with the Catholic Church.

Too bad we weren't discussing Hitler's alliances. We were discussing
whether or not he was a Christian, and it's well documented that he
was not.

But thanks for playing.

"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
©Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP

JamesHutchinson

2013-10-13 14:52:50 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

Did I say I admired him?

####
YES!

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 14:58:06 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

Did I say I admired him?
####
YES!

Grow up and get a life, ok?

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:37:19 UTC

Post by ***@tor
Did I say I admired him?

####
YES!

Grow up and get a life, ok?

Take your nazi swine self out of here, murderer.

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:33:22 UTC

Post by JamesHutchinson
Lil' Adolf (your hero) was Jewish!
That's why you admire him for a reason even YOU can't contemplate!

Did I say I admired him? Don't think so.

No, instead you chose to apologize for him, you nazi swine.

Post by ***@tor
But I did say that he had a strong
alliance with the Catholic Church. It is well documented. But thanks for
playing.

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He
views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of
the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be
destroyed."

Klaus Schadenfreude

2013-10-13 13:41:18 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL

That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

Are you this fucking stupid all the time, or are you putting on a
special show for us?

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 14:24:31 UTC

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

No it isn't. Stop building straw men:

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It
points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers,
recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them
and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In
boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which
tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive
out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion
I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that
He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow
myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and
justice."
Adolf Hitler, one decade before his rise to power in a speech in Münich

Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS
vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately
opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all
Goering and Goebbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a
member of the Catholic Church he said, although he had no real attachment to it.
And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide.

Extract from Inside the Third Reich, the memoir of Albert Speer

The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity.
It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the great Christian Confessions
in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren),
and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of
the State of today.[94]
-- Adolf Hitler - June 26, 1934

"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to
revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and
defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards
Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the
basis of national life."
---Adolf Hitler Feb 1, 1933

Seems your boy was a lock, stock and barrel Christian, Klaus.

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Are you this fucking stupid all the time, or are you putting on a
special show for us?

I'll hand your butt back to you now. Thanks for playing.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2013-10-13 14:23:55 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

Yeah, it's EXACTLY like that.

Post by ***@tor
"My feeling as a Christian [..]

OK, you really ARE this stupid.

LOL

Again, we're not discussing what Hitler SAID.

But please, feel free to continue your belief that Hitler worshipped a
Jew.

"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
©Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 14:34:40 UTC

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:23:55 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

Yeah, it's EXACTLY like that.

No, you are building a straw man. Stay on the point, loser.

Post by ***@tor
"My feeling as a Christian [..]

OK, you really ARE this stupid.
LOL

So you remove all of the quotes where he proclaims his Christianity in hopes
than no one else will see how stupid you look for debating this? Here they are
again:

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It
points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers,
recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them
and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In
boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which
tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive
out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion
I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that
He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow
myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and
justice."
Adolf Hitler, one decade before his rise to power in a speech in Münich

Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS
vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately
opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all
Goering and Goebbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a
member of the Catholic Church he said, although he had no real attachment to it.
And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide.

Extract from Inside the Third Reich, the memoir of Albert Speer

The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity.
It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the great Christian Confessions
in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren),
and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of
the State of today.[94]
-- Adolf Hitler - June 26, 1934

"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to
revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and
defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards
Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the
basis of national life."
---Adolf Hitler Feb 1, 1933

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Again, we're not discussing what Hitler SAID.

So you can continue to believe he wasn't a Christian even though he continually
stated such? ROFLMAO.

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
But please, feel free to continue your belief that Hitler worshipped a
Jew.

Did I say that? Nope. But thanks for playing.

Fred C. Dobbs

2013-10-13 14:40:06 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:23:55 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

Yeah, it's EXACTLY like that.

No, you are building a straw man. Stay on the point, loser.

Post by ***@tor
"My feeling as a Christian [..]

OK, you really ARE this stupid.
LOL

So you remove all of the quotes where he proclaims his Christianity

You dumb fucking cunt. Hitler was a "Christian" in exactly the same way
that the Nazis were "socialist": not at all, that is. It was cynical
opportunism. The Nazis made minimum use of Christianity to confront
atheistic Bolshevism; nothing more than that.

Hitler was not a Christian.

--
Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs.

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 14:57:17 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:23:55 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

Yeah, it's EXACTLY like that.

No, you are building a straw man. Stay on the point, loser.

Post by ***@tor
"My feeling as a Christian [..]

OK, you really ARE this stupid.
LOL

So you remove all of the quotes where he proclaims his Christianity

You dumb fucking cunt.

Nice try at debate, Spammy. Ad Hominem will never win you any points.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Hitler was a "Christian" in exactly the same way
that the Nazis were "socialist": not at all, that is.

Hmm. He was a member of the Catholic Church until he committed suicide, proudly
proclaimed his Christianity in may of his speeches, and regarded Christianity as
the foundation of his party's beliefs. So who should I believe, his words, or
that of a nym-changing useless usenet waste of space that calls me a cunt. Hmmm.
decisions, decisions. I'll go with his words. Sorry.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Hitler was not a Christian.

He was a registered member of the Catholic Church until his suicide. Officially
he was a Christian. He proudly proclaimed his Christianity, and stated it was
the foundation for his party's beliefs. Deep inside, who knows. He was in fact a
politician.

Fred C. Dobbs

2013-10-13 15:14:09 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:23:55 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

Yeah, it's EXACTLY like that.

No, you are building a straw man. Stay on the point, loser.

Post by ***@tor
"My feeling as a Christian [..]

OK, you really ARE this stupid.
LOL

So you remove all of the quotes where he proclaims his Christianity

You dumb fucking cunt.

Nice try

Good enough to kick your flabby pimply faggot ass.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Hitler was a "Christian" in exactly the same way
that the Nazis were "socialist": not at all, that is.

Hmm. He was a member of the Catholic Church

The church doesn't have membership rolls, you dumb cunt. He was
baptized Catholic in his youth, but he was never a practicing Catholic
in his adult life.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Hitler was not a Christian.

He was a registered member

No. No such thing.

--
Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs.

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 15:52:31 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:23:55 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

Yeah, it's EXACTLY like that.

No, you are building a straw man. Stay on the point, loser.

Post by ***@tor
"My feeling as a Christian [..]

OK, you really ARE this stupid.
LOL

So you remove all of the quotes where he proclaims his Christianity

You dumb fucking cunt.

Nice try

Good enough to kick your flabby pimply faggot ass.

Another usenet wimp who thinks he's big stuff. He bubba, mommy's calling. She
doesn't want you to use her computer anymore if you can't be nice.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Hitler was a "Christian" in exactly the same way
that the Nazis were "socialist": not at all, that is.

Hmm. He was a member of the Catholic Church

The church doesn't have membership rolls, you dumb cunt.

