Air Force Receives Its First Electric Air Taxi - Too Bad Most Bases Are Farther Than 100 Miles Apart

[AlleyCat]

(new material included, so read it all. I know you will, since your low self-
esteem and narcissism will force you to... LOL)

*****

Air Force Receives Its First Electric Air Taxi - Too Bad Most Bases Are Farther
Than 100 Miles Apart

On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 21:57:57 -0500, Unum says...

and as far as 100 miles

https://i.imgur.com/yXzkcH7.mp4

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Are they going to use them to go to the local titty bars?

Sooooo... EVERY destination has to be less than about 90 miles, since NO ONE
wants to see how close to that 100 mile barrier they can get... riiiight?

Again, I'm all for EVs in any form, though you will NOT catch me in ANY
electric aircraft, as long as the PUBLIC taxpayer is not paying for these
PRIVATE companies to research and develop their product.

How many of US are going to be using these aircraft, yet, we're supposed to PAY
for them?

Go back to talking about the weather, uNumbnuts. It's a little harder to make
you look stupid talking about the weather, than it is talking about future EVA
crashes, which WILL happen, and set EVaircraft back a decade.

If YOU want to trust your life to a battery-operated flying vehicle... go
ahead... just send us video of your experiences.

=====

Busy day... hardly time to write, so there WILL be redundancy and mistakes.
But, the main focus is YOUR inability to research what YOU write.

You stop when you've found what you THINK is the only article EVER written,
that makes what UNUM said, a lie. I was quoting Unum, quoting the NY Times,
which DOES have the updated figures and data on the mileage of the EVa.

Conclusion: you failed once again to refute me, as usual.

=====

On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 09:57:22 -0700, Alan says...

On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 21:57:57 -0500, Unum says...

Sept. 25, 2023:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/25/business/air-force-joby-electric-air-
taxi.html

See the date? Your source has none, but articles listed at the bottom OF your
sourced site, does, and shows the mileage update. Read on, idiot.

Sooooo... EVERY destination has to be less than about 90 miles, since NO ONE
wants to see how close to that 100 mile barrier they can get... riiiight?

Where does the article say that 100 miles is the absolute maximum?

(right there, mother fucker... LOL... you'll see)

In Unum's source, or in yours?

LOL... you couldn't read the NYTimes article because of the paywall, so you
decided to use your own source!! What a fucking putz.

BUT!... I'm so glad you did, because it gave ME the opportunity to show how
lazy and unwilling you are to find out the truth, the WHOLE truth, and noting
BUT the truth.

I'm sure you scoured the Internet JUST to try to make me look like a liar, when
I was simply replying to what UNUM wrote/quoted.

LOOK at the date of the article.

Sept. 25, 2023:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/25/business/air-force-joby-electric-air-
taxi.html

Sept. 25, 2023:
"Joby, which is based in Santa Cruz, Calif., said that its electric aircraft is
substantially quieter than helicopters or planes. Each can carry one pilot and
four passengers and travel as fast as 200 miles per hour AND AS FAR AS 100
MILES, ACCORDING TO THE COMPANY."

What's the date on yours? "Unknown"

https://www.futureflight.aero/aircraft-program/joby-evtol#

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Annnnd, they didn't list the mileage until the very last paragraph. No date
means that have probably updated the mileage for the EVa.

'Capable of reaching a speed of 200 mph, it will have a range of 150
miles on a single charge.'

That's from YOUR source, which has no date, so we can NOT be sure if those
numbers are current. We CAN from Unum's source.

<https://www.futureflight.aero/aircraft-program/joby-evtol#>

NOT the source that was used by Unum, you numbskull. Did you not SEE this...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/25/business/air-force-joby-electric-air-
taxi.html

... you fucking idiot, or are you soooooo fucking obsessed with trying to make
yourself look sooooo smart, you FAIL to read what *I'M* replying to?

If you would have bothered to research a little further on YOUR source, you'd
have seen subsequent articles listed at the bottom of the page which DO have
dates, AND a mileage "update", meaning the mileage estimate figures were
probably updated in the model.

You fucking MORON:

I found this: why couldn't YOU have? Oh yeah... so obsessed with being a nerdy
little tattletale prick, you stopped researching after you found OUTDATED
data, which makes you a liar.