How incredibly stupid you are. Churches in Germany have registries:

Christianity in Germany has, since the Protestant Reformation, been divided into
Catholicism and Protestantism. As a specific outcome of the Reformation in
Germany, the large Protestant denominations are organized into Landeskirchen
(roughly: Federal Churches). The German word for denomination is Konfession. For
the large churches in Germany (Catholic and evangelisch i.e., Protestant ) the
German government collects the church tax, which is then given to the Churches.
For this reason, membership in the Catholic or Protestant (evangelische) Church
is officially registered. It is important to keep this official aspect in mind
when turning to such questions as the religious beliefs of Adolf Hitler or
Joseph Goebbels who were both ex-communicated Latae sententiae .[4] It is
apparent they were politically motivated. For this reason Historian Richard
Steigmann-Gall argues that "nominal church membership is a very unreliable gauge
of actual piety in this context"[5] and determining someone's actual religious
convictions should be based on other criteria.

He was registered with the Catholic Church as a member until his suicide. He was
ex-communicated Latae sententiae, more than likely for obvious reasons. Now
don't you feel stupid (don't worry, it goes well with your looks)?

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
He was
baptized Catholic in his youth, but he was never a practicing Catholic
in his adult life.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Hitler was not a Christian.

He was a registered member

No. No such thing.

Sorry, wrong you are. Now go and get a life, ok, and try to be a bit nicer on
Usenet.

Fred C. Dobbs

2013-10-13 15:59:29 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:23:55 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

Yeah, it's EXACTLY like that.

No, you are building a straw man. Stay on the point, loser.

Post by ***@tor
"My feeling as a Christian [..]

OK, you really ARE this stupid.
LOL

So you remove all of the quotes where he proclaims his Christianity

You dumb fucking cunt.

Nice try

Good enough to kick your flabby pimply faggot ass.

Another usenet wimp who

Fuck off, you squat-to-piss can't-fight faggot bitch.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Hitler was a "Christian" in exactly the same way
that the Nazis were "socialist": not at all, that is.

Hmm. He was a member of the Catholic Church

The church doesn't have membership rolls, you dumb cunt.

Find his registration. Post it here, you stupid fucking cunt.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
He was
baptized Catholic in his youth, but he was never a practicing Catholic
in his adult life.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Hitler was not a Christian.

He was a registered member

No. No such thing.

Sorry, wrong you are.

No.

Fuck off, you dumb queer.

--
Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs.

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 16:20:03 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:23:55 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

Yeah, it's EXACTLY like that.

No, you are building a straw man. Stay on the point, loser.

Post by ***@tor
"My feeling as a Christian [..]

OK, you really ARE this stupid.
LOL

So you remove all of the quotes where he proclaims his Christianity

You dumb fucking cunt.

Nice try

Good enough to kick your flabby pimply faggot ass.

Another usenet wimp who

Fuck off, you squat-to-piss can't-fight faggot bitch.

Welcome to the shitcan again, Spammy. Quick trip this time. Better have the doc
up the meds. You're starting to sound a bit like a chihuahua.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Hitler was a "Christian" in exactly the same way
that the Nazis were "socialist": not at all, that is.

Hmm. He was a member of the Catholic Church

The church doesn't have membership rolls, you dumb cunt.

Find his registration. Post it here, you stupid fucking cunt.

ROFLMAO. Find his registration? Write the nice people at the Bundestag in
Berlin. See if they send you a photostat. LOL.

He proudly stated such in many speeches, even as late as 1941 he told Gerhard
Engel, ome of his generals "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain
so."

Must suck to be you, Spammy.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
He was
baptized Catholic in his youth, but he was never a practicing Catholic
in his adult life.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Hitler was not a Christian.

He was a registered member

No. No such thing.

Sorry, wrong you are.

No.
Fuck off, you dumb queer.

Fred C. Dobbs

2013-10-13 16:22:12 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:23:55 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

Yeah, it's EXACTLY like that.

No, you are building a straw man. Stay on the point, loser.

Post by ***@tor
"My feeling as a Christian [..]

OK, you really ARE this stupid.
LOL

So you remove all of the quotes where he proclaims his Christianity

You dumb fucking cunt.

Nice try

Good enough to kick your flabby pimply faggot ass.

Another usenet wimp who

Fuck off, you squat-to-piss can't-fight faggot bitch.

Welcome to the shitcan again, Spammy. Quick trip this time. Better have the doc
up the meds. You're starting to sound a bit like a chihuahua.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Hitler was a "Christian" in exactly the same way
that the Nazis were "socialist": not at all, that is.

Hmm. He was a member of the Catholic Church

The church doesn't have membership rolls, you dumb cunt.

Find his registration. Post it here, you stupid fucking cunt.

ROFLMAO. Find his registration?

Yes, cuntflaps. Find it and post a link to it right here. Do it now,
bitch.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
He was
baptized Catholic in his youth, but he was never a practicing Catholic
in his adult life.

<CRICKETS>

Post *any* evidence that he attended church, took communion, gave
confession in his adult life. We're looking especially for evidence
after 1933, you dumb impotent cunt. Post it here - now.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Hitler was not a Christian.

He was a registered member

No. No such thing.

Sorry, wrong you are.

No.
Fuck off, you dumb queer.

--
Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2013-10-13 16:55:06 UTC

Post by ***@tor
He proudly stated such in many speeches, even as late as 1941 he told Gerhard
Engel, ome of his generals "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain
so."

ROFLMAO

Baptized and confirmed as a child in Austria, he ceased to participate
in the sacraments after childhood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Hitler moved to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a
Reich concordat with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the
Catholic Church in Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the
treaty..
ibid

"Hitler's relationship in public to Christianity - indeed his
relationship to religion in general - was opportunistic. There is no
evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any
individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church".
Laurence Rees; The Dark Charisma of Adolf Hitler; Ebury Press; 2012;
p135

But then, I bet you're a Hopey Changy kinda guy, too, huh?

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:39:40 UTC

Post by ***@tor
Now go and get a life, ok, and try to be a bit nicer on
Usenet.

Says the evil vermin who defends Hitler...

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He
views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of
the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be
destroyed."

Johnny Johnson

2013-10-13 15:48:00 UTC

In article <***@4ax.com>, ***@tor.com
says...

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:40:06 -0700, "Fred C. Dobbs"

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Hitler was a "Christian" in exactly the same way
that the Nazis were "socialist": not at all, that is.

Hmm. He was a member of the Catholic Church until he committed
suicide, proudly proclaimed his Christianity in may of his speeches,
and regarded Christianity as the foundation of his party's beliefs.
So who should I believe, his words, or that of a nym-changing useless
usenet waste of space that calls me a cunt.
Hmmm.
decisions, decisions. I'll go with his words. Sorry.

Was Hitler Catholic?
by CE Editors on November 21, 2002

Dear Catholic Exchange:

I had a very interesting conversation with a Jehovah's Witness who came to my
door the other day. She claimed Hitler was Catholic. She stated it could be
proved by the "fact" of his excommunication in 1965! I explained to her that
excommunication after death is a moot point, and I wanted to see her sources,
which she could not supply. However, the thought interests me. I know
thousands, if not millions, of Catholics died in concentration camps due to
Hitler's hatred, but was he ever a member of any religious group?