RANGE LIMIT REBOOT, BUT NO MISSION CHANGE

"Joby's all-electric air taxi, which has room for four passengers plus one
pilot, is DESIGNED TO FLY ON TRIPS OF UP TO 100 MILES while producing zero
emissions, and at speeds of up to 200 mph. The company will not only mass-
produce the aircraft, but it also intends to operate them for commercial air
taxi services in cities."

You lazy fuck.

https://www.futureflight.aero/news-article/2023-09-15/jobys-first-evtol-air-
taxi-factory-coming-dayton-ohio

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From UNUM'S source:

"Joby, which is based in Santa Cruz, Calif., said that its electric aircraft is
substantially quieter than helicopters or planes. Each can carry one pilot and
four passengers and travel as fast as 200 miles per hour and as far as 100
miles, according to the company."

(turns out I was right... read on)

I have a sneaking suspicion, since YOUR article is not dated and couldn't
POSSIBLY be any newer than Unum's article, that they've put the numbers BACK
through their models and "adjusted" the max miles, so... you lose again.

I wrote that BEFORE finding updated sources from the website YOU sourced.

Wait... ...I know! You're going to complain about two words: "will

Yes, WILL have. That's the rub... (see next paragraph)

'Joby Completes Flight of More Than 150 Miles with Electric Vertical
Take-Off Air Taxi'

(giggle... turns out, that is COMPLETELY wrong using OUTDATED data)

If they haven't flown it yet, moron, then it's THEORETICAL mileage. They use
MODELS to calculate distance, so when they actually DO fly the EVa, they will
get REAL world data(which is ALWAYS different... your mileage may vary???),
seeing how the wind will probably be blowing, the barometric pressure might be
higher or lower than what they used in their models. Also rain, humidity...
etc.

<https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-completes-flight-of-more-than-150-miles/>

(I know I'm being redundant, but I wrote much of this before I researched
further, and found out your numbers were hogwash)

Not the same article as what I derived MY statement from, you stupid fuck.
Unum's article is current... yours is not, but if you would have opened that
fucking closed and obsessed mind of yours, you would have seen the articles at
the bottom of your sourced website, and seen UPDATED versions.

I find it VERY flattering, that you take time out of your busy schedule, you
know... sending telepathic messages to your Russian Sports Officials and all,
but, if you're going to refute what I write, do it with the same source, else
you're simply being disingenuous, therefore, lying.

Look here...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/25/business/air-force-joby-electric-air-
taxi.html

Look there...

https://www.futureflight.aero/news-article/2023-09-15/jobys-first-evtol-air-
taxi-factory-coming-dayton-ohio

(10th paragraph down)

154.6 miles to be exact.

LOL... he said "exact". THAT'S from a model, you tick-turd. WHY can't you
moronic liberals stop believing MODELS, when they're programmed by men and
women with agendas and figures to lie about when trying to sell their
products??

Also, that mileage has been updated in subsequent articles from the website YOU
sourced.

Found at the bottom of your OUTDATED website:

https://www.futureflight.aero/news-article/2023-09-15/jobys-first-evtol-air-
taxi-factory-coming-dayton-ohio

https://i.imgur.com/bCbFVGz.png
https://i.imgur.com/ln0yZjF.png

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THIS is the source Unum used, which DOES have the updated data.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/25/business/air-force-joby-electric-air-
taxi.html

"Joby, which is based in Santa Cruz, Calif., said that its electric aircraft is
substantially quieter than helicopters or planes. Each can carry one pilot and
four passengers and travel as fast as 200 miles per hour and as far as 100
miles, according to the company."

Go back to talking about the weather, uNumbnuts. It's a little harder to make
you look stupid talking about the weather, than it is talking about future EVA
crashes, which WILL happen, and set EVaircraft back a decade.

So IC engine aircraft never crash, do they?

Whataboutism and non-Sequitur Noted: Thank You.

If YOU want to trust your life to a battery-operated flying vehicle... go
ahead... just send us video of your experiences.

IC engine aircraft never run out of fuel in flight, do they?

Non-Sequitur Noted: Thank You.