God bless,
Julie Burnside

Dear Ms. Burnside,

Peace in Christ! I hope this response will adequately address your question.

It is true Hitler was born to Catholic parents. His father was reported to be
lukewarm in his faith, but his mother was very devout. Adolf Hitler was
confirmed in 1904, but did not often attend Mass. The question is not whether
Hitler was a Catholic, but whether he practiced the Catholic faith and if his
lifestyle accurately represented Catholicism. Clearly, the answer to that
question is "no."

Hitler was not a faithful son of the Church, docile to her teaching, but
rather looked at the Church in a way that served his own ends. For example,
in his Mein Kampf, he makes reference to the Catholic Church, because he
perceived the Church to be a blueprint for the totalitarian state he wished
to create. It is absurd to construe Hitler's political delusions as an
indictment against the Church.

Hitler's Nazism was fully contrary to the Church. When this was recognized
and condemned by the bishops in Germany, Hitler's response to the bishops was
to send all the Jewish Catholics he could find to the death camps. This move
of Hitler claimed the lives of hundreds, including St. Teresa Benedicta of
the Cross, a.k.a., Edith Stein.

Further, in spite of the denials of some, it is well known and thoroughly
documented that Pope Pius XII was responsible for saving the lives of
thousands of Jews.

The Jehovah's Witness who came to your door claiming that the [alleged]
excommunication of Hitler proves he was a Catholic should consider a few
lines of thought: (1) It is no historical secret that Hitler was baptized and
confirmed as a Catholic. Anyone who is at all familiar with the history of
Adolf Hitler knows this. An alleged excommunication after his death (which,
as you noted, does not happen) is not needed to "prove" he was Catholic. The
real question is whether Hitler persevered in the faith of his baptism or
turned from it. The historical record clearly shows that Hitler, in both word
and deed, repudiated the faith of his baptism, so Hitler's "Catholicism" is a
non-issue. (2) An organization is not judged by the most evil of its members.
Even Jesus had Judas. One may suspect that the Jehovah's Witnesses have had
their own share of leaders with moral failures. They would not, however, wish
that their faith be judged as false on the basis of these fallen leaders. (3)
To point out the obvious: a person is excommunicated from the Catholic Church
precisely because he does not represent the Church or her teachings in
thought, word, or deed. It would seem that on this point (i.e., Hitler was a
bad guy) the Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witnesses agree.

I hope this answers your question. If you have further questions on this or
would like more information about Catholics United for the Faith, please
contact us at 1-800-MY-FAITH (693-2484). Please keep us in your prayers as we
endeavor to "support, defend, and advance the efforts of the teaching
Church."

United in the Faith,
David E. Utsler
Information Specialist
Catholics United for the Faith
827 North Fourth Street
Steubenville, OH 43952
800-MY-FAITH (800-693-2484)

http://catholicexchange.com/was-hitler-catholic/

Sorry, ModMan.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2013-10-13 16:13:02 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:23:55 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

Yeah, it's EXACTLY like that.

No, you are building a straw man. Stay on the point, loser.

Post by ***@tor
"My feeling as a Christian [..]

OK, you really ARE this stupid.
LOL

So you remove all of the quotes where he proclaims his Christianity

You dumb fucking cunt.

Nice try at debate, Spammy.

Yet he's spot on.

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:36:49 UTC

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Hitler was not a Christian.

He was a registered member of the Catholic Church until his suicide.

Are you going to ruin the rest of your credibility fronting for Hitler
all day?

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He
views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of
the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be
destroyed."

Klaus Schadenfreude

2013-10-13 16:12:22 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:23:55 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

Yeah, it's EXACTLY like that.

No, you are building a straw man. Stay on the point, loser.

No, you are

(a) too stupid to know what a straw man is and
(b) too stupid to understand that politicians say things they don't
believe.

Pretty simple.

Post by ***@tor
"My feeling as a Christian [..]

OK, you really ARE this stupid.
LOL

So you remove all of the quotes where he proclaims his Christianity

Because-- once again- you are too stupid to understand that he was not
a Christian, did not worship a Jew, and it doesn't matter what he
SAID.

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Again, we're not discussing what Hitler SAID.

So you can continue to believe he wasn't a Christian even though he continually
stated such? ROFLMAO.

Yes, it's stupid that you continue to proclaim that you believe Hitler
was telling the truth.

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
But please, feel free to continue your belief that Hitler worshipped a
Jew.

Did I say that? Nope.

Yup.

That's EXACTLY what you said.

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:35:36 UTC

Post by ***@tor
So you can continue to believe he wasn't a Christian even though he continually
stated such? ROFLMAO.

Can't believe YOU choose to believe Hitler of all swine, wow.

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He
views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of
the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be
destroyed."

Siri Cruise

2013-10-13 14:48:24 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It
points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers,
recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them
and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In
boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which
tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive
out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion
I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that
He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow
myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and
justice."
Adolf Hitler, one decade before his rise to power in a speech in Münich
Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS
vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately
opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all
Goering and Goebbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a
member of the Catholic Church he said, although he had no real attachment to it.
And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide.
Extract from Inside the Third Reich, the memoir of Albert Speer
The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity.
It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the great Christian Confessions
in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren),
and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of
the State of today.[94]
-- Adolf Hitler - June 26, 1934
"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to
revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and
defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards
Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the
basis of national life."
---Adolf Hitler Feb 1, 1933
Seems your boy was a lock, stock and barrel Christian, Klaus.

And Putin is a lock, stock, and barrel Christian as well.

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 14:59:26 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
Obama-loving and
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

And Putin is a lock, stock, and barrel Christian as well.

Interesting that many of the world's leaders have hidden behind religion as a
justification for their power. Many great examples in this country too.

Siri Cruise

2013-10-13 15:19:13 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
Obama-loving and
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

Post by Johnny Johnson
Religious views of Adolf Hitler
Ergo; both your and your fellow anonymously-posting VLILLLDM "Chine
Bleu
Fuzzy Dice" ("Siri Cruise") have just proven that you two lost the
argument
*and* your "credibility."
Congratulations! <snicker> :)

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It
points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers,
recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them
and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In
boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which
tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive
out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion
I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that
He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow
myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and
justice."
Adolf Hitler, one decade before his rise to power in a speech in Münich
Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and
the
SS
vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately
opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all
Goering and Goebbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a
member of the Catholic Church he said, although he had no real attachment
to
it.
And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide.
Extract from Inside the Third Reich, the memoir of Albert Speer
The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity.
It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the great Christian Confessions
in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren),
and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the
exigencies
of
the State of today.[94]
-- Adolf Hitler - June 26, 1934
"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to
revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will
preserve
and
defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards
Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the
basis of national life."
---Adolf Hitler Feb 1, 1933
Seems your boy was a lock, stock and barrel Christian, Klaus.

And Putin is a lock, stock, and barrel Christian as well.

Interesting that many of the world's leaders have hidden behind religion as a
justification for their power. Many great examples in this country too.

And according to you that means they are all devout members of those religions.

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 15:54:57 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
Obama-loving and
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility,
Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

Post by Johnny Johnson
Religious views of Adolf Hitler
Ergo; both your and your fellow anonymously-posting VLILLLDM "Chine
Bleu
Fuzzy Dice" ("Siri Cruise") have just proven that you two lost the
argument
*and* your "credibility."
Congratulations! <snicker> :)

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It
points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers,
recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them
and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In
boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which
tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive
out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion
I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that
He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow
myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and
justice."
Adolf Hitler, one decade before his rise to power in a speech in Münich
Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and
the
SS
vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately
opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all
Goering and Goebbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a
member of the Catholic Church he said, although he had no real attachment
to
it.
And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide.
Extract from Inside the Third Reich, the memoir of Albert Speer
The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity.
It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the great Christian Confessions
in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren),
and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the
exigencies
of
the State of today.[94]
-- Adolf Hitler - June 26, 1934
"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to
revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will
preserve
and
defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards
Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the
basis of national life."
---Adolf Hitler Feb 1, 1933
Seems your boy was a lock, stock and barrel Christian, Klaus.

And Putin is a lock, stock, and barrel Christian as well.

Interesting that many of the world's leaders have hidden behind religion as a
justification for their power. Many great examples in this country too.

And according to you that means they are all devout members of those religions.

Did I use the word devout? No. Stop trying to put words into my mouth. He was
officially a Christian, registered in Germany with the Catholic Church and
proudly proclaiming his religious beliefs in many a speech. The debate was
whether he was a Christian or not. I think there is more than substantial
evidence to say that he was. Devout? Subject for another thread.

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:40:15 UTC

Post by ***@tor
Did I use the word devout? No. Stop trying to put words into my mouth. He was
officially a Christian,

The apologist for Hitler rages on...

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He
views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of
the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be
destroyed."

Klaus Schadenfreude

2013-10-13 16:13:47 UTC

Post by ***@tor
Interesting that many of the world's leaders have hidden behind religion as a
justification for their power.

Interesting that you think they are all telling the truth.

Fred C. Dobbs

2013-10-13 16:16:42 UTC

Post by ***@tor
Interesting that many of the world's leaders have hidden behind religion as a
justification for their power.

Interesting that you think they are all telling the truth.

Or that they're doing any more than paying lip service to religion.

--
Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs.

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:37:52 UTC

Post by ***@tor
Interesting that many of the world's leaders have hidden behind religion as a
justification for their power. Many great examples in this country too.

Godwins law for you, nazi turd.

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He
views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of
the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be
destroyed."

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

2013-10-13 16:55:44 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 06:41:18 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
Obama-loving and
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

LOL
That's like saying the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact proves Hitler really
liked Russia.

And Putin is a lock, stock, and barrel Christian as well.

Yes, but of the Russian Orthodox variety.

Church should have more control over Russian life: Putin

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/01/us-russia-putin-church-idUSBRE91016F20130201

(Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Friday the Orthodox
Church should be given more say over family life, education and the
armed forces in Russia, as he celebrated the leadership of its head
Patriarch Kirill.

Faith runs deep in Russia after the fall of the officially atheist
Soviet Union and Putin has looked to the largest religion in Russia
for support since he began his third term as president after a wave of
protests against his rule.

He has also tried to mix spirituality with his own brand of patriotism
in order to unify the officially secular country where ethnic and
political fault lines are beginning to show.

"At the heart of all Russia's victories and achievements are
patriotism, faith and strength of spirit," Putin said in the Kremlin's
gold encrusted Alexeyevsky hall, celebrating the fourth anniversary of
Kirill's accession as patriarch.

Putin's relationship with the church has strengthened since band
members of protest punk band Pussy Riot entered Russia's Christ the
Saviour Church last year and sang a vulgarity-laced song, urging the
Virgin Mary to "throw Putin out".

Without giving specifics, Putin said a "vulgar" understanding of
secularism must be swept away to give the Church, and other religions,
control over more aspects of Russian life.

"While preserving the secular nature of our state, and not allowing
the over-involvement of the government in Church life, we need to get
away from the vulgar, primitive understanding of secularism," he said.

"The Russian Orthodox Church and other traditional religions should
get every opportunity to fully serve in such important fields as the
support of family and motherhood, the upbringing and education of
children, youth, social development, and to strengthen the patriotic
spirit of the armed forces."

ETHNIC TENSION

Putin has praised the Church's spiritual values in their own right but
he has also turned to religious understanding to counteract ethnic
tension in cities such as Moscow, which have large Muslim migrant
populations from the Caucasus Mountain region and Central Asia.

The Church in turn has praised Putin's leadership. Shortly before the
Pussy Riot performance, Kirill likened Putin's time in power to a
"miracle of God".

Putin was then prime minister and in the midst of a campaign for the
March 4 presidential vote.

The Church has also given its priests freer rein in politics,
establishing rules for the clergy seeking elected office despite
restrictions on almost all political activity by religious
authorities.

The Pussy Riot performance took place at the height of a protest
movement sparked by allegations of voting fraud during 2011
parliamentary elections. Holding regular protests, tens of thousands
of Russians aired grievances over problems in Putin's tightly
controlled top-down political system.

Many Russians however consider leaders of that movement as out of
touch with everyday problems outside of Moscow, where faith is
stronger and many were insulted by the Pussy Riot performance.

The pro-Kremlin United Russia party has proposed a law introducing
prison terms for offences against religious symbols and feelings of
believers

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:34:04 UTC

Post by ***@tor
Seems your boy was a lock, stock and barrel Christian, Klaus.

Seems your apologism for Hitler has ruined you forever here:

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He
views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of
the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be
destroyed."

Siri Cruise

2013-10-13 13:59:27 UTC

Post by ***@tor
"It is generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany."
His partnership with the Catholic Church proves your cite and those *historians*
both wrong. But thanks for playing.

So anyone who agrees to give a church more power in exchange for keeping the
population under control must be a devout follower of the church. I guess that
Putin was actually a secret Russian Orthodox follower even whilst running the
KGB.

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 14:25:57 UTC

Read some of his many quotes about Christianity and his belief. He did, however.
detest the hierarchy of the Catholic church.

Siri Cruise

2013-10-13 14:46:18 UTC

Read some of his many quotes about Christianity and his belief. He did, however.
detest the hierarchy of the Catholic church.

So why 'His partnership with the Catholic Church'?

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 14:50:59 UTC

Read some of his many quotes about Christianity and his belief. He did, however.
detest the hierarchy of the Catholic church.

So why 'His partnership with the Catholic Church'?