Why not hydrogen-power? I think anyone who can make a turbine run on hydrogen,
has got it made.

1. Turbines are very high maintenance whereas electric motors are not.

Thanks for the info already known by millions, if not billions. Non-Sequitur
Noted: Thank You.

2. What is the energy density of hydrogen... ...including the storage
vessel?

Non-Sequitur Noted: Thank You.

=====

Moron Ski Bunny Strikes Again - Not The Same Article, And You Should Have Kept
Onnnn Researching, You Stupid Fuck, vis-a-vis "RANGE LIMIT REBOOT"

From: AlleyCat <***@aohell.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 07:02:37 -0500

Aw... poor ski bunny... smacked so hard his gay boyfriend in San Francisco was
knocked out.

Wassa matta, ski bunny... use all that brain power mind-melding with those
Russian sports officials and unable to muster a rationalization for your fuck
up? [giggle]

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That's OPERATIONAL range which means it requires a reserve... ...which the Joby HAS: 50 miles.

NO ONE said anything about a reserve... YOU introduced that, AND you never
sourced it, as witnessed by what you posted next.

'With a range of up to 100 miles plus energy reserves and a top speed of
200 mph, the Joby aircraft is capable of transporting a pilot and four
passengers quickly and quietly with zero operating emissions.'

=====

Dude...

Dudette...

...why the hell can't you just admit you're wrong...

I wasn't. YOU were. Unum post an article from the NYTimes and I posted one more
current than yours. YOU were the was who was wrong, first, by posting an out of
date article and standing by it, when it was wrong.

...when you're wrong?

I wasn't... YOU were, and that RESERVE bullshit, is just that. NONE of the
articles said anything about reserves... YOU took it upon yourself to say that
the 150 mile range was the "up to 100 miles" plus a reserve.

Now, that I think about it, I WAS wrong, but in a good way. I said that trips
were going to have to be less than "90 miles", because of the 100 mile range.

I was only thinking of a one way trip, unless there was going to be a charging
station at the other base. But again... even IF there was going to be a return
trip charge, that STILL means that the trip needs to be less than a 100 miles
(90) because of the limited range.

If YOU want to fly on reserve... have at it. Send video.

The fact is that ranges with passengers get quoted...
...WITH APPROPRIATE RESERVES.

WHAT APPROPRIATE RESERVES?
LOL... changes his tune when PROVED wrong.

WHO said ANYTHING about a reserve? You.

All sources searched for "100 miles plus energy reserves":

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/25/business/air-force-joby-electric-air-
taxi.html
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https://www.futureflight.aero/aircraft-program/joby-evtol#
https://i.imgur.com/vy7FUNq.png


https://www.futureflight.aero/news-article/2023-09-15/jobys-first-evtol-air-
taxi-factory-coming-dayton-ohio
https://i.imgur.com/vy7FUNq.png


https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-completes-flight-of-more-than-150-miles/
https://i.imgur.com/vy7FUNq.png


You lose again!

[Alan]

Post by AlleyCat
(new material included, so read it all. I know you will, since your low self-
esteem and narcissism will force you to... LOL)
*****
Air Force Receives Its First Electric Air Taxi - Too Bad Most Bases Are Farther
Than 100 Miles Apart
On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 21:57:57 -0500, Unum says...

and as far as 100 miles

https://i.imgur.com/yXzkcH7.mp4
https://media.defense.gov/2007/Apr/17/2000790881/-1/-1/0/070417-F-ZZ000-536.JPG
Are they going to use them to go to the local titty bars?
Sooooo... EVERY destination has to be less than about 90 miles, since NO ONE
wants to see how close to that 100 mile barrier they can get... riiiight?

That's exactly the same material...

...and it's been comprehensively debunked.

Post by AlleyCat
Again, I'm all for EVs in any form, though you will NOT catch me in ANY
electric aircraft, as long as the PUBLIC taxpayer is not paying for these
PRIVATE companies to research and develop their product.
How many of US are going to be using these aircraft, yet, we're supposed to PAY
for them?
Go back to talking about the weather, uNumbnuts. It's a little harder to make
you look stupid talking about the weather, than it is talking about future EVA
crashes, which WILL happen, and set EVaircraft back a decade.
If YOU want to trust your life to a battery-operated flying vehicle... go
ahead... just send us video of your experiences.

Same.

Post by AlleyCat
=====
Busy day... hardly time to write, so there WILL be redundancy and mistakes.
But, the main focus is YOUR inability to research what YOU write.
You stop when you've found what you THINK is the only article EVER written,
that makes what UNUM said, a lie. I was quoting Unum, quoting the NY Times,
which DOES have the updated figures and data on the mileage of the EVa.
Conclusion: you failed once again to refute me, as usual.

Ummmmm... no. The NY Times reported the OPERATIONAL range of the aircraft...

...with reserves.

Post by AlleyCat
=====
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 09:57:22 -0700, Alan says...

On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 21:57:57 -0500, Unum says...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/25/business/air-force-joby-electric-air-
taxi.html
See the date? Your source has none, but articles listed at the bottom OF your
sourced site, does, and shows the mileage update. Read on, idiot.

You posted this before.

Post by AlleyCat

Sooooo... EVERY destination has to be less than about 90 miles, since NO ONE
wants to see how close to that 100 mile barrier they can get... riiiight?

Where does the article say that 100 miles is the absolute maximum?

(right there, mother fucker... LOL... you'll see)

Nope.

Post by AlleyCat
In Unum's source, or in yours?
LOL... you couldn't read the NYTimes article because of the paywall, so you
decided to use your own source!! What a fucking putz.
BUT!... I'm so glad you did, because it gave ME the opportunity to show how
lazy and unwilling you are to find out the truth, the WHOLE truth, and noting
BUT the truth.
I'm sure you scoured the Internet JUST to try to make me look like a liar, when
I was simply replying to what UNUM wrote/quoted.
LOOK at the date of the article.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/25/business/air-force-joby-electric-air-
taxi.html
"Joby, which is based in Santa Cruz, Calif., said that its electric aircraft is
substantially quieter than helicopters or planes. Each can carry one pilot and
four passengers and travel as fast as 200 miles per hour AND AS FAR AS 100
MILES, ACCORDING TO THE COMPANY."
What's the date on yours? "Unknown"

Already answered.

Post by AlleyCat
https://www.futureflight.aero/aircraft-program/joby-evtol#
https://i.imgur.com/TTWI4kP.png
Annnnd, they didn't list the mileage until the very last paragraph. No date
means that have probably updated the mileage for the EVa.

'Capable of reaching a speed of 200 mph, it will have a range of 150
miles on a single charge.'

Not outdated, as the actually made that flight happen.

Post by AlleyCat
That's from YOUR source, which has no date, so we can NOT be sure if those
numbers are current. We CAN from Unum's source.

<https://www.futureflight.aero/aircraft-program/joby-evtol#>

NOT the source that was used by Unum, you numbskull. Did you not SEE this...
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/25/business/air-force-joby-electric-air-
taxi.html
... you fucking idiot, or are you soooooo fucking obsessed with trying to make
yourself look sooooo smart, you FAIL to read what *I'M* replying to?
If you would have bothered to research a little further on YOUR source, you'd
have seen subsequent articles listed at the bottom of the page which DO have
dates, AND a mileage "update", meaning the mileage estimate figures were
probably updated in the model.
I found this: why couldn't YOU have? Oh yeah... so obsessed with being a nerdy
little tattletale prick, you stopped researching after you found OUTDATED
data, which makes you a liar.
RANGE LIMIT REBOOT, BUT NO MISSION CHANGE
"Joby's all-electric air taxi, which has room for four passengers plus one
pilot, is DESIGNED TO FLY ON TRIPS OF UP TO 100 MILES while producing zero
emissions, and at speeds of up to 200 mph. The company will not only mass-
produce the aircraft, but it also intends to operate them for commercial air
taxi services in cities."
You lazy fuck.
https://www.futureflight.aero/news-article/2023-09-15/jobys-first-evtol-air-
taxi-factory-coming-dayton-ohio
https://i.imgur.com/bCbFVGz.png
https://i.imgur.com/ln0yZjF.png
"Joby, which is based in Santa Cruz, Calif., said that its electric aircraft is
substantially quieter than helicopters or planes. Each can carry one pilot and
four passengers and travel as fast as 200 miles per hour and as far as 100
miles, according to the company."
(turns out I was right... read on)
I have a sneaking suspicion, since YOUR article is not dated and couldn't
POSSIBLY be any newer than Unum's article, that they've put the numbers BACK
through their models and "adjusted" the max miles, so... you lose again.