First of all, he was a member, up until his suicide. Suffice it to say, every
religion has their embarassments.

Siri Cruise

2013-10-13 14:49:52 UTC

Post by ***@tor
Of course it does. Hitler wasn't trying to eliminate Christianity as
you
"It is generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany."
His partnership with the Catholic Church proves your cite and those
*historians*
both wrong. But thanks for playing.

Read some of his many quotes about Christianity and his belief. He did, however.
detest the hierarchy of the Catholic church.

So why 'His partnership with the Catholic Church'?

First of all, he was a member, up until his suicide. Suffice it to say, every
religion has their embarassments.

He was member of a church he detested?

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 15:00:19 UTC

Read some of his many quotes about Christianity and his belief. He did, however.
detest the hierarchy of the Catholic church.

So why 'His partnership with the Catholic Church'?

First of all, he was a member, up until his suicide. Suffice it to say, every
religion has their embarassments.

He was member of a church he detested?

Look it up. He hated the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, but remained a member
until he committed suicide.

Siri Cruise

2013-10-13 15:17:59 UTC

Post by ***@tor
Of course it does. Hitler wasn't trying to eliminate Christianity as
you
"It is generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and
long
term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany."
His partnership with the Catholic Church proves your cite and those
*historians*
both wrong. But thanks for playing.

So anyone who agrees to give a church more power in exchange for
keeping
the
population under control must be a devout follower of the church. I
guess
that
Putin was actually a secret Russian Orthodox follower even whilst
running
the
KGB.

Read some of his many quotes about Christianity and his belief. He did,
however.
detest the hierarchy of the Catholic church.

So why 'His partnership with the Catholic Church'?

First of all, he was a member, up until his suicide. Suffice it to say, every
religion has their embarassments.

He was member of a church he detested?

Look it up. He hated the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, but remained a member
until he committed suicide.

How often did he take Communion or confess to a priest?

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 15:56:42 UTC

Post by ***@tor
Of course it does. Hitler wasn't trying to eliminate Christianity as
you
"It is generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and
long
term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany."
His partnership with the Catholic Church proves your cite and those
*historians*
both wrong. But thanks for playing.

So anyone who agrees to give a church more power in exchange for
keeping
the
population under control must be a devout follower of the church. I
guess
that
Putin was actually a secret Russian Orthodox follower even whilst
running
the
KGB.

Read some of his many quotes about Christianity and his belief. He did,
however.
detest the hierarchy of the Catholic church.

So why 'His partnership with the Catholic Church'?

First of all, he was a member, up until his suicide. Suffice it to say, every
religion has their embarassments.

He was member of a church he detested?

Look it up. He hated the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, but remained a member
until he committed suicide.

How often did he take Communion or confess to a priest?

What does that matter? There are plenty of people who are members of a church
but do not practice all of the religious rituals. Whether he prayed or
confessed, or took Communion, you might be able to find out on the net if you
look. Fact is he was an official member of the Catholic Church. In Germany one
registers their religion and pays church taxes which go to that religion. He was
registered, and thus assumed to have paid church taxes.

Fred C. Dobbs

2013-10-13 16:01:06 UTC

Post by ***@tor
Of course it does. Hitler wasn't trying to eliminate Christianity as
you
"It is generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and
long
term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany."
His partnership with the Catholic Church proves your cite and those
*historians*
both wrong. But thanks for playing.

So anyone who agrees to give a church more power in exchange for
keeping
the
population under control must be a devout follower of the church. I
guess
that
Putin was actually a secret Russian Orthodox follower even whilst
running
the
KGB.

Read some of his many quotes about Christianity and his belief. He did,
however.
detest the hierarchy of the Catholic church.

So why 'His partnership with the Catholic Church'?

First of all, he was a member, up until his suicide. Suffice it to say, every
religion has their embarassments.

He was member of a church he detested?

Look it up. He hated the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, but remained a member
until he committed suicide.

How often did he take Communion or confess to a priest?

What does that matter?

It matters. Catholics do both.

Post his "membership registration" right here, you stupid impotent
squat-to-piss no-fight faggot.

--
Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs.

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 16:09:01 UTC

Post by ***@tor
Of course it does. Hitler wasn't trying to eliminate Christianity as
you
"It is generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and
long
term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany."
His partnership with the Catholic Church proves your cite and those
*historians*
both wrong. But thanks for playing.

So anyone who agrees to give a church more power in exchange for
keeping
the
population under control must be a devout follower of the church. I
guess
that
Putin was actually a secret Russian Orthodox follower even whilst
running
the
KGB.

Read some of his many quotes about Christianity and his belief. He did,
however.
detest the hierarchy of the Catholic church.

So why 'His partnership with the Catholic Church'?

First of all, he was a member, up until his suicide. Suffice it to say, every
religion has their embarassments.

He was member of a church he detested?

Look it up. He hated the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, but remained a member
until he committed suicide.

How often did he take Communion or confess to a priest?

What does that matter?

It matters. Catholics do both.

So look online and see if he did. He was registered in Germany with the Catholic
Church, assumedly paid his church taxes (which went to the Catholic Church) and
was ex-communicated Latae sententiae. He was Catholic until he died. Must suck
to be you.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post his "membership registration" right here, you stupid impotent
squat-to-piss no-fight faggot.

Weak words from a limp dicked loser. Now piss off, Spammy.

Fred C. Dobbs

2013-10-13 16:15:37 UTC

Post by ***@tor
Of course it does. Hitler wasn't trying to eliminate Christianity as
you
"It is generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and
long
term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany."
His partnership with the Catholic Church proves your cite and those
*historians*
both wrong. But thanks for playing.

So anyone who agrees to give a church more power in exchange for
keeping
the
population under control must be a devout follower of the church. I
guess
that
Putin was actually a secret Russian Orthodox follower even whilst
running
the
KGB.

Read some of his many quotes about Christianity and his belief. He did,
however.
detest the hierarchy of the Catholic church.

So why 'His partnership with the Catholic Church'?

First of all, he was a member, up until his suicide. Suffice it to say, every
religion has their embarassments.

He was member of a church he detested?

Look it up. He hated the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, but remained a member
until he committed suicide.

How often did he take Communion or confess to a priest?

What does that matter?

It matters. Catholics do both.

So look online and see if he did.

*YOU* look online and see if he did, cunt. It's your claim.

Post by ***@tor
He was registered in Germany with the Catholic Church

Post his registration data right here, bitch.

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post his "membership registration" right here, you stupid impotent
squat-to-piss no-fight faggot.

Weak words from a

We accept your concession of defeat, you crawling shit-gobbling homo.

--
Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs.

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:41:45 UTC

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post his "membership registration" right here, you stupid impotent

Post by Fred C. Dobbs
squat-to-piss no-fight faggot.

Weak words from a limp dicked loser. Now piss off, Spammy.

Let's get this straight, everyone here is "Spammy", eh nazi swine?

You're so addled you have zero grip on reality anymore.

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He
views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of
the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be
destroyed."

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:40:50 UTC

Post by Siri Cruise
How often did he take Communion or confess to a priest?

Can we have an end to your nazi apologism now?

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He
views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of
the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be
destroyed."

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:38:23 UTC

Post by Siri Cruise
He was member of a church he detested?

Look it up. He hated the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, but remained a member
until he committed suicide.

Can't believe you're acting as his defense here, just wow.

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He
views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of
the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be
destroyed."

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:36:11 UTC

Post by Siri Cruise
So why 'His partnership with the Catholic Church'?

First of all, he was a member, up until his suicide. Suffice it to say, every
religion has their embarassments.

Which one suffers your presence, you Armenian turd-polisher?

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He
views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of
the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be
destroyed."

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:34:23 UTC

Post by Siri Cruise
So anyone who agrees to give a church more power in exchange for keeping the
population under control must be a devout follower of the church. I guess that
Putin was actually a secret Russian Orthodox follower even whilst running the
KGB.

Read some of his many quotes about Christianity and his belief.

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:30:33 UTC

Now you're apologizing for Hitler?!?!?!

Seriously???

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He
views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of
the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be
destroyed."

JamesHutchinson

2013-10-13 13:24:16 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
Obama-loving and
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.

Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.

######

Pardon my German....

"Wir haben Möglichkeiten, damit Sie glauben, dass das, was ich sage, ist
wahr, und dass ich ein Christ bin, und die Liebe der Juden zu töten, ich
bin!
Jesus war ein Jude .. Richtig?" <----- Adolf Hitler! )

***@tor?

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 14:30:45 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.
######
Pardon my German....
"Wir haben Möglichkeiten, damit Sie glauben, dass das, was ich sage, ist
wahr, und dass ich ein Christ bin, und die Liebe der Juden zu töten, ich
bin!
Jesus war ein Jude .. Richtig?" <----- Adolf Hitler! )

Hitler's Christianity is well documented in his speeches, both before and after
his rise to power. That doesn't mean he was a good Christian by our standards.
Like the Muslim extremists who can quote every verse of the Koran and use it as
justification for killing. BTW, do you have any idea what you quoted from
Hitler in German or did you just use Google translate to approximate? Just
curious.

JamesHutchinson

2013-10-13 14:51:08 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.
######
Pardon my German....
"Wir haben Möglichkeiten, damit Sie glauben, dass das, was ich sage, ist
wahr, und dass ich ein Christ bin, und die Liebe der Juden zu töten, ich
bin!
Jesus war ein Jude .. Richtig?" <----- Adolf Hitler! )

Hitler's Christianity is well documented in his speeches, both before and
after
his rise to power. That doesn't mean he was a good Christian by our
standards.
Like the Muslim extremists who can quote every verse of the Koran and use it
as
justification for killing. BTW, do you have any idea what you quoted from
Hitler in German or did you just use Google translate to approximate? Just
curious.

####
You just made a mockery of Hitler's claim to Christianity, and proved him to
a big retard.
Thanks for proving my point!

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 15:04:13 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct. Thanks for the confirmation.
######
Pardon my German....
"Wir haben Möglichkeiten, damit Sie glauben, dass das, was ich sage, ist
wahr, und dass ich ein Christ bin, und die Liebe der Juden zu töten, ich
bin!
Jesus war ein Jude .. Richtig?" <----- Adolf Hitler! )

And Jesus was a Socialist before the term became popular. Does that mean that
all of the Rightards who hide behind their religion are closet Socialists? The
debate is whether Hitler was a Christian or not. He was registered in the
Catholic Church until he committed suicide, procalimed his Chirstianity in many
of his speeches, and said that Christianity was the foundation of his party's
beliefs. Seems he was a Chrsitian, just an extremely misguided one.

JamesHutchinson

2013-10-13 15:15:44 UTC

Post by JamesHutchinson
####
You just made a mockery of Hitler's claim to Christianity, and proved him to
a big retard.
Thanks for proving my point!

And Jesus was a Socialist before the term became popular. Does that mean
that
all of the Rightards who hide behind their religion are closet Socialists?
The
debate is whether Hitler was a Christian or not. He was registered in the
Catholic Church until he committed suicide, procalimed his Chirstianity in
many
of his speeches, and said that Christianity was the foundation of his
party's
beliefs. Seems he was a Chrsitian, just an extremely misguided one.

######
Bwaaaahahahaaaa!

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:39:07 UTC

Post by ***@tor
And Jesus was a Socialist before the term became popular.

Bullshit revsionist libitardia.

You have ZERO credibility, nazi swine.

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:34:55 UTC

Post by ***@tor
Hitler's Christianity is well documented in his speeches, both before and after
his rise to power.

Can't believe you chose to defend him, wow...

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id2.html

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

"The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He
views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of
the Jewish race... Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be
destroyed."

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

2013-10-13 16:30:15 UTC

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct.

Did you even look at it?

That Hitler regarded Christianity as "the foundation of our national
morality " refutes everything you said.

He was a Christian..get over it.

Fred C. Dobbs

2013-10-13 16:37:22 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct.

Did you even look at it?
That Hitler regarded Christianity as "the foundation of our national
morality " refutes everything you said.

Doesn't refute a thing.

Hitler wasn't Christian, and he wasn't "a" Christian. He made cynical
use of Christianity in the same way Obama makes cynical use of
ostensibly being black. Obama is no blacker culturally than Dick Cheney.

--
Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs.

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 16:43:44 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct.

Did you even look at it?
That Hitler regarded Christianity as "the foundation of our national
morality " refutes everything you said.
He was a Christian..get over it.

Klaus ist ein Dummkopf. He's too stupid to know when he is wrong.

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so,"
---Adolf Hitler told Gerhard Engel, one of his generals, in 1941.

Must suck to be Klaus. Hitler was wrong as well though. As soon as he committed
suicide, the church ex-communicated him.

Fred C. Dobbs

2013-10-13 16:47:47 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct.

Did you even look at it?
That Hitler regarded Christianity as "the foundation of our national
morality " refutes everything you said.
He was a Christian..get over it.

No.

Post by ***@tor
Klaus ist ein Dummkopf.

Klaus wiping the floor with you - or maybe wiping his ass with you.

You don't read, speak or write German. Fuck off, cunt.

--
Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2013-10-13 16:57:16 UTC

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:30:15 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct.

Did you even look at it?
That Hitler regarded Christianity as "the foundation of our national
morality " refutes everything you said.

No.

"Hitler's relationship in public to Christianity - indeed his
relationship to religion in general - was opportunistic. There is no
evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any
individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church"

Laurence Rees; The Dark Charisma of Adolf Hitler; Ebury Press; 2012;
p135

Post by ***@tor
He was a Christian..get over it.

No. But he certainly told people he was. And since you're of low
intelligence, you believe what he says.

Moder@tor

2013-10-13 17:42:57 UTC

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:57:16 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:30:15 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct.