My article WAS dated...

...as you know.

Post by AlleyCat
I wrote that BEFORE finding updated sources from the website YOU sourced.

Wait... ...I know! You're going to complain about two words: "will

Yes, WILL have. That's the rub... (see next paragraph)

'Joby Completes Flight of More Than 150 Miles with Electric Vertical
Take-Off Air Taxi'

(giggle... turns out, that is COMPLETELY wrong using OUTDATED data)
If they haven't flown it yet, moron, then it's THEORETICAL mileage. They use
MODELS to calculate distance, so when they actually DO fly the EVa, they will
get REAL world data(which is ALWAYS different... your mileage may vary???),
seeing how the wind will probably be blowing, the barometric pressure might be
higher or lower than what they used in their models. Also rain, humidity...
etc.

They HAVE flown it. For real.

Post by AlleyCat

<https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-completes-flight-of-more-than-150-miles/>

(I know I'm being redundant, but I wrote much of this before I researched
further, and found out your numbers were hogwash)
Not the same article as what I derived MY statement from, you stupid fuck.
Unum's article is current... yours is not, but if you would have opened that
fucking closed and obsessed mind of yours, you would have seen the articles at
the bottom of your sourced website, and seen UPDATED versions.
I find it VERY flattering, that you take time out of your busy schedule, you
know... sending telepathic messages to your Russian Sports Officials and all,
but, if you're going to refute what I write, do it with the same source, else
you're simply being disingenuous, therefore, lying.

???

I'm sorry, but you've become tedious.

Your claim that 100 miles is the absolute, no-reserve range has been
thoroughly debunked.

<https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-completes-flight-of-more-than-150-miles/>

You lose...

...again.

[AlleyCat]

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 22:51:22 -0700, Alan says...

My article WAS dated... as you know.

Not the first one you posted, so, no... I do not know.

THIS was the first URL you posted:

https://www.futureflight.aero/aircraft-program/joby-evtol#

No date.

https://i.imgur.com/TTWI4kP.png

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.global-warming/c/j2q6EPOWUns/m/AUFo0sCuAQAJ

3rd line down. THAT is the first site you cited. It was out-of-date AND there
was no date on it.

https://i.imgur.com/TTWI4kP.png

The SECOND site you cited was simply out-of-date... by MORE THAN TWO YEARS.

I then smacked your fucking nose, remember?

RANGE LIMIT REBOOT - 100 miles - NO reserve in ANY of the articles cited,
mentioned.

Meaning, you made it up.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=do+electric+planes+have+reserve&ia=web

"Not many results contain reserve"

I know, in practice EVAs WILL have a reserve, but NONE of the articles cited
about the Joby aircraft, to date, had ANYTHING in them about 100 miles PLUS
reserve, so YOU don't know whether the 100 miles already INCLUDES a reserve...
do you?

LOL... get busy. I'll help.

https://www.google.com/search?q=do+electric+planes+have+a+reserve&newwindow=1
&sca_esv=570917586&source=hp&ei=SmgeZbWBA-SHptQPrcC66A4
&iflsig=AO6bgOgAAAAAZR52WqPiuoamuZ8b8cc5lWkIX3Gh_Fj3&ved=
0ahUKEwi1zs_Ws96BAxXkg4kEHS2gDu0Q4dUDCAs&uact=5
&oq=do+electric+planes+have+a+reserve&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IiFkbyBlbGVjdHJpYyBwbGF
uZXMgaGF2ZSBhIHJlc2VydmUyBRAAGKIEMgUQABiiBDIIEAAYiQUYogQyBRAAGKIESO8ZUABYhhRwAH
gAkAEAmAGdAaABgwSqAQMwLjS4AQPIAQD4AQL4AQHCAgUQIRigAQ&sclient=gws-wiz

Just show us where it says the JOBY EVA has a 100 mile range PLUS a reserve.

<https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-completes-flight-of-more-than-150-miles/>

https://images.prismic.io/joby-site/5050a6d9-37ce-41a6-a41a-5edea92bc508
_Screen+Shot+2021-07-27+at+1.31.41+AM_2240x1260.png?
auto=compress,format&fit=crop&crop=faces&rect=null&q=80&blend-color=null&blend-
mode=null&w=900&h=562.5&dpr=1

154.6 miles was NOT the value of the flight distance... that was the distance
covered in a closed-course-loop (predefined circuit). This is why they don't
list the flight distance AS 154.6.

Flying in a circle and at a low altitude, can NOT be compared to flying "out"
AND at an altitude better suited for a flight away from base.

I reiterate:

Seeing how the wind will probably be blowing in different directions over the
course of the full 100 miles, MOSTLY in a STRAIGHT LINE to destination, not
that circle bullshit[1], the barometric pressure might be higher or lower than
what they used in their models. Also rain, humidity... etc.

ALL of the weather and climate variables can come into play on a 100 mile trip
away from base, shortening the expected mileage considerably if the conditions
don't favour the EVA's flight.

[1] "predefined circuit" - LOL... they flew in circles so they wouldn't get too
far away if their modeled mileage figures were wrong. LOL

Flying around in circles in a "closed course"(predefined circuit), is NOT
"real-world". It's almost the EXACT same thing as using a model to figure out
mileage.

Flying in circles... a true test of flight worthiness..................... NOT!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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[Alan]

Post by AlleyCat
On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 22:51:22 -0700, Alan says...

My article WAS dated... as you know.

Not the first one you posted, so, no... I do not know.
https://www.futureflight.aero/aircraft-program/joby-evtol#
No date.

And this is the URL that was exactly three lines below that one:

<https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-completes-flight-of-more-than-150-miles/>

Post by AlleyCat
https://i.imgur.com/TTWI4kP.png
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.global-warming/c/j2q6EPOWUns/m/AUFo0sCuAQAJ
3rd line down. THAT is the first site you cited. It was out-of-date AND there
was no date on it.

If there's no date, then how do you know it is "out-of-date"?

Post by AlleyCat
https://i.imgur.com/TTWI4kP.png
The SECOND site you cited was simply out-of-date... by MORE THAN TWO YEARS.

But you admit it was dated.

Got it.

Post by AlleyCat
I then smacked your fucking nose, remember?

Nope.

Post by AlleyCat
RANGE LIMIT REBOOT - 100 miles - NO reserve in ANY of the articles cited,
mentioned.

There was in one I cited after that:

'With a range of up to 100 miles plus energy reserves and a top speed of
200 mph, the Joby aircraft is capable of transporting a pilot and four
passengers quickly and quietly with zero operating emissions.'

<https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-delivers-first-evtol-edwards/>

And that's dated 10 days ago.

:-)

Post by AlleyCat
Meaning, you made it up.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=do+electric+planes+have+reserve&ia=web
"Not many results contain reserve"

And "not many" means some did.

Interesting you chose not to search for "Joby"...

Post by AlleyCat
I know, in practice EVAs WILL have a reserve, but NONE of the articles cited
about the Joby aircraft, to date, had ANYTHING in them about 100 miles PLUS
reserve, so YOU don't know whether the 100 miles already INCLUDES a reserve...
do you?

Yes. Because:

1. There is an article that says it does.

2. They've already demonstrated that it can fly much farther than 100 miles.

Post by AlleyCat
LOL... get busy. I'll help.
https://www.google.com/search?q=do+electric+planes+have+a+reserve&newwindow=1
&sca_esv=570917586&source=hp&ei=SmgeZbWBA-SHptQPrcC66A4
&iflsig=AO6bgOgAAAAAZR52WqPiuoamuZ8b8cc5lWkIX3Gh_Fj3&ved=
0ahUKEwi1zs_Ws96BAxXkg4kEHS2gDu0Q4dUDCAs&uact=5
&oq=do+electric+planes+have+a+reserve&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IiFkbyBlbGVjdHJpYyBwbGF
uZXMgaGF2ZSBhIHJlc2VydmUyBRAAGKIEMgUQABiiBDIIEAAYiQUYogQyBRAAGKIESO8ZUABYhhRwAH
gAkAEAmAGdAaABgwSqAQMwLjS4AQPIAQD4AQL4AQHCAgUQIRigAQ&sclient=gws-wiz
Just show us where it says the JOBY EVA has a 100 mile range PLUS a reserve.