Did you even look at it?
That Hitler regarded Christianity as "the foundation of our national
morality " refutes everything you said.

No.
"Hitler's relationship in public to Christianity - indeed his
relationship to religion in general - was opportunistic. There is no
evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any
individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church"

You mean other than being Baptised, attending a monastery school, being an altar
boy in the Church, being confirmed or enacting doctrines of the Catholic church
as law? You mean other than these and many other individual and public acts?
ROFLMAO. You really are a moron, Klaus. Admit you had your ass handed to you on
this one. Oh yeah, and he was registered with the German Catholic Church and
paid church taxes. If he didn't believe in the church, he didn't have to do
that, loser.

Fred C. Dobbs

2013-10-13 18:28:57 UTC

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:57:16 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:30:15 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by ***@tor
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:33:19 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 05:08:14 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

No, but it's news to you.

Post by Johnny Johnson
and the reference was inserted as a back-handed ad hominem attack,

So you claim,but it was a simple statement of truth.
No, Hitler was a Christian fascist just like Bachmann

No, he wasn't.

No, actually you have proved you don't know that Hitler was a
Christian
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize
more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He
had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice

In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking
out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to
restrain his radical instincts out of political considerations. It is
generally believed by historians that Hitler's post war and long term
goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany.[1][2] Hitler
appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
In his semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf, Hitler makes religious
allusions, but declares himself neutral in sectarian matters and
supportive of the separation between church and state, while
criticising political Catholicism. He presents a nihilistic vision, in
which the universe is ordered around principles of struggle between
weak and strong, rather than on conventional Christian notions long
prominent in Germany. While campaigning for office in the early 1930s,
Hitler offered moderate public statements on Christianity, promising
not to interfere with the churches if given power, and calling
Christianity the foundation of German morality. In power, the Hitler
regime conducted a protracted Struggle with the Churches. Hitler moved
to eliminate political Catholicism, while agreeing a Reich concordat
with the Holy See which promised autonomy for the Catholic Church in
Germany. Hitler then routinely violated the treaty, moved to close all
Catholic organisations that weren't strictly religious, and permitted
a persecution of the Catholic Church.
Like your ilk, Hitler liked to "redefine" Chrisitanity to fit his own
twisted beliefs.
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.
http://www.catholicarrogance.org/hitlersbishops.gif

Which doesn't refute a single thing I cited.
Once again, I'm correct.

Did you even look at it?
That Hitler regarded Christianity as "the foundation of our national
morality " refutes everything you said.

No.
"Hitler's relationship in public to Christianity - indeed his
relationship to religion in general - was opportunistic. There is no
evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any
individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church"

You mean other than being Baptised, attending a monastery school, being an altar
boy in the Church, being confirmed or enacting doctrines of the Catholic church
as law?

We mean that he left all that behind at a very young age. He was not a
practicing Catholic, and you know it.

Hitler was not Christian.

--
Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs.

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 18:32:22 UTC

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
He called himself a Christian, but he wasn't. Not even close. Just

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
like you call yourself an American.

Or maybe just like you call yourself correct.

Siri Cruise

2013-10-13 13:08:37 UTC

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views

Yes, because Hitler was always so truthful when speaking in public.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2013-10-13 13:11:01 UTC

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views

Yes, because Hitler was always so truthful when speaking in public.

And worshipped a Jew. Uh-huh.

George Plimpton

2013-10-13 14:28:40 UTC

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

Everything factual is news to you, Gooper:

Adolf Hitler was raised by an anticlerical, sceptic father and a
devout Catholic mother. Baptized and confirmed as a child in
Austria, he ceased to participate in the sacraments after
childhood. In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of
Christianity, but in seeking out and in trying to retain power in
Germany, he was prepared to restrain his radical instincts out of
political considerations. It is generally believed by historians
that Hitler's post war and long term goal was the eradication of
Christianity in Germany. Hitler appears not to have believed in
the Judeo-Christian notion of God, though various scholars
consider his final religious position may have been a form of
deism. Others consider him "atheist". The question is debated.
During his early career, and for a variety of reasons, he made
various comments against non-Nazi atheistic (i.e. "Bolshevik")
movements, and in favour of so-called positive Christianity (a
movement which purged Christianity of its Jewish elements and
instilled it with Nazi philosophy). In private, confidantes such
as Martin Bormann, Joseph Goebbels and Albert Speer noted that he
was hostile to Christianity (though Speer also wrote that he
never formally left the Church).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

You and facts are like oil and water, Gooper.

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

2013-10-13 16:46:54 UTC

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

Adolf Hitler was raised by an anticlerical, sceptic father and a
devout Catholic mother. Baptized and confirmed as a child in
Austria, he ceased to participate in the sacraments after
childhood. In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of
Christianity, but in seeking out and in trying to retain power in
Germany, he was prepared to restrain his radical instincts out of
political considerations. It is generally believed by historians
that Hitler's post war and long term goal was the eradication of
Christianity in Germany. Hitler appears not to have believed in
the Judeo-Christian notion of God, though various scholars
consider his final religious position may have been a form of
deism. Others consider him "atheist". The question is debated.
During his early career, and for a variety of reasons, he made
various comments against non-Nazi atheistic (i.e. "Bolshevik")
movements, and in favour of so-called positive Christianity (a
movement which purged Christianity of its Jewish elements and
instilled it with Nazi philosophy). In private, confidantes such
as Martin Bormann, Joseph Goebbels and Albert Speer noted that he
was hostile to Christianity (though Speer also wrote that he
never formally left the Church).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
You and facts are like oil and water, Gooper.

Hitler was a Catholic and remained one until his death.

I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.

( Adolf Hitler, from John Toland [Pulitzer Prize winner], Adolf
Hitler, New York: Anchor Publishing, 1992, p. 507. )

The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in
his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially
of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word
be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and
their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the
Lord's creation, the divine will.

( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner
Books, 1999, p. 562. )

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of
the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am
fighting for the work of the Lord.

( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner
Books, 1999, p. 65. )

George Plimpton

2013-10-13 16:52:12 UTC

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

Hitler was a Catholic and remained one until his death.

Hitler was baptized a Catholic in his youth - *very* early on. As an
adult, he never attended Mass, never took communion, never gave
confession. He was not a practicing Catholic in any way. He was not a
Christian.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2013-10-13 16:57:47 UTC

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:46:54 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

Hitler was a Catholic and remained one until his death.

No. He stopped when he was a child.

George Plimpton

2013-10-13 17:01:06 UTC

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:51:18 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Johnny Johnson
NRA- and gun rights-hating VLILLLDM Sheila Bryant, posting as
"GOP_Decline_and_Fall"

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it

Sorry, too late now.

Incorrect, you abuse Godwin's Law like you abuse everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law#Corollaries_and_usage
While falling afoul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual
making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's
law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as
censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as
hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually
appropriate.

Well, Sheila; since Hitler was *not* a Christian,

That would have been news to Hitler.

Hitler was a Catholic and remained one until his death.

Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were
Protestants, and two were Roman Catholics (D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons).
Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28
were Church of England (or Episcopalian, after the American
Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were
Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two
were Methodists.

I guess the US *is* a Christian nation, after all - its founders were
all Christian. And here the atheists had persuaded me it isn't...

Guy Fawkes

2013-10-12 23:56:07 UTC

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it for a relevant mention, but for derogatory
reference. Such as 'Your welfare policy is as soulless as Michelle
Bachmann's eyes.'

I really love the persoanl attacks. It reinforces that you have nothing
relevant to contribute. You will most likely be terminated as a waste of
resources.

--
There is no court for his crimes.

"V"

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

2013-10-13 00:22:56 UTC

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:56:07 +0000 (UTC), Guy Fawkes

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it for a relevant mention, but for derogatory
reference. Such as 'Your welfare policy is as soulless as Michelle
Bachmann's eyes.'

I really love the persoanl attacks.

Yes we have noticed you do little else.

Post by Guy Fawkes
It reinforces that you have nothing
relevant to contribute.

Good self-assessment.

Post by Guy Fawkes
You will most likely be terminated as a waste of
resources.

Just go and get help.

Take a print out of your posts to a competent psychiatrist.

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 00:49:57 UTC

Post by GOP_Decline_and_Fall
Take a print out of your posts to a competent psychiatrist.

Ram an icepick up your nose.

Siri Cruise

2013-10-13 00:30:46 UTC

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it for a relevant mention, but for derogatory
reference. Such as 'Your welfare policy is as soulless as Michelle
Bachmann's eyes.'

I really love the persoanl attacks. It reinforces that you have nothing
relevant to contribute. You will most likely be terminated as a waste of
resources.

Hmmm. So you think it's terrible behaviour to mock a person, but it's okay to
wish a person to be murderred. That's an interesting morality you have.

No, I don't wish you murderred. If a human body is a temple, murder is sacrilege.

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 00:50:35 UTC

Post by Siri Cruise
If a human body is a temple, murder is sacrilege.
--

Hint - it's not, it's just a vessel.

Guy Fawkes

2013-10-13 04:37:24 UTC

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it for a relevant mention, but for derogatory
reference. Such as 'Your welfare policy is as soulless as Michelle
Bachmann's eyes.'

I really love the persoanl attacks. It reinforces that you have nothing
relevant to contribute. You will most likely be terminated as a waste
of resources.

Hmmm. So you think it's terrible behaviour to mock a person, but it's
okay to wish a person to be murderred. That's an interesting morality
you have.
No, I don't wish you murderred. If a human body is a temple, murder is sacrilege.

Tell that to the aborted babies, ghoul.

--
There is no court for his crimes.

"V"

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 00:48:39 UTC

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it for a relevant mention, but for derogatory
reference. Such as 'Your welfare policy is as soulless as Michelle
Bachmann's eyes.'

I really love the persoanl attacks. It reinforces that you have nothing
relevant to contribute. You will most likely be terminated as a waste of
resources.

The Great Cull?

Guy Fawkes

2013-10-13 04:37:57 UTC

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

You can't invoke it for a relevant mention, but for derogatory
reference. Such as 'Your welfare policy is as soulless as Michelle
Bachmann's eyes.'

I really love the persoanl attacks. It reinforces that you have nothing
relevant to contribute. You will most likely be terminated as a waste of
resources.

The Great Cull?

The Great Purification.

--
There is no court for his crimes.

"V"

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

2013-10-13 00:11:14 UTC

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

The odiousness of the distorted Godwins Law

http://www.salon.com/2010/07/01/godwin/

Prohibitions that arose from German aggression were meant to be
applied, not shrouded with a code of silence

Del Amitri

2013-10-13 00:48:18 UTC

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

The odiousness

Yes, now fuck off and die.

Johnny Johnson

2013-10-13 07:39:41 UTC

Hitler was a Christian, just like Michele Bachmann.

Godwin's law.

Not only that:

Michele Bachmann on her love for Israel, and considering herself Jewish
by Jenna Mitelman March 24, 2010

"I have been a long time supporter of Israel. The first time I went to Israel
was the day I graduated from high school. I spent a summer working on Kibbutz
Be?eri near Beer Sheva in 1974. I've been 4 times in Israel --- 3 times as a
Member of Congress. I loved Israel --- from the moment I first landed.

As a young girl from Anoka, I was shocked at the level of security in Israel.

We worked on the kibbutz from 4 am to noon. We were always accompanied by
soldiers with machine guns. While we were working, the soldiers were walking
around looking for land mines. I really learned a lot in Israel.

I was delighted to go back as a Member of Congress, and see all the changes.
To see how it has developed - it is nothing short of a miracle! To see a rose
bloom in the desert. In 60 years, Israel has achieved first world, or nearly
first world, status.

I am honored to be in a position where I can help Israel. I have a tremendous
love for Israel, and great admiration for the Israeli people. I am a
Christian, but I consider my heritage Jewish, because it is the foundation,
the roots of my faith as a Christian.

http://tcjewfolk.com/michele-bachmann-israel/

and:

Religious views of Adolf Hitler

Adolf Hitler was raised by an anticlerical, sceptic father and a devout
Catholic mother. Baptized and confirmed as a child in Austria, he ceased to
participate in the sacraments after childhood. In adulthood, Hitler became
disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking out and in trying to retain power
in Germany, he was prepared to restrain his radical instincts out of
political considerations. It is generally believed by historians that
Hitler's post war and long term goal was the eradication of Christianity in
Germany. Hitler appears not to have believed in the Judeo-Christian notion of
God, though various scholars consider his final religious position may have
been a form of deism. Others consider him "atheist". The question is debated.
During his early career, and for a variety of reasons, he made various
comments against non-Nazi atheistic (i.e. "Bolshevik") movements, and in
favour of so-called positive Christianity (a movement which purged
Christianity of its Jewish elements and instilled it with Nazi philosophy).
In private, confidantes such as Martin Bormann, Joseph Goebbels and Albert
Speer noted that he was hostile to Christianity (though Speer also wrote that
he never formally left the Church).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Siri Cruise

2013-10-13 08:27:35 UTC

Post by Johnny Johnson
We worked on the kibbutz from 4 am to noon. We were always accompanied by
soldiers with machine guns. While we were working, the soldiers were walking
around looking for land mines. I really learned a lot in Israel.

...

Post by Johnny Johnson
I am honored to be in a position where I can help Israel. I have a tremendous
love for Israel, and great admiration for the Israeli people. I am a
Christian, but I consider my heritage Jewish, because it is the foundation,
the roots of my faith as a Christian.

Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly
they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people
pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree
bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad
fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good
fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will
recognize them.

So what does the fruit of Israel taste like to you?

http://www.jspace.com/news/articles/goan-official-calls-israeli-tourists-menace/1
0335

Guy Fawkes

2013-10-13 18:34:06 UTC