'With a range of up to 100 miles plus energy reserves and a top speed of
200 mph, the Joby aircraft is capable of transporting a pilot and four
passengers quickly and quietly with zero operating emissions.'

<https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-delivers-first-evtol-edwards/>

Post by AlleyCat

<https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-completes-flight-of-more-than-150-miles/>

https://images.prismic.io/joby-site/5050a6d9-37ce-41a6-a41a-5edea92bc508
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auto=compress,format&fit=crop&crop=faces&rect=null&q=80&blend-color=null&blend-
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154.6 miles was NOT the value of the flight distance... that was the distance
covered in a closed-course-loop (predefined circuit). This is why they don't
list the flight distance AS 154.6.

It was the value of the flight distance.

Post by AlleyCat
Flying in a circle and at a low altitude, can NOT be compared to flying "out"
AND at an altitude better suited for a flight away from base.

Do you think there is some magical property about flying a closed course
that makes the range greater?

Post by AlleyCat
Seeing how the wind will probably be blowing in different directions over the
course of the full 100 miles, MOSTLY in a STRAIGHT LINE to destination, not
that circle bullshit[1], the barometric pressure might be higher or lower than
what they used in their models. Also rain, humidity... etc.
ALL of the weather and climate variables can come into play on a 100 mile trip
away from base, shortening the expected mileage considerably if the conditions
don't favour the EVA's flight.

But we know that it can fly 150 miles, so why would 100 be a problem?

Post by AlleyCat
[1] "predefined circuit" - LOL... they flew in circles so they wouldn't get too
far away if their modeled mileage figures were wrong. LOL

So? That's what you do when you're testing.

It doesn't change the fact that it did fly for 154.6 miles.

Post by AlleyCat
Flying around in circles in a "closed course"(predefined circuit), is NOT
"real-world". It's almost the EXACT same thing as using a model to figure out
mileage.
Flying in circles... a true test of flight worthiness..................... NOT!

Yes, it really is.

But the bottom line is that you're trying to claim that because they
stated it can carry 4 passengers and a pilot for 100 miles, then that
must mean the absolute range without reserves...

...and that was bullshit from the moment you said it:

'Santa Cruz and Edwards Air Force Base, CA, Sep 25, 2023

With a range of up to 100 miles plus energy reserves and a top speed of
200 mph, the Joby aircraft is capable of transporting a pilot and four
passengers quickly and quietly with zero operating emissions.'

<https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-delivers-first-evtol-edwards/>



'Santa Cruz, CA, Jul 27, 2021 — Joby Aero Inc. (“Joby”), a
California-based company developing an all-electric air taxi for
commercial passenger service, today announced it had achieved an
important milestone in the development of its aircraft, flying a
full-size prototype vehicle more than 150 miles on a single charge,
including a vertical take-off and landing.'

https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-completes-flight-of-more-than-150-miles/


And don't worry, I'll keep rubbing your nose in the mess you've made,
Pussey:

'Oct 4 2023

Today, Joby confirmed it has completed multiple eVTOL test flights in
California with a pilot onboard, with the video footage to back it up.
See for yourself below.'

<https://electrek.co/2023/10/04/joby-aviation-initiates-first-evtol-test-flights-with-a-pilot-onboard-video/>


'January 23, 2022

Joby Aviation has continued expanding the envelope on its S4 electric
air taxi prototypes, and on Friday the California company registered
what it believes is the fastest eVTOL test flight in history, hitting a
true airspeed of 205 mph (330 km/h).

That comfortably surpasses the company's promise of 200-mph (322-km/h)
top speeds, and it's unclear whether there's more speed to be found as
testing continues.'

<https://newatlas.com/aircraft/joby-evtol-speed-flight-test/?itm_source=newatlas&itm_medium=article-body>